No matter the church,if you were born into a christian home, whether you are a Catholic or Protestantor aladurah or whatever, Christ don't care.so long you believe in him whom God has sent, which is Jesus Jesus Christ.you are automatically saved.so, all these your religious activities in church is just vanity.just live your life, love everybody (non christians alike ) and enjoy yourself.this is your greatest calling

paxonel:
no matter the church.
if you were born into a christian home, whether you are a Catholic or Protestant or aladurah or whatever, Christ don't care.
so long you believe in him whom God has sent, which is Jesus Jesus Christ.
you are automatically saved.
so, all these your religious activities in church is just vanity.
just live your life, love everybody (non christians alike ) and enjoy yourself.
this is your greatest calling

na gode baba na!

LOVEGINO:
na gode baba na!

yehh!
na gode

paxonel:
no matter the church.
if you were born into a christian home, whether you are a Catholic or Protestant or aladurah or whatever, Christ don't care.
so long you believe in him whom God has sent, which is Jesus Jesus Christ.
you are automatically saved.
so, all these your religious activities in church is just vanity.
just live your life, love everybody (non christians alike ) and enjoy yourself.
this is your greatest calling

how about those who don't go to church at all? or pagans
don't tell me they are saved too

Proximo73:

how about those who don't go to church at all? or pagans
don't tell me they are saved too

those that go to church and those who don't go are not different in the eyes of God

Going to church and been born into a christian home doesn't make one saved.
Accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal saviour, and living your life according to God's word in the Bible is what makes one saved.
Many in church confess Christ by words of their mouth but are far from God in their heart. When you have God's word's in your heart, you live by the word and everyone will see the fruit of your christianity.

Fallacy.

Saved? From what

abitex577:
Going to church and been born into a christian home doesn't make one saved.
Accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal saviour, and living your life according to God's word in the Bible is what makes one saved.
Many in church confess Christ by words of their mouth but are far from God in their heart. When you have God's word's in your heart, you live by the word and everyone will see the fruit of your christianity.

change this your orientation.
it is called the Nigerian orientation and it is invalid scripturally.
everybody who go to church are all from christian homes or do you see Muslims in church?
no.
accepting Jesus as your lord and Savior is the same thing as, you were once a Muslim or atheist or in another religion apart from Christianity. Then someone preached to you and you accepted to join Christianity. The moment you accepted to join Christianity (become a Christian ) you have accepted Jesus as your lord and personal saviour.
so, salvation is all about change of religion.
and if you have children ofcourse you will groom them to become christians like you, they will not be Muslims. By this. they are all saved.
this is how it apply to reality and how is in the Bible.
not what Nigerian pastors are teaching.
By the way, living your life according to God's word is not feasible assuming God's word says we should live our lives without commiting sin. because everybody commit sin.
therefore we are all saved by grace, that grace is simply becoming a Christian

paxonel:

those that go to church and those who don't go are not different in the eyes of God

I am talking about pagans.
if they truly believe, then they will go to church

Proximo73:

I am talking about pagans.
if they truly believe, then they will go to church

Do you really think that pagans are christians who don't go to church?
here is the true definition of a pagan from English dictionary.
a person practicing an ancient religion that had many gods and praised nature.
example: pagan temples devoted to the Greek and Roman gods.
so, it's all about the religion.
and you know that idolatry is a religion on it's own away from Christianity.
that's why God hated idolatry in the old testament

johnydon22:
Saved? From what

we are saved from death.
Adam and Eve sinned death came to mankind.
But Christ came and restore life back to us

paxonel:

Do you really think that pagans are christians who don't go to church?
here is the true definition of a pagan from English dictionary.
a person practicing an ancient religion that had many gods and praised nature.
example: pagan temples devoted to the Greek and Roman gods.
so, it's all about the religion.
and you know that idolatry is a religion on it's own away from Christianity.
that's why God hated idolatry in the old testament

you are right!!
it's just that terrible people are now seen in churches these days so that we don't know who is who

paxonel:


change this your orientation.
it is called the Nigerian orientation and it is invalid scripturally.
everybody who go to church are all from christian homes or do you see Muslims in church?
no.
accepting Jesus as your lord and Savior is the same thing as, you were once a Muslim or atheist or in another religion apart from Christianity. Then someone preached to you and you accepted to join Christianity. The moment you accepted to join Christianity (become a Christian ) you have accepted Jesus as your lord and personal saviour.
so, salvation is all about change of religion.
and if you have children ofcourse you will groom them to become christians like you, they will not be Muslims. By this. they are all saved.
this is how it apply to reality and how is in the Bible.
not what Nigerian pastors are teaching.
By the way, living your life according to God's word is not feasible assuming God's word says we should live our lives without commiting sin. because everybody commit sin.
therefore we are all saved by grace, that grace is simply becoming a Christian

Being a christian is different from following after religion - Christianity. Many are in church and are not Christians, even though they see themselves as Christians in their own eyes. The word christian originated in Antioch when people saw followers of Jesus Christ whose ways and acts are like Christ and they said they are Christ-like therefore they were eventually called Christians. No SINNER is a CHRISTIAN and no CHRISTIAN is a SINNER. Like I said earlier if your walk with God does not show / reflect what is written in Bible, do not be deceived, you are far from been a christian. Apostle Paul said, do we continue in sin because grace abound? No. Righteous living is achieveable, a life of purity is what is required in Christianity, I believe it was what Enoch achieved that made him not see death. God does not change his standards, He'll not water it down also. Ask for grace to live a life of purity. God bless you!!!

paxonel:

we are saved from death.
Adam and Eve sinned death came to mankind.
But Christ came and restore life back to us

You still won't die

johnydon22:


You still won't die

actually, we believe that we will resurrect immediately after death .
so, no death for us in the real sense

abitex577:


Being a christian is different from following after religion - Christianity. Many are in church and are not Christians, even though they see themselves as Christians in their own eyes. The word christian originated in Antioch when people saw followers of Jesus Christ whose ways and acts are like Christ and they said they are Christ-like therefore they were eventually called Christians. No SINNER is a CHRISTIAN and no CHRISTIAN is a SINNER. Like I said earlier if your walk with God does not show / reflect what is written in Bible, do not be deceived, you are far from been a christian. Apostle Paul said, do we continue in sin because grace abound? No. Righteous living is achieveable, a life of purity is what is required in Christianity, I believe it was what Enoch achieved that made him not see death. God does not change his standards, He'll not water it down also. Ask for grace to live a life of purity. God bless you!!!

Christianity started long before the event at Antioch.
Christianity started at the day of pentecost immediately Christ resurrected, therefore, Jesus is the founder of Christianity not Antioch.
Did Antioch saved anybody?
no
it is Jesus that saves, at the cross, not at Antioch.
Antioch was works, the cross is grace.
we are saved by grace, not by works.
i know that the name christians were adopted at Antioch, But we should have it at the back of our mind that name is not important, what is important is the cross.
must we continue is sin?
no, we shouldn't continue in sin.
we should repent.
But whether we repent or not we stil remain christians, the saved people.
because the gift of God is without repentance (without God changing his mind )

paxonel:

actually, we believe that we will resurrect immediately after death .
so, no death for us in the real sense

You believe... nice idea...

abitex577:


Being a christian is different from following after religion - Christianity. Many are in church and are not Christians, even though they see themselves as Christians in their own eyes. The word christian originated in Antioch when people saw followers of Jesus Christ whose ways and acts are like Christ and they said they are Christ-like therefore they were eventually called Christians. No SINNER is a CHRISTIAN and no CHRISTIAN is a SINNER. Like I said earlier if your walk with God does not show / reflect what is written in Bible, do not be deceived, you are far from been a christian. Apostle Paul said, do we continue in sin because grace abound? No. Righteous living is achieveable, a life of purity is what is required in Christianity, I believe it was what Enoch achieved that made him not see death. God does not change his standards, He'll not water it down also. Ask for grace to live a life of purity. God bless you!!!

Christianity started long before the event at Antioch.
Christianity started at the day of pentecost immediately Christ resurrected, therefore, Jesus is the founder of Christianity not Antioch.
Did Antioch saved anybody?
no
it is Jesus that saves, at the cross, not at Antioch.
Antioch was works, the cross is grace.
we are saved by grace, not by works.
i know that the name christians were adopted at Antioch, But we should have it at the back of our mind that name is not important, what is important is the cross.
must we continue is sin?
no, we shouldn't continue in sin.
we should repent.
But whether we repent or not we stil remain christians, the saved people.
because the gift of God is without repentance (without God changing his mind )

Proximo73:

you are right!!
it's just that terrible people are now seen in churches these days so that we don't know who is who

exactly!
But no matter how terrible they are, they are still saved. That's the power of God

johnydon22:


You believe... nice idea...

yeah!
infact, it is the best idea.
why?
because, whether it is true or not that Jesus is,
and that we will resurect, by believing alone i have suceeded in putting myself in a safe position just in case it's true that we will resurrect.
Because, i love life so much and i am truly enjoying it.
But it turns out the other way round that Jesus didn't come to resurrect, i still have nothing to loose.
the day i die, i will die and go away

paxonel:


yeah!
infact, it is the best idea.
why?
because, whether it is true or not that Jesus is,
and that we will resurect, by believing alone i have suceeded in putting myself in a safe position just in case it's true that we will resurrect.
Because, i love life so much and i am truly enjoying it.
But it turns out the other way round that Jesus didn't come to resurrect, i still have nothing to loose.
the day i die, i will die and go away

ahahaaahaaa!

paxonel:


yeah!
infact, it is the best idea.
why?
because, whether it is true or not that Jesus is,
and that we will resurect, by believing alone i have suceeded in putting myself in a safe position just in case it's true that we will resurrect.
Because, i love life so much and i am truly enjoying it.
But it turns out the other way round that Jesus didn't come to resurrect, i still have nothing to loose.
the day i die, i will die and go away

ahahaaahaaa!
you are funny o

paxonel:


yeah!
infact, it is the best idea.
why?
because, whether it is true or not that Jesus is,
and that we will resurect, by believing alone i have suceeded in putting myself in a safe position just in case it's true that we will resurrect.
Because, i love life so much and i am truly enjoying it.
But it turns out the other way round that Jesus didn't come to resurrect, i still have nothing to loose.
the day i die, i will die and go away

So its just a gamble isn't it.. Assuming their is an afterlife (Tho there isnt) and when you get there, and it turns out to be Thor instead.. am sure you see you just lost gamble.. and you will have an angry God looking at you for not believing in him... lol

[size=20] btw you needn't scare yourself to death, Heaven and hell are just myth and nothing more...[/size]

Proximo73:

ahahaaahaaa!
ahahaaahaaa!
you are funny o

lol
you know, it's always good to face reality

johnydon22:


So its just a gamble isn't it.. Assuming their is an afterlife (Tho there isnt) and when you get there, and it turns out to be Thor instead.. am sure you see you just lost gamble.. and you will have an angry God looking at you for not believing in him... lol

[size=20] btw you needn't scare yourself to death, Heaven and hell are just myth and nothing more...[/size]

you are not sure whether there is after life or not, you are not spirit.
so am i, i was told too.
yes, to say heaven is beyond the clouds is myth, it is not realistic
the truth is, this life is heaven already by simply believing.
the idea is, if i do not believe i won't be in the after life in the first place,i will just die away and be condemned, so there will be no room whether God will be angry with me for not believing.
gambling?
lol,
you funny o,
me and you who is now gambling with life?
wait, check what gambling means.
it means to risk money or something valuable with the hope of winning more if you are lucky or if you guess something correctly.
so, since i cannot even sure what christians are saying about Jesus are correct or not, because i wasn't there to see whether it truly happened or not,.i don't want to guess anything, therefore i am not gambling.
life is so valuable to me for me to start gambling with it.
all i do is to take them by their word and believe what they say, it takes nothing from me.
i know there are false teachers and pastors. it takes knowledge to protect yourself from them.
But what the good ones are saying is simply good news, that we will resurrect, and i can't wait to be alive again once I'm dead because life is sweet.

paxonel:

you are not sure whether there is after life or not, you are not spirit.
so am i, i was told too.
yes, to say heaven is beyond the clouds is myth, it is not realistic
the truth is, this life is heaven already by simply believing.
the idea is, if i do not believe i won't be in the after life in the first place,i will just die away and be condemned, so there will be no room whether God will be angry with me for not believing.
gambling?
lol,
you funny o,
me and you who is now gambling with life?
wait, check what gambling means.
it means to risk money or something valuable with the hope of winning more if you are lucky or if you guess something correctly.
so, since i cannot even sure what christians are saying about Jesus are correct or not, because i wasn't there to see whether it truly happened or not,.i don't want to guess anything, therefore i am not gambling.
life is so valuable to me for me to start gambling with it.
all i do is to take them by their word and believe what they say, it takes nothing from me.
what they are saying is simply good news, that we will resurrect, and i can't wait to be alive again once I'm dead because life is sweet.

is God truly angry with atheists for not believing?
i mean, we all have equal opportunity to the air, water,sunlight, to work hard and be successful,

Proximo73:

is God truly angry with atheists for not believing?
i mean, we all have equal opportunity to the air, water,sunlight, to work hard and be successful,

judging from my five senses you are absolutely correct.
God is not angry with atheists or Muslims or anybody for not believing. He provide all these things equally for everybody. christians and non christians alike.
But judging from the spiritual angle which i don't have power over, it's a score to settle between God and them

paxonel:

judging from my five senses you are absolutely correct.
God is not angry with atheists or Muslims or anybody for not believing. He provide all these things equally for everybody. christians and non christians alike.
But judging from the spiritual angle which i don't have power over, it's a score to settle between God and them

Wait a minute let me get something straight here... Which of the God(s) do you refer to as God here.. is it Allah, Yahweh, Shiva, Krishna, Osiris etc

paxonel:

you are not sure whether there is after life or not, you are not spirit.
so am i, i was told too.
yes, to say heaven is beyond the clouds is myth, it is not realistic
the truth is, this life is heaven already by simply believing.
the idea is, if i do not believe i won't be in the after life in the first place,i will just die away and be condemned, so there will be no room whether God will be angry with me for not believing.
gambling?
lol,
you funny o,
me and you who is now gambling with life?
wait, check what gambling means.
it means to risk money or something valuable with the hope of winning more if you are lucky or if you guess something correctly.
so, since i cannot even sure what christians are saying about Jesus are correct or not, because i wasn't there to see whether it truly happened or not,.i don't want to guess anything, therefore i am not gambling.
life is so valuable to me for me to start gambling with it.
all i do is to take them by their word and believe what they say, it takes nothing from me.
i know there are false teachers and pastors. it takes knowledge to protect yourself from them.
But what the good ones are saying is simply good news, that we will resurrect, and i can't wait to be alive again once I'm dead because life is sweet.

First of all, all this you said above makes no sense..
Your only problem is greed. You vainfully pursue and clamor for another life when you have not finished living the one you have..

Do you know the state you will be when you die? The same state you were before you were concieved.. Total unexistence and that is it..

It baffles me when people have not finished living this life, is wasting their time chasing another that is so abstract as a pink unicorn.

You believe no one knows if their is an afterlife or not, so how did that person that told you get to know since no one knows.. You just choose to believe out of greed and thats all..

That's a lie bros,owk check dis those arm rubbers dat are stealing peoples thing,were dey not in christain family
Let me tell u it matters if u have receive jesus or not before u will be saved

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?

Aha! and what will the KING of Kings, the LORD of Lords, The Judge of the whole world, The one that says and does, the Adonai, the Ancient of days, The First and the Last, The GOD all by Himself say:

"And then i will profess unto them. I never knew you: depart from me you that work iniquity."

Matt 7:22,23.

johnydon22:


First of all, all this you said above makes no sense..
Your only problem is greed. You vainfully pursue and clamor for another life when you have not finished living the one you have..

Do you know the state you will be when you die? The same state you were before you were concieved.. Total unexistence and that is it..

It baffles me when people have not finished living this life, is wasting their time chasing another that is so abstract as a pink unicorn.

You believe no one knows if their is an afterlife or not, so how did that person that told you get to know since no one knows.. You just choose to believe out of greed and thats all..

have you ever seen miracles before?
no,
me, i have seen miracles before.
that's the difference between us now.
seeing is believing