for some time now this thought has kept reoccurring to me... what and where is hell? ,the way the holy Bible portray it leaves chills in one's spine. I was watching a documentary about the sun recently... which had in details the massive size, the estimated temperature of its core and surface e.t.c. Then the thought hit me.... what if the SUN is actually HELL FIRE?
This is something we should take our time to ponder upon and if it happens to be that the sun is not hell, then hell will definitely be far hotter than the sun. May GOD GIVE US THE GRACE TO WALK THE PATH OF SALVATION.

Then its not hot enough... .
The sun is just a star and an.average one for that matter.

Their are billions of stars that are millions of times hotter and bigger than the sun.

to me sha, I've come to discover the plates below the earth crust are pretty hot too, even in liquid form with traces of sulphur and all that.
*if the sun is hell, then it won't smite witches by day because 'demons can't cast out demons '
*if the sun is hell, then it should have pits, darkest sections *if the sun was hell, then it won't be the largest star, a representation of God's glory

What a hell of a place it would be.

God please help me to make heaven *(Sigh)* its not easy o. God please perfect my imperfections.

johnydon22:
Then its not hot enough... .
The sun is just a star and an.average one for that matter.

Their are billions of stars that are millions of times hotter and bigger than the sun.

That's absolute true!
But how did all this came into existence?

Momcherry:
What a hell of a place it would be.

God please help me to make heaven *(Sigh)* its not easy o. God please perfect my imperfections.

The Sun is not the biggest nor the hottest.
Their are uncountable Star bigger and Hotter than the sun million times.

whytepawn1:
for some time now this thought has kept reoccurring to me... what and where is hell? ,the way the holy Bible portray it leaves chills in one's spine. I was watching a documentary about the sun recently... which had in details the massive size, the estimated temperature of its core and surface e.t.c. Then the thought hit me.... what if the SUN is actually HELL FIRE?
This is something we should take our time to ponder upon and if it happens to be that the sun is not hell, then hell will definitely be far hotter than the sun. May GOD GIVE US THE GRACE TO WALK THE PATH OF SALVATION.

The bible describes hell as sulphurous and never ending,the sun is powered by hydrogen,it burns it to make helium but never gets it to anything higher so no,the sun is not hell.
I once thought of the same thing when I was a christian.

Macelliot:

That's absolute true!
But how did all this came into existence?

A star is born due to gravitational collapse of a gaseous nebula comprising mainly of hydrogen, helium and traces of other heavy elements.

Am still wondering why people still subject themselves to this mental fear of the scare of something as abstract as hell...... chai myths scare these folks alot

johnydon22:


A star is born due to gravitational collapse of a gaseous nebula comprising mainly of hydrogen, helium and traces of other heavy elements.

Note: I'm a scientist.
How did this elements came about without any supernatural force?

Macelliot:

Note: I'm a scientist.
How did this elements came about without any supernatural force?

Hahahahahaha you are a scientist?

and you think supernatural forces brought about this elements.
lwkmd... now thats very funny, I doubt if you even know what science is all about.

ok first of all tell me what branch science are you into?

Hell is eternal, stars are not. Therefore, the sun is not hell.

johnydon22:


Hahahahahaha you are a scientist?

and you think supernatural forces brought about this elements.
lwkmd... now thats very funny, I doubt if you even know what science is all about.

ok first of all tell me what branch science are you into?

Civil Engineering to be specific.

Macelliot:

Civil Engineering to be specific.

Civil engineering!!!
No wonder...

lolzzz ...

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hehehhehehehhehe(fallls from bunkbed and still keeps laughing, pauses and looks at thread topic again, which sparks off another bowel-ignition of undefined laughter) hahahahhaha hehehhehe huhuhu


(rubs hurting packs and calms down. Refuses to look @ topic to avoid kickstarting another round of.....)

oh My oh my!!!

(wipes hands with napkin)

johnydon22:


Hahahahahaha you are a scientist?

and you think supernatural forces brought about this elements.
lwkmd... now thats very funny, I doubt if you even know what science is all about.

ok first of all tell me what branch science are you into?

Meanwhile can you please enlighten us on the origin of the elements? Or can't you? PS I'm not a natural scientist.

johnydon22:


Civil engineering!!!
No wonder...

lolzzz ...

Not yet a Civil Engr. by profession, I'm a student, but am aspiring to be.
Do you know anything about the pyramid of Egypt? Modern Scientist are amazed on how such structure could be built with today Technologies. Lifting, Settings, and arrangement of the huge Stones in order. So amazing. Pyramid of Egypt is among the wonders of the Earth. Scientist finds it hard to explain how the stones can be lifted and placed in order with today's technology....
Learn more about the Pyramid of Egypt and its' biblical reference.

Macelliot:

Not yet a Civil Engr. by profession, I'm a student, but am aspiring to be.
Do you know anything about the pyramid of Egypt? Modern Scientist are amazed on how such structure could be built with today Technologies. Lifting, Settings, and arrangement of the huge Stones in order. So amazing. Pyramid of Egypt is among the wonders of the Earth. Scientist finds it hard to explain how the stones can be lifted and placed in order with today's technology....
Learn more about the Pyramid of Egypt and its' biblical reference.

If you kept up to date you'd know that the difficulty is because many competing theories give account of how the pyramids were built....
Either way it is a non-sequitur,the same scientists(archeologists) that are amazed about Egyptian structures also agree hebrews(jews specifically) were never slaves in Egypt.

davien:
If you kept up to date you'd know that the difficulty is because many competing theories give account of how the pyramids were built....
Either way it is a non-sequitur,the same scientists(archeologists) that are amazed about Egyptian structures also agree hebrews(jews specifically) were never slaves in Egypt.

Who are the Jews? The Jewish tales came into existence after King Solomon's reign.
The Jews were never slaves, Jews never existed then, but the Israelites during the (either) third or fourth dynasty.

Macelliot:

Who are the Jews? The Jewish tales came into existence after King Solomon's reign.
The Jews were never slaves, Jews never existed then, but the Israelites during the (either) third or fourth dynasty.

So how then do you fix the disconnect between the bible and history?

davien:
So how then do you fix the disconnect between the bible and history?

If the Israelites were never slaves, then Moses never existed.

Macelliot:

If the Israelites were never slaves, then Moses never existed.

And if moses never existed then wasn't the bible wrong about it?

Macelliot:

Not yet a Civil Engr. by profession, I'm a student, but am aspiring to be.
Do you know anything about the pyramid of Egypt? Modern Scientist are amazed on how such structure could be built with today Technologies. Lifting, Settings, and arrangement of the huge Stones in order. So amazing. Pyramid of Egypt is among the wonders of the Earth. Scientist finds it hard to explain how the stones can be lifted and placed in order with today's technology....
Learn more about the Pyramid of Egypt and its' biblical reference.

Oh yes i know too well about the pyramid of egypt...
So whats ur point...

And whats the relationship between the bible and the pyramids of egypt..
The bible is still a modern text compared to the era of the pyramids and the Egyptian book of the dead (amun ra) let me not say much lets see exactly where you are heading to... oya So whats ur point?

Papist:

Meanwhile can you please enlighten us on the origin of the elements? Or can't you? PS I'm not a natural scientist.

Oh i am not a scientist too..
We have guys now outside earth, living in space stations putting their lives on the line to unravel the mystery about the origin of things..

One already have been proposed, and its still under going more study and scrutinization.

I recommend you study the big bang theory.

(i.e: I do not claim to know the origin of the universe or how anything came to be and neither do you. We opened our eyes after the universe not before it... So we can only strive to know what we dont through careful study and scrutinization of available datas.)

Macelliot:

If the Israelites were never slaves, then Moses never existed.

How come their are no Egyptians texts that mentioned moses, or the Israelites ever being enslaved in Egypt.

Here is what wikipedia encyclopedia says..

The Exodus (from Greek ἔξοδος exodos , "going out" is the founding
myth
of Israel; its message is that the Israelites were delivered from slavery by
Yahweh and therefore belong to him through the Mosaic covenant . [1] It
tells of the enslavement of the Israelites in Egypt following the death of
Joseph , their departure under the leadership of Moses , the revelations at
Sinai, and their wanderings in the wilderness up to the borders of Canaan.
[2]
The archeological evidence does not support the story told in the Book of
Exodus [3] and most archaeologists have abandoned the investigation of
Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit". [4] The opinion of the
overwhelming majority of modern biblical scholars is that the Pentateuch
was shaped into its final form in the post-Exilic period , [5] although the
traditions behind it are older and can be traced in the writings of the 8th
century BCE prophets.

davien:
And if moses never existed then wasn't the bible wrong about it?

If Moses never existed, then Israel, the Jews, the Torah, Books of Moses, e.t.c never existed.

johnydon22:


How come their are no Egyptians texts that mentioned moses, or the Israelites ever being enslaved in Egypt.

Here is what wikipedia encyclopedia says..

The Exodus (from Greek ἔξοδος exodos , "going out" is the founding
myth
of Israel; its message is that the Israelites were delivered from slavery by
Yahweh and therefore belong to him through the Mosaic covenant . [1] It
tells of the enslavement of the Israelites in Egypt following the death of
Joseph , their departure under the leadership of Moses , the revelations at
Sinai, and their wanderings in the wilderness up to the borders of Canaan.
[2]
The archeological evidence does not support the story told in the Book of
Exodus [3] and most archaeologists have abandoned the investigation of
Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit". [4] The opinion of the
overwhelming majority of modern biblical scholars is that the Pentateuch
was shaped into its final form in the post-Exilic period , [5] although the
traditions behind it are older and can be traced in the writings of the 8th
century BCE prophets.

How come their are no Egyptians texts that mentioned moses, or the Israelites ever being enslaved in Egypt.

That's their own. Findings and Research still continues.
Are there any Egyptian texts refering to any mass exodus of slaves from Egypt?? The Seven Years Famine.?

Macelliot:

How come their are no Egyptians texts that mentioned moses, or the Israelites ever being enslaved in Egypt.

That's their own. Findings and Research still continues.
Are there any Egyptian texts refering to any mass exodus of slaves from Egypt?? The Seven Years Famine.?

can you show us... ...
....
Isreal is just another canaanite civilization that emerged within

Macelliot:

If Moses never existed, then Israel, the Jews, the Torah, Books of Moses, e.t.c never existed.

Lolzz and you dont even have any idea who wrote the torah

According to the wikipedia encyclopedia

[b] The Book of Exodus is not historical narrative in any modern sense. [11]
Modern history writing requires the critical evaluation of sources, and does
not accept God as a cause of events. [12] But in Exodus, everything is
presented as the work of God, who appears frequently in person, and the
historical setting is only very hazily sketched. [13] The purpose of the book
is not to record what really happened, but to reflect the historical
experience of the exile community in Babylon and later Jerusalem, facing
foreign captivity and the need to come to terms with their understanding of
God. [14]
Although mythical elements are not so prominent in Exodus as in Genesis ,
the echoes of ancient legends are crucial to understanding the book's
origins and purpose: for example, the story of the infant Moses's salvation
from the Nile has its basis in an earlier legend of king Sargon, while the
story of the parting of the Red Sea trades on Mesopotamian creation
mythology. Similarly, the Covenant Code (the law code in Exodus 20:22–
23:33) has notable similarities in both content and structure with the Laws
of Hammurabi . These influences serve to reinforce the conclusion that the
Book of Exodus originated in the exiled Jewish community of 6th-century
Babylon, but not all the sources are Mesopotamian: the story of Moses's
flight to Midian following the murder of the Egyptian overseer may draw on
the Egyptian Story of Sinuhe . [/b]

johnydon22:
Am still wondering why people still subject themselves to this mental fear of the scare of something as abstract as hell...... chai myths scare these folks alot

Is called guilty conscience.
They are in hell already, mental torture is worst than the physical one.

Barbarism!!! of a foolish christain. U now blasphem against the only sources of light and energy to our planet and by extention, life, let us all look toward the east from whence alone cometh light. The sun is the source of energy and the sustainer of life. and God is light and light is from the east, every man every woman is a star, there for let us all strive to become the light of God and by extention the sun's (son's) of God, i am one with light, i am one with God, i am one with the sun, where i'm there is no darkness, notin gross, notin carnal, notin material shall stand before the sun, they shall varnish as darkness does before the light (sun) u fill ur mind with an imagery being(yesus) now u blasphem against the sun (son) of God. Repent from ur BARbarism....!!!!!!

johnydon22:


Oh i am not a scientist too..
We have guys now outside earth, living in space stations putting their lives on the line to unravel the mystery about the origin of things..

One already have been proposed, and its still under going more study and scrutinization.

I recommend you study the big bang theory.

(i.e: I do not claim to know the origin of the universe or how anything came to be and neither do you. We opened our eyes after the universe not before it... So we can only strive to know what we dont through careful study and scrutinization of available datas.)

Thanks for the honest reply. I asked because you seemed to ridicule those who believe in creation so I thought you knew better. Anyway apologies if I had misunderstood you.