Well he may not be black as u say as d arabs do have hair of wooly texture n due to d sun dark skin. This doesn't make an arAb blAck. Well I like this picture drawn by a child after a vision she saw of Him.

AmunRaOlodumare:

Any reliable sources for that crap or do you just make things up?

Ancient Egyptians were always indigenous African people not Eurasian/Mediterraneans which came much later in large proportion (Aamu/Hyksos during the second intermediate period), before that time the proportion of Eurasians was small in Ancient Egypt (traders, nomadic migrants in neighboring deserts, etc).



What most affected populations movements within Africa in this NorthEastern African region is climate change:


- From: Climate-Controlled Holocene Occupation in the Sahara: Motor of Africa’s Evolution

There was never any proof of people/immigrants coming from outside Africa like Europeans or West Asians to create Ancient Egypt (in predynastic times). Ancient Egyptians even according to mainstream science were indigenous African people.

You can trace the archaeological continuity between the Green Sahara period, Nabta Playa, Tasian culture, Badarian, Naqada and the foundation of Ancient Egypt (pre/1st Dynasty). Archaeological continuity=science.

what I've realized from my studies is that Egypt was mixed, jst as there was Upper and Lower Egypt

You would agree that the Sahara dried up in about 5,600BC, which likely drove Nilotics up into the Nile Valley.
And just like other parts North Africa where we had Afro-Asiatic people like berbers settled before the emergence of the Egyptian dynasties as early as 10,000BC
Definitely a people of a similar culture and origin to berbers must have been present in the Nile delta...even if just for commercial purposes until being conquered by the blacks of the Valley at 3100BC
The Merimde culture of pre-dynastic northern Egypt has been found to share many things with the canaanites of the middle east, while Naqada culture of southern Egypt possesses a cultural link with the Nubians than those in the Nile-delta

Horus:


We are not talking about the same person. You are talking about Peter, one of the twelve apostles and I am talking about Simeon who was
the brother of Jesus

Lmao Simeon and Simon are the same, jst different spellings.
The Bible never told us if Jesus had a brother named Simon

macof:


Lmao Simeon and Simon are the same, jst different spellings.
The Bible never told us if Jesus had a brother named Simon

Your post is a proof that you are not reading your bible and also a proof that you just reply to a post without reading them.

uboma:



Do you have problem with comprehension? Read through your previous comments and see where u said that the god u worship is the same colour as u. now who is making things up?

Lol...Let me help you. This is what I said:

If the God you worship does not look like you, then you are in bondage. Spiritual prisoners of other people."

Now, where is the suggestion that I have seen God and I know he/she/it looks like me?

"Jesus" (the Jesus that my people have been given) does not look like black people so, my statement is accurate.

Talk about comprehension.

Afroconnect:

You don't know...I guess only ignorant,zombies like u too have not heard.

smh. I wonder where this idiota got Yeshua the Egyptian from

macof:


what I've realized from my studies is that Egypt was mixed, jst as there was Upper and Lower Egypt

You would agree that the Sahara dried up in about 5,600BC, which likely drove Nilotics up into the Nile Valley.
And just like other parts North Africa where we had Afro-Asiatic people like berbers settled before the emergence of the Egyptian dynasties as early as 10,000BC
Definitely a people of a similar culture and origin to berbers must have been present in the Nile delta...even if just for commercial purposes until being conquered by the blacks of the Valley at 3100BC
The Merimde culture of pre-dynastic northern Egypt has been found to share many things with the canaanites of the middle east, while Naqada culture of southern Egypt possesses a cultural link with the Nubians than those in the Nile-delta

There's evidence of bi-directional trading with the Levant in the northern part of pre-dynastic egypt. Btw it has nothing to do with Berbers which are to be found in Northwestern Africa (and came in contact with Ancient Egypt much later on in dynastic time). But even modern mainstream archaeologists, as far as I know, consider it 2 different cultures (for example they each made their own kind of pottery which could be traded in relatively small quantities iirc, I'm not sure if it was small or larger quantity).

Although in dynastic time, many nomadic West Asians and prisoners of war came to occupy the Delta and eventually took power during the second intermediate period (with the Hyksos/Aamu). But as you alluded to, even according to mainstream Egyptology, the foundation of Ancient Egypt was based on the southern culture (Green Sahara, Nabta Playa, Tasian, Badarian, Naqada culture). This can also be read in numerous publications like this recent one (posted above): http://www.academia.edu/6346508/_co-authored_Cultural_convergence_in_the_Neolithic_of_the_Nile_Valley_a_prehistoric_perspective_on_Egypt_s_place_in_Africa._Antiquity_2014_


There's no archaeological or anthropological continuity between Palestine and the Delta in pre-dynastic egypt. Consider this excerpt from Kemp's book as a summary of the scientific data related to anthropological continuity:

" Moving to the opposite geographical extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine.73 The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. " - Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilization (Kemp, 2005, p.54)

The Black Egyptians--Original Settlers of Kemet

The Black Egyptians are the original settlers of Kmt. "The native Sudanese are one of the original pigmented Arabs in that region. They are members of the same ethnic family with the ancient Egyptians, the Ethiopians, the Southern Arabians, and the primitive inhabitants of Babylon. They are all founders and sustainers of the mighty Nilotic civilization we still admire today. They are very great nation of Blacks, who did rule almost over all Africa and Asia in a very remote era, in fact beyond the reach of history of any of our records.

Egypt is a Greek word meaning “Black.”

bullet The Egyptians of the Bible were Negroid.
bullet The Bible says both Egyptians and Ethiopians are descendants of Ham.
bullet Arabs invaded Egypt in the 7th Century AD; Remember, Egypt wasn't invaded by Rome until 300 BC. The Bible dates 4000 BC.
bullet Therefore, Arabs have no more connection to Ancient Egypt than Europeans have to Ancient America.
bullet Egyptian is an Afro-Asiatic language. (AFRO, AFRO)
bullet The national language of modern day Egypt is Egyptian Arabic, which gradually replaced Coptic. (Coptic--Ethiopia)
bullet
Black Egyptians were eventually mixed with invading Libyans, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Turks, Arabs and Western Europeans. That is where the mixed people of the modern-day Arabs come from.

The following is supporting evidence from The African Origin of Civilization: by: Cheikh Anta Diop

Evidence from Physical Anthropology
The skeletons and skulls of the Ancient Egyptians clearly reflect they were Negroid people with features very similar to those of modern Black Nubians and other people of the Upper Nile and of East Africa.

Melanin Dosage Test
Egyptologist Cheikh Anta Diop invented a method for determining the level of melanin in the skin of human beings. When conducted on Egyptian mummies in the Museum of Man in Paris, this test indicated these remains were of Black people.

Osteological Evidence
"Lepsius canon," which distinguishes the bodily proportions of various racial groups categories the "ideal Egyptian" as "short-armed and of Negroid or Negrito physical type."

Evidence From Blood Types
Diop notes that even after hundreds of years of inter-mixture with foreign invaders, the blood type of modern Egyptians is the "same group B as the populations of western Africa on the Atlantic seaboard and not the A2 Group characteristic of the white race prior to any crossbreeding."

The Egyptians as They Saw Themselves
"The Egyptians had only one term to designate themselves =kmt= the Negroes (literally). This is the strongest term existing in the Pharaonic tongue to indicate blackness; it is accordingly written with a hieroglyph representing a length of wood charred at the end and not crocodile scales," singular. ‘Kmt’ from the adjective =kmt= black; it therefore means strictly Negroes or at the very least black men. The term is a collective noun which thus described the whole people of Pharaonic Egypt as a black people."

Divine Epithets
Diop demonstrates that "black or Negro" is the divine epithet invariably used for the chief beneficent Gods of Egypt, while the evil spirits were depicted as red.

Evidence From the Bible
The Bible states"…[t]he sons of Ham [were] Cush and Mizraim [i.e. Egypt], and Phut, and Canaan. And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah and Sabtechah." According to Biblical tradition, Ham, of course, was the father of the Black race. "Generally speaking all Semitic tradition (Jewish and Arab) class ancient Egypt with the countries of the Black."
Cultural unity of Egypt With The Rest of Africa
Through a study of circumcision and totemism. Diop gives detailed data showing cultural unity between Egypt and the rest of Africa.

Linguistic Unity With Southern and Western Africa
In a detailed study of languages, Diop clearly demonstrates that Ancient Egyptian, modern Coptic of Egypt and Walaf of West Africa are related, with the latter two having their origin in the former.

Testimony of Classical Greek and Roman Authors
Virtually all of the early Latin eyewitnesses described the Ancient Egyptians as Black skinned with wooly hair.
After the conquest of Egypt by Alexander, under the Ptolemies, crossbreeding between white Greeks and black Egyptians flourished. "Nowhere was Dionysus more favored, nowhere was he worshiped more adoringly and more elaborately than by the Ptolemies, who recognized his cult as an especially effective means of promoting the assimilation of the conquering Greeks and their fusion with the native Egyptians." {Endnote 15: J. J. Bachofen, Pages choisies par Adrien Turel, "Du Regne de la mere au patriarcat." Paris: F. Alcan, 1938, p. 89.}

These facts prove that if the Egyptian people had originally been white, it might well have remained so. If Herodotus found it still black after so much crossbreeding, it must have been basic black at the start.

Before examining the contradictions circulating in the modern era and resulting from attempts to prove at any price that the Egyptians were Whites, let us note the comments of Count Constantin de Volney (1757-1820). After being imbued with all the prejudices we have just mentioned with regard to the Negro, Volney had gone to Egypt between 1783 and 1785, he reported the Egyptian Race is the very race that had produced the Pharaohs: the Copts (p. 27).

“All have a bloated face, puffed up eyes, flat nose, and thick lips; in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx; its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: "As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair. ..." We can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of peoples. {End quote}

When Egypt was invaded by Arabs - Egypt suffered turbulent times when, in 609 AD, the country had sided with Nicetas, a lieutenant of Heraclius, in the rebellion against the emperor Phocas. Only shortly after Heraclius overthrew Phocas, the Byzantines were attacked by the Persians. The armies of the Sasanid King Khosrau II invaded Egypt, inflicting cruel suffering upon its some of its inhabitants. This Persian occupation lasted six years.



Narmer (Menes) The 1st Pharaoh of Egypt
(Fig 5 - Diop Cheikh Anta, The African Origin of Civilization, 1974)

King Aha-Mena-Narmer is known by millions of people by the Greek-distorted "version" of his name: King Menes. Notice the African features from his high chick bones, flat nose and thick lips. The Kufi/Crown upon his head is a sign of royal authority.

King Aha-Mena-Narmer is the founding King of the first Ancient Egyptian dynasty. He also become the first Emperor of Kemet by unifying Upper and Lower Egypt into one imperial federation, along the Nile Valley. From its Central-Eastern Kilimanjaro Mountains sources to the Mediterranean Sea Delta, the Ancient Egyptian Empire gave birth to the world's first civilization.

Since then, the imperial heritage has been carried on, from dynasty to dynasty and from generation to generation. Extensive territory is nothing new to African Kings and Emperors: it is simply a matter of historical, cultural and imperial continuity.

African history and culture trace their roots back to that pharaonic period, the ultimate source of African humanities. The same way the European/Western world traces its history and culture back to Greece and Rome. African human sciences, finally reconciled with its Ancient Egyptian sources, can retrace the entire history of the Nation, step-by-step.

On this immemorial timeline, the enslavement and colonial periods suffered by African people can be considered as little parenthesis. Yet, the terrible impact of colonial bound mis-education and cultural conditioning affects many people, Blacks and Whites alike. Consequently, innocent victims of "schooling" who have lost their historical memories, now find it hard to believe that, Black people actually played the earliest civilizing role in the world. That misleading education has damaged the minds, self-esteem and behavior of many people across racial lines:

"The History of humanity will remain confused as long as as we fail to distinguish between the two early cradles in which nature fashioned the instincts, temperament, habits and ethical concepts of the two subdivisions before they met each other after a long separation, dating back to prehistoric times..."Cheikh Anta Diop

Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop, in his “L’Antiquité Africaine Par L’Image” (Notes Africaines No Special 145) drew two important conclusions:


Humanity born at the latitude of the African Great Lakes, near the Ecuador is by necessity pigmented (black) and African. This is substantiated by Gloger’s Law which states that warm blooded beings are pigmented in hot and humid climates”.

All races are issued from the African race by direct relationships and, the other continents were peopled from Africa at the Homo erectus stage, as well as the Homo sapiens stage, which appeared about 150,000 years ago.

It has been finally proven that, for a time period beginning 5 million years ago up until the glacial thaw (10,000 years ago), Africa almost unilaterally peopled and influenced the rest of the world.

Dr. Leakey, one of the world's most reputable paleo-anthropologist, in his serious work “Progress And Evolution Of Man In Africa”, reminds us that: “The critics of Africa forget that men of science are today satisfied that, Africa was the birthplace of man himself”. Human beings are Africa’s first contribution to humanity.

Advanced research and several studies in prehistory and paleo-anthropology have confirmed the similarities between the original founders of the pharaonic civilization (ancient Nubians, Ethiopians and Egyptians) and the modern day Africans.

Rawlinson concludes in “Origins Of Nations” that: “The authors of Genesis unites together as members of the same ethnic family the Egyptians, the Ethiopians, the Southern Arabians, and the primitive inhabitants of Babylon”.

According to many ancient testimonies, the inhabitants of Sudan, Egypt, Arabia, Palestine, Western Asia and India were Ethiopians, therefore Africans. Back in that era, there were two lands called Ethiopia. Sir Godfrey Higgins (Anacalypsis, vol.1) declared: “One on the east of the Red Sea, and the other on the west of it; and a very great nation of Blacks, from India, did rule almost over all Asia in a very remote era, in fact beyond the reach of history of any of our records”.

Herodotus who was initiated within the Ancient Egyptian mystery system declared that:” The uniform voice of primitive antiquity spoke of the Ethiopians as one single race, dwelling along the shores of the southern ocean, from India to the pillars of Hercules”. (Herodotus, vol.1 book I)

Greece: An Average Student of Ancient Egypt

Dr. Theophile Obenga, in this magisterial book "African Philosophy in World History" (Obenga,1998), successfully challenges and neutralizes the Hegelian philosophy of history, continuing in the footsteps of Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop, his mentor. Hegel alienated the Caucasian mind by stating with ignorance that "Africa has no history". That mis-education of the Caucasians led to arrogance with an unfounded racial superiority belief system.

The seven liberal arts and sciences, which are grammar, rhetoric, logic, arithmetic, geometry, music and astronomy, come out of Africa. Therefore, to the Ancient Egyptians, and neither to the Greeks, nor to the Romans, are we indebted for the present body of human knowledge. Greece and Rome were average students in Ancient Egypt. Considered foreigners and childish, Greek students were unable to access a complete initiation and induction within the Ancient Egyptian Mystery System.

Aristotle of Stagira, Thales of Miletus, Pythagoras of Samos, Diodorus of Sicily, Plato and Strabo were all initiated in Ancient Egypt, from a very young age until adulthood. Their eyewitness accounts reflect the fact that they were taught and instructed by dark skinned teachers born and raised in Africa. Greed, prestige and reputation made most of them ungrateful, when they claimed all the theories and theorems, formulas and axioms they learned in Ancient Egypt for themselves. Most Greek and Roman students of Africa committed plagiarism by signing their names on their African teachers writings, inventions,
creations and productions.

Thus, we now have: "Theorem of Pythagoras", "Thales' Axiom" among many illegal appropriations of the African sciences of geometry, mathematics, architecture, rhetoric and philosophy. Those operative sciences have been invented and implemented in the heart of Africa, thousands of years before the Greeks and Romans came into existence as a distinct race!

That saga continues today with the renaming of African scientific papyri such as the "Rhind Papyri" and the "Moscow mathematical Papyri". Those Papyri and their scientific content were produced and elaborated thousands of years before Rhind's people were born. Eastern Europe was still under the ice-age with barbaric people. Moscow, nor any of its founders, were even in existence at the time.

Since mankind originated first in Africa, it was necessarily black before becoming white through mutation and adaptation, at the end of the last ice-age in Europe. Scholars both ancient and modern have finally come to the conclusion that, the African people created the world first civilization. Our ancestors did rule the world from its seats of power, enthroned from the valley of the Granges, the Tigris and Euphrates, to the Nile and Niger Rivers.




Definitely a people of a similar culture and origin to berbers must have been present in the Nile delta...even if just for commercial purposes until being conquered by the blacks of the Valley at 3100BC
The Merimde culture of pre-dynastic northern Egypt has been found to share many things with the canaanites of the middle east, while Naqada culture of southern Egypt possesses a cultural link with the Nubians than those in the Nile-delta

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Op, really thought provoking, you almost confused me there. Thank God i had my Bible to check the rest of the passage you quoted Daniel 10 5-6, i continued reading the passage and discovered that the being described was actually Angel Gabriel, not Jesus Christ, Yet, you conveniently left out that part.


Genesis 10: 19 was referring to Judah not Jesus and it was also in a figurative way.

It seems that any part of the bible remotely referring to anyone in a negro way, you conveniently substitute that person for our Lord Jesus Christ

macof:

Actually blacks weren't the true inhabitants of Egypt, they were migrants from the Sudan region who conquered the Mediterraneans and formed the ruling class of the dynastic periods

As for Israel, that's a joke. Jeremiah puts a clear reference to the different skin tone in Jeremiah 13:23 "CAN THE CUSHITE CHANGE HIS SKIN, OR CAN THE LEOPARD CHANGE IT'S SPOTS?"

Did you watch the video frm the link i posted?

AmunRaOlodumare:

Any reliable sources for that crap or do you just make things up?

Ancient Egyptians were always indigenous African people not Eurasian/Mediterraneans which came much later in large proportion (Aamu/Hyksos during the second intermediate period), before that time the proportion of Eurasians was small in Ancient Egypt (traders, nomadic migrants in neighboring deserts, etc).



What most affected populations movements within Africa in this NorthEastern African region is climate change:


- From: Climate-Controlled Holocene Occupation in the Sahara: Motor of Africa’s Evolution

There was never any proof of people/immigrants coming from outside Africa like Europeans or West Asians to create Ancient Egypt (in predynastic times). Ancient Egyptians even according to mainstream science were indigenous African people.

You can trace the archaeological continuity between the Green Sahara period, Nabta Playa, Tasian culture, Badarian, Naqada and the foundation of Ancient Egypt (pre/1st Dynasty). Archaeological continuity=science.

Quit arguing with him. His basis of argument is based on his so-called african religion agenda which is clearly clouding his reasoning. Overwhelming and massive evidence keep proving that ancient egyptians were an indgenious black people who originated from Parthos or Upper Egypt (the Nubians). The bible which has proven again and again to be accurate and consistent in its records mentioned in Ezekiel 29 14:

I will restore the prosperity of Egypt and bring its people back to the land of Pathros in southern Egypt from which they came. But Egypt will remain an unimportant, minor kingdom.

Psalm 105 vs 23:

Israel also came into Egypt; Thus Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham.

Ham is said to be the father of the black race who gave birth to Egypt (Mizraim), Cush (Nubians), Canaan and Phut.

Pathros is the biblical name for Upper Egypt region where the ancient Egyptians equally mentioned that they originated from, aka the land of Punt. DNA testing and anthropological evidence all point to an African origin of ancient Egyptians. The Egyptians started and maintained a flourishing civilization about 2500 years way before the Greeks or Romans surfaed in the late BCs. Philosophy that is wrongly attirbuted to the Greeks today started with the Egyptians, from whom the Greeks learned from. 'Man Know thyself' a popular philosophical statement attributed to aristotle was discovered on Egyptian temples with age dating back to as early as 3000BC. Meanwhile Aristotle wrote this in his book in the late BCs (50BC or so.) The early Egyptians were already practising mathematics, science, philosophy before the Greeks and Romans surfaced. The first white civilization started with the Greeks at about 2000 years after ancient Egyptian civilization had already been flourishing - an indigenous black african civilization. Ancient Egyptians were the inventors of Pythagoras theorem and formula of finding the area of shapes such as [8/9 D]² for finding the area of a circle.

Some people would want to have us believe in the Mediterranean theory of a foreign people invading Egypt and building the pyramids there, yet there is not one single evidence of the so-called people building the pyramids elsewhere or in the land where they came from into Egypt. The so-called foreign invaders into Egypt that built the Pyramids could not build the very same pyramids back in the land they came from. There is not one single evidence of that. How can you build something you've never built before? What/who gave them the inspiration or the experience or the idea? Yet Pyramids continue to be found today in Sudan, just south of Egypt. The Nubians of Sudan who were the actual builders of the Pyramids, after Egypt fell to Persian, Greek and Roman occupation went back to Sudan and continued to build Pyramids there for themselves. Today, Sudan has more Pyramids than all of Egypt put together but you will never hear of the Pyramids of Sudan. So-called Historians and writers have continued to ignore the Pyramids of Sudan which are exactly similar to the Pyramids of Egypt which is massive evidence pointing to indigenous african builders of the pyramids. Ancient Igbo equally built pyramids.

All ancient latin texts all confirm that ancient egyptians were a black people with wooly hair. Aristotle, Herodotus e.t.c all confirmed that in their books.

They would want to downplay the evidence of African might and civilization and tell us that some foreign and 'superior' race built the pyramids yet there is not one single evidence of the pyramids built in the so-called foreign region the 'suprerior' race came from. You would not replicate something you have never built before nor had experience in doing.

Now Africa is being divided. They are telling us that Egyptians and Sudanese are dark-skinned 'caucasoid' and are different from the rest of Africa which they classified as 'Sub-Saharan' Africa. It is very easy to conveniently claim a black-skinned black man as caucasoids yet the african americans in their back yards who are even more mixed and much light-skinned are considered black. The one-drop rule was applied to african americans (one black ancestor in your lineage makes you black no matter how white you are) to consider them black but conveniently isn't applied to Egyptians and Sudanese but claim Sudanese Nubians and Ancient Egyptians to be 'dark-skinned caucasians'. In other words, white people with dark skin. In other words, anything good coming out of Africa cannot be negroid but attributed to some Caucasianess in them, thus the need to separate black-skinned Egyptians and Sudanese from the rest of Africa. This shows the extent some people would go to discredit africans of their history and claim it as theirs. It is so difficult to accept that the blacks (ancient Egyptians) are the originators of science, mathematics, philosophy, medicine e.t.c.

Some pro-african traditional religionists would not understand the on-going war to discredit africans of their history under some superior vs inferior race agenda until they've traveled out of Nigeria and lived in foreign lands and experienced, first hand, how Africa and Africans are looked down on.

If anyone wants to be truly pro-african, let them start by reclaiming what was originally theirs. Ancient Egyptians practised an african traditional religion, not a foreign religion.

AmunRaOlodumare:

Israel were not black. Even Ancient Egyptians depicted the Aamu (Palestine and West Asian people) as pale/white Semitic people.

Even if Ancient Egyptians were black, as I believe. It doesn't really matter. Zulu are blacks and it doesn't mean people in Nigeria must adopt Zulu religions or customs.

Same for Jesus. Even if Jesus was black, it doesn't mean we need to adopt his religion. Each people in Africa have their own spiritual beliefs.

While distantly related to each others in time. For example, all Niger-Kordofanian speakers share a common past (at the very least at the time of the proto-Niger-Kordofanian language). We still have evolved and migrated in different regions since that time to become our own people, with our own religions and customs.

Freedom of religions. Freedom of beliefs. Freedom to not believe in any religions (atheism, agnosticism). Religious pluralism. Diversity of religions. Are the best protection against fascism and those who want to restrict our liberty.

At the end of it, each family can even pray and communicate with their own ancestors and grandfathers if they want to. That's African beliefs. It's also true for many traditional spirituality and non-Abrahamic religions around the world.

Watch the video from the link i posted earlier and tell me if i am wrong.

Horus:


Your post is a proof that you are not reading your bible and also a proof that you just reply to a post without reading them.

when u give your Bible reverence I'll open the Bible I have and learn.
So show us the Bible passages that tell of the Simon who is a blood brother of Jesus

bigfrancis21:


Quit arguing with him. His basis of argument is based on his so-called african religion agenda which is clearly clouding his reasoning. Overwhelming and massive evidence keep proving that ancient egyptians were an indgenious black people who originated from Parthos or Upper Egypt (the Nubians). The bible which has proven again and again to be accurate and consistent in its records mentioned in Ezekiel 29 14:



Psalm 105 vs 23:


Ham is said to be the father of the black race who gave birth to Egypt (Mizraim), Cush (Nubians), Canaan and Phut.

Pathros is the biblical name for Upper Egypt region where the ancient Egyptians equally mentioned that they originated from, aka the land of Punt. DNA testing and anthropological evidence all point to an African origin of ancient Egyptians. The Egyptians started and maintained a flourishing civilization about 2,500 even before the Greeks or Romans surfaed in the late BCs. Philosophy that is wrongly attirbuted to the Greeks today started with the Egyptians, from whom the Greeks learned from. 'Man Know thyself' a popular philosophical statement attributed to aristotle was discovered on Egyptian temples with age dating back to as early as 3000BC. The early Egyptians were already practising mathematics, science, philosophy before the Greeks and Romans surfaced. The first white civilization started with the Greeks at about 2000 years after ancient Egyptian civilization had already been flourishing - an indigenous black african civilization.

Some people would want to have us believe in the Mediteeranean theory of a foreign people invading Egypt and building the pyramids there, yet there is not one single evidence of the so-called people building the pyramids elsewhere or in the land where they came from into Egypt. The so-called foreign invaders into Egypt that built the Pyramids cannot build something they had never built before back in the land they came from. What gave them the inspiration? The experience? The idea? Yet Pyramids continue to be found today in Sudan. The Nubians of Sudan who were the actual builders of the Pyramids after Egypt fell to Persian, Greek and Roman occupation went back to Sudan and continued to build Pyramids there for themselves. Today, Sudan has more Pyramids than all of Egypt put together but you will never hear of the Pyramids of Sudan. So-called Historians and writers continue to ignore the Pyramids of Sudan which are exactly similar to the Pyramids of Egypt.

All ancient latin texts all confirm that ancient egyptians were a black people with wooly hair. Aristotle, Herodotus e.t.c all confirmed that in their books.

They would want to downplay the evidence of African might and civilization and tell us that some foreign and 'superior' race built the pyramids yet there is not one single evidence of the pyramids built in the so-called foreign region the 'suprerior' race came from. You would not replicate something you have never built before nor had experience in doing.

Now Africa is being divided. They are telling us that Egyptians and Sudanese are dark-skinned 'caucasoid'. It is very easy to conveniently claim a black-skinned black man as caucasoids yet the african americans in their back yards who are even more mixed and much light-skinned are considered black. The one-drop rule was applied to african americans (one black ancestor in your lineage makes you black no matter how white you are) to consider them black but conveniently claim Sudanese Nubians and Ancient Egyptians to be 'dark-skinned caucasians'. In other words, white people with dark skin. This shows the extent some people would go to discredit africans of their history and claim it as theirs. It is so difficult to accept that the blacks (ancient Egyptians) are the originators of science, mathematics, philosophy, medicine e.t.c.

Some pro-african traditional religionists would not understand the on-going war to discredit africans of their history under some superior vs inferior race agenda until they've traveled out of Nigeria and lived in foreign lands and experienced, first hand, how Africa and Africans are looked down on.

Well said..thank u..@macof,u can see from here that they are blacks..pls watch the video.

ThaProphet:


Lol...Let me help you. This is what I said:

If the God you worship does not look like you, then you are in bondage. Spiritual prisoners of other people."

Now, where is the suggestion that I have seen God and I know he/she/it looks like me?

"Jesus" (the Jesus that my people have been given) does not look like black people so, my statement is accurate.

Talk about comprehension.

From your above comment, take a critical look at the 2nd and 3rd line, *if the god you worship doesnt look like you, then you are in bondage*.

What does this mean? You implied that your god looks like you which also means that you have seen your god. How on earth would you have known that your god looks like you if you havent seen him? Again i ask, do you have problems comprehending what you wrote down?

macof:


what I've realized from my studies is that Egypt was mixed, jst as there was Upper and Lower Egypt

You would agree that the Sahara dried up in about 5,600BC, which likely drove Nilotics up into the Nile Valley.
And just like other parts North Africa where we had Afro-Asiatic people like berbers settled before the emergence of the Egyptian dynasties as early as 10,000BC
Definitely a people of a similar culture and origin to berbers must have been present in the Nile delta...even if just for commercial purposes until being conquered by the blacks of the Valley at 3100BC
The Merimde culture of pre-dynastic northern Egypt has been found to share many things with the canaanites of the middle east, while Naqada culture of southern Egypt possesses a cultural link with the Nubians than those in the Nile-delta

Ancient Egyptians were not mixed. The original Black Egyptians called their land Tama-re .Most of the so-called europeans archaeologists you see on documentaries don’t really learn cuneiform, they use previous warped writings as guidance thus continuing the deception. So when you see the Caucasian historians and archaeologists parading around as if they had anything to do with the original Egyptian civilisations know it is ONE BIG LIE. In Ancient Egypt (Tama-re), there were immigration laws that forbid Caucasians from entering Upper and Lower Egypt regions. The White skinned nomadic who tried to invade were called Tamahu (‘Living Filth’). Race Mixing was against the rules of the Neteru (Egyptian gods). Mixed race people and caucasians were regarded with contempt. The mixed-race people that you are reffering to are invaders claiming to be original Egyptians. They did this by what is called Tying Into The Vine. They realized that we black had progressive genes, and they had regressive genes.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xOWebVYvw

[size=15pt]White man tells truth about BLACK egypt[/size]

BaWoahGDP:
Well he may not be black as u say as d arabs do have hair of wooly texture n due to d sun dark skin. This doesn't make an arAb blAck. Well I like this picture drawn by a child after a vision she saw of Him.

Don't judge the ancient hebrew looks based on what you see today. It is just like claiming that US was never a red indian land because you went to america and you saw white and black people everywhere. Look for the actual description of the hebrews in the bible, the bible being a historical and accurate book.

The modern Jews today were middle easterners from Khazar who converted to Judaism in the 12th century and they are known as the Ashnezaki Jews. They are not the ancient Hebrews. Note the difference between 'Hebrew' and 'Jew'. Hebrew refers to the native people or the language and 'Jew' refers to a convert or follower of Judaism. Ancient Hebrews called themselves 'ivri'/'ibri' and their language 'ibrit'.

Egypt is middle eastern today because it fell under Persian, Greek and Roman occupation at some point in 300 BC. After it fell, it witnessed an influx of foreign peoples into the land who wanted to visit Egypt, the land of mysteries and wonders they had heard so much about. Many of these people settled in Egypt and over the centuries inter-married amongst themselves and also with the Egyptians and mixed up to give you modern-day Egyptians. The foreign invaders knew this because they knew that it only takes about 3 generations to effectively turn a black man into a white man and vice versa i.e. absorbing the natives into the wider foreign gene pool (A 1st generation black egyptian male marries a light-skined foreigner to give birth to 2nd-generation mixed-race children who further marry with light-skinned foreigners already settled in Egypt to give birth to 3rd-generation light-skinned children who look just like the regular foreign settlers, and thus traces of ancient black ancestors are effectively wiped out except for DNA testing). Native black Egyptians are still found in Egypt today especially as you move further south you will find them there.

AmunRaOlodumare:

There's evidence of bi-directional trading with the Levant in the northern part of pre-dynastic egypt. Btw it has nothing to do with Berbers which are to be found in Northwestern Africa (and came in contact with Ancient Egypt much later on in dynastic time). But even modern mainstream archaeologists, as far as I know, consider it 2 different cultures (for example they each made their own kind of pottery which could be traded in relatively small quantities iirc, I'm not sure if it was small or larger quantity).

Although in dynastic time, many nomadic West Asians and prisoners of war came to occupy the Delta and eventually took power during the second intermediate period (with the Hyksos/Aamu). But as you alluded to, even according to mainstream Egyptology, the foundation of Ancient Egypt was based on the southern culture (Green Sahara, Nabta Playa, Tasian, Badarian, Naqada culture). This can also be read in numerous publications like this recent one (posted above): http://www.academia.edu/6346508/_co-authored_Cultural_convergence_in_the_Neolithic_of_the_Nile_Valley_a_prehistoric_perspective_on_Egypt_s_place_in_Africa._Antiquity_2014_


There's no archaeological or anthropological continuity between Palestine and the Delta in pre-dynastic egypt. Consider this excerpt from Kemp's book as a summary of the scientific data related to anthropological continuity:

" Moving to the opposite geographical extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine.73 The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans. " - Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilization (Kemp, 2005, p.54)

I mentioned berbers and canaanites, suggesting that the inhabitants of the delta were similar to them and spoke an afro-asiatic language.
Nt that they were actually berbers or Palestinians...they must have grown distinct over time but retained certain cultural traits that show us the links we have found out

I am certain the language of dynastic Egypt, classified as Afro-asiatic mainly spread from the Nile delta. Cus the southern part was of a Nilotic stock obviously with an initial Nilo-Saharan language

Horus:


Ancient Egyptians were not mixed. The original Black Egyptians called their land Tama-re .Most of the so-called europeans archaeologists you see on documentaries don’t really learn cuneiform, they use previous warped writings as guidance thus continuing the deception. In Ancient Egypt (Tama-re), there were immigration laws that forbid Caucasians from entering Upper and Lower Egypt regions.
The White skinned nomadic who tried to invade were called Tamahu (‘Living Filth’). Race Mixing was against the rules of the Neteru (Egyptian gods). Mixed race people and caucasians were regarded with contempt. The mixed-race people that you are reffering to are invaders claiming to be original Egyptians. They did this by what is called Tying Into The Vine. They realized that we black had progressive genes, and they had regressive genes.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xOWebVYvw

[size=15pt]White man tells truth about BLACK egypt[/size]

Thank you.

@bigfrancis if my African religiosity is blinding my reasoning, isn't that better than an African like you being blinded by christianity and his love and addiction to Hebrew shiit
My reasoning is a million times above yours, cus I already have pride in my African Gods and don't need to turn a middle eastern people into blacks, or turn my people into Hebrews to feel better about myself

Jesus was a black man (so was his mother) and since he started Christianity (maybe St. Paul), and I am a follower of Christianity it simply follows that I am only following a 'black' religion in that case started by a fellow black like me.

I guess the white popes and european churches already know better.

[img]http://meagainstiniquity.files./2013/04/francismeetsbenedictblackmadonna.jpg[/img]

[img]http://2.bp..com/-8Wq5otDaT-U/VBMdyu-zhNI/AAAAAAAABs0/F8ddkYjEoFY/s1600/Black%2Bmadonna%2Band%2Bwhite%2Bworship.png[/img]

It takes seven (7) generations to wash black out completely from two black parents. It takes just 1 to get white to black. Half castes with a black father or mother is black ofcouse not fully. yes you are right. 3 from white to black, halfcaste and black partner till completely black on the 3rd.

bigfrancis21:


Don't judge the ancient hebrew looks based on what you see today. It is just like claiming that US was never a red indian land because you went to america and you saw white and black people everywhere. Look for the actual description of the hebrews in the bible, the bible being a historical and accurate book.

The modern Jews today were middle easterners from Khazar who converted to Judaism in the 12th century and they are known as the Ashnezaki Jews. They are not the ancient Hebrews.

Egypt is middle eastern today because it fell under Persian, Greek and Roman occupation at some point in 300 BC. After it fell, it witnessed an influx of foreign peoples into the land who wanted to visit Egypt, the land of mysteries and wonders they had heard so much about. Many of these people settled in Egypt and over the centuries inter-married amongst themselves and also with the Egyptians and mixed up to give you modern-day Egyptians. The foreign invaders knew this because they knew that it only takes about 3 generations to effectively turn a black man into a white man and vice versa i.e. absorbing the natives into the wider foreign gene pool (A 1st generation black egyptian male marries a light-skined foreigner to give birth to 2nd-generation mixed-race children who further marry with light-skinned foreigners already settled in Egypt to give birth to 3rd-generation light-skinned children who look just like the regular foreign settlers, and thus traces of ancient black ancestors are effectively wiped out except for DNA testing). Native black Egyptians are still found in Egypt today especially as you move further south you will find them there.

To understand this fully. what caused tribalism in Africa? why do one tribe despises the other?

macof:
@bigfrancis if my African religiosity is blinding my reasoning, isn't that better than an African like you being blinded by christianity and his love and addiction to Hebrew shiit
My reasoning is a million times above yours, cus I already have pride in my African Gods and don't need to turn a middle eastern people into blacks, or turn my people into Hebrews to feel better about myself

macof:
@bigfrancis if my African religiosity is blinding my reasoning, isn't that better than an African like you being blinded by christianity and his love and addiction to Hebrew shiit
My reasoning is a million times above yours, cus I already have pride in my African Gods and don't need to turn a middle eastern people into blacks, or turn my people into Hebrews to feel better about myself

That's true, but anyway I don't see why those poor Christianized and brainwashed Africans would want to claim Ancient Egypt. Ancient Egypt was a great PAGAN nation like Ancient Greece for example (also known as the Cradle of Western Civilization). They developed the science and knowledge Christianity tried to put down during the dark ages. Even in the Bible Ancient Egypt is treated like the enemy. The bad people who enslaved innocent, we are made to believe maybe actually prisoners of war, Hebrew people.

As I said above, Ancient Egyptians themselves depicted the people from the Levant called Aamu/Hyksos as pale/white Semitic people.

Horus:


Ancient Egyptians were not mixed. The original Black Egyptians called their land Tama-re .Most of the so-called europeans archaeologists you see on documentaries don’t really learn cuneiform, they use previous warped writings as guidance thus continuing the deception. So when you see the Caucasian historians and archaeologists parading around as if they had anything to do with the original Egyptian civilisations know it is ONE BIG LIE. In Ancient Egypt (Tama-re), there were immigration laws that forbid Caucasians from entering Upper and Lower Egypt regions. The White skinned nomadic who tried to invade were called Tamahu (‘Living Filth’). Race Mixing was against the rules of the Neteru (Egyptian gods). Mixed race people and caucasians were regarded with contempt. The mixed-race people that you are reffering to are invaders claiming to be original Egyptians. They did this by what is called Tying Into The Vine. They realized that we black had progressive genes, and they had regressive genes.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xOWebVYvw

[size=15pt]White man tells truth about BLACK egypt[/size]

Actually I didn't get my theory from any European archeologists but several sources, from which I deduced the upper and lower Egyptians were differently cultured
Personally I don't always trust European sources about Africa


Pls what's the bible passage about Simon being Jesus's brother?

macof:


smh. I wonder where this idiota got Yeshua the Egyptian from

Ok,this is the link ignoramus,the name is Horus-Yeshua is the real native name Jesus before the translation.

This is the link that talks about the Egyptian Horus,the similiarities and such...the reasons people think it is a copied story from the Egyptians by the Europeans.

macof:


smh. I wonder where this idiota got Yeshua the Egyptian from

Ok,this is the link ignoramus,the name is Horus-Yeshua is the real native name Jesus before the translation.

This is the link that talks about the Egyptian Horus,the similiarities and such...the reasons people think it is a copied story from the Egyptians by the Europeans.

Modern day jews in Isreal are mainly Russians and other Europeans who embraced the Jewish religion and traditions.

Ancient hebrews are not the jews u see today,like someone mentioned there is a difference between a Jew and a Hebrew...over time people move to different geographics and some races evolve or goes into extinct.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread290806/pg1

The child was possessed by humbaba or haylal, or better the anthromedians

BaWoahGDP:
Well he may not be black as u say as d arabs do have hair of wooly texture n due to d sun dark skin. This doesn't make an arAb blAck. Well I like this picture drawn by a child after a vision she saw of Him.

bigfrancis21:
Jesus was a black man (so was his mother) and since he started Christianity (maybe St. Paul), and I am a follower of Christianity it simply follows that I am only following a 'black' religion in that case started by a fellow black like me.

I guess the white popes and european churches already know better.

[img]http://meagainstiniquity.files./2013/04/francismeetsbenedictblackmadonna.jpg[/img]

[img]http://2.bp..com/-8Wq5otDaT-U/VBMdyu-zhNI/AAAAAAAABs0/F8ddkYjEoFY/s1600/Black%2Bmadonna%2Band%2Bwhite%2Bworship.png[/img]

delusions to make urself fell better about serving a Hebrew...but wait! Whatever happened to Amadioha and Ikenga? Why don't u stress urself over Igbo Gods like this?

Here's one for you...you do realize the Romans were expects at collecting bits from those they conquered and refining it to suit their needs
The Goddess Isis carrying the baby Horus, very similar to your black Mary and Jesus
My guess, not only did Horus and Isis inspire the Jesus tale but also his sculptures with Mary, surely then having a few black stones depicting Jesus and Mary isn't out of place

macof:


but retained certain cultural traits that show us the links we have found out

I posted sources which refute your claims and you still blabbering about the same shit? I talk science, you talk with evidence out of your ass. Read what I posted to you then come back with something substantial not make-believe just because it sounds possible to you.

I know you have difficulty to read things then take it into account in your replies to me but here's another scientific source from a reputable mainstream source (Oxford Encyclopedia).

[b]"Archaeological evidence also strongly supports an African origin. A widespread northeastern African cultural assemblage, including distinctive multiple barbed harpoons and pottery decorated with dotted wavy line patterns , appears during the early Neolithic (also known as the Aqualithic, a reference to the mild climate of the Sahara at this time). Saharan and Sudanese rock art from this time resembles early Egyptian iconography. Strong connections between Nubian (Sudanese) and Egyptian material culture continue in later Neolithic Badarian culture of Upper Egypt. Similarities include black-topped wares, vessels with characteristic ripple-burnished surfaces, a special tulip-shaped vessel with incised and white-filled decoration, palettes, and harpoons. [...] Other ancient Egyptian practices show strong similarities to modern African cultures including divine kingship, the use of headrests, body art, circumcision, and male coming-of-age rituals, all suggesting an African substratum or foundation for Egyptian civilization"[/b] - The Oxford encyclopedia of ancient Egypt, Volume 3. Oxford University Press (2001). p.28

Ancient DNA taken from actual Ancient Egyptians mummies (not make believe) also show us that Ancient Egyptians were mostly black Africans similar to current people living in Central, Southern and Western Africa. For example, Ramses III is from the E1b1a lineage (BMJ study). The lineage as the majority of sub-Saharan African people in those regions. The autosomal STR profile of the 18th and 20th Royal Dynasty are mostly prevalent in the Great Lakes, Southern and Western African regions (JAMA, BMJ and DNA Tribes analysis). This could all be a big coincidence, but I doubt it. That's science, not make-believe.

Allow me to repost what I said above about the subject of this thread:

Dragonking:


bros dont misconstrue the idea..what am sayin is that blacks were the true inhabitants of egypt and isreal..try to watch the youtube link i posted.

Israel were not black. Even Ancient Egyptians depicted the Aamu (Palestine and West Asian people) as pale/white Semitic people.

Even if Ancient Egyptians were black, as I believe. It doesn't really matter. Zulu are blacks and it doesn't mean people in Nigeria must adopt Zulu religions or customs.

Same for Jesus. Even if Jesus was black, it doesn't mean we need to adopt his religion. Each people in Africa have their own spiritual beliefs.

While distantly related to each others in time. For example, all Niger-Kordofanian speakers share a common past (at the very least at the time of the proto-Niger-Kordofanian language). We still have evolved and migrated in different regions since that time to become our own people, with our own religions and customs.

Freedom of religions. Freedom of beliefs. Freedom to not believe in any religions (atheism, agnosticism). Religious pluralism. Diversity of religions. Are the best protection against fascism and those who want to restrict our liberty.

At the end of it, each family can even pray and communicate with their own ancestors and grandfathers if they want to. That's African beliefs. It's also true for many traditional spirituality and non-Abrahamic religions around the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlsZkhiSqPE

can anybody explain why President Jonathan and the lovely people of Ijaw wear black hat?