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Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by CANTICLES: 1:20pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
dejilg: Instead of you to think deep about his questions, you are busy defending what u dont understand... Infact Answer This: 1) If The Trinity doctrine is true, and they are truly one, WHAT HAPPEN TO THE Father and holyspirit, WHEN the son died for three days ?? Did they also die ?? If they are truly one , why didnt the Father and holyspirit also dead ? ... next 1 Like |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Nobody: 1:21pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
Empiree:The last time I checked, u could not defend ur murderous prophet. U r even less competent here, so buzz offf. Lol! |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Empiree: 1:25pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
Bobbysworld28:Exist strategy. I got you. |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by sleekymag(m): 1:35pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
I was once surprised when I saw the Jehovah's Witnesses bible was different from King James version particularly with this scripture 1 John 5:7. I had thought only difference was in the constant use of Jehovah rather than God. Colossians 1:15-17 says Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God. Yes he is the first born of every creature, but by him were ALL things created, whether in heaven on earth, visible or invisible. All things were created by him and for him. He is before all things and by him all things consist. Verse 18 says that in all things Christ might have preeminence. God is happy with that and can't be jealous of His Son cos verse 19 of Colossians 1 says"For it pleased the Father that in him (Christ Jesus) should ALL fullness dwell. |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Nobody: 2:00pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
Empiree:Exit for u. I aint going nowhere. My christian brethren and I r having exegesis. It has nothing to do with Muhammed (pbuh) |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Nobody: 2:34pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Hw childish! At dt point only the word was in d flesh. What d concept should teach u is that God's spoken word could be whatever it wants to be to the extent of taking on flesh. The voice of God was even walking in the garden of eden. gen3.8.kjv And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden. The word is also able to grant u access to become a child of God jhn1.12-14.kjv But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Let scripture train u in d things of the spirit. Do not be misguided by judging spiritual with physical |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Empiree: 3:25pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
And I am my muslim brethren too have exegesis. And it has nothing to do with Paul, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Our exegesis however has everythig to do with Jesus the son of Mary Bobbysworld28: |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Nobody: 5:09pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
Empiree:Wow. The son of Mary or the Lord of all? |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Empiree: 5:35pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
Bobbysworld28:Quran: 2:87 "We gave Jesus the SON OF MARY clear (signs) and strengthened him with holy spirit 2:253 "....To Jesus the SON OF MARY...... 3:45 "O Mary! Allah gave you glad tidings of a word from Him; his name will be chrst Jesus, the SON OF MARY.... 4:157 "That they said (in boost), "we killed Jesus the SON OF MARY, the MESSANGER of Allah...." 4:171 ".....Christ Jesus the SON OF MARY was no more than messanger of God...." 5:17 "In blashemy indeed are those who say that God is Jesus the SON OF MARY. 5:46 "And in their footsteps, We sent Jesus the SON OF MARY confirming the Law that was revealed before him 5:72 "They do blashemy who say: 'God is christ the SON OF MARY. "But christ said Oh Israel worship your Lord and my Lord..." 5:75 "Christ Jesus the SON OF MARY was no more than messanger of Allah 5:78 "Curses was prounuced on those who reject Faith among the children of Israel by David and Jesus the SON OF MARY because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses" 5:110 "O Jesus the SON OF MARY! Recount My favor to you and your mother..." 5:112 Behold! the disciples said: " O Jesus the SON OF MARY! can thy Lord send down table set (with viands)....' 5:114 "Jesus the SON OF MARY said: "O Allah our lord..." These should be enough. Keep reading from the link and THINK ! http://jaq.org/blog/2009/10/10/all-passages-about-jesus-in-the-quran/ |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Nobody: 5:43pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
Empiree:As in I should take d word of a demond possessed pedophile who murdered countless over that of the one who healed d sick, fed thousands from 'nothing, raised the dead, forgave sins, stopped a storm, walked on water etc? Impossicant! |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by dolphinheart(m): 10:21pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
@ empiree , why are you here? You dnt believe in the scriptures (bible) and the jesus u know is different from the jesus being discussed here. So pls dnt bring the koran into this ( enough killing done by that book already, and we dnt want that here) . Now to trinitarians ill like as ask the questions What is the trinity .? . Is jesus the father? Are they the same? Is 1 john 5:7 saying jesus, father and holy spirit bear witness in heaven part of the original manuscripts? |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Empiree: 10:58pm On Feb 28, 2015 |
Did Op complain?. No. You are talking about my prophet, Jesus the son of Mary, the messanger of God. So it concerns me. You hear?. I will only respect 1 thing, and that's if Op says he doesnt need my contributions. Clear? dolphinheart: |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Nobody: 7:43am On Mar 01, 2015 |
Empiree:I answered u regarding Jesus. Take a cue |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by CAPTIVATOR: 7:47am On Mar 01, 2015 |
Empiree: Jesus said: " love your neighbour as yourself" , and a certain man asked " WHO really is my neighbour ? " so, Jesus answered with a brilliant illustration, that our neighbour can either be a Jew, a Samaritan , ANYONE . SO, YOU ARE WELCOME BRO 1 Like |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by ayindejimmy(m): 8:14am On Mar 01, 2015 |
Bobbysworld28: Send the following to 20120 INEC, state of registration, surname, last 5 digits of the number on ur tvc. I hope it helps |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by dejilg(m): 12:57pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
Empiree:that makes me wonder, cos I just see u ignore all d texts of the Bible that says Jesus is God and identifies Him as YHWH |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Empiree: 1:04pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
dejilg:Empty post. All you have to do is proof "Jesus is God". Enough of this empty post. But before you defend it, let me quickly remind you there are many other Christians who defer from your creed |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by dejilg(m): 1:11pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
CANTICLES:Again u start with the premise of God's nature and Being same as that of "humans"--- Now let me expose ur rather silly arguments, since u already conceived d fact that I was supposed to answer a question u hv yet to pose... 1. If Jesus, the Father and HolySpirit are one (according to ur erroneous undastnding of the Trinity), then did u forget that even "humans" are spirits beyond the body and spirits don't die? How much more God ![]() 2. according to our understanding of God's Being (One) shared by three (3) centres of Consciousness (Persons), Jesus died, while the Father is on His throne ruling in heaven, while the HolySpirit goes on to convict the world of sin...Jesus is God, the Father is God, the HolySpirit is God...the Father isn't the Son whom are in turn not the HolySpirit...they are different Persons but same Being described as "God" --- unless u just confuse urself and make a false type of Trinity n want me to respond to it... Stop displaying ur ignorance on the Trinity! Pls |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by dejilg(m): 1:17pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
Empiree:if mine z empty, den urs z emptier cos even many muslims have creeds dat differ from urs!...I dnt need to prove to u dat "Jesus is God", I guess u read d Bible? what happened to d "prologue of John" ![]() |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by dejilg(m): 1:41pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Nobody: 2:45pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR:I advise you stop ressurecting the Arian heresy which was defeated centuries ago by the Church through the holy St Athanasius the Great, Partriarch of Alexandria. Now 1500 years later comes Charles Taze Russell to resurrect the teachings of the arch-heretic Arius. The Church was guided by the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ to define the Trinity and I am sure St Athanasius did not use your verse to defend the Divinity of Jesus. How about John 1 *the Word became flesh*...or St Thomas exclaiming *My Lord and my God*...or the great commission to baptise in the name of the *Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit*? How do you understand them? |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Nobody: 2:57pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
Empiree:Who is "We" in your first verse? |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Empiree: 3:22pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
Man, you not defending anything. You just talking basically. If you cant defend it then....check your creed. And you talk about John, you mean the last of of the Gospel?. So according to you he's the only one that explained "Divinity of Jesus" yet copied his essay from Mathew, Mark anf Luke. Pls take a back sit. No, muslims have same creed when it comes to Divinity of God. No muslim believe any prophet or messanger is God. Get your fact right. dejilg: |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Nobody: 3:31pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
Empiree:John copied from who? Pls dont go about advertising ur ignorance like this. It is shameful that ur mentor is a disaster to mankind. 1jn1.1-2.kjv That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us Does d above look like someone who copied from others? Evn his writing style is different. I tire for u o! |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by dejilg(m): 3:31pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
Empiree: Now u keep running from facts! so now u have a problem becos "its d last of the Gospels"? and whom said its d only 1 dat teaches abt Jesus being God ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Empiree: 3:35pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
"We" is NOT plural. It's a form of majesty, respect etc. "We" in the Quran is royal "We". It's basically a form of adjective. Read these short links for further understanding. http://www.godallah.com/we_and_he.php http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/AllahWE.htm Papist: |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Empiree: 3:37pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
dejilg:Now your case is dismissed with. You dont make any sense. If you can't defend why Jesus is God then forget it. |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by dejilg(m): 3:38pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
Empiree: superlies, are we posting sites now? should I post in replies to these? |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Empiree: 3:39pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
Bobbysworld28:https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible/1#2172133.47 |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by dejilg(m): 3:39pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
Empiree: so now I no longer have to prove "Jesus is God" but prove "why Jesus is God" ![]() U must be d new comedian on d block, can u prove to us "why allah is God"? |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by Empiree: 3:40pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
dejilg:pls this is not meant for you. Kindly desist. Thanks |
Re: 1 John 5:7 Is A Pure Religious Fabrication !!! by dejilg(m): 3:41pm On Mar 01, 2015 |
Empiree: did muhammed read d quran ![]() |
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