WHAT IS STEALING?
Criminal Code Act, Chapter 77, Laws of the Federation
of Nigeria 1990

Chapter 34

Stealing

383. (1) A person who fraudulently takes anything
capable of being stolen, or fraudulently converts to his
own use or to the use of any other person anything
capable of being stolen, is said to steal that thing.

(6) A person shall not be deemed to take a thing unless
he moves the thing or causes it to move.

390. Any person who steals anything capable of being
stolen is guilty of a felony, and is liable, if no other
punishment is provided, to imprisonment for three
years.


WHAT IS CORRUPTION?

Nigeria Criminal Code Act, Chapter 77, Laws of the
Federation of Nigeria 1990

Chapter 12
Corruption and Abuse of Office

98. (1) Any public official (as defined in section 98D)
who-

(a) corruptly asks for, receives or obtains any property
or benefit of any kind for himself or any other person;
or bribes, etc.,

(b) corruptly agrees or attempts to receive or obtain
any property or benefit of any kind for himself or any
other person, on account of-

(i) anything already, done or omitted, or any favour or
disfavour already shown to any person, by himself in
the discharge of his official duties or in relation to any
matter connected with the functions, affairs or
business of a Government department, public body or
other organisation or institution in which he is serving
as a public official, or

(ii) anything to be afterwards done or omitted, or any
favour or disfavour to be afterwards shown to any
person, by himself in the discharge of his official duties
or in relation to any such matter as aforesaid, is guilty
of the felony of official corruption and is liable to
imprisonment for seven years

98A. (1) Any person who- Official corruption: person
giving bribes, etc., on account of actions of public
Official.

(a) corruptly gives, confers or procures any property or
benefit of any kind to, on or for a public official (as
defined in section 98D) or to, on or for any other
person; or 1966 No. 84.

(b) corruptly promises or offers to give or confer or to
procure or attempt to procure any property or benefit
of any kind to, on or for a public official or to, on or ’ÃO any other person,

98B. (1) Any person who--
(a) corruptly asks for, receives or obtains 'any property
or benefit of any kind for himself or any other person;
or

(b) corruptly agrees or attempts to receive or obtain
any property or benefit of any kind for himself or any
other person, on account of-............................is guilty of
the felony of official corruption and is liable to
imprisonment for seven years.

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GEJ was right after all

And before you say why differentiate...Remember he never said either of them is a good thing

All the educated illiterates from APC that litter this forum insulting my capable president when he said stealing is not corruption should hide their face in shame and if they have any dignity left they should tender their unreserved apology to this man and carry on with their lives

The constution is clear on this stealing is not corruption but worse than corruption.And by the doctrine of judical precedence stealing is not corruption because justice mustspha whom jonathan quoted has ruled that stealing is not corruption

awodman:
GEJ was right after all

We all know the difference, it's just that we talk out of sentiment and mischievous some times.

booked

darksuit:
booked

make i join you

useless APC fanatics

Seun, Lalasticalala, Obinoscopy, Ngwakwe, OAM4J. You guys should do the needful and move this to frontpage.

You guys are really trying so hard to muddle the water. Stealing and corruption are punishable under the our constitution so close to six years that he have been the president, what has he done about stealing talk less of corruption? Is he a judge? Jonathan desecrate the office of the president by differentiating two wrongs. Is that the reason he was elected? We are definitely sending him back Otuoke

It's a really big shame how some PDP supporters stoop so low to defend the indefensible clueless Jonathan. This "stealing is not corruption" issue is something that is supposed to be understood by a 4-year old yet some grown-ups come here to spew rubbish.

Jonathan in his speech that day said the following:

Speaking about corruption, he stressed that a country where everyone talks about corruption cannot work together to change the perception. He differentiated corruption from stealing, adding that Nigerians mixed them up.

He said that most of the cases where corruption issue is being raised are COMMON STEALING . He added that corruption is being overused.

What did Jonathan mean by "Common Stealing"?? What is being stolen? Who is stealing? Those are questions sane people should be asking. Therefore if Jonathan asserted that the cases in his government were "mere stealing" not corruption, it is safe to say that he meant that Public Officers were "stealing money" but were not indulging in "corruption"? Right?

This is a simple question that a four year old (who hasn't sold her brains to PDP) can answer....What do you term the stealing of funds by a Public Officer?? It's CORRUPTION!!

Highlights from Wikipedia

One of the Methods of Corruption include:

Embezzlement, theft and fraud [edit]
Embezzlement and theft involve someone with access to funds or assets illegally taking control of them. Fraud involves using deception to convince the owner of funds or assets to give them up to an unauthorized party.

Examples include the misdirection of company funds into "shadow companies" (and then into the pockets of corrupt employees), the skimming of foreign aid money, scams and other corrupt activity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption#Embezzlement.2C_theft_and_fraud

[size=18pt] SO JONATHAN AND PDP SUPPORTERS, WHAT ARE YOU ALL TRYING TO DEFEND HERE?? [/size]

awodman:
GEJ was right after all

Compare the 98(1) "any [b][/b]public official" with 98B , which says "any person".
The punishment specified for each is also different. (Or were you just pulling our legs?)

Gliding:


Compare the 98(1) "any [b][/b]public official" with 98B , which says "any person".
The punishment specified for each is also different. (Or were you just pulling our legs?)

This is a point many of them refuse to understand. We know the ordinary meaning of corruption, but in the criminal code it focuses on 'public officials'. So the argument as to whether Stella Oduah etc were involved in stealing or corruption is hardly one that is likely to amuse the public, especially when there seems to be no repercussions for either stealing or corruption under Jonathan. Neither is a commendable thing.

#change
#GMB
#APC

luvmijeje:
You guys are really trying so hard to muddle the water. Stealing and corruption are punishable under the our constitution so close to six years that he have been the president, what has he done about stealing talk less of corruption? Is he a judge? Jonathan desecrate the office of the president by differentiating two wrongs. Is that the reason he was elected? We are definitely sending him back Otuoke

Sorry dear, the topic has always been GEJ said "stealing is not corruption" pls you are the one attempting to muddle it up now by changing the main issue.

Tnx.



Op, God bless you for educating me!

luvmijeje:
You guys are really trying so hard to muddle the water. Stealing and corruption are punishable under the our constitution so close to six years that he have been the president, what has he done about stealing talk less of corruption? Is he a judge? Jonathan desecrate the office of the president by differentiating two wrongs. Is that the reason he was elected? We are definitely sending him back Otuoke

Luvmijeje...mwahhhhhhh...
Ur a darling...

Sai buhari

Haters go to hell

luvmijeje:
You guys are really trying so hard to muddle the water. Stealing and corruption are punishable under the our constitution so close to six years that he have been the president, what has he done about stealing talk less of corruption? Is he a judge? Jonathan desecrate the office of the president by differentiating two wrongs. Is that the reason he was elected? We are definitely sending him back Otuoke

As a logical analyst he only differentiated them so their meanings become clearer, he never justified any. What's the problem there?

luvmijeje:
You guys are really trying so hard to muddle the water. Stealing and corruption are punishable under the our constitution so close to six years that he have been the president, what has he done about stealing talk less of corruption? Is he a judge? Jonathan desecrate the office of the president by differentiating two wrongs. Is that the reason he was elected? We are definitely sending him back Otuoke

Did GEJ ever said either of them is good? Or that None should be punished under the law?

Nigeria's judiciary system is a joke...no dem be dey laugh GEJ....

ride on presido..
stealing is not corruption

awodman:
GEJ was right after all

Keep up the academic arguments.

The good thing about all this is that ordinary Nigerians - the real Nigerians out there on the street who don't have time to waste on the internet - are tired of these lectures on the difference between corruption and stealing. These Nigerians - the 'real' Nigerians - are not happy. They wanted action, not English lessons. But your principal didn't deliver.

No one can say how the events of the next few weeks will play out. But it isn't looking good for your principal at all. He had a golden chance to write his name in the history books and he threw it away.

A lesson for all of us. Carpe Diem. Carpe Diem...You are not promised tomorrow...

GEJ is right

If these thieving politicians are tried as thieves not corrupt people there will be no plea bargain or elongated court cases..

After Nigerians would be shouting that a boy that stole some Yam was sentenced to 3 years whereas the politician that stole millions is branded corrupt and allowed a plea bargain and 3 months house arrest

VolvoS60:


Keep up the academic arguments.

The good thing about all this is that ordinary Nigerians - the real Nigerians out there on the street who don't have time to waste on the internet - are tired of these lectures on the 'distinction' between corruption and stealing. These Nigerians - the 'real' Nigerians - are not happy. They wanted action, not English lessons. But your principal didn't deliver.

No one can say how the events of the next few weeks will play out. But it isn't looking good for your principal at all. He had a golden chance to write his name in the history books and he threw it away.

A lesson for all of us. Carpe Diem. Carpe Diem...You are not promised tomorrow...

At the end of the day it's not what your ordinary Nigerian thinks that matters but what the laws says. The laws says that while both are condemnable and punishable they aren't the same. Like I said previously he didn't justify any, he never asked that we engage in any but that we need to know what both means.

That your ordinary Nigerian is the one selling expired goods in the market. He's the one tampering with fuel dispensing meters to make extra but illegal gain. He's the one who refuse to go to work but show up at the month end to collect salary he didn't earn. He's the one busting pipelines, vandalizing electrical installations and committing all sorts of stealing and corrupt acts isn't he?

What if this your ordinary Nigerian start by reforming himself?

APContherun:

At the end of the day it's not what your ordinary Nigerian thinks that matters but what the laws says. The laws says that while both are condemnable and punishable they aren't the same. Like I said previously he didn't justify any, he never asked that we engage in any but that we need to know what both means.

That your ordinary Nigerian is the one selling expired goods in the market. He's the one tampering with fuel dispensing meters to make extra but illegal gain. He's the one who refuse to go to work but show up at the month end to collect salary he didn't earn. He's the one busting pipelines, vandalizing electrical installations and committing all sorts of stealing and corrupt acts isn't he?

What if this your ordinary Nigerian start by reforming himself?

^^^^
Nigerians want action, not speeches. There is no need for me to give examples where your principal failed to enforce the law. They are legion. The only thing left is for Nigerians to show their displeasure with this failure to deliver. We shall see in a few weeks time, if all goes well.

This lengthy debate on the difference between corruption and stealing is a brazen diversion from the key issues that could only be possible in a place like Nigeria. Your principal cannot successfully prosecute economic saboteurs(remember the fuel 'subsidy'?) but he gives regular lectures on syntax, lexis and structure as well as antonyms and synonyms for the words 'corruption' and 'stealing'. . And you are brazen enough to try to sell this farce as some kind of rare insight or a Nigerian version of deft statesmanship.

Time will tell. It is up to Nigerians - the same Nigerians whom you so clearly despise for their shortcomings - to give their verdict on your principal's performance. March isn't far away...

MrIncrediible:
It's a really big shame how some PDP supporters stoop so low to defend the indefensible clueless Jonathan. This "stealing is not corruption" issue is something that is supposed to be understood by a 4-year old yet some grown-ups come here to spew rubbish.

Jonathan in his speech that day said the following:


What did Jonathan mean by "Common Stealing"?? What is being stolen? Who is stealing? Those are questions sane people should be asking. Therefore if Jonathan asserted that the cases in his government were "mere stealing" not corruption, it is safe to say that he meant that Public Officers were "stealing money" but were not indulging in "corruption"? Right?

This is a simple question that a four year old (who hasn't sold her brains to PDP) can answer....What do you term the stealing of funds by a Public Officer?? It's CORRUPTION!!

Highlights from Wikipedia

One of the Methods of Corruption include:
[color=#990000]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption#Embezzlement.2C_theft_and_fraud

[size=18pt] SO JONATHAN AND PDP SUPPORTERS, WHAT ARE YOU ALL TRYING TO DEFEND HERE?? [/size]

Is it Jonathan that drafted the Nigerian Criminal Code?

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Its still Gej till may 29th 2019

^^^
When should your ban expire, 2099 or 2091?

awodman:


Is it Jonathan that drafted the Nigerian Criminal Code?

I'm talking about the exact words of Jonathan the day he goofed with that statement and you're talking about some Criminal code??

What is the aim of corruption in office??


Its to illegally acquire positions, opportunities, money, property etc that doesn't belong to that individual.

That is still stealing. Taking what doesn't belong to you illegally.

GEJ is not intelligent and he's making intelligent people daft by their supporting him.

ba7man:
What is the aim of corruption in office??


Its to illegally acquire positions, opportunities, money, property etc that doesn't belong to that individual.

That is still stealing. Taking what doesn't belong to you illegally.
.

You are right but the issue here is that the process of convicting a corrupt person is much more difficult than to convict a thief.
GEJ is saying if you have evidence that these politicians stole money charge them to court as thieves not beautifying them as corrupt to complicate the court process.
Corruption as the criminal code define is a systematic issue and to gather enough exhibit to proof beyond all reasonable fact is so technical that is why brilliant lawyers exploit the complicity to walk out with their clients.

To charge them as a thief is an individual issue which can relatively be easier to prove

ITbomb:

You are right but the issue here is that the process of convicting a corrupt person is much more difficult than to convict a thief.
GEJ is saying if you have evidence that these politicians stole money charge them to court as thieves not beautifying them as corrupt to complicate the court process.
Corruption as the criminal code define is a systematic issue and to gather enough exhibit to proof beyond all reasonable fact is so technical that is why brilliant lawyers exploit the complicity to walk out with their clients.

To charge them as a thief is an individual issue which can relatively be easier to proof

GEJ doesn't even try........

What you have quoted in the OP proves that stealing is an act of corruption. So, clueless Jonathan was wrong for trying to completely separate them. Simple as that!

Ithee:
make i join you

oya