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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:42am On Feb 25, 2015
Kingofdevils:


Buhari is a terrorist
Apc Is bokoharam
Gej till 2019
My guy where you de since? leave that girl jare
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by orimsamsam(m): 10:42am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
Lemme be frank with you. It is better to live with a Bully than with an hired assassin. A bully can easily be changed, but the assassin has blood in his hands. Changing him is an heinous task. The PDP represent the bully, while the APC represent the assassin. That we need change does not mean we should change from warm water to hell fire. The APC should lead the change in order to earn the trust of Nigerians. So far, they are not just arrogant but are exhibiting the same trait of Obj led PDP, while GEJ has been showing signs of a democratic leader(note the words signs and traits). Nobody wants negative change. Read my write up and please, I wouldn't like to argue whether or not Nigerians minds are made up, because I know that is a scam
poverty na bastard.
So pdp is naw a bully instead of a higher assasine. Pdp is naw a warm water instead of the hell it is making nigeria to pass through. Bros i just hope u remove ur tithe wen your next pay arrive. And i wont be surprise if you are become a moderator on nl
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by joseph1832(m): 10:44am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
GEJ rose to power via divine providence or by accident. After elected for his first term in 2011, he fell out with some people who think they can Lord over him and the same people moved in droves to APC. Buhari has been seeking power since 2003. He has been the man in charge in ANPP and CPC. In fact, in 2007, he disagreed with his party and pursued his case to Supreme Court alone. He left the ANPP when he couldn't bear them and formed the CPC where his influence again was exerted. But since his APC days, we haven't seen the same Buhari HONESTLY. That shows something is wrong. It is either he has been clipped or he has compromised. He is not in charge
Wait till he occupies Aso Rock and you'll know for sure GMB is still GMB. After all, before GEJ became president, he was nothing more than a stooge!.

You of all people should know that sometimes, good and bad have to join forces to over come evil.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:45am On Feb 25, 2015
Obiagelli:

And the PDP has not delivered that restructuring in 15yrs
Then if APC is not offering anything different, then we can continue with our turn by turn Nigeria limited. The southsouth should be allowed to complete it's 8 years and the north should wait and takes it's turn in 2019

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Truckpusher(m): 10:47am On Feb 25, 2015
No political party has ever succeeded by lying and killing their way through.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:49am On Feb 25, 2015
Truckpusher:
No political party has ever succeeded by lying and killing their way through.
Lol, that was a funny one.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Truckpusher(m): 10:50am On Feb 25, 2015
Sincere9gerian:

Then if APC is not offering anything different, then we can continue with our turn by turn Nigeria limited. The southsouth should be allowed to complete it's 8 years and the north should wait and takes it's turn in 2019
grin grin Lmao at the highlighted part.

Welcome back sir.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by dridowu: 10:51am On Feb 25, 2015
During 2011 election , electorate claim they are voting GEJ not PDP because they believe in the "CHANGE/DREAM" of GEJ
Now, i am voting Buhari not APC because i believe in the "CHANGE/DREAM" of Buhari.
So my vote is not for sale
So my vote is for GMB/PYO
#SaiBuhari15

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Truckpusher(m): 10:53am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
Lol, that was a funny one.
That is exactly what is happening . grin

Jona dun suffer for their hand . grin
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Mylove55(f): 10:53am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
Saraki, APC Chieftain has been 8 Years Governor(flop), Now a Senator and is the Kwara Central APC Candidate.

George Akume a Senator is the Benue Candidate of APC and a Former 8 Years Governor. Same with Danjuma Goje, Abdulahi Adamu and several others. Not limited to Timpre Sylva, a flop Governor and APC Senate Candidate. What about former PDP Chairman Barnabas Germade who is APC Senate Candidate in Benue? Like I said, change does not exist in a vacuum. What about Rabiu Kwankwaso?
let their constituency decide that,if they prefer apc senator saraki to pdp candidate,but in buhari we trust,let d pple decide if they prefer buhari to gej,don't spam dis forum again with this ur thread of buhari accepting criminals from pdp,are we voting those criminals,if u don't know what to write again,better take 2wks break to enable u reason well.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:54am On Feb 25, 2015
Truckpusher:
That is exactly what is happening . grin

Jona dun suffer for their hand . grin
That's because nobody has been talking about the opposition. cheesy cheesy
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Truckpusher(m): 10:55am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
That's because nobody has been talking about the opposition. cheesy cheesy
If you talk about them anyhow them go curse your life yama. grin
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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Truckpusher(m): 10:58am On Feb 25, 2015
Mylove55:
let their constituency decide that,if they prefer apc senator saraki to pdp candidate,but in buhari we trust,let d pple decide if they prefer buhari to gej,don't spam dis forum again with this ur thread of buhari accepting criminals from pdp,are we voting those criminals,if u don't know what to write again,better take 2wks break to enable u reason well.
Why is this Barcanista giving you folks sleepless nights? undecided

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:58am On Feb 25, 2015
Truckpusher:
If you talk about them anyhow them go curse your life yama. grin
Abuse and shouting down of dissenting voice is the most undemocratic attitude in any society and in contravention of our fundamental right as Nigerians and Africans. Whoever cannot tolerate freedom of expression can never be the change

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 10:59am On Feb 25, 2015
Truckpusher:
Why is this Barcanista giving you folks sleepless nights? undecided
No mind the guy... He say make I go on 2 weeks break... cheesy cheesy

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by jay44(m): 11:00am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
This Thread is by no means declaring Goodluck Jonathan and the PDP as Saints, however, since the opposition can't give us the desired change in attitude, characters and their antecedents, plus with the influx of men of questionable integrity into the opposition, it is safe to assume that we can't get any change from such a group. We can change within the Jonathan led PDP.

As usual, I will ignore every unwarranted attack on my person and won't be drawn into any e-brawl with anyone.


i tink d change shld start frm u. today u r hia, tomorow u r dia.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Kingofdevils: 11:01am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
My guy where you de since? leave that girl jare

You mean berem?


grin

Bro Opiaoku is on short holiday but as you know me naa am everywhere with different from but still on one mission which is Gej till 2019


Give it to them Apc bastards are on the run.


But bro it may surprise you that you're my enemy on the football club side

Am a man city fan

But it's not yet over remember toure will be back in second leg to terrorise rakitic

Am sad now
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by dein77(m): 11:04am On Feb 25, 2015
Indeed, the broom wavers are the ones who really need to change.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 11:04am On Feb 25, 2015
Kingofdevils:


You mean berem?


grin

Bro Opiaoku is on short holiday but as you know me naa am everywhere with different from but still on one mission which is Gej till 2019


Give it to them Apc bastards are on the run.


But bro it may surprise you that you're my enemy on the football club side

Am a man city fan

But it's not yet over remember toure will be back in second leg to terrorise rakitic

Am sad now
Well I feel your pains(as a Man City fan). You should know what happened last season. The truth is that City are not yet on that level but have seriously improved unlike the red side of manchester. I expect a good game at Camp Nou and a victory for the Catalan. 2015 is our Year.

God Bless Opiaoku
God Bless Jonathan, President 2010-2019
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Truckpusher(m): 11:07am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
Abuse and shouting down of dissenting voice is the most undemocratic attitude in any society and in contravention of our fundamental right as Nigerians and Africans. Whoever cannot tolerate freedom of expression can never be the change
Any institution that can't accommodate any dissenting voice in any democracy should never be taken serious by the electorates because I don't see that party listening to the yearning and aspirations of the people .It would always gag,threaten and breach all known fundamental human rights if they find themselves in a fix and they needed the masses to shut up.

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by chamboy(m): 11:10am On Feb 25, 2015
Change is when u start putting Pressure in our leaders... If we change Jonah Today the next government would run with much pressure on dem, dey knw if dey can't deliver dey would b booted out.
That's wat I call change.

PDP/GEJ lack Pressure, d only way to make dem beta is by removing dem. Period
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 11:13am On Feb 25, 2015
Truckpusher:
Any institution that can't accommodate any dissenting voice in any democracy should never be taken serious by the electorates because I don't see that party listening to the yearning and aspirations of the people .It would always gag,threaten and breach all known fundamental human rights if they find themselves in a fix and they needed the masses to shut up.
Imagine the LASG telling a taxpayer that "They won't release any document that he requested to see". Imagine the sheer arrogance from a "change" agent

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 11:14am On Feb 25, 2015
chamboy:
Change is when u start putting Pressure in our leaders... If we change Jonah Today the next government would run with much pressure on dem, dey knw if dey can't deliver dey would b booted out.
That's wat I call change.

PDP/GEJ lack Pressure, d only way to make dem beta is by removing dem. Period
Bro, whoever is not faithful with little things can't be faithful with bigger responsibility
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Mylove55(f): 11:14am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
Because Buhari is not incharge of APC while Jonathan has consolidated his hold on PDP. APC is led by the same hawks with questionable characters, and they are fully in-charge. If you shout change, you must bring something to the table and not allow us to keep assuming.
give buhari just 4yrs and see if he is not in charge,he is not like jonamumu,when pple around him wil be stealing without taking any action against them,look at common civil servant maina,almighty minister madueke and those subsidy scammers like ifeanyi uba etc.let us join buhari to fight this fight.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Kingofdevils: 11:16am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
Well I feel your pains(as a Man City fan). You should know what happened last season. The truth is that City are not yet on that level but have seriously improved unlike the red side of manchester. I expect a good game at Camp Nou and a victory for the Catalan. 2015 is our Year.

God Bless Opiaoku
God Bless Jonathan, President 2010-2019

Don't get your hopes high because yesterday you guys dominated the mid field because our manage r played milner 10 fernando 4 but in return leg expect fernadinho 4 yaya toure 10 and you know how i dey take be grin
I have faith in Aguero and yaya toure


Well am getting over it i hate suarez



It's always

Gej till 2019
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by jay44(m): 11:17am On Feb 25, 2015
chamboy:
Change is when u start putting Pressure in our leaders... If we change Jonah Today the next government would run with much pressure on dem, dey knw if dey can't deliver dey would b booted out.
That's wat I call change.

PDP/GEJ lack Pressure, d only way to make dem beta is by removing dem. Period


am wit u 100% on dis wan. jona nd his peple went to slip ova 6yrs. dey taught 2nd term re -election wud b a stroll in d pack. nw he realised it gonna b tough nd wants to perform magic in 6 weeks. dey cant decieve evry1. i like d challenge d opposition brings.whoever becoms president nw will av to sit up nd perform credibly well or else he will b voted out.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 11:25am On Feb 25, 2015
Kingofdevils:


Don't get your hopes high because yesterday you guys dominated the mid field because our manage r played milner 10 fernando 4 but in return leg expect fernadinho 4 yaya toure 10 and you know how i dey take be grin
I have faith in Aguero and yaya toure


Well am getting over it i hate suarez



It's always

Gej till 2019
My guy, Toure was nowhere to be found last season. You guys keep forgetting that Toure was our boy. He is good but will be caged like last season. This is a guarantee
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Kingofdevils: 11:28am On Feb 25, 2015
barcanista:
My guy, Toure was nowhere to be found last season. You guys keep forgetting that Toure was our boy. He is good but will be caged like last season. This is a guarantee
angry embarassed
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by StunningCEO: 11:37am On Feb 25, 2015
[s]That Nigeria need change is not an understatement. Every sector of our economy needs change. But one question is what kind of change do we need as a country and as a people?

1. Change From Lawlessness To Being Law Abiding:
We all want a law abiding society where the rule of law is held supreme irrespective of our emotions. Some of us were shocked when Governor Amaechi and other APC leaders promised to ignore the election tribunal and setup an alternative government should the PDP rig the 2015 election(by their own judgement). According to the words of the Chairman Chief John Oyegun in August 2014,
The APC repeated the same in November 2014 and January 2015. The party till date has not retracted the statement and it makes one worry about the change they preach.

If a party that has been preaching change is making repeated promise of forming illegitimate parallel government just because they believed the election was manipulated to favour the incumbent rather than go to court, then Where is the change? Should we sink deeper into such a state of lawlessness? How justified is it for one to be the complainant, the judge and the executor at the same time? What Nigeria need is not this kind of change where a group of people will publicly declare their own communique above the courts.
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/apc-ups-the-ante-insists-on-parallel-government-if-election-is-rigged-/198345/

2. A Change From Undemocratic To Democratic Tenets
After the March 2011 NN24 Debate boycott by the duo of President Jonathan and VP Namadi Sambo, some of us were very mad at the President and his vice for such an inglorious act. In fact, Pastor Tunder Bakare, the CPC's VP Candidate for the election specifically said "PDP's absence is arrogance of impunity". Fast forward to 2015, the APC first announced boycott of the NEDG Organised debate citing bias and partisanship of the promoters, which to the judgement of neutrals is justifiable. However, the APC Presidential Council also announced their boycott of the ChannelsTV/ARISE TV/NPAN organised debate citing excuse that any sane mind will not just accept. The purpose of debate in any election is to tell electorates your programmes, give them reason they should thumb-print for you beyond party affiliation, and an opportunity to prove that you have better policies and programmes when placed side-by-side with the Incumbent and other contestants. I have never seen a sane society where opposition shut their doors behind anything Presidential debate and instead arrogantly opt for "Town Hall Meeting" where fellow party men and allies will be asking already known question. During the Osun guber election, Omisore boycotted the debate with incumbent Aregbesola of APC and it earned him lots of jibes. Political debate is part of democratic process, it is arrogant on the side of a party to ignore this important program.

3. A Change of The Drivers of Change:
I can recall during the period leading to the APC's Presidential Primary how some of us were routing for General Buhari to emerge flagbearer. Though everyone with his/her own reason, some of us believe that he has the assertiveness of a leader, the incorruptible record(though some think otherwise), and his zeal to serve the country. We had expected him to take charge of his party and lead the change. But what did we get? The same Buhari that debated in 2007 and 2011 due to party decision couldn't debate in 2015. The same Buhari that wouldn't tolerate inciting/treasonable statements as Head of State in 1984-85 kept mute when his party men repeatedly promised Alternative government. The same Buhari that obeyed the law and went to court in 2003, 2007(despite his party's betrayal) and 2011 couldn't offer any word when his party promise to ignore the court and setup an illegal government if by their own judgement the election was rigged. This is a pointer that he is not in charge. The VP candidate Prof. Osinbajo appears more than the Presidential Candidate Buhari. Known for his anti-corruption policies, Buhari once said he will probe past officials only for his party Chairman Mr. John Oyegun to say they have all agreed to let "by-gone be by-gone" but rather face the challenges they will meet. Gen Buhari never countered the Chairman's statement which seem to appear more like a consensus. If General Buhari cannot exert his own influence as Presidential candidate like he did during his ANPP and CPC days, what becomes of him should he get elected President? Will he be an Executive President or a Ceremonial President?

4. A Change In The Promoters of Change
Looking at the promoters of change, you will find ex-Govs, Senators, ex-VP, ex-PDP National Chairmen, ex-this and ex-that. Men that has been in leadership with little or nothing to show. Not just that, some of the incumbents who are promoters of change also need to change themselves. A government that refuses to disclose invoices to citizen and bluntly refuse to tell how monies were spent cannot be the change as seen in Lagos and Oyo specifically. A government that signed into law FAT pay for themselves and their puppeteers in the name of pension as seen in Kwara, Lagos, Rivers, Gombe, Edo States among others can never be the change. A Government that arrests peaceful LASU protesters who were demanding reduction in tuition and even charged them for "Breach of Public Peace" cannot lead a federal government where protest is bound. What we are saying is that the Movers of Change lead by example. Mere rhetoric is not enough. Change Agents in any democracy are not known for shielding friends who has allegation on their neck, rather they encourage the friends to go prove their innocence. These are the kind of change promoters we need. Not the ones that accused the President of shielding Dizani and Abba Moro while they themselves shielded Admiral Nyako before he went exile.

5. A Change Backed By Rule of Law
At the peak of Buhari's Certificate brohuaha, the APC and INEC had told whoever is unsatisfied with the document submitted by General Buhari to go to court, which is the rightful thing to do. Some people went to court which is the rightful thing to do. However, the same APC in January 29 alleged that PDP has bought a judge to disqualify Buhari. In the words of Alhaji Shehu Garba the Buhari's Campaign Spokesman

This is not only pathetic but unacceptable. That statement is a premeditated one that is capable of causing anarchy should the court grant the prayers of the litigants. I believe it is lawful and democratic for the APC to prepare for their defence and not heat up the polity. Nobody is above the law. Judgement could go either way as no one institute a lawsuit with hope of losing. We don't need this kind of change.

6. A Change In The Attitude of The Followers of "Change"
I believe that the followers of the change train also need change themselves. In a democracy, criticism of party politics when not in consonant with ones personal judgement should be encouraged, while thoughtful engagement with those of dissenting views should be welcomed. As humans, we are wired to view things from each our own perspective. Rather than sweep pertinent issues, followers of change train have the responsibility of seeing that things are done right by leaders and not absorb everything hook line and sinker "trusting in the judgement of party chiefs"(which could be flawed). Change followers are to show the people in the other divide why they believe there is need for change and not a "Accept change or get lost" kind of attitude. Change followers need to get influenced by the change they preach before expecting others to sign-up with their change. A Change follower that sees nothing wrong with the action of Lagos State House of Assembly when they adjourned parliamentary sitting just to go to Bourdillon Road to pledge absolute loyalty to an unelected Jagaban is not sincere about change. Change cannot exist in vacuum, it does not just come when someone assumes power, it stems from within.[/s]

me too o. I need protect o. it is sweet.. catch am, catch am tiv tiv tiv, catch am catch am rogue rogue rogue. catch am catch am robber robber. abami singin grin grin grin grin grin

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Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Blankstare(m): 12:17pm On Feb 25, 2015
This barca guy,the 100 degrees turn around you did is really amazing and to even think you 've been playing to the gallery with APC all the while is uncomprehensible. Change indeed is the most permanent thing in life.
Re: The Change We Need "El Cambio Que Necesitamos" by Nobody: 12:19pm On Feb 25, 2015
Sincere9gerian:

Then if APC is not offering anything different, then we can continue with our turn by turn Nigeria limited. The southsouth should be allowed to complete it's 8 years and the north should wait and takes it's turn in 2019

Turn by turn to a sane mind should be incumbent and opposition till we find the right balance. Not region, religion or tribe.

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