Mat 4:23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.

‘ Mark 1:14-15 The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel’"

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;

Luke 4:16-20 "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias .And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him."

thorpido:
Some muslims and their display of ignorance!
When is a will read out?Is it when the owner of the will dies or when he is still alive?
An understanding of what i just asked gives the needed answer.

Even the quran was not compiled while Muhammed was alive.

thorpido:

When is a will read out? Is it when the owner of the will dies or when he is still alive?

An understanding of what i just asked gives the needed answer.

Even the quran was not compiled while Muhammed was alive.

kodded:

Leave am na mumu

Rilwayne001:

psucc:
Christ is the Gospel and without the finished work of the Cross we wouldn't have the Bible.
In the days of my Lord and Saviour the Bible was not yet gathered into one single book but parts (The Old Testament) were already written on Scrolls and that was what my Lord read.

Hallelujah.

Rilwayne001:


Are we talking about a will I'm talking about the gospel of jesus, and so far we are told dat he was preaching the gospel all around you call the book of matthew,mark,luke and john the Gospels.and Jesus didnt read any of them. Now what Gospel was Jesus preaching? is it the gospel of paul? or the contradicting gospels of mark mattew luke and john



Nope. unless you are saying that the gospel jesus preached is inconsistent and contradicting.



Quran has been in writing during his time, though wasnt compiled together during his time.

Rilwayne001:
Good


Shikena.

Jesus didnt read about all john luke mattew especially PAUL atributed to him, he only read the OT. shikena

thorpido:
I spoke about a will as an analogy.It's obvious you didn't understand it.

There is a knowledge of Jesus Christ and even the best of your islamic scholars cannot understand it.
Prophet John( bin Zakariyah as you call him) said ,he that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly,and speaketh of the earth:he that cometh from heaven is above all.

And what he hath seen and heard,that he testifieth;and no man receiveth his testimony.He that believeth hath seth to seal that God is truth(John 3)
You keep debating about unnecessary things;where Jesus was born,if he read the bible bla bla bla.......
Have you found knowledge in Him?

Rilwayne001:

I never doubt the knowledge of Jesus, what I doubt is what his alleged apostle wrote about him, since he didnt read it nor edit it. do you get me now

Rilwayne001:
1. Did Jesus read the bible? provide your proof

2. Was he given the bible or the gospel?







3. Did he read the bible or book of Esaias?

thorpido:
You know the problem I have with islamic knowledge. Islam denies that the gospel of Jesus in the bible was corrupted but the same islam cannot provide the original/authentic gospel of Jesus.
I think that's a big failure on it's part.

Rilwayne001:


Infact that is the major reason for this thread, since you believe the gospel of jesus is the bible according to mark mattew PAUL and co. Did jesus read all these gospel attributed to him?

thorpido:
Someone already answered your question and you are still asking the same thing which shows you don't understand.

Now can you provide the original copy of the gospel I asked for?

Rilwayne001:


Which someone? where?

The only person that answers it is psucc, and he affirmed that jesus didnt read nor aware of all that mark, mattew Paul and co wrote about him.



Do you agree with psucc?

Rilwayne001:


Infact that is the major reason for this thread, since you believe the gospel of jesus is the bible according to mark mattew PAUL and co. Did jesus read all these gospel attributed to him?

malvisguy212:
the gospel details the life and deed of jesus,

jesus did not write a book,if he did then provide it let read.how is it possible for Jesus to read in a book how he will die?

Doesn't this mean he did not write a book ,mark,matthew,john and Luke were all inspired by the holy ghost but if you insist the bible is corrupt then answer this questions, I ask your brother but he couldn't answer it;

1.when was the bible corrupted?
If it was before islam, why would Allah
refer Muhammad to something that is
Corrupted to make confirmation?
2 If it was after Muhammad had died,
how was he able to receive the revelation that the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) had been corrupted ?
3. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
4. Why would God be so weak as to allow man throw away His words before He would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from experience?
I tell you the truth,if you answer this
questions properly you will discovered
sooo many lies. Thank you.

truthman2012:
@ Rilwayne

Quran 19:30, Shakir] He said: Surely I
am a servant of Allah; He has
given me the Book and made me
a prophet;

Quran quoted Jesus as saying he was given a Book containing the Gospel I suppose.

Where is that Book if not the Bible. Or would allah be watching man throwing away the Book he gave to Jesus?

truthman2012:

[s] I know Rilwayne could not give an answer to this. [/s]\If you know the answer, the questions you raised in the op will be taken care of. As a student of the quran, have you come across that verse? Which Book is that and where is it?

truthman2012:
and @ malvisguy212

Quran 19:30, Shakir] He said: Surely I
am a servant of Allah; He has
given me the Book and made me
a prophet;

Quran quoted Jesus as saying he was given a Book containing the Gospel I suppose.

Where is that Book if not the Bible. Or would allah be watching man throwing away the Book he gave to Jesus?

Rilwayne001:


Mat 4:23 Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every.disease and sickness among the people.

‘ Mark 1:14-15 The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel’"

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;

So jesus was preaching his life and deed according to malviguy212...hmm. wonders.




My point is what gospel was jesus preaching according to the verses of the bible above? is it what we have today according to mark and luke today?

Oh yes, its not possible for him to have written how he will die, but was he busy preaching is death and ressurection as recorded by his alleged apostle in ‘ Mark 1:14-15 The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel’"



So holy ghost was busy inspiring contradictions and inconsistencies as we have in the alleged gospel of jesus?



Are there contradictions and incosistencies in the bible or not?

lets start from here

Empiree:
When Quran said 'Book' revealed to Jesus, do you actually think Quran is talking about somethng tangible?. When Quran speaks of Book given to Moses, Jesus Muhammad(PBUT) it's talking about revealation that came down, that's, inspiration. It was never meant for sheet of paper. However, for preservation purposes, God Almighty knew that in the future words will transcribed.

So when Bible speaks of Jesus preaching Gospel, I dont expect him working around places with Book (shee of paper) in his hands. No that's not what it means. When Quran speaks of Books revealed to Jesus, it means the true message he was sent with to deliver to the children of Israel. That message is called Injil. That's the message Quran is talking about. When Quran talks about they tampered and distored it means they the people distorted his message which he was sent.

Now did Mathew, Mark, Luke and John write down Gospel in the lifetime of Jesus?. None was written down in his lifetime. Mark is said to be earliest and was written 65-75AD. Mathew and Luke , which were writeen independently using Mark and at least one other shared source(now lost) that scholars refer to as "Q". Both Mathew and Luke seem to have been written 80AD or more. The latest of the Gospel is John, which seems to have been written no earlier than 90AD judging from internal evidence, thought could have been as late as 120AD. So basically, the point is Jesus events were written down long after him. None, I mean none was written in his lifetime.

The writings in the New Testament which were closest in the time of death of Jesus was letters of Paul. Only seven (7) of these are considered genuinely written by Paul himself.

WHAT IS KNOWN OF THE AUTHORS? I:E Mathew and co

In all cases, very little.Much is known about Paul because he gave few details of his life in his letters. He seems to have been Jew from the tribe of Benjamiin who was born in Tarsus now known as Turkey and who studied in Jerusalem before converting to the Jesus sect as a result of kind visionary experience.

I am not able type too long on my phone now on this until i get back on my regular pc. There may be typo error above so bear with me

malvisguy212:
your lies is exceeding great, you are the first muslims that I ever chat with made this statement the books that was given to Jesus and Moses was not a WRITTEN document? My friend you are a very big liar
Quran16:44
Sahih International
[We sent them] with clear proofs and WRITTEN ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

It say with clear proof and written,if it not written document,then what is it?

truthman2012:
@ Rilwayne

Quran 19:30, Shakir] He said: Surely I
am a servant of Allah; He has
given me the Book and made me
a prophet;

Quran quoted Jesus as saying he was given a Book containing the Gospel I suppose.

Where is that Book if not the Bible. Or would allah be watching man throwing away the Book he gave to Jesus?

Rilwayne001:
1. Did Jesus read the bible? provide your proof

2. Was he given the bible or the gospel?







3. Did he read the bible or book of Esaias?