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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 9:28am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
When the certificate issue came out, I encouraged people to go to court. It is more lawful for the court to settle such dispute, but I was disappointed when the APC later said the PDP has bought a judge
I began to ask myself if the change we need is that which will require going to court before our leaders qualifications can be justified.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 9:31am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
The crossed is one arrogance that some of you exhibit. In politics, an hour to election could change a lot. You probably should read how a not-so-popular candidate Sir Michael Agbolade Otedola won the Governorship election in Lagos in 1991.

Brother, Nigerians have made their choices already, the case of otedola, there was no antecedents to judge by. Nigerians know the pdp and the Apc and will judge them by that knowledge not some "we are dirty but the other guy ain't sparkling too" picture you have been trying to paint

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Kolade354(m): 9:32am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
Well, That Asari and Agbaje made ridiculous statements does not justify the more ridiculous statements of the APC and her Chiefs. Last time I check, Asari is not a PDP Chief but a Jonathan's supporter like anybody else. I condemned his threats in strong terms, likewise Agbaje. However, the APC preaching #Change has the responsibility of leading by example and not show itself as "same-same".
As for the bold, who has been in power for that 16 years? This thread should help you out https://www.nairaland.com/2160243/p.d.p-been-ruling-nigeria-15

As for the insult, that was unnecessary.
sorry for d insult bt we cant have a perfect opposition when the ruling party is not setting standard...........Our democracy has not grow enough to that level if you give me 20 atrocity of APC another person will give you 50 atrocity of PDP. We the young generation shld step up cos it is the smae pple we have in political caucus.................Assuming a pdpd govenor who has used 8 yrs in govt house is now contesting for senate again.............Senate president david mark is now going for the 5 time in a row........Come march 28 am voting for buhari cos am preparing for the worst cos I have seen the worse for the past 16 years of pdp-led govt.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 9:34am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:

https://www.nairaland.com/2160243/p.d.p-been-ruling-nigeria-15

Was buhari or Osinbajo ever in the pdp? Those are the people on the Apc ticket, they are the ones seeking our voted

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Goandie: 9:37am On Feb 25, 2015
Obiagelli:

Like i said earlier, i think everyone has made his decision already. Sitting in mud and pointing out stains in others ain't gonna change nothing

not every1 but let just assume half becuz as u know nigerians are unstable, sum pple are still inbetween nd sum will change their mind days be4 election, sum on d day of election dey will just av a change of heart.
But what mi I know is that 90% of d pple I know don't want Gej but who knows I mite be wrong.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 9:39am On Feb 25, 2015
Obiagelli:


Brother, Nigerians have made their choices already, the case of otedola, there was no antecedents to judge by. Nigerians know the pdp and the Apc and will judge them by that knowledge not some "we are dirty but the other guy ain't sparkling too" picture you have been trying to paint
Lemme be frank with you. It is better to live with a Bully than with an hired assassin. A bully can easily be changed, but the assassin has blood in his hands. Changing him is an heinous task. The PDP represent the bully, while the APC represent the assassin. That we need change does not mean we should change from warm water to hell fire. The APC should lead the change in order to earn the trust of Nigerians. So far, they are not just arrogant but are exhibiting the same trait of Obj led PDP, while GEJ has been showing signs of a democratic leader(note the words signs and traits). Nobody wants negative change. Read my write up and please, I wouldn't like to argue whether or not Nigerians minds are made up, because I know that is a scam

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 9:44am On Feb 25, 2015
Kolade354:
sorry for d insult bt we cant have a perfect opposition when the ruling party is not setting standard...........Our democracy has not grow enough to that level if you give me 20 atrocity of APC another person will give you 50 atrocity of PDP. We the young generation shld step up cos it is the smae pple we have in political caucus.................Assuming a pdpd govenor who has used 8 yrs in govt house is now contesting for senate again.............Senate president david mark is now going for the 5 time in a row........Come march 28 am voting for buhari cos am preparing for the worst cos I have seen the worse for the past 16 years of pdp-led govt.
Saraki, APC Chieftain has been 8 Years Governor(flop), Now a Senator and is the Kwara Central APC Candidate.

George Akume a Senator is the Benue Candidate of APC and a Former 8 Years Governor. Same with Danjuma Goje, Abdulahi Adamu and several others. Not limited to Timpre Sylva, a flop Governor and APC Senate Candidate. What about former PDP Chairman Barnabas Germade who is APC Senate Candidate in Benue? Like I said, change does not exist in a vacuum. What about Rabiu Kwankwaso?

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 9:46am On Feb 25, 2015
customized13:
I began to ask myself if the change we need is that which will require going to court before our leaders qualifications can be justified.
Well, left for me, I would want the man to clear the air and approach relevant institutions to get his documents. But since in his own judgement he thinks otherwise, the court becomes the lawful destination for investigators

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by joseph1832(m): 9:50am On Feb 25, 2015
Sincere9gerian:
Only fools believe in the "change" being preached by the hypocrites in APC. The only true change that Nigeria needs at this moment is complete restructuring.
And what about the PDP? The people who believe in GEJ what will you call them? Lemme help a bit, deluded fools!.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Almightyperes: 9:50am On Feb 25, 2015
What APC is shouting is not CHANGE but lies and deception, GEJ has been honest in his government than APC campaign...

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 9:54am On Feb 25, 2015
Goandie:


not every1 but let just assume half becuz as u know nigerians are unstable, sum pple are still inbetween nd sum will change their mind days be4 election, sum on d day of election dey will just av a change of heart.
But what mi I know is that 90% of d pple I know don't want Gej but who knows I mite be wrong.
From all the polls i have seen, on and offline, less than 10% are undecided.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by joseph1832(m): 10:00am On Feb 25, 2015
[quote author=barcanista post=31060910] We can change within the Jonathan led PDP.

If we can "change within the Jonathan led PDP" why can't we "change within the Buhari led APC?".

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:01am On Feb 25, 2015
Almightyperes:
What APC is shouting is not CHANGE but lies and deception, GEJ has been honest in his government than APC campaign...
Sadly, the followers of change do not really care the type of change. They assume that electorates will follow them like a cult-like manner the way they do. I laugh at some of them

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:01am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
Lemme be frank with you. It is better to live with a Bully than with an hired assassin. A bully can easily be changed, but the assassin has blood in his hands. Changing him is an heinous task. The PDP represent the bully, while the APC represent the assassin. That we need change does not mean we should change from warm water to hell fire. The APC should lead the change in order to earn the trust of Nigerians. So far, they are not just arrogant but are exhibiting the same trait of Obj led PDP, while GEJ has been showing signs of a democratic leader(note the words signs and traits). Nobody wants negative change. Read my write up and please, I wouldn't like to argue whether or not Nigerians minds are made up, because I know that is a scam

The Apc and pdp are whatever people opinion of them, yours is "bully and assassin" same i have mine and 68 million eligible voters.
This write up is just an expression of your opinion, all i see is I AM DIRTY BUT THE OTHER GUY AINT SPARKLING.
Pig and cow rather than bully/assassin

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:03am On Feb 25, 2015
joseph1832:
If we can "change within the Jonathan led PDP" why can't we "change within the Buhari led APC?".
Because Buhari is not incharge of APC while Jonathan has consolidated his hold on PDP. APC is led by the same hawks with questionable characters, and they are fully in-charge. If you shout change, you must bring something to the table and not allow us to keep assuming.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by WisdomFlakes: 10:04am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
I believe that huge responsibility lies in the APC to show us the change. Shouting change without leading the change amounts to unseriousness and hypocrisy. We can't gamble to have such a group in power

Speak for yourself bro. It's fine if you personally aren't convinced or won over by the APC's plans for Nigeria, however there's an army of intelligent and sincere Nigerians who disagree with you on that and have their minds made up to vote for Change, maybe not necessarily coz GEJ is a rogue (which i believe he is) but rather coz it's healthy for our democracy to mature to that point when we the people in the majority can band together and vote to replace an underperforming and incompetent incumbent and party. What PDP can't do in 15 years, they certainly won't achieve in another 4.

I think you try too hard to come across as smart but you beginning to sound more like an FFK -- a shameless hypocrite.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by joseph1832(m): 10:04am On Feb 25, 2015
Almightyperes:
What APC is shouting is not CHANGE but lies and deception, GEJ has been honest in his government than APC campaign...
Is that so? So GEJ and the military saying they've reached a cease fire with Boko Haram and that they'll secure the release of the Chibok girls within a week were not lies?.

What do you really know of honesty when your reasoning is lop sided?!.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:06am On Feb 25, 2015
Obiagelli:


The Apc and pdp are whatever people opinion of them, yours is "bully and assassin" same i have mine and 68 million eligible voters.
This write up is just an expression of your opinion, all i see is I AM DIRTY BUT THE OTHER GUY AINT SPARKLING.
Pig and cow rather than bully/assassin
Read the original post, I specifically point out some undemocratic tendencies by the APC which you are yet to address, but you keep saying "people are already decided". The same fake assumption of Romney which costs him 2012. I can't be doing a back and forth argument

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by joseph1832(m): 10:08am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
Because Buhari is not incharge of APC while Jonathan has consolidated his old on PDP. APC is led by the same hawks with questionable characters, and they are fully in-charge. If you shout change, you must bring something to the table and not allow us to keep assuming.
And just how do you know Buhari isn't in charge of the APC? When GEJ occupied Aso Rock who was in charge of PDP? Now according to you, he's in charge of the PDP, all the more reason I know once Buhari occupies Aso Rock, the likes of Tinubu and whoever believes they're in charge of the ACP will really know who's in charge!.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by warrior01: 10:10am On Feb 25, 2015
Just imagine the change agents of the devil that couldn't come clean about the whereabouts of the walking corpse known as their presidential candidate, couldn't let him face scrutiny from Nigerians he wants to lead and to cap it all, if APC tells you good morning, you better check your wrist watch to know if it's actually true. Tufiakwa, I can only stick with the man that truly wishes Nigerians the best and that's Gej.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by WisdomFlakes: 10:11am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
Because Buhari is not incharge of APC while Jonathan has consolidated his old on PDP. APC is led by the same hawks with questionable characters, and they are fully in-charge. If you shout change, you must bring something to the table and not allow us to keep assuming.

You sound so silly. GEJ wasn't incharge 4 years ago either when OBJ was breathing down his neck. He led everyone on into thinking he was dumb till recently. It's therefore presumptuous of you to act as though you can predict how independent Buhari'll operate when in office.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Mylove55(f): 10:15am On Feb 25, 2015
Acepens:
THIS THREAD IN SUMAMARY

[size=14pt]GEJ TILL TINUBU's TEETH IS PURE WHITE[/size] tongue grin
to make d matter dey simple for u saTANiod,even if all d criminal in pdp decide to join apc,that is their cup of tea,that wil not change my mind,d only thing i know,buhari jail jonadunce,anini and 'okpolo eye' maduake, even if buhari no do any other work for 4yrs.just retrieve our trillions.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:15am On Feb 25, 2015
joseph1832:
And just how do you know Buhari isn't in charge of the APC? When GEJ occupied Aso Rock who was in charge of PDP? Now according to you, he's in charge of the PDP, all the more reason I know once Buhari occupies Aso Rock, the likes of Tinubu and whoever believes they're in charge of the ACP will really know who's in charge!.
GEJ rose to power via divine providence or by accident. After elected for his first term in 2011, he fell out with some people who think they can Lord over him and the same people moved in droves to APC. Buhari has been seeking power since 2003. He has been the man in charge in ANPP and CPC. In fact, in 2007, he disagreed with his party and pursued his case to Supreme Court alone. He left the ANPP when he couldn't bear them and formed the CPC where his influence again was exerted. But since his APC days, we haven't seen the same Buhari HONESTLY. That shows something is wrong. It is either he has been clipped or he has compromised. He is not in charge

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by major466(m): 10:17am On Feb 25, 2015
Sincere9gerian:
Only fools believe in the "change" being preached by the hypocrites in APC. The only true change that Nigeria needs at this moment is complete restructuring.
True Federalism.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:19am On Feb 25, 2015
Some boys here also needs to change their boxers. Some have worn theirs for straight 6days now
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by WisdomFlakes: 10:22am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
GEJ rose to power via divine providence or by accident. After elected to power, he fell out with some people who think they can Lord over him and the same people moved in droves to APC. Buhari has been seeking power since 2003. He has been the man in charge in ANPP and CPC. In fact, in 2007, he disagreed with his party and pursued his case to Supreme Court alone. He left the ANPP when he couldn't bare them and formed the CPC where his influence again was exerted. But since his APC days, we haven't seen the same Buhari HONESTLY. That shows something is wrong. It is either he has been clipped or he has compromised. He is not in charge

Did you just say by GEJ got into office by divine providence?? O.k, that's it for me. This hommie is certified hopeless. If you actually believe that bullshyt then you certainly aren't rational enough to converse with.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by zimoni(f): 10:23am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
Saraki, APC Chieftain has been 8 Years Governor(flop), Now a Senator and is the Kwara Central APC Candidate.

George Akume a Senator is the Benue Candidate of APC and a Former 8 Years Governor. Same with Danjuma Goje, Abdulahi Adamu and several others. Not limited to Timpre Sylva, a flop Governor and APC Senate Candidate. What about former PDP Chairman Barnabas Germade who is APC Senate Candidate in Benue? Like I said, change does not exist in a vacuum. What about Rabiu Kwankwaso?

The Same People Who Ruined Nigeria/PDP Are Now Chanting Change.

God Bless You Bro.

Tell Them. Keep On Telling Them.


The GrandPa is in London now, yet THESE CHANGE AGENTS find it so difficult to convince the GrandPa to collect his certificate from Cambridge.

Tinubu said with or without Certificate, Buhari is winning. Imagine a Presidential Candidate who doesn't have a minimum requirement which is JUST WASC (O Level) Certificate.

Too Badt.



Change Kor, Senji Nii.



Jonathan Till 2019.


Jonathan Till GrandPa found his WASC Certificate.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by zimoni(f): 10:30am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
GEJ rose to power via divine providence or by accident. After elected to power, he fell out with some people who think they can Lord over him and the same people moved in droves to APC. Buhari has been seeking power since 2003. He has been the man in charge in ANPP and CPC. In fact, in 2007, he disagreed with his party and pursued his case to Supreme Court alone. He left the ANPP when he couldn't bare them and formed the CPC where his influence again was exerted. But since his APC days, we haven't seen the same Buhari HONESTLY. That shows something is wrong. It is either he has been clipped or he has compromised. He is not in charge


Thank You.


Tell Them.

Keep Telling Them.


THE SAME PEOPLE WHO RUINED NIGERIA (INCLUDING THEIR CHIEF NAVIGATOR) ARE THE ONES CALLING SHOT IN HAYFEECEE

SO, WHAT HAS CHANGED?

THE QUESTION IS, WHAT HAS CHANGED?



Change Kor, Senji Ni.


Jonathan Till 2019.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by bamosagie(m): 10:34am On Feb 25, 2015
Kolade354:
sorry for d insult bt we cant have a perfect opposition when the ruling party is not setting standard...........Our democracy has not grow enough to that level if you give me 20 atrocity of APC another person will give you 50 atrocity of PDP. We the young generation shld step up cos it is the smae pple we have in political caucus.................Assuming a pdpd govenor who has used 8 yrs in govt house is now contesting for senate again.............Senate president david mark is now going for the 5 time in a row........Come march 28 am voting for buhari cos am preparing for the worst cos I have seen the worse for the past 16 years of pdp-led govt.

I totally disagree with you, we can and should have a perfect opposition. untill now election for PDP have always been a stroll in the park, a strong opposition changed the equation, a perfect opposition will strengthen our democracy and promote good governance.
Unfortunately, APC is towing the dirty path; propaganda and violence will not only lead to uneccesary lost of trust, lifes and properties. if we are not careful it may also truncate this democracy.
Being responsible in government and opposition is the real change we should demand as a people, other things will fall in place afterward.
what we need are strong institutions, they are the real agent of change.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Kingofdevils: 10:35am On Feb 25, 2015
demelza:
Barcanista, Im still pleading. Connect me to the money source that is making you sing a new song.
I have about 4 weddings in March and April and it involves numerous aso ebi. Its a lot of money involved. Help na!

Buhari is a terrorist
Apc Is bokoharam
Gej till 2019

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by medamillion(m): 10:38am On Feb 25, 2015
Funniest thing is that this same OP created this thread, showing (in picture), how Nigerians have suffered under GEJ
https://www.nairaland.com/1983293/photo-speak-events-defined-jonathan
Now you want us to vote for GEJ for another four years.

He also let us know about the Hall of Shame inductees in Jonathan's government
https://www.nairaland.com/2063233/nigerias-hall-shame-2014-inductees

LET's HAVE A CHANGE

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:41am On Feb 25, 2015
bamosagie:


I totally disagree with you, we can and should have a perfect opposition. untill now election for PDP have always been a stroll in the park, a strong opposition changed the equation, a perfect opposition will strengthen our democracy and promote good governance.
Unfortunately, APC is towing the dirty path, propaganda and violence will not only lead to uneccesary violence, lost of trust, lifes and properties. if we are not careful it may truncate this democracy.
Being responsible in government and opposition is the real change we should demand as a people, other things will fall in place afterward.
what we need are strong institutions, they are the real agent of change.
We keep pointing out that the alternative we need is not the worse version of the PDP but a better version. Opposition party and leaders lead by example. They can't expect us to hope that things fall in place should they get to power, when their actions and antecedents are nothing to write home about. I am very passionate about change but not desperate. Nigerians I believe need to see the broom people to know whether or not they need their own version of rhetoric change

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