CAMNEWTON4PRES:


my mission? why would i do that, here is a thread talking about African renaissance and your huys are posting comments that don't make sense, tht guy first with WA being better and that chukwu about white orders blah blah....i was only setting the record straight .

this is not whether you heard or not:

many Ivorians know that burkina faso through blaise compaore played a role in their civil war and the ousting of their president
ghana vs Nigeria whether it is a joke or not the fact is the hostility exists, in fact i have never heard a Nigerian saying anything good about ghanaian(in real life)

as for senegal Gambia...we are not talking about ethnicity here the fact are there...Gambia president is arming rebelion in senegal(casamnce0 and Wade tired to oust him too through several rebllion..i hope you know we are talking about states and Govt

i think i showed everything ..you can make your own conclusions...btw you can take chad, it even makes Central Africa more stable

Civil wars in Africa:

Sierra Leone(WA)
Nigeria(WA)
Liberia(WA)
Ivory COAST(WA)
Chad(WA))
RDCONGO(CA)
GUINEA bISAU(CA)
coup d'etat
Mali(WA)
Guinea C (WA)
Burkina(WA)
Nigeria(WA, multiple)
chad(WA)
CAR(CA)
Congo(CA)
IVORY COAST(WA)
GUINEA BISAU(WA)
GAMBIA(WA)
Ghana(WA)

as we can see WA is far from being better than CA...no matter how one tries to put it..next time tell your dawgs to make sense, i really don't get how in this information age someone can say WA is more stable than CA..does he live on mars?

CAMNEWTON4PRES:


your post doesn't make sense...what hostility exists between central African govts?


weak as in ?


hostility in WA:

Gambia vs Senegal
Burkina Vs Ivory coast
Sierra leone Vs Liberia
Ghana vs Nigeria

weak Govt

Gambia
Guinea bisau
Mali
Niger

confused people
Mauritani
.........
all countries have defined borders, so i really don't understand what you meant by that either way here are the central African countries:

Cameroon
Gabon
Angola
Congo
RDCONGO
CHAD
Equatorial Guinea
CAR

what hostility exits between those countries? except for CAR each country are stable while west Africa is the home of coup d'etat and civil wars ..my nigga i think you were drunk when you typed that comment and your explanation doesn't hold water

CAMNEWTON4PRES:
where was Cameroon? lmao it shows you that we are the armed arm of france in Africa, Nigeria is just like chad, you both are french proxies. the same way chad is being used on nigeria and cameroon with boko harma,,,,one can say Nigeria is reaping what they sow or am missing something?

ChukwuCantDie:
Mugu..you dont even know what you are saying and neither do i..go back to your french slave masters farm and make yourself useful.

ChukwuCantDie:
Mugu..you dont even know what you are saying and neither do i..go back to your french slave masters farm and make yourself useful.

reedonne:





I am not saying WA is better than CA or EA but I still stand with the fact that eastern country have hostillity toward each others.
Nigerian and Ghanians may have differences but the Nigerian and ghanian goverment are friend and are always ready to help each other.
Have you read about the arm race in east africa?. Uganda, Tanzania, Rwanda even the under-developed ethiopia is more prepared for war more than richest west african countries like Nigeria, ghana and ivory coast.

JiggamanGh:


So u based your argument the number of civil wars that occurred in west Africa. Many countries around the world have gone through revolution or civil war and they are better for it.

I don't think west Africa is better than central Africa but I do believe in west Africa exceptionalism. We put Africa on the map.

CAMNEWTON4PRES:


and how is west Africa better after her so called revolution? don't get me wrong im for revolution and even wars if they must bring good changes,however most of WA coup d'etats and civil wars were not revolution but simple western imperialists lookkiing for the own interests ...i sincerely don't see how liberia, gambia, burkina, sieraa etc are better than Gabon or Angola

now sometimes i don't know if you have problem with reading despite jumping on comments, we were talking about stability so i belive civil wars ,coup d'etats are good ways to measure stability in a country, maybe you have another criteria i will b glad to hear from you still there is no way west africa is more stbale than Central Africa

as for the so called exceptionalism quit with the american jargon or arrogance , there is nothing exceptional about west africa that's first of voice and when indeed you put Africa on the map its to talk about diseases, wars, and coup d'etats that's like somalia or ethiopia saying they put us on the map..of course they do but in what way //btw we are all in the USA so don't bring that nonsense

Omarbah:
More than a half century later after the independence movement and more than century after serious contact with European civilization, our beloved continent lags when it comes to technological progress. Superstitions still remain in force even among the African elite. Passion rather than reason is still the norm. Cultural alienation is on the rise. Most Africans living in cities cannot speak their native language without borrowing words from the English or French language.

I've always wondered why were the Arabs after the advent of Islam able to build so much in the 300 years that ensued. Or why was the European renaissance such a success that they rule the world to this day despite being far behind China at the time. Why did the Koreans that had the same level of economic development as Cote d'Ivoire in the 50s and beginning of 60s were able to surpass them. In short why other cultures are able to assimilate science and technology at such pace and why are we failing to do the same on our continent. Even if we are doing it, one has to agree that the pace is really slow and at this rate we will never catch up with the rest of world.

Despite the cultural differences of the Arabs, Europeans and Asians, there is one similarity to the renaissance they witnessed. All of these groups made progress while maintaining their language. The Arabs translated books from Greek to Arabic to spread knowledge as much as they can. It is in Baghdad that Muslims founded their school of translation, every Greek book they could lay their hands on was translated to their language.

The Europeans will do the same. They will build up from the knowledge left by the Arabs and translated thousands of books in Latin. Constantine of Carthage of the Toledo School of Translators translated multiple texts on medicine including the Canons of Medecine of Avicenna. He went ahead and founded a School of Medicine to spread the knowledge. Frederick II of Palermo had in his court intellectuals that translated the work of Arab astronomer Al-Farghini and Ptolemy's Almagest. Some of the books translated to Latin originally came from Greek intellectuals but was lost in Europe and they had to translated them back to Latin from Arab to have access to the knowledge. This is to name of few. For those interested in the influence of Islam of the European renaissance, a simple google research will answer your questions.
And more recently, the Japanese, Koreans translated European books in their native languages. This has contributed greatly to the amazing technological progress they have witnessed.

All of these groups did the same thing, absorb science and technology but retain their culture. They translated works from other languages to theirs not only to ease the learning on their people but also to enrich their culture and language. That in my opinion among others, is something we, as Africans, need to do.
Could you imagine how much we can fight ignorance if learning science in Hausa, Lingala, Swahili, Fulfulde is encouraged?

What is your opinion? Why do you think we still lag behind others in science and technology?

Maakhir:


In answer to your question:

You are the source of Africa's troubles

CAMNEWTON4PRES:
unfortunately you are the clueless one here, you boast about your country-army fighting on behalf or with/of french troops yet you say you don't take orders from white people..are you mad? why did nigeria oust Gbagbo if she was not taking orders from france? i think you are the slaves here, at least there is an occupation past between cameroon and France yet our army or foreign policy has never us being footsoldiers for france. Go and ponder on that as you righlty put where was the Cameroon army ? def not doing france biding all ver Africa thats for sure

Goodluck new found lover

bushdoc9919:
All I can do here is quote Field Ruwe's article



The problem is....we prefer to share money rather than to use it. We would rather fight wars over how the oil money should be shared...instead of using that oil money to build things.

gift01:
Most Africans are always perverse

pazienza:
Only Pleep, Ezeagu, Macof and the Cameroon guy really know the problem of Africa.


Africa's problem started with Berlin conference of 1884, The Europeans knew how important the creation of artificial and unsustainable borders would be to their plans of exploitation of the African people, so that event was the foundation upon which their colonization of Africa was built.


To start the emancipation of African from the beasts, we must first of all, destroy their very foundation, the colonial borders.


We must redraw the map of Africa and build stable countries built on cultural homogeneity, where patriotism reigns, we must learn to exist as neighbors first, before we start thinking of co existing as one entity, common goals can always be pursued under AU.

Only the blind, the naive or the greedy would not see how crucial the redrawing of colonial borders is to African renaissance.

CAMNEWTON4PRES:
there is an arm race because of a terrorists infested country like Somalia , furthermore every country should arm itself esp African countries..there is no prosperity without security and stability, beware of a crumbling ship(western world) we will see more and more acts of piracy like what they did in libya. we need to b able to protect our resources or at least put a good fight...still there is better regional integration in East Africa than anywhere in Africa,,they have already adopted a single language and are now moving to a single currency (aka more economic integration) the final goal being a confederation ....as for ethiopia she is at war with the egyptian camel fckers

pazienza:
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We must redraw the map of Africa and build stable countries built on cultural homogeneity

AmunRaOlodumare:

If you knew anything about Africa you would know no such thing exist. For Yoruba for example, past Kingdoms either subdivided Yoruba into smaller units or comprises people who were not Yoruba while leaving some Yoruba out of the Kingdom. You have an European/Abrahamic mindset. Leave the cultural homogeneity to Hitler.

There's no way you can subdivide African countries into smaller units were there won't exist any ethnic minority in it. No matter how you cut African countries there's always ethnic minority within the smaller units generated.

Don't ever follow tribalist politicians. They do it for their own personal gain. Always favor politicians which preach unity in diversity and protection and promotion of the cultural richness of the country.

For example:

National Politician A) Want to protect Yoruba languages and culture=tribalist
National Politician B) Want everybody to be similar=cultural homogeneity=tribalist
National Politician C) Want to protect the languages and cultures of every ethnic/sub-ethnic groups in Nigeria. =non tribalist

Of course, it's ok to fight to promote the Yoruba cultures and language (which are diverse by itself), but it is always with the understanding that other cultural groups also have the right and responsibility to promote their own culture and languages (as long as it is one based on the respect of others: live and let live, this exclude Jihadist culture and other crazy fascist stuff like that). Unity in diversity.

This is true for Africa, but it is also true for the whole world in general. You can be part of the European Union and still maintain your own languages and culture. If Hitler tries to takes over the European Union, all the diverse ethnic groups and culture in Europe must fight him. So good national politicians fight to protect the ethnic diversity and cultural diversity of all parts of the country.

AmunRaOlodumare:

If you knew anything about Africa you would know no such thing exist. For Yoruba for example, past Kingdoms either subdivided Yoruba into smaller units or comprises people who were not Yoruba while leaving some Yoruba out of the Kingdom. You have an European/Abrahamic mindset. Leave the cultural homogeneity to Hitler.

There's no way you can subdivide African countries into smaller units where there won't exist any ethnic minority in it. No matter how you cut African countries there's always ethnic minority within the smaller units generated.

Don't ever follow tribalist politicians. They do it for their own personal gain. Always favor politicians which preach unity in diversity and protection and promotion of the cultural richness of the country.

For example:

National Politician A) Want to protect Yoruba languages and culture=tribalist
National Politician B) Want everybody to be similar=cultural homogeneity=tribalist
National Politician C) Want to protect the languages and cultures of every ethnic/sub-ethnic groups in Nigeria. =non tribalist

Of course, it's ok to fight to promote the Yoruba cultures and language (which are diverse by itself), but it is always with the understanding that other cultural groups also have the right and responsibility to promote their own culture and languages (as long as it is one based on the respect of others: live and let live, this exclude Jihadist culture and other crazy fascist stuff like that). Unity in diversity.

This is true for Africa, but it is also true for the whole world in general. You can be part of the European Union and still maintain your own languages and culture. If Hitler tries to take over the European Union, all the diverse ethnic groups and culture in Europe must fight him. So good national politicians fight to protect the ethnic diversity and cultural diversity of all parts of the country.

AmunRaOlodumare:

If you knew anything about Africa you would know no such thing exist. For Yoruba for example, past Kingdoms either subdivided Yoruba into smaller units or comprises people who were not Yoruba while leaving some Yoruba out of the Kingdom. You have an European/Abrahamic mindset. Leave the cultural homogeneity to Hitler.

kingston277:

Please note that. Those non-Yoruba who lived in Yoruba kingdoms were of contoured extract whom had no say in joining such kingdom. Following this, it might take several wars(and a ruling ethnicity with a dominant language) to achieve "one Nigeria".

kingston277:

Please note that. Those non-Yoruba who lived in Yoruba kingdoms were of contoured extract whom had no say in joining such kingdom.

AmunRaOlodumare:

In reality the situation is more nuanced than this. The main reason why Yoruba Kingdoms sought to expand their territory was the increase the size of the Kingdom, so the fact that unity makes us stronger was a fact known (obviously) by past African peoples and Kingdoms. The goal was combining kingdoms (Yoruba subgroups and sometimes non-Yorubas) together under the same leadership, to create a stronger kingdom. The same idea existed in many African Kingdoms and also among those who wanted to incorporate Yorubas into their kingdom. We're talking about sending tributes to the King (of all kings), making available for him soldiers in time of wars, probably also access to mines and other natural resources sites, control of trade routes, etc. The incorporated Kingdoms/Chiefdoms also (iirc) received protection from the metropolis.

Meja:
Can't remember who said this but Swahili isn't an amalgam of Bantu and Arabic, it has a Bantu core, the only thing Arabic about it is it used to be written in the Arabic script and it has quite a number of bantunized Arabic loan words of technical terms and other concepts not found within Africa at the time of the interaction (e.g talak-divorce becomes talaka, qisas-revenge becomes kisasi, qariib-near becomes karibu, muhandis-engineer becomes mhandisi).

Omarbah:
@kingston277 @ Fulaman @ AmunRaOlodumare @ macof
Here we go man. The EU commission has proposed forming an EU army. The idea is out there now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/08/us-eu-defence-juncker-idUSKBN0M40KL20150308