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Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by Nobody: 12:02am On Feb 14, 2015 |
...F A C T.. C H E C K ... 'Obasanjo and Atiku in 8 years built one UNIVERSITY each for themselves....Bells and ABTI. They none for Nigerians. Jonathan and Sambo in 4 years built 14 (FOURTEEN) new universities for all Nigerians. None for themselves. NOTE: OBJ and ATIKU are now consultants/ sponsors/piloters/members of APC.... They too are seeking CHANGE!!! I choose TRANSFORMATION than this their CHANGE. What about you? 21 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by Bmbolaji: 12:04am On Feb 14, 2015 |
The rate at which people compares projects without proper knowledge of the projects is getting unbearable. You should have consulted construction experts as well as Transport Management Technologists before putting up this post. Can you explain why a plot of land at Lekki costs much more than that of a plot at oshodi? Can you explain why the cost of erecting a 3-bedroom flat at VI is higher than that of erecting same building with same features at Ajegule? Of course there a several things to be considered including but not limited to cost of labour, soil condition ( damp, dry, firm or loose) terrain (smooth or hilly ), estate value of land, cost of operation, project duration, type and cost of material to be used mode of operation and lots more... Construction experts can explain better. NOTE: The above is not to support or attack any party so QUOTE ME NOT FOR I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT.... 1 Like |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by mrrock: 12:05am On Feb 14, 2015 |
APC is a satanic party. Just look around you and ask yourself; where do they get money to run the massive advertisements going on all over the country?. 1. Remember, Buhari said he have only N1 million in his bank account and that he borrowed N27 million from bank to obtain presidency election form. Yet, Buhari's wife recently donated N137 million to an organization in Adamawa. 2. APC said they have no money and was going to sell some yams to raise campaign money. But, over the last 6 months alone APC have spent over $30 billion on election campaigns. This party is so corrupt that they even hacked into INEC database to steal information to rig elections. A party where you can forge documents to win election and it wouldn't matter. APC is the worst thing to happen to Nigeria lately. 7 Likes |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by blaise26abj(m): 12:09am On Feb 14, 2015 |
Matthewbriggs: Point of correction- The abuja -Kaduna railway is 1.7 billion dollars. It was reviewed upwards from 870 million dollars. And i can tell you authoritatively the kind of fraud being carried out on that project. 1 Like |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by aresa: 12:09am On Feb 14, 2015 |
chronique: Please explain to us exactly how much it rally should cost to construct the metro rail and while you are at it, please give us the exact amount it const to buy land, adjudicate court cases, cost of labor and material, cost of rail cars, cost of over head bridges, cost of metro stations, cost of rail bridge over the lagoon, cost of IPPs to run the system, cost to construct a 26 klm 10 lane free way (= 10 x 26 klm = 260 klm) ...I'll stop here for now... Thanks in advance. .. Your friend can help you with the answer too... |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by mandax: 12:11am On Feb 14, 2015 |
barcanista: You merely lolled!! What? A Buhari who must have enrolled into Nigeria army without requisite qualification; a Buhari who must have known that Nigeria Army was not having his WASC which ought to qualify him to contest the election, yet he went ahead and made false declaration under oath that Nigeria Army Secretariat was with his certificate. So what is the genuineness in Buhari that makes some of you go for him? Just because you hate something about Goodluck Jonathan? |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by thev0ice1: 12:11am On Feb 14, 2015 |
agabaI23: agabaI23, i don't argue on emotions. You're jumping on a report that says N150B. I posted Thisday newspaper link that says N75B while rivers state govt release says the project is to cost $318M (N51B @ N160/$ then). http://governor.riversstate.gov.ng/programs/the-rivers-monorail/ Which do you think we should believe? Yours? When you ascertain the true cost, we can talk of fraud. I've already condemned it as waste. My uncle bought a land and built a 15 bedroom house in our village with money that was just enough for me to buy 2 plots of land in PH. how do you compare the 2? Stop comparing Lagos rail with Kaduna-Abuja rail....They are 2 different projects. If i wanted to toe your path, i would immediately scream that the FG project was a fraud because it contained no vehicles when the Ethiopian project has 41 vehicles already delivered. get the facts of the projects, then we can talk of fraud Edited: I just stumbled on the link below which puts the cost of the Kaduna-Abuja project at $850M @ 2011 costing. That will be N136B (@N160/$) http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/sunday/index.php/feature/3072-wholl-move-abuja-kaduna-electric-railway-project-from-dreamland-to-reality Do you see the discrepancy in your figures? you and Mathew briggs only calculated the fund from china ($500M) forgetting there's counterpart funding from Nigeria ($350M) |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by mandax: 12:16am On Feb 14, 2015 |
mrrock: Since February 2013, infrastructural development in nearly all APC states have ground to a near halt. State allocations and IGR have been channeled to APC secretariat to generate false propaganda against one man: Goodluck Jonathan. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by tit(f): 12:18am On Feb 14, 2015 |
this apc aparachits are saying lagos rail line is within built-up area. Is Abuja - Kaduna line in the bush? Did this rail line not pass through densely built up areas of Kaduna and Abuja at teminals? Tinubu is chopping our money. His lastma lackeys are defending him then apc retards are liking their posts! 4 Likes |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by SirShymexx: 12:23am On Feb 14, 2015 |
The OP is a classic example of a deceitful illiterate sycophantic pseud. Rather than pose an honest question about why all the rail projects in Nigeria are over-inflated - and call out everyone for corruption. He decided to use a deceitful premise to chastise the others, all in trying to sound vacuously "intelligent". Thus looking like a m0ron in the process. I just checked the background of the Abuja-Kaduna rail project - and it's basically a modernisation of existing rail, by replacing the gauge system. Reference: The railway modernisation initiative in Nigeria aims at replacing the existing narrow gauge system with the wider standard gauge system, while allowing high-speed train operations on the railway network. The $8.3bn contract for the Lagos-Kano standard gauge modernisation project awarded to CCECC in 2006 marked the beginning of the initiative. http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/abuja-kaduna-rail-line/ So, the question is: why should the mere replacement of gauge system be that expensive? At least, both Lagos and Rivers are building new rail tracks in cosmopolitan cities, where loads of compensations would have to be paid - with very difficult logistics. Compared to something that's already there, in need of modernisation. And that's your premise for comparative analysis? - laughable. Where are the real Nigerian youths, not these illiterate crumb-munching sycophants? They're all rogues! 4 Likes |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by okeamuboy: 12:25am On Feb 14, 2015 |
tit:Abeg, okay just Pls use your senses. 1 Like
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Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by spinna: 12:25am On Feb 14, 2015 |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by agabaI23(m): 12:25am On Feb 14, 2015 |
thev0ice1:Lets stick with the Rivers website figure. It is still not pardonable. I know if it were against GEJ, you would have believed the vanguard figure. Fair to you, you called it wastage. People who waste resource ran away from PDP when GEJ insisted we have to be prudent in spending. They camped in APC where every expenditure is over invoiced 1. 1km road at N1.2B 2. Electricity over 15000% global cost per mw 3. Rail, only Buhari knows the wastage there. Waiting for him to start strangling Tinubu, Amaechi before telling us he is out to fight corruption. ![]() |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by thev0ice1: 12:26am On Feb 14, 2015 |
SirShymexx: agabaI23, Did you see the above? What's your take? |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by thaoriginator: 12:29am On Feb 14, 2015 |
I smell TANoids ![]() |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by thev0ice1: 12:33am On Feb 14, 2015 |
agabaI23: ![]() ![]() ![]() So GEJ is the prudent person? someone whose regime increased subsidy cost he met at N300B to N1.3T is your example of a prudent person? Someone who met reserves of $62B and depleted it to $36B in 3 years despite selling oil above $100/barrel for the same period? pls don't put GEJ and prudence in the same sentence. my friend my friend....i understand. You're just anxious to have anything to nail buhari's people. ![]() Meanwhile, How do you explain the discrepancy in the figure you were bandying about before and the true figure i just posted? Also, any comment on SirShymexx post showing GEJ is only doing a modification of a 2006 rail project at N136B? 1 Like |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by agabaI23(m): 12:37am On Feb 14, 2015 |
Kai ! You kwatch me thev0ice1:Abuja-Kaduna is entirely new. Remember, Abuja was almost none-existent when the rail were laid. Shi Hongbing, managing director of the Nigerian office of China Civil Engineering Construction Corporation (CCECC), an offshoot of CRCC, said the company would take part in the running and management of the train in the future.http://transformationwatch.com/2014/12/02/unprecedented-abuja-kaduna-standard-gauge-railway-completed/ 2 Likes |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by thaoriginator: 12:37am On Feb 14, 2015 |
teemanbastos:Chop knuckle guy, *throws blow* |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by eyinjuege: 12:37am On Feb 14, 2015 |
'Valid points are being raised by the OP. Why can't we see that and discuss along that line without insulting others or even trying to score cheap political points. We all need to demand for transparent and accountable governments regardless of political affiliations. Maybe when the oyel dries up and we start paying taxes through our noses before we start demanding wise spending of all revenues. All politicians bleeding Nigeria dry since forever. 1 Like |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by SirShymexx: 12:38am On Feb 14, 2015 |
This is from the Chinese website (just mere modernisation): The railway modernization project in Nigeria spans 1,315 km from Lagos in the south to Kano in the north. The total contract is worth US$8.3 billion. The Abuja-Kaduna railway, a section of the Lagos-Kano Railway, stretches 186.5 km with nine stations in addition to the two terminals. Construction of the project started on Feb. 19 of last year. The maximum speed of this section is 150 kph. ^^^What the OP cited is just a phase of the modernisation of existing gauge. Why is it even that expensive? |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by tron23(m): 12:40am On Feb 14, 2015 |
profjustine458: You just said it all, just to add, For 8yrs neither obj nor ibb could give us an effective or ineffective railway system, Gej has just done it. Obj wasted billions on power reform with nothing to show for it. People need to read and stop wasting time listening to Apc propaganda. |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by agabaI23(m): 12:44am On Feb 14, 2015 |
thev0ice1:Did we complete any rail project in 2006? OBJ started the modernisation of Lagos-Kano rail. When Yar Adua came, he suspended the contract siting irregularities in the award. he also abandoned the NIPP. When Jona took over, he vowed to do his best with all abandoned project, about 12000 of them. He chose the most pertinent ones. Remember, only a section of the Lagos-kano line was awarded by OBJ. The remaining part was redesigned and awarded by GEJ. Abuja -Kaduna is entirely new sir. ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by agabaI23(m): 12:47am On Feb 14, 2015 |
@ theV0ice You mentioned bill of quantity and I wanted to suggest that we could invoke the FOI to get it from the Lagos state government when I remembered they have refused to domesticate it. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by Safari29: 12:50am On Feb 14, 2015 |
EmekaBlue: bigoted tribalistic Oloshi |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by thev0ice1: 12:52am On Feb 14, 2015 |
agabaI23: The contractor would have it. They'll keep copies as reference for future projects If you can interprete it, i'm sure you can get from them. ![]() |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by mandax: 12:57am On Feb 14, 2015 |
agabaI23: In bold. it is on record: late President Yar'Adua terminated nearly all projects of OBJ, then fell sick and never recovered. GEJ started afresh when he became president. Don't mind the APC mega pieces. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by agabaI23(m): 1:00am On Feb 14, 2015 |
thev0ice1:Why go to a private company when the government can give me... Chai, there is God ooo GEJ for Visible change 4 Likes |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by thev0ice1: 1:01am On Feb 14, 2015 |
agabaI23: http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/abuja-kaduna-rail-line/ Nigeria's Standard Gauge Railway Modernisation Projects The railway modernisation initiative in Nigeria aims at replacing the existing narrow gauge system with the wider standard gauge system, while allowing high-speed train operations on the railway network. The $8.3bn contract for the Lagos-Kano standard gauge modernisation project awarded to CCECC in 2006 marked the beginning of the initiative. The project, however, couldn't be implemented due to funding problems. It was later re-scoped into different stand-alone segments and the existing 1,124km narrow gauge Lagos-Kano line was rehabilitated. Abuja-Kaduna is the first segment to be implemented as part of Lagos-Kano standard gauge project. My friend, it's not new. They are modernizing and expanding. The land Abuja occupies today didn't drop from the sky yesterday. The rail tracks had already passed through the jungle where abuja is located today. It's those same rail lines that are being modernized. Granted they'll change a lot of things, but it'll be DECEITFUL to claim it is a NEW project Related project See the lagos pix, It's an entirely new project
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Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by agabaI23(m): 1:01am On Feb 14, 2015 |
mandax:Thanks bro. They know the truth. My friend theV0ice in particular. But.... |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by thev0ice1: 1:02am On Feb 14, 2015 |
agabaI23: ![]() ![]() so when Yar'adua terminated OBJ contracts (we don't know if railway was part), did he ask them to uproot all the work they'd already done too? |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by thev0ice1: 1:04am On Feb 14, 2015 |
agabaI23: Abuja had always existed since God created the world. It's its status as FCT that is new. The rail tracks passed through Abuja even if it was only a jungle then |
Re: Why Are APC Railway Projects So Expensive? by SirShymexx: 1:05am On Feb 14, 2015 |
Missy89, Can you see ya yahoozee naij folks...the scam artists. That shiit is innate ![]() I saw the thread and decided to check the background story, and do a quick research on the Ethiopian one (I got love to Ethiopia, man). Only to discover the fraud. Apparently, the rail was already there...and all they needed to do is track laying for standard modern gauge line. And these folks built that with billions. Then you've got Port Harcourt with 4km monorail gulping over 100 billion - ditto Lagos. These folks are rogues! |
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