KoloOyinbo:



I tend to be non denominational. My references to work & fees are to rebuke your rather stupid aspersions on my intelligence.

I apply my intelligence to study of scripture and suggest that if you did the same instead of looking at verses in isolation then you would realise that your own minority interpretation is most certainly non the only one!

MY understanding is of scripture and the modern world to which its message applies! I am not sure about tithes and offerings in Churches in countries other than Ireland and the UK. When I go to any Church in Naija I tend to just make a donation at the appropriate point. I am never in one place for long enough to consider joining any of the congregations.

brocab:
So you don't tithe, good sign.
Still with Pride-rebuke what you like-you are still avoiding by not answering my Question, since we started our conversations, I have asked you to quote scripture to back up any faery you have, proving we are not near to the end of day's.
With all the happenings we are retrieving at a faster rate, even to this day, you haven't proving I'm wrong in scripture?
If you are studying bible scriptures, then why haven't you quoted any scripture written in text from any bible verse.
Maybe your not studying bible scriptures, maybe the Torah-Quran, or other?
That could be why you are not sharing about Jesus.
Because with the bible you need to be spirit filled to even understand it, as the bible is spiritual not carnal.
And to receive the Holy spirit to teach you in bible scripture, you must become born again, and to do that you must believe in Christ.
Not just say I know of him, you must believe.
And of course you won't know if this world's coming to a end either way.
You may only be just a mechanic, or maybe just a dreamer, or even you may work in a office, or maybe begging in the street, in Christ it makes no difference how high you think you are, Christ is above.
Or would you prefer if I got on my knees, as the little man you are, just to look up to you-in Christ he meets us half way-and half way is where I will meet you also.
In Christ your intelligence as you put it, means nothing.

KoloOyinbo:


The scripture points to vague signs. I don't need to quote these you have already done so. Even those vague signs have not been fulfilled!

Don't get me wrong the world will end one day! The Bible is quite correct about that. But there is absolutely no sign that that end is anywhere near. The only constant has been the two millennia of unintelligent misinterpretation and prediction that it is imminent.

This debate has been raging for thousands of years and I see no indication that all of a sudden YOU have got it right where all before you have been wrong!

God gave us our intelligence and want us to use it. So what better place to start than with his scripture. Look for understanding of the message. NOT vague allegory's and metaphors. Perhaps YOU need to receive the Holy Spirit.

In any case as I have pointed out. Belief in WHEN this happens is not a central part of ANY Christian denomination and irrelevant to salvation. You just need to accept that it is a minority (usually the more literally and fundamentalist) of denominations and indeed individuals that think the end is imminent. Most (as I think - normal) Christians disagree with this myopic viewpoint.

brocab:
I wasn't rude I was quoting with the Catholic's, I really believed you are nuttie, but after speaking with these Catholic's they are even nuttier.
But to stop an argument, if you can't see any of the signs. Than I pray for you brother, that the Lord will reveal it to you.

KoloOyinbo:


So people who believe the end times are not here yet are nutty! The rest of the world is nutty except for a small group of weird Christians (at least they are still Christians). And the Catholics - the largest Christian group - is even nuttier than me! I seem to be in very good company! lol

I'm afraid I cant except 'the rest of the world is mad except for me' argument. There is a simple reason why the vast majority of Christians don't believe we are anywhere near end times! Simply when we look at the prophesies they just don't seem to be happening yet! They are so vague that almost anything can be twisted to fit them!

Don't worry about argument this one will still be raging just as fiercely thousand of years from now!

brocab:
Not me bro, I won't last that 1000 mark-I will be well and truly past.
I suppose if ones not looking, for the end time events, than one won't find.
Its out there, if you know where to look, the prophesies have been coming to past, 2001 9,11, is a good start, you will find that in Revelations 17.
Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, tells us of the weather patterns, strange weather-rumours of wars, Thess 5, rebuilding the temple, today the Jews are preparing the structure of this same temple-training Levities priest as it was back then-as it was before Jesus died, and rose again.
Its out there bro, if you know where to look.
Marshall law, agenda 21, already in the USA and around the globe-they have opened up fema camps, inside are guillotines, gas champers, burners, This is not your advance everyday findings.
Technology, has come at a faster rate, and you may say when one writes about end time events, you believe one is pushing to draw people towards the Lord, I will do what it takes to be a watchman, even the Atheist are calling the shots and starting to see the changers, this world has to offer. Everyone is being watched.
But hey what the blind don't see, the blind don't know.

KoloOyinbo:


Weather patterns and strange rumours of war! Are you actually serious? You read the Bible, miss the message and can only come up with vague rubbish like this? There have ALWAYS been these. No more, no less!

And EVERYTHING you are saying has been said before for nearly two thousand years. Were all those other misguided Christians wrong and the ones today right? Oh! I forgot, that was said too!

I weep for our great religion that it is reduced to this.

As for the "Marshall law, agenda 21, already in the USA and around the globe-they have opened up fema camps, inside are guillotines, gas champers, burners, This is not your advance everyday findings."

Give me a break. Conspiracy theories etc etc. Rejoin the real world and proper religion.

End times indeed! When the Sun goes red giant in several hundred million years from now and the earth is destroyed by fire we can say you are right. Until then I shall simply smile at my fundamentalist brothers who see the words but not the message!

brocab:
No one said its the end of the world. Are you really serious?
Than" this is normal to you, they have always talked about this, for 1000's of years, of course your a time traveller, how stupid can I be?
Did they have this technology, 2000 years ago back in your days?
But it's amazing, all this is written in the bible, some not yet happened, as the Lord had said: when you hear of these things, know that the end is near.
What is proper religion?
You read the bible, miss the message and come up with vague rubbish like this?
In stead of bagging, lets see your answer to Matthew Mark and Luke, end time events.
And why the Lord was warning us, when we hear of these last moments, and why we should watch.
This will be interesting?
Evolution said this world is a hundred million years old.

KoloOyinbo:


Evolution does not say the world is 100 million years old! Physics says it is 4.5 thousand million years old. Please at least get that right.

The so called end time are so VAGUE anything can be said to comply with them and people like you have been claiming that since just after Jesus! As for calling me a time traveller? Is that the best you can come up with when failing to justify your distorted view of Christianity?

You want me to take isolated verses and debate them. If you cant see the message as a whole you wont see it in isolated verses.

Don't worry you are still a Christian just one the fundamentalist fringe.

brocab:
Thanks for the answer.
Its all I needed.
You failed the Question?
Yes I want you to take verses and debate them, and you can't, because your not a believer, and any believer in Christ knows what's coming.
And you don't. You show no Intelligence.

KoloOyinbo:


Please don't call me NOT a believer.

It is incorrect, rude, insulting and unchristian!

I AM a believer and did not insult you in that manner despite your 'fringe' beliefs!

I don't debate with you because I have found it would take pages and pages and fundamentalists lack the basic understanding to follow any such debate. Also I already explained you cannot debate ISOLATED verses. I guess even that is beyond your limited understanding. Sorry if this seems a bit abusive but you have questioned my Faith and you have no concept of the contempt I fell for any supposed Christian who does that!

It is not about WHAT is coming but WHEN did you miss that throughout ALL the posts! And that will not be for a long time yet!

brocab:
And its not un Christian to call someone an unbeliever, by there fruits you will know them.
And your fruit has not proved you are a Christian.

Well you tell me what I had missed in any verses about the end times?

And it don't take pages and pages of study, the Holy Spirit will lead us both if we asked him to debate what Jesus has written in Matthew Mark and Luke.

5minsmadness:
Kolooyinbo & brocab

What say you folks agree to disagree?

When the end time comes is not as important as being ready for it, whether the endtimes means the end of the world or the end of one's life. The important thing is to live your life the way Christ would have wanted it.

5minsmadness:
Kolooyinbo & brocab

What say you folks agree to disagree?

When the end time comes is not as important as being ready for it, whether the endtimes means the end of the world or the end of one's life. The important thing is to live your life the way Christ would have wanted it.

KoloOyinbo:


Yes that was my point exactly! And not one I appreciate being called not a Christian for!

brocab:
If that was your point saying I had missed the verse-then you didn't listen earlier in my scripts when I said, repent and ask for forgiveness, that's telling you to get ready, because the end is near.

So you were the one that missed the mark.
And you still have not answered, what is the real religion?
Plus every Christian I have spoken to always quotes scriptures, why because scriptures backs up words.
Everything I wrote about end times was the word of God-and you disagreed with the word of God.

KoloOyinbo:



I disagreed with your vague misinterpretation of it!

This argument has been going on for over a thousand years! To debate scripture properly would take more space than we have here and more time that I have to spare for you. In any case you already have your mind made up. Fundamentalists never change their point of view and as long as they are doing no harm should be left to their little fantasies. I just don't appreciate you saying I am not a Christian. We disagreed about timing. That does NOT invalidate the Christianity of either party and it is to your shame that you imply so. Different denominations have very different viewpoints on much more crucial issues that this but can still recognise each others Christianity!

That is about the fourth time I have stated this but you keep coming back with - well I dont know what? I am contented about my own personal salvation and this does NOT depend on the fundamentalism of those twisting vague scriptural references.

brocab:
Maybe you should listen to your own words more often, weren't you the one judging me with your religious groupies, on the other page.

brocab:
I see your point, your Catholic?
Having a religious person as 5minsmadness turn up on the sense, I now understand to word of God isn't your thing-well good luck with your findings.

I haven't in any case said I will use my own understanding in mind, but the mind of Christ I will put forward 100%.

No one set a time when these end time events will happen, but I'm sure they are coming sooner-you claimed it won't happen for another 100 million years and you claim these prophesies haven't come to past as yet, you also claim today's technology has been around since.

Having different denomination can make a large difference.

When talking to you you don't seem to use bible scriptures, so really it would be impossible for you to even understand what the word of God had said about Matthew Mark and Luke, and Revelation about end time events.

So you don't appreciate me saying your not a Christian?
Matthew 7:20 By their fruits you will know them.

And you haven't proven to say you believe in Christ?

Save yourself and save your own salvation, but don't knock others who don't, but rather reach out>Romans 10:17 "So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Salvation is for all man kind.

Amen..

brocab:
I see your point, your Catholic?
Having a religious person as 5minsmadness turn up on the sense, I now understand to word of God isn't your thing-well good luck with your findings.

I haven't in any case said I will use my own understanding in mind, but the mind of Christ I will put forward 100%.

No one set a time when these end time events will happen, but I'm sure they are coming sooner-you claimed it won't happen for another 100 million years and you claim these prophesies haven't come to past as yet, you also claim today's technology has been around since.

Having different denomination can make a large difference.

When talking to you you don't seem to use bible scriptures, so really it would be impossible for you to even understand what the word of God had said about Matthew Mark and Luke, and Revelation about end time events.

So you don't appreciate me saying your not a Christian?
Matthew 7:20 By their fruits you will know them.

And you haven't proven to say you believe in Christ?

Save yourself and save your own salvation, but don't knock others who don't, but rather reach out>Romans 10:17 "So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Salvation is for all man kind.

Amen..

KoloOyinbo:


No you are being insulting, stupid, illogical and unchristian!

I am not a Catholic I am non denominational - I think I told you this before but apparently you only hear what suits you.

I would not waste time quoting scripture to one like you. I spend 3 hours per week at Bible study by the way - with intelligent people! At least when at home not in Naija.

Now for your assertion of my not proving I am a Christian! You arrogant fool! I don't need to prove anything to an insulting creature like you! I prove it to God who know well! WHY would I need to prove ANYTHING to someone who reads scripture and misinterprets it as you do?

My fruits are to accept the message of the Bible and welcome ALL denominations as long as they believe in the message of Christ.

YOUR fruits seem to be to misinterpret that message and deny all other Christians who do not accept your twisted and limited minority view of Christianity!

Sigh - You only talk of the irrelevancy of WHEN the end days will come and NEVER address the main issues do you?

I don't actually know the other guy so don't understand your point or what it has to do with the thread.

brocab:
You are so funny.
That's not to bad spending 3 hours a week with intelligent people? How intelligent? Are they intelligent enough to even know the bible?

It would be good if you could share what your intelligent people have taught you about the bible?
Because I can see you love learning, and to be honest I believe you are learning more on this page, then you do, sitting with these intelligent people for only three hours a week.

So of course the Lord is involved-look already patients have produce, understanding has been a little difficult, when we both claim to be Christians, and It's I who's writing bible scriptures, and its you who keep on asking yourself over and over why would you even waste your time writing bible scriptures to someone like me, have you wondered why you are still listening?

The word of God works miracles. Prise the Lord for ever more.

When two people claim to be Christians its the thing to do write about the Lord.
It's a Christian way to celebrate, we live for Christ.

But if one Christian is writing about the Lord, and the other Christian refuses to write about the Lord, then that person you call an arrogant fool will know by your fruits.
And you accept All denominations who are willing to share the message of Christ?
I have come to you with the word of God, and still you have refused me. I have showing you scriptures and written bible verses, I have made it clear to you, about end times prophesies, I have showing you my words are not my own, but the Lords.

And still you have refused to even mention the word of God.

John 5:43 If someone comes in his own name,you will accept him, I have come in the name of My Father, and you do not receive Me.

So now its up to you if you believe keeping silent is your way claiming you are a Christian, then good luck with your faery.

True Christians share the word of God, and it don't matter who they share it too, as long as the words spread. But for you who keep silent, many won't believe you.


Amen...

5minsmadness:

u made an obvious error and u were unwilling to admit it despite being corrected by numerous folk. one of d fruits of being a true christian is HUMILITY.

KoloOyinbo:


I don't keep silent I SPEAK face to face with people. The issues are too complicated for writing brief posts.

Now exactly what are you trying to achieve by these repeated posts? You will certainly not convince me that end days are anywhere near. The Christians who read and understand the bible and interpret it in that manner are (fortunately) in a minority. The majority of us realise the interpretations are much to vague to be considered any more fulfilled today than over the last few millennia.

Perhaps you just want to insult other Christians, a sad trait of a tiny group among the fundamentalist fringe?

I feel no need to insult you as you don't represent anything of note. A minority misinterpretation that is irrelevant in any case.

WHEN is not the issue - you seem to think it is. I don't understand why you think it is so important and really don't care.

Perhaps you merely like a scriptural debate? They can be fun and educating - I refer often to my various translations to compare and contrast them. But this is not the place or more importantly the medium. Face to face is better.

So if you continue to post please try and tell us what you are trying to achieve? Are you trying to convince me of a minority misinterpretation OR merely being insulting and unchristian? Which?

For my part I am merely answering you as I have already stated repeated that the majority of Christians do not accept your imminent end days hypothesis and that in any case the timing is clearly not relevant.

brocab:
What am I trying to achieve-and what do you mean too complicated, do you know every Christian who are either on this forum or else where, are always looking for new information about our Lord, some go for prophesies, others are new Christian starters- it don't matter we learn of each other, that's the best part of being part of the body of Christ. Is Learning...

Writing about the Lord on bible scripture could help save a life from the four corners of the world.

Not everyone understand end time prophesies, and it does frighten a lot of believers.
See I find end times prophesies everywhere I look, it's out there- you don't see it, because your not looking.

And to interpreted prophesy one must compare it with bible scriptures.
And it don't matter if any Christians don't accept my scripts on end time prophesies, they ain't the ones writing against it, only you are.
Well if you want to speak face to face I will see you soon, but if I can't make it soon, I will ask the Lord to send some else, to meet you, face to face.

Amen..

KoloOyinbo:


Ah. So you are trying to convert someone to Christianity? And insulting my belief helps this somehow?

As for new information, you simply make claims taken out of context that have been made over and over for millennia.

It DOES NOT MATTER WHEN end days come so ones Christianity is not dependent upon this. Be prepared for your own personal END days and stop your vile attacks on your fellow Christians!

I don't know the other guy but it doe appear that you are rabidly anti Catholic (perhaps I'm wrong - just the impression I get from your posts). There are Christian denominations I disagree with (that's why I'm non denominational) but I would never dream of accusing them of being not Christian.

I wonder what denomination YOU are? I do find that those quickest to criticise others here are always the last to 'nail their colours to the mast' and reveal their own denomination!

brocab:
What is wrong with you, who cares about the other guy?

It is no-good me trying to share to you about Christ, as plain as it sounds you aren't interested.

So I do pray you will find time someday and listen to the Lord speaking to you.

I'm sure he has tried time after time sending people in your direction, and time after time you have pushed them all away.
"Why" one may asks? Because hidden away deep down you don't believe.
And I'm not Anti Catholic, if you understood my earlier quotes to the Nairaland Catholic's, then you would understand why I was so strong in words, about the truth.

It doesn't matter when the end is near, but what matters to me, is spreading the word of God out there, sounding the alarm to all my Christian brothers and Sisters, non believing Atheist" have shared with me their own experiences, and now preparing for the worst to come.
Atheist and Christians have witnessed live footage, about the unknown, evidence about the truth behind closed doors.

I have said-what the blind don't see, then the blind don't know, and if they don't know, then the blind can't say.

I'm not hear to convince you about end times, I'm not going to even try to convince you about the bible-you don't listen.
True believing Christians know about these end time events approaching, none mock against the word of God, as the Lord said by their fruits you will know them Matthew 7:20

KoloOyinbo:


The SAME tired old arguments.

You dont like Catholics!

You don't like other Christians who do not believe EVERY LITTLE irrelevancy that you do!

You are ashamed or afraid to state your own denomination!

Do you think that those who believe in end days but that they are not near yet are not Christian? Apparently you do for that is the ONLY issue you have with me!

You dare to call me not a Christian YOU EVIL PERSON!

brocab:
Why don't I like Catholic's?
My closes friends and family are Catholic's!
Why don't I like other Christians?
Can't you tell what denomination I'm from?Anybody who speaks well into the bible is a true believer, and in most cases true believers seek the Lord everyday, it don't matter what denomination you are from, what matters is do you obey the word of God, do you believe enough to believe?
Anybody can say they are Christian.
I have no issue with you, and I have no issue with anybody else, and I have nothing in common with you, anybody can call themselves a Christian.
You don't like sharing the word of God, and you don't like hearing it, so how can you say I don't like Christians.
Christians love sharing the word of God, and you don't, so what makes you feel you are a Christian?
Do you believe doing good works around your neighbourhood, makes you a Christian?
Do you believe pushing old ladies over ripping them off makes you a good Christian?
Was Robin hood a good Christian?
What makes you a Christian?
I have asked this Question before You are a female ain't you?
Why I ask is your wording don't match to any male I know, unless you are gay?

KoloOyinbo:





Wow. Wrong on SOOOO many issues.

I do discuss the scriptures! Frequently and in depth whatever gave you the idea I did not?

Just no point in discussing them with you. You are a fundamentalist and thus never listen to any other interpretation beyond your limited view.

It is by faith alone we are saved and you will know where to find this yourself!

I am sure your denomination is one of the more fundamentalist ones or at least you are in the fundamentalist minority of that denomination (sadly most denominations have such). If you are too ashamed of them to state what you are then fine, I am sure they are not overly enamoured of having someone with your narrow minded views as one of them.

I would never be so unchristian as to disbelieve anyone who was also. And Despite your ill mannered provocation and unchristian attitude displayed to me and apparently others here I don't accuse you of that.

You constantly AVOID the issue. WHEN end times are coming IS IRRELEVANT and Christians are free to believe whatever timeline they choose on this. The Bible is deliberately vague on this and so people have been predicting the fulfilment of signs for a long time now and will be doing so for even longer.

Why does believing different from you on this issue make one a woman or a gay?

That is just more of your illogical thinking indicating a lack of education - both secular and spiritual.

I speak in this manner because I am an educated European. I have travelled over much of the world and worked in up to 22 different countries. I live in Ireland but spend a LOT of time in Nigeria training your businesses to improve and compete in the world market. This is my second career.

Now I suspect that you are only here to argue and justify to yourself in your hypocrisy that you think you are a better Christian than anyone who does no swallow all your fundamentalist garbage.

So WHY do you keep posting? The vast majority of Christians do not accept end times are near, or that the Bible prophesies predicting when have been fulfilled yet. All your insults, out of context quotes (which we are all familiar with anyway) and ill mannered attempts at insults will not convince us otherwise.

Non Christians will not be reading this thread anyway so what you are trying to achieve is very unclear - certainly none of the things you mentioned in an earlier post.

For my part I don't need to convince anyone of anything regarding end days. I merely reply to what is clearly some uneducated fundamentalist with insecurity issues trying to prove (probably to himself) what a good Christian he is by pathetic attempts to put down others!