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Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Folksyharry(m): 7:33am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Hiswordxray: May God bless you for this post |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by oglad4: 7:33am On Feb 18, 2015 |
I know of Tai Solarin who was a good man without God. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by donbenie(m): 7:37am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Image123:You're prattling,if you don't have anything intelligent to say,quite repeating cra.p.. 1 Like |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by j4sure(m): 7:52am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Ok |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by kay29000(m): 8:10am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Adiwana: No...You open your eyes. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Folksyharry(m): 8:11am On Feb 18, 2015 |
johnydon22: Since we are talking about good deeds I believe if you read the Bible very well you will discover that it teaches doing good deeds without expecting reward i.e just for the sake of goodness(the account of the "good" Samaritan is a popular example). The major reason I believe a reward is attached by God for doing good deeds to others is to make those people that don't want to do good deeds to cultivate the habit of doing good deeds(but good deeds alone will not get you to heaven but it will help add to your record) every human has the capacity to do good and evil but various factors and experience tend to affect what we do(and the evil prevails more) but God through the Bible helps us to guide our actions towards doing good. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by bobkezel(m): 8:11am On Feb 18, 2015 |
johnydon22: now this is wisdom. 1 Like |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Acekidc4(m): 8:16am On Feb 18, 2015 |
timmyblast: U re really Mistaken my Frnd!! That your Mathematics is a Bluff!! |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Acekidc4(m): 8:22am On Feb 18, 2015 |
wisdompraise: You know what, that your Put God aside and you will find that nobody will be Moral is the Biggest of the biggest Lie I ve ever heard before!! On dat Statement of yours, go make a research Pls. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by wisdompraise(m): 8:23am On Feb 18, 2015 |
johnydon22: Brother we only have God and gods, there is nothing like "Gods" And remember am talking about God the creator of the universe and not gods or Gods as you said. Or do you want to tell me that the world created itself? |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Folksyharry(m): 8:30am On Feb 18, 2015 |
asala1: have you read Matthew 25:31-46? Christ made it clear there that if you do good to the people in need you are doing to him also. what that means is that you cannot be justified by God if you claim to be a Christian but do not do good to people. read also James 1:22-27, Galatians 6:9-10 |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Folksyharry(m): 8:41am On Feb 18, 2015 |
sukkot: I have commented thrice on this topic before I saw your post. if I had seen it I would have left the thread to read another one because you explained the point a lot of people are missing. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Misogynist2014(m): 8:47am On Feb 18, 2015 |
This is a very tricky question, i must say, being a good atheist Has its limit, about a week ago, an atheist killed 3 muslims in USA, I'm sure he wouldn't have done that if he were a Christian. He might have been a good man, but he had no moral guidance, he had no one to input the constructive fear in him. Christianity is not by force, its a thing of choice, its not ISIS, even Christ knew doubting Thomas will abound in the last days. Yes you can be self righteous but without a source of moral guidance, you may backslide, everyone needs a source of constructive fear in them to succeed. Christ is beyond myth. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 8:52am On Feb 18, 2015 |
wisdompraise: That is what you think, that word God is a distinction all these ideas share its exclusive to neither and dont give me the capital G thingie.. So now tell me which of them is the creator of the universe... cus Allah, Yahweh, Osiris, zeus, mithras all make such claims... |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by lele007: 8:55am On Feb 18, 2015 |
what will it profit a man to b the goodest guy in the world and yet lose his soul? |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by UjSizzle(f): 8:55am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Now to my questions Nairalanders. (1) Where does Morality come from?Let's start with a definition: Morality 1. conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct. 2. moral quality or character. 3. virtue in sexual matters; chastity. 4. a doctrine or system of morals. 5. moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance. So where does morality come from? Based on the definitions, taking note of the emboldened, I'd say one's inherent principles, the law and doctrinal teachings. It's impossible to eliminate one and consider morality the sole product of a deity. (2) What guides your thinking about how to act?Personally, it's a combination of everything listed in (1) above. I can't say Christianity hasn't played a part in forming my moral compass, nor can it be said that the laws of the land (constitution) has not been 'intricately' carved out from religion among other things or isn't a yardstick to measure how one must act. Likewise the concept of right and wrong changes over time. At one time killing one's enemy by one's own sword was considered okay; today, jungle justice isn't consoled. Before a man is persecuted, he has a right to fair hearing before a court . Basically today it is morally wrong to kill another man outside the confines of the law. (Something else to consider is the concept of free will). (3) Do you choose to act Morally mostly because of the promise of Reward or the threat of Punishment- from GOD or from some other Authority. Do you agree contrary to what some believe, living your life ethically is even more important if you are an Atheist, since if you do something Morally Reprehensible there is no God to forgive you, and the only value your life has is the Choices you make?Not sure. When something has been ingrained into your psyche, I strongly doubt your initial thought process before defending your values is what deity or aspect of the law you're about to contravene or uphold. When something is a part of your reality, it just is. If one must go through the motions everytime one has to make a decision, then such a person is still in the molding phase. And a person in a journey to self-identity can hardly be called morally upright (yet). We can try to be 'good' based on existing standards, or we can choose to be 'bad' based on same standards. One can only be called morally upright 'based on existing standards ' at a time, when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony. My two kobo. 1 Like |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by tevinsolt: 8:58am On Feb 18, 2015 |
johnydon22:we still haven't define what good represents. when Nazi were killing of Jews, it was good for them. from where you're coming from morality is subjective, everyone makes up what is right and good for them or their society. like I said history is a great source I see no way such mundane thing like exams can be reconciled to the concept of goodness but yet i will answer. . . study is of no wide scope, everyone on their own and it is unfair to contrast this to the concept of good.those were examples rebutting the idea that being moral for the sake of not wanting to go to hell is selfish, the bible says the Fear of God who can destroy the body and cast the soul in to hell is the beginning of wisdom, the bible says perfect love casts out fear. meaning fear cautions, diligence brings understanding. Like i have told someone before any action that is being induced on you by fear or any other factor is not born out pure will, True goodness stems from pure will, goodness should not be dependent on any fear of punishment cus if it those it means without that concept of punishment they will be no goodness.how are you so sure we have free will? from a materialistic point of view, we are a product of evolution, our mind is a higher evolved apes mind, and it's all we got. we dance to the tune of our biological make up. If you take the feelings of others and collective good of the society into consideration then you will be good towards all because you know it is right to be good.wouldn't this be another way of wording love your neighbor as yourself? and don't you wish everyone sees it that way. Sadly in all of human history it has not been so A look at human history will also inform you that humans have been good and bad to each other. . . None of us are born good or evil but we all have the instinct of good or evil, so we are all capable of great good and great evil it is the choices we make in our deeds that determines of it is right or wrong.you and I know the latter was ans still is the most prevalent, Nigeria is a nice big example. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Nobody: 8:59am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Immanuel Kant opined that :Good is God and God is good.. After the fall of Man, we lost some divine attributes embedded in the likeness of God.. We didn't lose the image of God.. We lost attributes like the spiritual likeness of God.. Every man is born with morality.. When you do good, you know.. When you commit evil, you also know.. Self righteousness and morality are filthy rags before God. You can be good to an extent without God, its more like building your own tower of babel to reach God.. Morality withChrist righteousness is ultimate goodness. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 9:00am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Misogynist2014:Lol So christians dont kill, my brother i wonder which planet you are in. If we start counting the day to day crimes committed by Christians, just here in Nigeria nairaland will be filled up.... the killings and robbing, seriously you can do better. Christ is beyond myth as much as Hercules, Perseus are beyond myth my friend. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by frank317: 9:00am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Image123: No my Muslim friend is not perfect. Do you know of any perfect christian? What has perfection got to do with this? |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by dalaman: 9:03am On Feb 18, 2015 |
tevinsolt: Can you show me any value or moral system that wasn't created by man? Please show me one moral system that was created by God alone and not by man. Show me a moral system that was created by God alone without man in the picture. How does God make human life meaningful? Demonstrate that claim please. How is life meaningless without God. And which God by the way. Is the life of the christian more meaningful than that of the Hindu? Can you show that to be true? What about the life of the atheist? Is the life of a muslim better than that of an atheist? Can you demonstrate that to be true? How does God makes people's lives meaningful here on earth? Show me one moral system that God alone created, tell me why God created it and when he created it alone without human input. 1 Like |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Gboskee(m): 9:06am On Feb 18, 2015 |
They question i asked the mad man claiming to be a philosopher is that ALLAH created you for a purpose to serve him. He brought you here to test the best among you. He bring life and cause death. He is one and only. How can you be good without him? dont forget he gave you eyes, hands mouth and even tongue to taste?? Go get a life! |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by dalaman: 9:07am On Feb 18, 2015 |
wisdompraise: Many people are moral without God. Many are immoral because of God. ISIS is presently beheading people and spreading their terror because of God. Before them Christians did worse all in the name of God. God doesn't make people moral or good. Its a great fallacy. 3 Likes |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by 989900: 9:08am On Feb 18, 2015 |
If only all religious people where good people, the world would have been a better place 1000 times over! P.S. Now goodness, godliness, and religiousness are 3 different things. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 9:11am On Feb 18, 2015 |
tevinsolt:If you had read my post well you have seen where i stated Morality is a product of empathy, by taking the feelings of others into consideration in your deeds Nazi killing jews was certainly against empathy so how can it be moral in a universal scope? The ancient isrealites wiping entire cities, countries is not moral either and according to them yahweh told them to. tevinsolt: I think none needs being said more on this.. i think my point was clear enough tevinsolt:Now did you miss the part were i mentioned intellect? and am sure i never mentioned free will here i said Pure Will please dont change my words. tevinsolt:Call it whatever you deem fit.. you employ it or not is your choice tevinsolt:Nigeria is a nice big example of a religiously saturated society even with all the psychological fear and control utilized by religion, is still this... thanks for bringing that up. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Nobody: 9:11am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Us true christains is the HOLY SpIRIT,he is real,he was sent to us from christ,to guide us in all dat we do or come across ONLY wen we accept him,being good is not enough,u nid d holy spirit as ur companion to make all whole and divine Acekidc4:what makes |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by Nobody: 9:12am On Feb 18, 2015 |
Acekidc4: If u believed in the story of Kane and Abel. You would have come to know morality comes from God |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 9:14am On Feb 18, 2015 |
dalaman: Nice one bro dont be surprised when he turns it upside down |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 9:16am On Feb 18, 2015 |
danjumakolo: The story of cain and abel is still a human constructed fabricated story.. Originally a kenite fable adopted by the jews ... So humans do it all, fabricate and form stories to fit any idea they concieve |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by FrenchyL(m): 9:16am On Feb 18, 2015 |
johnydon22: I cannot speak for them or about what they believe. What is worthy of remembrance are the words of Jesus, when he said " I am The Way, The Truth and the Life", No man comes to the Father except by me" ( John 14:6) Jesus was very definite about who he was and still is. |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 9:18am On Feb 18, 2015 |
ikechizoba:so what about muslims, hundhus, pegans and atheists and other folks that gat nothing to do with christianity and thereby have nothing to do with this your holy spirit... are they not good too? |
Re: Can You Be Good Without GOD?? by johnydon22(m): 9:21am On Feb 18, 2015 |
FrenchyL: The ancient Egyptian deity Horus also made such claims thousands of years before Jesus! |
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