Coming from a Java background, I was lured into a new scala developer role which I took in November. So far I've been loving it. I wish I had played a bit more with it in the past.

So I'm wondering, what's the feeling towards scala here?
What do you like/dislike about scala?

No...

It doesn't put money in people's pockets...

GodMode am curious how did you come about this fact, no developer would utter such words, you do know you can work remotely from here abroad incase you are thinking only about the local confines of Nigeria. they are other languages apart PHP out there which earn money.

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pcguru1:
GodMode am curious how did you come about this fact, no developer would utter such words, you do know you can work remotely from here abroad incase you are thinking only about the local confines of Nigeria. they are other languages apart PHP out there which earn money.

U call CMS made with php crap....

I work from home in Nigeria... No language can earn coders as much as Java, php, Js and html/css in Nigeria.

Those are the languages to learn no matter what part of the world the programmer lives...

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GodMode:
No...
It doesn't put money in people's pockets...

GodMode:
No...
It doesn't put money in people's pockets...

You can do everything you can do with php. At the moment I'm working on a web application with it. You should look up "Play! Framework". If your motivation for learning a language is simply how much you can make, then this is even more reason to adopt scala as there aren't a lot of scala developers so you can make some dough from supporting the website..

robby1:


You can do everything you can do with php. At the moment I'm working on a web application with it. You should look up "Play! Framework". If your motivation for learning a language is simply how much you can make, then this is even more reason to adopt scala as there aren't a lot of scala developers so you can make some dough from supporting the website..

Word

pcguru1:


No i didn't call PHP CMSs crap i only called WordPress Crap i use a PHP CMS for my site and i also contribute codes to them, its only WordPress architecture i have a problem, besides no language is crap in the real sense.

You use impressPages(PHP CMS) for your site. Php is the same anywhere... There's nothing wrong with wordpress.

robby1:


You can do everything you can do with php. At the moment I'm working on a web application with it. You should look up "Play! Framework". If your motivation for learning a language is simply how much you can make, then this is even more reason to adopt scala as there aren't a lot of scala developers so you can make some dough from supporting the website..

the amount of scala programmers does not matter... I don't know a thing about scala but what I know is that the language doesn't have the market that those languages have.

Its about the market and what people are interested in buying

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GodMode:


the amount of scala programmers does not matter... I don't know a thing about scala but what I know is that the language doesn't have the market that those languages have.

Its about the market and what people are interested in buying

that's because your knowledge of the market is limited, walk into any Enterprise organization in Nigeria and find out what they use most are either java/.NET either ASP.NET MVC or (Spring/Structs/Grails/Magnolia) the list is long, Oracle,NHibernate,Hibernate PHP is just used for their front public sites. maybe till when PHP can handle async processes is it even possible to create Thread in PHP ?

pcguru1:


Nope i don't anymore i use Processwire, PHP is the same but Code Architecture is not, try your hands on SymfonyCMS and CiiMS or even Yii you know those languages/platform are matured, but wordPress is terrible for developers but good for users no doubt there are bad java codes too but with PHP it allows a bad developer easily write bad codes. I left ImpressPages community because it was too small i still contribute to them sometimes however processwire makes much more sense for a developer but it still has some things missing. Wordpress is just bad news whoever thought of allowing developers to add hooks and actions anyway must have been high or something its had to debug codes or even trace the hook.

ImpressPages is easily because you know the Events are only called in a file, Processwire at least you those Hooks comes from the Module itself and not just anywhere. i don't bash languages for no reason i do when i find faults. I can write a book on how bad wordpress is, had fights with so many Wordpress devs abroad because of the way they code.

That's your opinion...

I mean the site in your signature uses impressPages..

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GodMode:


That's your opinion...

I mean the site in your signature uses impressPages.

Not anymore i migrated them to Processwire.

pcguru1:


that's because your knowledge of the market is limited, walk into any Enterprise organization in Nigeria and find out what they use most are either java/.NET either ASP.NET MVC or (Spring/Structs/Grails/Magnolia) the list is long, Oracle,NHibernate,Hibernate PHP is just used for their front public sites. maybe till when PHP can handle async processes is it even possible to create Thread in PHP ?

You can create threads in php...

What organisations

Konga uses magento(PHP)..

That's your opinion of the "market you know"...

The "market I know" has nothing to do with organisations..

pcguru1:
lol sorry guys gotta go, work just arrived. GodMode try your hands on Processwire trust me you won't regret it..................................assuming you are a OOP Software Developer with love for Design patterns. trust me you won't regret. besides Impresspages is quite limited I wrote a whole tutorial for them http://okeowoaderemi.com/articles/posts/creating-impresspages-themes/

I focus on only wordpress.. I don't bother myself about other CMS.

Wordpress is object oriented.

sorry op just realized i caused us to stray from the main topic

GodMode:

the amount of scala programmers does not matter... I don't know a thing about scala but what I know is that the language doesn't have the market that those languages have.
Its about the market and what people are interested in buying

Well, people don't pay for programming languages. You get paid for what you can deliver with your knowledge. If you are talking about getting jobs in Scala, then I'll agree that it might be a bit challenging. But be rest assured, if a company wants to hire you to program in Scala, they'll be willing to pay a lot.
On the other hand, if the client is specifying a language for me to build a freelance project, I'll be worried cos it would seem to me that they want to give it to someone else to support so I wont be able to get support and maintenance fees.

pcguru1:

GodMode am curious how did you come about this fact, no developer would utter such words, you do know you can work remotely from here abroad incase you are thinking only about the local confines of Nigeria. they are other languages apart PHP out there which earn money.

GodMode:

U call CMS made with php crap....
I work from home in Nigeria... No language can earn coders as much as Java, php, Js and html/css in Nigeria.
Those are the languages to learn no matter what part of the world the programmer lives...

Also, maybe I should also mention that though there are libraries that will make it easier to do so with Scala if you so wish Scala doesn't require you to relearn html, css and javascript. Scala is just the back end bit for your server side code.
i.e.
PHP -> HTML -> CSS -> JavaScript
Scala -> HTML -> CSS -> JavaScript

So, really, it's up to one to learn what they think will benefit them the most, but if I may say, you will maintain relevance in the market and gain a reputation if you stay ahead of the curve by moving away from saturation. Scala is one language that will help you achieve this.

pcguru1:

that's because your knowledge of the market is limited, walk into any Enterprise organization in Nigeria and find out what they use most are either java/.NET either ASP.NET MVC or (Spring/Structs/Grails/Magnolia) the list is long, Oracle,NHibernate,Hibernate PHP is just used for their front public sites. maybe till when PHP can handle async processes is it even possible to create Thread in PHP ?

That's right. Scala has been called Java on steroids. It's both functional and object oriented and it runs on the jvm. It's getting very popular in enterprise because of its functional nature and the fact that you can write less code to do more...

robby1:


Well, people don't pay for programming languages. You get paid for what you can deliver with your knowledge. If you are talking about getting jobs in Scala, then I'll agree that it might be a bit challenging. But be rest assured, if a company wants to hire you to program in Scala, they'll be willing to pay a lot.
On the other hand, if the client is specifying a language for me to build a freelance project, I'll be worried cos it would seem to me that they want to give it to someone else to support so I wont be able to get support and maintenance fees.


Also, maybe I should also mention that though there are libraries that will make it easier to do so with Scala if you so wish Scala doesn't require you to relearn html, css and javascript. Scala is just the back end bit for your server side code.
i.e.
PHP -> HTML -> CSS -> JavaScript
Scala -> HTML -> CSS -> JavaScript

So, really, it's up to one to learn what they think will benefit them the most, but if I may say, you will maintain relevance in the market and gain a reputation if you stay ahead of the curve by moving away from saturation. Scala is one language that will help you achieve this.




That's right. Scala has been called Java on steroids. It's both functional and object oriented and it runs on the jvm. It's getting very popular in enterprise because of its functional nature and the fact that you can write less code to do more...

That's your opinion...

You know what you want and I know what I want.

I know of php programmers that earn at least $1million dollars annually "WORKING FROM HOME".

But I don't know of any Scala programmer who makes that much annually "from home".

GodMode:


That's your opinion...

You know what you want and I know what I want.

I know of php programmers that earn at least $1million dollars annually "WORKING FROM HOME".

But I don't know of any Scala programmer who makes that much annually "from home".

Yeah programmers make money regardless of the language, its all about the solution not really the language

robby1:


Well, people don't pay for programming languages. You get paid for what you can deliver with your knowledge. If you are talking about getting jobs in Scala, then I'll agree that it might be a bit challenging. But be rest assured, if a company wants to hire you to program in Scala, they'll be willing to pay a lot.
On the other hand, if the client is specifying a language for me to build a freelance project, I'll be worried cos it would seem to me that they want to give it to someone else to support so I wont be able to get support and maintenance fees.



Also, maybe I should also mention that though there are libraries that will make it easier to do so with Scala if you so wish Scala doesn't require you to relearn html, css and javascript. Scala is just the back end bit for your server side code.
i.e.
PHP -> HTML -> CSS -> JavaScript
Scala -> HTML -> CSS -> JavaScript

So, really, it's up to one to learn what they think will benefit them the most, but if I may say, you will maintain relevance in the market and gain a reputation if you stay ahead of the curve by moving away from saturation. Scala is one language that will help you achieve this.




That's right. Scala has been called Java on steroids. It's both functional and object oriented and it runs on the jvm. It's getting very popular in enterprise because of its functional nature and the fact that you can write less code to do more...

Care to share any scala resources so we can look and read I just hope its not like Struct, my colleague codes with that in the office and so much configuration of XML just to adjust logic very very scary something.

pcguru1:


Yeah programmers make money regardless of the language, its all about the solution not really the language

True

These Days there's no such thing as PHP,Scala,Java Developer in my office you are a Developer first, today you can be on a PHP Project tomorrow you get your azz deployed on a Grails project. Despite working with java and .NET most of my jobs for PHP are all in PHP. So which is even why i believe every *software developer* should try as much language if possible you never know what you might pick up. PHP brings money for me because it has the easiest hosting and the barrier to entry is low. I can't imagine an entrepreneur trying to use Java for a small business maybe its when it gets bigger that certain plans come into plan. However PHP applications these days are not used alone, e.g Konga uses PHP (assumption) but I know they use it with ActiveMQ (Java). A former firm i worked with uses a PHP E-commerce solution I remember when i was asked to integrate it with Elastic Search (Java). Even Facebook PHP is a different beast from the PHP we all use. tech is quite fun

GodMode:


That's your opinion...

You know what you want and I know what I want.

I know of php programmers that earn at least $1million dollars annually "WORKING FROM HOME".

But I don't know of any Scala programmer who makes that much annually "from home".

That's cool. Php is a good language for its purpose. I was wondering what other people felt about Scala. Thanks for your insight.

robby1:


That's cool. Php is a good language for its purpose. I was wondering what other people felt about Scala. Thanks for your insight.

you won't find much luck about info on languages from developers here, the best is to join LinkedIn Groups or Scala forums.

Yeah I'm on a few groups in Linked in. There was a conference held recently where the guy that designed the language (Martin Odersky) came and spoke about his plans for Scala in the future.
I was hoping to find out from programmers in Nigeria, what the general feeling is towards Scala and to see if anyone uses it for work or freelance.

pcguru1:

Care to share any scala resources so we can look and read I just hope its not like Struct, my colleague codes with that in the office and so much configuration of XML just to adjust logic very very scary something.

I don't know much about struct. Scala is not very difficult. The learning curve is a bit steep if you haven't done much functional programming and you want to do that with it, but you can still do OO stuff quite easily to sort of ease yourself into the language. Then when you're more comfortable, you can try out the functional paradigm.
If you want to learn, the course is open and free on coursera. You'll learn from Martin himself. He goes relatively deep into functional programming concepts. You can watch the videos from the previous session he ran last year but if you want, you could sign up for another one starting in april and for that, you can earn a certificate: https://www.coursera.org/course/progfun

For web development, check out https://www.playframework.com/. and http://typesafe.com/products/typesafe-reactive-platform

Here's a fun way to learn: http://scalatron.github.io/. Its a game that you can play with friends. Build your own robots and give it some logic to compete with your friends robots, if you like that sort of thing.

Scala Enthusiasts on linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/Scala-enthusiasts-746917

pcguru1:


that's because your knowledge of the market is limited, walk into any Enterprise organization in Nigeria and find out what they use most are either java/.NET either ASP.NET MVC or (Spring/Structs/Grails/Magnolia) the list is long, Oracle,NHibernate,Hibernate PHP is just used for their front public sites. maybe till when PHP can handle async processes is it even possible to create Thread in PHP ?

bro to answer ur question it very possible to create thread in php, for further reading u may check d online php manual at :
http://php.net/manual/en/thread.start.php

robby1:
Coming from a Java background, I was lured into a new scala developer role which I took in November. So far I've been loving it. I wish I had played a bit more with it in the past.

So I'm wondering, what's the feeling towards scala here?
What do you like/dislike about scala?

I want to learn Scala.
Kindly help a brother