SailorXY:
how many times did SAF commend Moyes for anything?

what is even the difference? we are stabilizing after Moyes' plummet, this should be ABC na

SAF didnt have to talk about Moyes because people were already shouting his choice was sentimental. Good SAF has now clarified they did a thorough job in arriving at Moyes. He also alluded that Moyes only suffered same faith he suffered when he first took over Man United in 1989. Bad result after bad result you find your self in a tight corner.

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SAF:

"There appears to be an accepted view out there that there was no process (In selecting Moyes). Nonsense," Ferguson wrote.

"We feel we did everything the right way: quietly, thoroughly, professionally."

- Crushed -

Ferguson added he felt the "walls squeezing in" upon Moyes, whose struggles reminded him of his own early problems at Old Trafford following his arrival from Aberdeen in 1986 prior to United winning the 1990 FA Cup.

"As the results deteriorated, each defeat was a hammer blow to him," Ferguson recalled.

"I could see that in his demeanour. In January we bought Juan Mata and that gave everyone a lift but I could see the walls squeezing in, leaving David with less and less room to breathe. I know that feeling from 1989, when we went through a terrible spell.

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"You feel you are being crushed. The results gnawed away at David. Nobody could dispute how disappointing the season was. And it cost a man his job."

elampiro:


After rebuilding the team with 150m pounds?

Question: How long are going to blame Moyes for Gaal's struggle?

whose fault was our downfall from champions to 7th place in just few months? the same players who were champions+Fellaini+Mata?

elampiro:


After rebuilding the team with 150m pounds?

Moyes was only a victim of circumstance. Many of our players were weak, our 2012/13 season was a camouflage. We won most matches with one goal difference and Man City didn't even contest as they did the previous season. Moyes took over from the best manager in the world who knew every bit of his players (strength and weaknesses). Van Gaal had the benefit of learning from Moyes mistakes. Has he done that? Moyes thought he inherited a team of champions with Vidic, Ferdinand, Anderson, Cleverley, Feltcher, Butnner, Smalling, Evans, Jones, Chicha, Kagawa, etc. But these players disappointed. He never expected that. Januzaj became our best player. SAF backroom staff had fatten our boys with bad food like chips. Scholes had retired, Giggs was old, so Moyes didn't have those two guys to help him out as we called Scholes out of retirement before.

When Gaal arrived, he wanted to try Cleverley, Anderson, Feltcher, Chicha, Welbeck, Kagawa, etc. He soon had to realized that it wasnt Moyes fault as the boys were past their best due to eating chips. It was a matter of time before United fell into the relegation zone, so we went on spending spree.


Question: How long are going to blame Moyes for Gaal's struggle?

What part of rebuilding escapes your understanding? if u r rebuilding a house ,do u do so in a day or in months? Some united fans baffle me a lot




Question: If SAF had stayed for one more season with d same squad ,would we finish in 7th position?

SailorXY:


whose fault was our downfall from champions to 7th place in just few months? the same players who were champions+Fellaini+Mata?

Look at Dortmund, they didn't change coach but their fortune changed within few months.

You should blame Gaal for his own woes.


Did you see Sociedad today? Their second half display was wonderful after a disjointed first. Their second half fluid soccer is better than anything Gaal has played this season. If they had Rooney or RVP to convert their chances, they could have scored 4 goals in the second half. It was like watching Liverpool team playing their best fluid football.

parrotibaba:

What part of rebuilding escapes your understanding? if u r rebuilding a house ,do u do so in a day or in months? Some united fans baffle me a lot

Question: If SAF had stayed for one more season with d same squad ,would we finish in 7th position?

we would have certainly won the league again last season. there was no single outstanding team - that was why 3 or 4 teams appeared to be running away with the title for most parts of the campaign before city clinched it.

some idïots would always make excuses for failure - it's their human nature. they are failure themselves & they have an excuse for being failures. moyes was a failure - the money LVG spent on players = the value of the players that got sold, retired or went on loan.

PietroRico:
pics or

Make I finish am...pics or wedonbilivit!

parrotibaba:


What part of rebuilding escapes your understanding? if u r rebuilding a house ,do u do so in a day or in months? Some united fans baffle me a lot

So Gaal is rebuilding Man United from 7th to 4th after spending 150m? Ukwu!!!

Gaal should carry his own cross. Leave Moyes out of this.

parrotibaba:


Question: If SAF had stayed for one more season with d same squad ,would we finish in 7th position?

I will answer like this. If it was Gaal who played with Cleverley, etc Ferdinand, in 2013/14 season, we would have finished 12th.


Secondly, Klopp is struggling with his own team in just after a few months. Forget all these connections your are trying to make with 2012/13 and 2013/14 season. It's football, things happen.

elampiro:


Look at Dortmund, they didn't change coach but their fortune changed within few months.

You should blame Gaal for his own woes.

Did you see Sociedad today? Their second half display was wonderful after a disjointed first. Their second half fluid soccer is better than anything Gaal has played this season. If they had Rooney or RVP to convert their chances, they could have scored 4 goals in the second half. It was like watching Liverpool team playing their best fluid football.

what woes are you still talking about? LvG is rebuilding the squad and you keep rhyming woes

you want to place us on same scale with Dortmund? really? when was the last time we dropped out of top 2 not to mention Europe?
and what da fvck is Real Sociedad for fvck's sake

the kind logic you and your second dey produce sometimes eh, e go better o

david moyes' record in spain.

played - 19 games
won - 6 games
drew - 8 games
lost - 5 games.

win% - 31.58%

but let's blame his poor record in spain on cleverley, ferdinand, vidic and anderson. if you put moyes in barcelona, they would finish 16th.

SailorXY:

what woes are you still talking about? LvG is rebuilding the squad and you keep rhyming woes

you want to place us on same scale with Dortmund? really? when was the last time we dropped out of top 2 not to mention Europe?
and what da fvck is Real Sociedad for fvck's sake

the kind logic you and your second dey produce sometimes eh, e go better o

What rebuilding nonsense excuse? He sacked the weak players who failed Moyes. That's his own choice. If those players were really good, Gaal would have retained them. The same players won preason, but returned to the EPL to continue their failure.

Gaal was not supposed to finish below 3rd- strong 3rd position. We were told he was a world class coach. Some of you were his forerunners and the way you guys spoke it was like he would contest for the title even if handed Okomu oil players. Fast forward 9 months later, you guys are making rebuilding excuses for a 'world class coach' who bought some of the best players in the world. We have the best strikers in the EPL in the last 7 years. Best striker in the world in the last 3 years. Best winger/midfielder in the last one year. Best goalkeeper. What is his excuse?

I am very sure that RVP and Rooney goals return were better under Moyes. Remember, Moyes also used Rooney in midfield. Mata's goals and Assists returns were better under Moyes. Are we going backward? Is he not suppose to consolidate on the performance of these lads?

See binghya n elampiro...if LvG coached Utd last season, players like cleverley n the rest won't make it till d end f d season...they'd be shipped off in January.

It's not compulsory to use SAF's players...just get good results. Shikena.

elampiro:


Look at Dortmund, they didn't change coach but their fortune changed within few months.

You should blame Gaal for his own woes.


Did you see Sociedad today? Their second half display was wonderful after a disjointed first. Their second half fluid soccer is better than anything Gaal has played this season. If they had Rooney or RVP to convert their chances, they could have scored 4 goals in the second half. It was like watching Liverpool team playing their best fluid football.

do u think dat u would hv posted d bolded if klopp was just a new coach at Dortmund? obviously u won't cos he would hv been sack last year ...same stuff happened to Roy @ Liverpool when he took dem to d bottom ,he was given d boot



I don't care about how "fluid" (as u claimed) de played in a single match ,all I care about is what he did when he was at united ,how many games did we play well last season? for a team like united to put in 79 crosses in a single match against a lowly Fulham was d height of embarrassment for Moyes n according to Ferdinand "sometimes our main tactics was the high ,long diagonal cross,it was embarrassing!. In our home against Fulham, we had 81 crosses! ,I was thinking why r we doing this? Andy Carroll doesn't play for us" .This is d man u expect to do wonders with better players who obviously will feel tired of playing for him. He had a good squad n he destroyed it ...U keep blaming his disaster on d aging stars of d team but look at juventus ,by ur opinion de should be in 7th position because of d plethora of old players in dia squad

elampiro:


What rebuilding nonsense excuse? He sacked the weak players who failed Moyes. That's his own choice. If those players were really good, Gaal would have retained them. The same players won preason, but returned to the EPL to continue their failure.

Gaal was not supposed to finish below 3rd- strong 3rd position. We were told he was a world class coach. Some of you were his forerunners and the way you guys spoke it was like he would contest for the title even if handed Okomu oil players. Fast forward 9 months later, you guys are making rebuilding excuses for a 'world class coach' who bought some of the best players in the world. We have the best strikers in the EPL in the last 7 years. Best striker in the world in the last 3 years. Best winger/midfielder in the last one year. Best goalkeeper. What is his excuse?

I am very sure that RVP and Rooney goals return were better under Moyes. Remember, Moyes also used Rooney in midfield. Mata's goals and Assists returns were better under Moyes. Are we going backward? Is he not suppose to consolidate on the performance of these lads?

Hahan. Eliepiro...

Leyqute:
See binghya n elampiro...if LvG coached Utd last season, players like cleverley n the rest won't make it till d end f d season...they'd be shipped off in January.

It's not compulsory to use SAF's players...just get good results. Shikena.

As of January, things looked good. We were still hopeful on contesting for the title, and then:

* Mata was being negotiated.
* There was news that RVP was set to return from a long term injury.
* Rooney was close to return.
* Fellaini was set to return from injury.
* Carrick and Fletcher were already back to starting from the bench.

It appeared we were going to smashed all our opponents. But the opposite was the case once the big guys took over from the younger players.

If we have brought in midfielders, the former players would have complained that they were not given opportunity under the new manager.

Leyqute:
See binghya n elampiro...if LvG coached Utd last season, players like cleverley n the rest won't make it till d end f d season...they'd be shipped off in January.

It's not compulsory to use SAF's players...just get good results. Shikena.

they might have improved under van gaal like fellaini & young are doing. even smalling has transformed into a top class defender - he had cïsse in his pocket throughout at st. james park.

opta just sent me an alert of the match info between us & tottenham next sunday and the statistics feel like the old time again.

•united have won 11 of their last 13 premier league games at old trafford(W11, D1, L1)

•united have lost only 2 of their last 18 premier league games(W12, D4, L2)

this time last season, moyes had the worst form at OT. teams were taking awoof points from us - he turned fortress old trafford into an edo pröstitute market.

may thunder fire moyes wherever he is......

...And stop mentioning real sociedad please, any tom ,dick n harry can coach d team ,d team has no realistic ambitions expect not get relegated ,d case can't be said of bigger teams with bigger ambitions ,dats were u see d good coaches ,he can keep coaching average teams n taking dem up to d 11th position for all we bloody care ...






Mark Hughes is currently doing well (by Stoke's standard) in d league but what did he achieve at city during his stint there? dats what makes a coach better dan others

elampiro:


As of January, things looked good. We were still hopeful on contesting for the title, and then:

* Mata was being negotiated.
* There was news that RVP was set to return from a long term injury.
* Rooney was close to return.
* Fellaini was set to return from injury.
* Carrick and Fletcher were already back to starting from the bench.

It appeared we were going to smashed all our opponents. But the opposite was the case once the big guys took over from the younger players.

If we have brought in midfielders, the former players would have complained that they were not given opportunity under the new manager.

Hahan. #Eliepiro Jan 2014 Man Utd was 5pts away from 4th position and 11pts from the top. How can one still be "contesting for the title" in that condition. Moyes shoulda done sth in January to salvage the situation. He only bought Mata, when we had Kagawa already. Srsly I dunno y u r defending the guy. He may v done well in Everton or be doing ok in Sociedad but with Utd he was utter c.rap. Dude was outta his depth n clueless.

parrotibaba:
...And stop mentioning real sociedad please, any tom ,dick n harry can coach d team ,d team has no realistic ambitions expect not get relegated ,d case can't be said of bigger teams with bigger ambitions ,dats were u see d good coaches ,he can keep coaching average teams n taking dem up to d 11th position for all we bloody care ...

Mark Hughes is currently doing well (by Stoke's standard) in d league but what did he achieve at city during his stint there? dats what makes a coach better dan others

just imagine wetin the guy dey yan! Real Soceidad... as if comparing United to Dortmund wasn't insult enough.

i smh seriously

coogar:


they might have improved under van gaal like fellaini & young are doing. even smalling has transformed into a top class defender - he had cïsse in his pocket throughout at st. james park.

opta just sent me an alert of the match info between us & tottenham next sunday and the statistics feel like the old time again.

•united have won 11 of their last 13 premier league games at old trafford(W11, D1, L1)

•united have lost only 2 of their last 18 premier league games(W12, D4, L2)

this time last season, moyes had the worst form at OT. teams were taking awoof points from us - he turned fortress old trafford into an edo pröstitute market.

may thunder fire moyes wherever he is......

Moyes z an average coach and should coach average teams, shikena.

parrotibaba:
do u think dat u would hv posted d bolded if klopp was just a new coach at Dortmund? obviously u won't cos he would hv been sack last year ...same stuff happened to Roy @ Liverpool when he took dem to d bottom ,he was given d boot



I don't care about how "fluid" (as u claimed) de played in a single match ,all I care about is what he did when he was at united ,how many games did we play well last season? for a team like united to put in 79 crosses in a single match against a lowly Fulham was d height of embarrassment for Moyes n according to Ferdinand "sometimes our main tactics was the high ,long diagonal cross,it was embarrassing!. In our home against Fulham, we had 81 crosses! ,I was thinking why r we doing this? Andy Carroll doesn't play for us" .This is d man u expect to do wonders with better players who obviously will feel tired of playing for him. He had a good squad n he destroyed it ...U keep blaming his disaster on d aging stars of d team but look at juventus ,by ur opinion de should be in 7th position because of d plethora of old players in dia squad

I guess you know that the 79 crosses was also a one off incidence. I don't agree he inherited a good squad. He inherited a squad that two legends had retired. Two centre back 'veterans' had past their prime. The Klopp case is buttressing my point that it wasnt the manager's fault.

At this time I don't care what happened last season. We arent playing well this season. Liverpool and Arsenal are playing better and would likely displace us from top 4 finish, except now that Skrtel in injured. We have to hope he doesnt come back soon 'cos he is the best defender in the league now. Liverpool are solid with him but most vulnerable without him.

Leyqute:


Moyes z an average coach and should coach average teams, shikena.

so average, no top player wanted to work with him. if we had LVG when that scottish föol was appointed, we would certainly have signed fabregas, thiago, etc. i mean who would work with a morön like moyes?

parrotibaba:
...And stop mentioning real sociedad please, any tom ,dick n harry can coach d team ,d team has no realistic ambitions expect not get relegated ,d case can't be said of bigger teams with bigger ambitions ,dats were u see d good coaches ,he can keep coaching average teams n taking dem up to d 11th position for all we bloody care ...






Mark Hughes is currently doing well (by Stoke's standard) in d league but what did he achieve at city during his stint there? dats what makes a coach better dan others

I should not mention Real Sociedad. But many guys were mentioning Martinez last season as if Everton was a big team, We must make reference to teams Moyes has coached or is coaching for comparison. He is yet to even bring his own players to Real Sociedad to make it a top club.

elampiro:


What rebuilding nonsense excuse? He sacked the weak players who failed Moyes. That's his own choice. If those players were really good, Gaal would have retained them. The same players won preason, but returned to the EPL to continue their failure.

Gaal was not supposed to finish below 3rd- strong 3rd position. We were told he was a world class coach. Some of you were his forerunners and the way you guys spoke it was like he would contest for the title even if handed Okomu oil players. Fast forward 9 months later, you guys are making rebuilding excuses for a 'world class coach' who bought some of the best players in the world. We have the best strikers in the EPL in the last 7 years. Best striker in the world in the last 3 years. Best winger/midfielder in the last one year. Best goalkeeper. What is his excuse?

I am very sure that RVP and Rooney goals return were better under Moyes. Remember, Moyes also used Rooney in midfield. Mata's goals and Assists returns were better under Moyes. Are we going backward? Is he not suppose to consolidate on the performance of these lads?

what was the confidence level with Moyes?? going against SAF advice immediately he resumed duty. the mere announcement that Moyes has been sacked & Ryan Giggs (with no coaching experience) has been installed as care-taker raised the spirit @ Old Trafford even without a ball being kicked.

Vidic would have still been with us cuz he is a red @ heart but he wanted to escape Moyes @ all cost. van Persie suddenly became fit the moment Moyes got sacked. Ferdinand had very little interest filing out under Moyes, the players who picked up knocks were not even eager to return to training. the only player who benefited from the shiite we got mired in was Rooney, why won't you be sacked? you could only motivate 1/23 men while there were growing whispers of discontent in the squad & you expect a pat on the back? there was nothing like circumstances - i don't care what he now does in Afghanistan - Gollum failed woefully in Manchester United & we are rising from the ashes as our legendary SAF has insinuated, whether you like it or not! QED

Leyqute:


Hahan. #Eliepiro Jan 2014 Man Utd was 5pts away from 4th position and 11pts from the top. How can one still be "contesting for the title" in that condition. Moyes shoulda done sth in January to salvage the situation. He only bought Mata, when we had Kagawa already. Srsly I dunno y u r defending the guy. He may v done well in Everton or be doing ok in Sociedad but with Utd he was utter c.rap. Dude was outta his depth n clueless.

That table was even after we lost our first game in January. However, with only 11 points to catch the top team and 5 points into top 4, there was mighty hope with 18 matches to and with your biggest players about to return from injury. RVP, Rooney, Fellaini, Carrick and Fletcher were just about to return. Mata was on his way.

Haba!

coogar:


so average, no top player wanted to work with him. if we had LVG when that scottish föol was appointed, we would certainly have signed fabregas, thiago, etc. i mean who would work with a morön like moyes?

If LvG took over from SAF last season, we won't finish 7th and the squad woulda been better than it is now

SailorXY:

just imagine wetin the guy dey yan! Real Soceidad... as if comparing United to Dortmund wasn't insult enough.

i smh seriously

You are confused. Why do you guys keep bringing Moyes tenure to defend Gaal's failure?

SailorXY:

what was the confidence level with Moyes?? going against SAF advice immediately he resumed duty. the mere announcement that Moyes has been sacked & Ryan Giggs (with no coaching experience) has been installed as care-taker raised the spirit @ Old Trafford even without a ball being kicked.

Vidic would have still been with us cuz he is a red @ heart but he wanted to escape Moyes @ all cost. van Persie suddenly became fit the moment Moyes got sacked. Ferdinand had very little interest filing out under Moyes, the players who picked up knocks were not even eager to return to training. the only player who benefited from the shiite we got mired in was Rooney, why won't you be sacked? you could only motivate 1/23 men while there were growing whispers of discontent in the squad & you expect a pat on the back? there was nothing like circumstances - i don't care what he now does in Afghanistan - Gollum failed woefully in Manchester United & we are rising from the ashes as our legendary SAF has insinuated, whether you like it or not! QED

What was the results when Moyes was sacked? Moyes was still on track to qualify for Europa, but when he left everything collapsed further. Evidence that he was managing a weak team.

Leyqute:


If LvG took over from SAF last season, we won't finish 7th and the squad woulda been better than it is now

SAF has to apologise to united fans for that.
a club that has laid its foundation on consistent success went on to hire a manager that won 0 titles in 12 seasons. it's the worst decision in the history of association football.

LVG now has to clear the debris left by moyes - whereas, LVG could have just started with the clean record SAF left when he retired. LVG has done an outstanding job - the comparison at this stage should be with moyes, not SAF(yet).

elampiro:


That table was even after we lost our first game in January. However, with only 11 points to catch the top team and 5 points into top 4, there was mighty hope with 18 matches to and with your biggest players about to return from injury. RVP, Rooney, Fellaini, Carrick and Fletcher were just about to return. Mata was on his way.

Haba!

Players who didn't impress before injury will impress after returning from injury? Elamps na u biko o. Gollum had no balls and is clueless, players can fail coaches but a good coach makes sure that doesn't happen. How many of those players had a 1 goal in 120 min record?

As a Man Utd coach, you're expected to deliver results no matter what. U don't keep having faith in players unnecessarily

david moyes - the king of failure!!!

Leyqute:


Players who didn't impress before injury will impress after returning from injury? Elamps na u biko o. Gollum had no balls and is clueless, players can fail coaches but a good coach makes sure that doesn't happen. How many of those players had a 1 goal in 120 min record?

As a Man Utd coach, you're expected to deliver results no matter what. U don't keep having faith in players unnecessarily

Remember: We were eliminated from Carling cup in the semi final by DDG's last minute error.

We were still in the UCL with a good run. A UCL playing team is not a failure.

We bought Mata thinking he was a magician.

Fellaini had not been really tested.