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Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 11:05pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
Emperor4God: ok read my post again... people are naturally wicked, WTF is wrong with all these guys... which planet did you all come from ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Image123(m): 11:14pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
Acekidc4: Morality cannot be independent of God. Morality has to have absolutes. An independence of God means the loss of absolutes. We cannot afford to do just what we feel is good, because our feelings are different. There has to be a moral law giver, else in some cultures, it is good and okay to kill twins whilst in some other culture it is not okay. All humans are bad and a product of a fallen race. We are like files in a corrupt folder in a computer. No matter how useful or big or relevant the file is, it is still in a corrupt folder. It is corrupt. It needs an external help in the form of an up to date antivirus. We all need God to be good. Our good deeds do not make us good, they simply remain good deeds This is why the Bible calls our righteousness filthy rags, they are inadequate. so to be brief; Morality comes from God, not from feeling. God in conjunction with you should guide your thinking about how to act. These guide mine. i am moral because of God mostly. There is no wrong in being moral because of the promise of Reward or the threat of Punishment. People have different motivations for doing things and God makes ample room for that. He provides rewards and threats too, you choose which motivates you better. Good parents and good governments also do likewise. There should be reward and there should be punishment. Being good for nothing should not be promoted or publicized or exalted above other reasons, without reason. 2 Likes |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 11:19pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
Image123: @bolded...look at the type of poo someone is talking... Seriously i just find it very hard and infuriating to reply this type of post anymore... The worst now is if you ask him how all humans are bad he will start telling you the Jewish mythical fables of adam and eve with the talking snake.. **Sighs** 1 Like |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Image123(m): 11:20pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
johnydon22:You somehow manage to forget to answer my questions. Here they are. -How do you arrive at these conclusions? -Why do you want or encourage me to be good for GOODNESS'sake? - Is it okay for me to be good for God's sake? |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by allanphash7(m): 11:24pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
Sure you can be good Without God Do u beleive in KARMA. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 11:29pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
Image123:Seriously i wonder how you still manage to ask such questions after all the replies you have gotten so far.. So believing in a deity is an automatic ticket to being good right? Because boko haram, isis believe in allah they are automatically good right? because the christian crusaders believed in yahweh they are automatically good... hmmm now thats a shallow criteria for being good... I have told you before our intellect directs our thinking and our empathy directs our action... Only ur good deeds can make you good and only ur bad deeds can make you bad. Image123:Just because of the bolded and thats all. Image123:Oh being good for any abstract ideas is your own cup of tea.. Being good because it is right to be good is the essence of goodness. 1 Like |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by olatos4jesus: 11:31pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
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Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by kay29000(m): 11:39pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
Acekidc4: Yea, you definitely can be good without God...Think of Bill Gates , Warren Buffet, Kay29000 and all the good they have done in this world. They are all atheist, but morally upright people. Amongst my friends, I am the only Atheist, but I am the one that people from outside looking in see as the "good guy"amongst them. Most people have this orientation that if you don't believe in God, you have to be an evil person or a worshiper of the Devil. But that is far from the truth. I don't believe in Heaven or Hell...God or The Devil. But I do believe I am responsible for all my actions, and this is the moral compas I live by. Why do I do Good even without religion? Cos doing good feels good, and also I know the laws that Govern this Universe. One of those Laws is...The Law of Cause and Effect- Nothing happens by chance...For evry action, there is an equal and opposite reaction...I.E You reap what you sow. Knowing all these...Why would I need a pastor to tell me to do good? Why would I need religion to threathen me with hell before I do good? 1 Like |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by jmoore(m): 11:47pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
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Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by FrenchyL(m): 11:48pm On Feb 17, 2015 |
Very interesting write up. My answer to that is NO! This is simply because the natural man was born with the Adamic nature which is already corrupt before birth. You need to understand that man is a spirit, he has a soul and he lives in a body. The word of God says: that the heart of man is desperately wicked"; this simply means that anyman without a recreated human spirit, which gives him the nature of God, is a ticking time bomb. It is not about how good that person appears to be rather it is in his nature. I believe things from the biblical perspective which is the Truth of God's word. We can go on and on about this but no man can be good without God. Finally, it is not just a God thing but a Jesus Christ thing because until one accepts him as Lord and Savior, life is simply empty and very meaningless. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by freecocoa(f): 12:03am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Like the ones who claim to believe in God are good? Please. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by katme: 12:11am On Feb 18, 2015 |
FrenchyL: Go live for a year in Japan bro... 2 Likes |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by cold(m): 12:15am On Feb 18, 2015 |
FrenchyL:Which god are you referring to as an embodiment of good? I hope it's not the Yahweh deity? 1 Like
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Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 12:20am On Feb 18, 2015 |
jmoore:Exactly morality is basically a human convention born out of empathy and regard for others... Oh when it comes to the issue of unbinding, it is unbinding and whatever we do is basically our responsibility. But in our the human society we still have laws governing each society, So our deeds must be in full coincide with our intellect, empathy and the collective good of the society. jmoore:Morality is not distinctively christian neither is it muslim or hindhu, morality is human, it belongs to no ism and does not depend for foundation upon any book or creed or supernatural cus morality itself is a foundation. . . Human morality is born out of empathy and obligation to the collective good of the society. . . Being good does not need or have to be imposed, you agree with me that whatever is imposed is not born out of pure will, Goodness should be born out of pure will and this will is driven by our empathy, contrasting our feelings to that of others. jmoore:Oh our intellect makes us so special.. look around you and try to compare what you see to other animal societies. jmoore:Oh their is none after you are dead but their certainly is here on earth... Try committing murder now or raping and see what i mean from your prison cell jmoore:If you are moral because of the promise of heaven, you are only good for your own gain and that is selfishness, how is that morality. If you are good because you fear hell, you are only good because you want to escape punishment and save ur own skin, that is selfishness. @bolded is the mistake you all make, trying to make man out to be evil by nature and that is pure lie played by religion to bring man to his knees. You are quick to point out the evil in man but not the good. [b]No man is born evil and none is born good, but we all have instincts for both good and evil, it is the choices we make in our deeds in contrast to these instincts that determines if we are good or not |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by mustymatic(m): 12:20am On Feb 18, 2015 |
You can't be anything without God... nuff said |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Man2utd(m): 12:28am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Morality has to do with your values, If you look at the state of our nation today and those in the elms of affair, you don't need to search for long to know that knowing God is not a criteria for doing good or bad. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by cold(m): 12:29am On Feb 18, 2015 |
katme:They'll never get it. Africans especially Nigerians are so esconced in their religious cocoon they can't even see the wood for the trees. It's a sorry state of affairs 2 Likes |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Adiwana: 12:38am On Feb 18, 2015 |
johnydon22:Dude,if you understand eternal damnation,then you will see that you'll do everytin possible to escape it and God is not a concept.In the bible,once you sin,you will suffer for it.even if you are going to heaven the next minute,you will suffer for it. I believe you are an atheist,so gonna clear things up 1)the bible tells us that when we bring our gift b4 the altar,we should go and make peace with others then come back and present the gift.when you pray to God,he forgives you but requires you to go back and obtain forgiveness from the offended. 2)Every christain preaches about heaven&hell.Christ gave us that responsibility.for eg you know that when you read,you got a first class.will you advise others not to read cos you want to be the only one with a first class?i dont understand your bases for argument here |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by dulux07(m): 12:43am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Nice thread. The truth z u can b a good person without God, but not a righteous person, because dere is difference between being good n righteous, righteous is doing tins d right way irrespective of d outcome, directly or indirectly the outcome is always good.NOTE, not all good tins or good deeds are right, for instance, i may teach my friend during exam, yez its a good tin i want to help my friend to pass, but its not d right tin, likewise wen we lie inorder to save our friends, we r only being good but its wrong.most religion preach abt being a good person, n yh some of them exhibit good character wch makes them a good person. So all righteous pple r good, but not all good pple r righteous.b4 U can b a righteous person u need GOD |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 12:46am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Adiwana:Eternal damnation! hahahahaha that is fear speaking you know, When you scare yourself to death with things as abstract as heaven and hell that is mental enslavement. . . God is not a concept then how come different people and cultures have different concept of god.. their are more than 100, 000 gods worshipped by humans, but dont worry yours is the right one ![]() Adiwana:Nice one... good to know your bible supports my assertions now start practising it.. . ![]() Adiwana: I dont really think you understand all you read in my post shaaa |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Adiwana: 12:54am On Feb 18, 2015 |
The problem of the world is not religion as some people think.in the book of Corinthains,we Christains were warned not to make people sin especially sin against religion.if everybody lives in harmony but practices his own faith,then am cool with that.the problem of the world right now is ''Hate'' .when theres hate,people wouldnt live in harmony&thats why the love that should b/w a man&woman is between same Sexes. For many who do not know,the system is all about bringing in the N.W.O.its a program that helps fine tune the mind of people into believing in aliens,evolution,Equality b/w sexes,Freedom of speech,promotion of emorality thereby leaving out God.thats why someone sleeps with his own sibling,animal,shoots&kills children,sleeps with his own sex and many more&sees it as NORMAL THING.people die anyhow&many Make mockery of it,see virginity as a curse and so many more.could continue |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by GreatMan5: 12:55am On Feb 18, 2015 |
It is impossible to be Good without God: if you remove 'God' from 'Good' you end up with zero; that's nothing! 1 Like |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Adiwana: 1:06am On Feb 18, 2015 |
[quote author=johnydon22 post=30833989] Eternal damnation! hahahahaha that is fear speaking you know. You can laugh,which i believe you are free to but the thing wey dey sweet me be say,na OYO wen it comes Why i no go fear?you ever put your finger for fire?then imagine being in a furnace.anyway no need of going farther cos na to waste my time.. Heard about blood moon?saw it?i personaly saw it&it was written in the so called ''book of fairytales'' about its ocurence..heard abt cashless policy?understand the reason behind it?heard about one world govt?know what it is?know that when it will comes it effect,you cant resist it.ever asked yourself why Terrorism is gaining more momentum despite being outguned&outnumbered by the govt. Of the world? Sorry i went off the discussion,just trying to tell you why i should be scared to my pants |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by IAMGEJ(m): 1:07am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Nobody: 1:13am On Feb 18, 2015 |
johnydon22: They are souls who were involved in building railways during slavery. You can understand why they still remain slaves. They weren't born free. They must be slaves to something. Even if you freed them from Christianity,they will find something else to be enslaved to. 2 Likes |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Mars88(m): 1:16am On Feb 18, 2015 |
No |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Nobody: 1:16am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Again the Christians fail with answering convincingly. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by redsun(m): 1:20am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Religious people are taught to do good like toddlers. They are taught everything,even how to have sex as adults. Good is something you do when you have common sense. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by OLUJOSHINS(m): 1:20am On Feb 18, 2015 |
God is the only reason for the good things that happen to Us. We don't pray for some of these good things that happen so We might be misled into believing that they did not come from God. But the fact is He knows our needs even before we mention them. He attends to some of them without Us asking (some like: sleeping & waking up well, good function of our body parts, protection from the plans if the enemy & many more). But He also decides to leave some till we pray to Him about them. I believe He does this to teach Us of His infinite power |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Adiwana: 1:22am On Feb 18, 2015 |
kay29000:a lil question for you 1)why do you need the law even though you know all the ''possible vices'' 2)why school rules®ulations even though you know coming to class after the teaher is a big offence 3).why do you need office regulations even though you know you are suppsoe to be in office before 8am. See,with all this,we all know what is good and bad.but the bible is also there and pastors and religious leaders to help us..the reason you cant be good without God is same reason a student goes to school even with all the text books he has.why dont he stay at home and read it?many you think are good are Wolves in sheep clothing.just as america appears to be helping Ukraine by sending Weapons to them but know that Russia will extraminate them thus leading to Ukraine depending on them for survival..open you eyes bro |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by komia: 2:41am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Who cheated you that God exist ?? |
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