OboloMAN:
Well what comes into the Average Nigerian mind when he hears "AMORC" ..is Occultism , and Fear.

Some churches even bring up prayer points against AMORC members every Sunday.

People always tag AMORC members with Evil and Witchcraft.

Am not a Member but i do have friends in AMORC who are still upright

OboloMAN:
Well what comes into the Average Nigerian mind when he hears "AMORC" ..is Occultism , and Fear.

Some churches even bring up prayer points against AMORC members every Sunday.

People always tag AMORC members with Evil and Witchcraft.

Am not a Member but i do have friends in AMORC who are still upright

ransomed:
:-- Do your survey and research on my comments based on the clues i provided. I write from experience and cross examination of facts, analogies, nature, existence and transcendal power sources. I like Egyptology and associated learnings. Thanks.

Babacele:
What comes to my mind is that 1.AMORC gave Jesus the Christ to the world - by their fruit we shall know them?
2. The concept of one God was started by a member- an Egyptian Pharaoh.
3.Superior thinking n thought process because of a uncommon simplicity of presenting the original truths.
4. Love for truth, God and humanity.
5. Modern institutions we call schools, hospitals, democracy;
6. Unyielding respect for humanity especially women, ;and tolerance of others cultures,opinions, and philosophies.
7. light, peace,love, service , church ;
8. For advancing truths that have survived time; be it in mysticsm, science or the arts.etc come to my mind.
Being a member will be an ultimate privilege to me. May God help me.

Babacele:
What comes to my mind is that 1.AMORC gave Jesus the Christ to the world - by their fruit we shall know them?
2. The concept of one God was started by a member- an Egyptian Pharaoh.
3.Superior thinking n thought process because of a uncommon simplicity of presenting the original truths.
4. Love for truth, God and humanity.
5. Modern institutions we call schools, hospitals, democracy;
6. Unyielding respect for humanity especially women, ;and tolerance of others cultures,opinions, and philosophies.
7. light, peace,love, service , church ;
8. For advancing truths that have survived time; be it in mysticsm, science or the arts.etc come to my mind.
Being a member will be an ultimate privilege to me. May God help me.

bsjay:

I am forced to disagree with u at some points. Jesus was not given to humanity on earth by any earthly organisations! Forget all the claims. It is also wrong to view Him as human being because He took up the gross material cloak upon Himself in order to bring enlightenment to erring mankind who were lost in their self created Darkness. If u are truly enlightened u should know the origin of man and that of Jesus, and the great difference which lie in both Species and Consistency. The coming of Jesus was a process of Radiation from the Height of Divine Unsubstantiality. In otherwords, Jesus while on earth bore Divinity which no man can make claims of except he chooses to delude himself. Man only bears a spark of the Spirit and issued from Spiritual Substantiality. In accordance with the Laws, anyone coming into the World of Matter irrespective of his origin must have a bandage placed on his eyes until at a certain age of maturity where he or she may remove the bandage at will or choice through inner stirring. This process was no difference with Jesus! With the baptism of John, the bandage fell. With the temptation of the so called Satan, His mission was firmly anchored in the World of Matter. He may have been associated with any earthly organisation before His full consciousness of His mission but that doesn't mean the organisation gave Him what He then offered to humanity. He Himself was and remains what He gave to humanity although all have been distorted and misinterpreted. With the expression "Word Incarnate" any human spirit should sense or perceive His Personality and what He stood and still stands for. Neither did He take away or condemned the Truth in all already existed organisations. He was and remains the Truth Him and came solely to give us Himself in the Word. Not to get Himself killed as Christians assert.

Babacele:
Do you really know Jesus, his history, his pa n his afilliations, do you know? When the little Jesus was taken to Egypt ,when did he come back? why was so many gaps in the history of the most important personality in Christianity? and so many you can never answer . such information are well kept by those know him before birth and not biased religious sentiments that seem to appropriate n diminish Jesus the Christ.

bsjay:


I'm not affiliated to any religion ok! Yes Jesus spent much of His earth life in Egypt, the whole history of event is well kept and I will tell you that the real father of Jesus isn't whom Christianity proclaims. If you'd read my previous comment very clearly, I will still tell you that neither the Rosicrucian Order nor Freemasonry as they both claim gave Christ what He offered to humanity! What are all this claims for? Christianity has succeeded painting a whole false picture of Him, accusing Him of violating the Laws of God through arbitrary actions which they call miracles which Christ Could not have done nor did He do it. Why is so much attention paid to His personality instead of His mission? The Truth is already staring mercilessly at all earthmen and I am sure that after the currently ongoing world event, the bandage will soon fall from everyone's eyes.

Babacele:
"the whole history is well kept" by who n what persons n organizations? Let us discuss them so that folks can learn. it is a challenge please.

Babacele:
"the whole history is well kept" by who n what persons n organizations? Let us discuss them so that folks can learn. it is a challenge please.

bsjay:

I wanna believe that u are enlightened ryt? We should discuss it here for folks to learn? Why is the Rosicrucian Order not thrown on the streets for anyone to dabble in and obtain knowledge? My friend, knowledge isn't completely free nor gotten in a platter of gold. Don't encourage spiritual indolence rather, encourage people to bestir themselves and seek personally.
Every record of events from the beginning of Creation till date is intact. TIME lost nothing! Travel into TIME and obtain any, I mean any knowledge or history that u so desire.
Am sure you are having ur own personal experiences and not depending on others' thought out opinions? What blesses one may harm another. Hope u know that? There's one statement of ur Order I luv so much. "The journey into self!"
Travel safely my brother

Babacele:
This is a public debate and we shall try to limit our discussion to what are verifiable by lovers of truth since Jesus is a very popular public figure highly revered by billions of people worlwide

Vivipop:
I'm planning on doing that and I hope that I meet someone patient enough to put me through.

bsjay:

Dear friend, I am not a member of the Rosicrucian Order but going through all the comments here, it is sad indeed!
I feel sorry because I was once like everyone of you making these comments, a very blunt Christian from a church considered as (holy church)Apostolic Faith Church where Deeper Life broke out from.
My only advise to everyone of you is, stop passing judgement on something you have zero knowledge of and condemning it. Don't forget that this Jesus we sing today was once called "prince of the devil" by the people of that time who are of no difference from the people of this time, just because they could not comprehend Him.
He Himself said: thou shall not judge!
The day your eyes will be opened to the Truth as It is, you'll then know that in Christianity, God, especially the Image of Jesus is highly dwindled and thereby dragged to the level human, therefore their servant out of their pseudo-knowledge, I know all mentality and spiritual indolence.
I had this same mentality while a poor church boy, to my greatest disappointment, I cried many tears I will never forget the day my eyes were opened to the Truth.
Now let me take your mind back to these beautiful words of Jesus. (1) If I have told you of earthly things and ye believe me not, how will you believe me if I tell you of heavenly things. (2) I have yet many things to say to you but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when He the Spirit of Truth is come, He shall guide you into all truths and show you more things to come!...
With these words, anyone with functional thinking and perceptive faculties would know that Jesus did not complete His Mission on earth before He was murdered, and that it is wrong for people to close themselves only to the bible.
It is not the Will of God that anything should be kept as secret to human spirits except the conception of God Himself which no human spirit can comprehend. Jesus wished to reveal everything to mankind but in His time on earth, humanity was so immature spiritually to grasp anything and that made Him to withheld it and therefore made a promise of another to come and teach and reveal the entire knowledge of Life, Creation and Existence to mankind, also, the Mechanisms operating in the whole of God's wonderful Creation which all issued from His Will.
I can't say much here but, to add to my advice, Jesus said: Seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you, ask and it shall be given. Now, what are you seeking? Where are you knocking? And, what are you asking for? For material gains and possessions? Don't forget that the real core in you which animates the physical body and enables it to work is spirit and only it is of great value because it lives eternally while the physical body lives only for a limited time. Therefore, seek for spiritual knowledge to recognise the Laws of your God and live accordingly cos that alone is the ticket to the kingdom of bliss. Blind faith alone helps no one in any matter because Jesus said that whatsoever a man sows that shall he reap. And that not those who say to Him lord, lord shall enter the kingdom of God but those who do the Will of His Father. Now, what is the Will of God? Forgive me if I talk too much.