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Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 9:29am On Mar 08, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger:sweet talks. when i first talked u on nl, you displayed no sign of interest. You owe it to yourself. Oh i see, if you were interested in Islam, why you didn't criticize your girl friend in the beginning for nonsense threads?. Stop this nonsense. It irritates me. If you want to learn Islam, you will simply ask....simple 3 Likes |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by PastorKun(m): 9:48am On Mar 08, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Lol at least it's not so low that I can't unlike you recognise a glaringly false self serving prophet if I read about one. |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 10:38am On Mar 08, 2015 |
Empiree: Don't make me laugh |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 11:00am On Mar 08, 2015 |
DEFINITION OF QUR'AN [size=20pt]Q[/size] uality (Quran, chapter 41, verse 34) [size=20pt]U[/size] nity (Quran, chapter 3, verse 103) [size=20pt]R[/size] flection(Quran, chapter 4, verse 82) [size=20pt]A[/size] ction (Quran, chapter 28, verse 77) [size=20pt]N[/size] ature (Quran, chapter 3, verse 84) 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Rilwayne001: 11:47am On Mar 08, 2015 |
PastorKun: <<< go your way please. 1 Like |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 11:52am On Mar 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212:so u want to become ibn ishaq now?. i wont take u serious. You quoted qur'an verses...but do you believe in it ? 3 Likes |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Rilwayne001: 11:56am On Mar 08, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger: The above part is okay. I don't need anyone coming to twist things for me. Yeah same with me. [s] Empiree and Rilwayne have proven that they have masters who give them talking points. I have seen the older comments from Tbaba and other older muslims in the islam section from which Rilwayne/Empiree copy from. [/s] The above is gibberish. 2 Likes |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 2:42pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: You know that it is the truth! |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by 9jaforlife: 10:31pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
Empiree: End of Discussion! 2 Likes |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 12:05am On Mar 09, 2015 |
Lol, Bible Condemns Itself. Revised Standard Version Faults King James Bible. This is From Preface Of RSV. PREFACE [size=4pt]The Revised Standard Version of the Bible is an authorized revision of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611. The first English version of the Scriptures made by direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek, and the first to be printed, was the work of William Tyndale. He met bitter opposition. He was accused of willfully per- verting the meaning of the Scriptures, and his New Testaments were ordered to be burned as "untrue translations." He was finally betrayed into the hands of his enemies, and in October 1536 ? was publicly executed and burned at the stake. Yet Tyndale's work became the foundation of subsequent English versions, notably those of Coverdale, 1535; Thomas Matthew (probably a pseudonym for John Rogers), 1537; the Great Bible, 1539; the Geneva Bible, 1560; and the Bishops' Bible, 1568. In 1582 a translation of the New Testament, made from the Latin Vulgate by Roman Catholic scholars, was published at Rheims. The translators who made the King James Version took into account all of these preceding versions; and comparison shows that it owes something to each of them. It kept felicitous phrases and apt expressions, from whatever source, which had stood the test of public usage. It owed most, especially in the New Testament, to Tyndale. The King James Version had to compete with the Geneva Bible in popular use; but in the end it prevailed, and for more than two and a half centuries no other authorized translation of the Bible into English was made. The King James Version became the "Authorized Version" of the English-speaking peoples.[/size] The King James Version has with good reason been termed "the noblest monument of English prose." Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for "its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression . . . the music of its cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm." It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt. Yet the King James Version has GRAVE DEFECTS. By the middle of the nine- teenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870. The English Revised Version of the Bible was published in 1881-1885; and the American Standard Version, its variant embodying the preferences of the American scholars associated in the work, was published in 1901. This is the version of the Bible ifeann credited and recommended so much. Source: http://archive.org/stream/OxfordAnnotatedBibleRevisedStandardVersion-r.s.v.1952/TheOxfordAnnotatedBibleR.s.v.1952_djvu.txt 4 Likes |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by yazach: 9:59am On Mar 09, 2015 |
Interesting thread!!!!! Kudos to the likes of empiree and Rilwayne001 My deductions from the thread As for Empiree and Rilwayne001 1- JazakumuLLahu khaira 2- When people like Ifenn starts abusing our beloved Prophet(sallah LLahu alaihi wa-salaam) let us ignore them but when they show sing of having sense, we can educate them As for Ifenn the followings suit her 1- It seems she is deaf and dumb regarding this topic 2- She doesn't even know the bible and she wants to tell us she is a sheikh 3- When she has no where to copy an answer to a question, she is deaf and dumb 4- I don't know when she is going to start using her own brain and stop copy and paste 5- She only read from Islamophobia sites so it is very difficult for her to use her own brain 6- When she know she has been hooked, she will try to change the topic.(I have noticed that for long but thanks to the OP and empiree, they did not allowed her) 7- She is suspected to have been programmed 8- She has no integrity else, she won't abuse our prophet although I don't blame her that is how they even abuse their God and Jesus As for malvis212 (hahahahah I can't stop laughing) 1- He always appears to be a zombie 2- Garbage in Garbage Out that is all 3- Always trying to dodge the topic of discussion by changing it As for AllNaijaBlogger 1- He is in kindergarten when it comes to sound knowledge because he is unfortunate to have right source to acquire the knowledge As for pastorkun 1- was he saying anything at all (I don't think you can hear an ant making sound) 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Shirley07: 11:50am On Mar 09, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:Jesus didn't read the OT per se, he only read the prophecy about him and confirmed it through his words and works (signs and wonders). For example in Luke 4:16-21, it says ''he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up and as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath and stood to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, the Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captive, and recovering of sight to the blind... 20. And he closed the book and he gave it again to the minister and sat down. And the eyes of all of them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, this day, this scripture is fulfilled in your ears. 22. And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, is not this Joseph's son?''. All in all, Christ only read the prophetic words of OT to confirm his works to all ears. I can't believe you would think he read the whole OT when he's acquainted with everything and older than the OT itself. Remember, He was with his Father at the time of creation and nothing was made without him- John 1:3. I repeat Jesus is the Word of God, hence, he's our gospel. 1 Like |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 6:14pm On Mar 09, 2015 |
yazach: 90% of the time, those who claim to be intelligent on nairaland are quite the opposite . It is funny how you judge all the christians wrong on Jesus and the bible. |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 12:40am On Mar 10, 2015 |
HELSINKI (AP) — Finland's state radio channel YLE is broadcasting readings of the entire Quran in Finnish to improve knowledge of Muslim culture in the Nordic country. The 60 half-hour readings are accompanied by comments from the translator of the Islamic holy book and Imam Anas Hajjar of Finland's Islamic Society. The chairman of the organization, Mohammad Hussein Omar, on Sunday described the readings as a good way to help people understand the religion and Muslim customs better. There are an estimated 50,000 to 60,000 Muslims in Finland, which has an overall population of 5.5 million. The country has only one building constructed as a mosque, in the early 1940s. Other Muslim prayer rooms or mosques are former schools, cinemas or municipal halls. 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by 9jaforlife: 4:14am On Mar 10, 2015 |
yazach:Gbam! 2 Likes |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 5:56am On Mar 10, 2015 |
Tribute She has been waiting for her husband from Iraq for long. But not too long after reunion in Texas, her husband was gunned down outside their home while taken picture of snow. SAD 2 Likes
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Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 7:07am On Mar 10, 2015 |
Empiree: Don't you think you are as ridiculous as those who incessantly post "Arab man kills infidel" anti-muslim news? So what is the point of this post. How does it relate to the on going discussion? I see through your tactics |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by limamintruth: 10:29am On Mar 10, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Jesus is the gospel/word. So your question doesnt make sense. |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 12:14pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger:pardon 2 Likes |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 12:25pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
limamintruth:which gospel/word?. The last time i checked there are over 40 gospel versions with lots of differences, distortion, manipulation confusion, blasphemy....the list goes on. King James Version is dubbed the most reliable version but badly faulted by Revised Standard Version , thus: Lol, Bible Condemns Itself. Revised Standard Version Faults King James Bible. This is From Preface Of RSV.So which version Jesus preached? 3 Likes |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 12:26pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Rilwayne001: 12:38pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
limamintruth: Which means he has nothing to do with the bible? or can you please elaborate on what you said above? |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by plainbibletruth: 1:27pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: What was in existence when Jesus Christ lived on earth was the Old Testament. The New Testament was written subsequently. Many manuscripts exist of these in the original languages. What we have today are various translations from these original languages. The Quran too has different translations. The true Muslim must believe in the authenticity of the Bible as Mohammed did – Sura 5: 68, Sura 21: 7 When Jesus Christ is called THE WORD OF GOD it means he embodies all of God’s revelation to mankind. See Sura 3:45; 5: 46, 110; 57:27. Is that title not also one of Jesus’ titles in the Quran – i.e. the title of the Word of God. |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 1:43pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
plainbibletruth:Man, don't get it twisted. Qur'an is Arabic, one version. Translation are not Qur'an. Empiree: 3 Likes |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Shirley07: 1:47pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:Christ words are in the Bible and in his name, every knees and tongues like you and the devil shall confess him as Lord. |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 1:55pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
Shirley07:Which bible ? You have over 40 different versions. Which one jesus read?. 2 Likes |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Shirley07: 9:09pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
Empiree:You made no sense just like Mohammed never did. Jesus couldn't have read the bible when he already has the knowledge of all the works in the O.T and even then, the bible wasn't even complete at that time. The books Jesus read were books of the prophet which talked about him and affirmed that he's truly the son of God. The gospels he preached were of himself, salvation, God's kingdom, his death and resurrection which are all written in the New testament. Hence, Jesus is our gospel and message. The song writer goes thus: Jesus only is our Message, Jesus all our theme shall be, We will lift up Jesus ever, Jesus only will we see. Chorus: Jesus only, Jesus ever! Jesus all, in all we sing, Saviour, Sanctifier, Healer, Baptizer and coming King. 1 Like |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by limamintruth: 9:49pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: The Holy Bible consist of the gospel which is the word of God (Kalmatullah) in written form. And Jesus Christ is the Word of God made flesh (in human form). So are you asking if Jesus Christ read of Himself or what exactly? 1 Like |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by limamintruth: 10:25pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
Empiree: Oh, you mean just like your Caliph Uthman-created quran that also has various versions in english, as can be seen below :- QURAN 37:102 Sahih International: And when he reached with him [the age of] exertion, he said, "O my son, indeed I have seen in a dream that I [must] sacrifice you, so see what you think." He said, "O my father, do as you are commanded. You will find me, if Allah wills, of the steadfast." Pickthall: And when (his son) was old enough to walk with him, (Abraham) said: O my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I must sacrifice thee. So look, what thinkest thou? He said: O my father! Do that which thou art commanded. Allah willing, thou shalt find me of the steadfast. Yusuf Ali: Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!" Shakir: And when he attained to working with him, he said: O my son! surely I have seen in a dream that I should sacrifice you; consider then what you see. He said: O my father! do what you are commanded; if Allah please, you will find me of the patient ones. Muhammad Sarwar: When his son was old enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I have had a dream that I must sacrifice you. What do you think of this?" He replied, "Father, fulfill whatever you are commanded to do and you will find me patient, by the will of God". E.T.C. [ Therefore Mr. Ignoramus, Irrespective of how many times english as a language evolves, the content & message of the Holy Bible still remains the same forever]. Except maybe you were only referring to the alleged divine book with the following dubious history :- "The third caliph, Uthman, became famous, or rather infamous, for Quran burning. Distressing reports had filtered to him from battlefield generals who were fighting against the Armenians and other nations on the edge of his burgeoning Islamic empire: different versions of the Quran were overheard being recited. Caliph Uthman had a bold idea. He made a new edition of the Quran and demanded that all other editions be surrendered and burnt. Not everyone liked this. After all, Uthman was not one of the four people Prophet Muhammad had said Muslims could trust to issue the Quran. Ibn Mas'ud, on the other hand, was. He refused point-blank to surrender his collection of the Quran, which he claimed he got directly from Muhammad. Ali, the famous one who was Prophet Mohammed's son-in-law and the soon-to-be fourth caliph, at first refused to surrender his Quran to the flames. He finally gave in under pressure, but he was not pleased. Some claim Ali's displeasure led him to participate in the assassination of Uthman -- staged while Uthman was reading his new version of the Quran. One report has the assassins dramatically screaming, "You changed Allah's Quran!" as they plunged knives into the fading caliph's body. Ali's followers, who became the Shiites, to this day feel that Uthman tampered with the Quran to deprive Ali's family of the hereditary right to lead Islam. Caliph Uthman's bonfire dealt a blow to textual criticism of the Quran. Fortunately, some hidden pre-Uthmanic manuscripts survived and have slowly come to light, although access to them has been limited: their very existence goes against the party line that the Quran has never been changed. We know that Ibn Mas'ud's version was different from the modern Quran. For example, it did not include the important first sura, known as the 'Fatiha'.... " 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 11:33pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
limamintruth:Too much talks doesnt solve anything. All you have to do is present Quran that contradict themselves. For instance, there are some Bibles that have some verses expunged. The like of Amplified Bible which is missing many books etc. I can go on and write out more examples. But in the Quran, even english translations they are consistent. I was reading a Bible(name withheld) 2days ago and it's missing a verse like say John 13:1,2,4,5,6,7,8,10. Can you spot what i am talking about?. But you will never see this with Quran. Let me remind you again that Quran is in arabic. It's all the same. Once it's translated in to other language(s), it's no longer Quran, it's translation of the meaning. Your (Bible) original manuscripts are lost in history. So if you think there are inconsistencies with Quran, kindly bring them forward. I dont want to hear much talks like you did up there. That's irrelevant. All i need from you is evidence. Simple right?. ifeaan and dejign already tried this but failed. You are next. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by Empiree: 11:39pm On Mar 10, 2015 |
Shirley07:Okay, that means Jesus has no idea of over 40 different bibles that you now have, that have much discrepancies within them. Okay, good you have answered the question. It means Jesus didn't preach Christianity. He has no idea what it is. 3 Likes |
Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by limamintruth: 12:55am On Mar 11, 2015 |
Empiree: Lmao, So after exposing your folly in respect of the Holy Bible's English translations you criticised by enlightening you about your beloved quran's many english versions too, all you could do is to hastily scribble down this balderdash of cheap talk right ? Why not then show me the Holy Bible translations that contradict themselves then? Empiree: You still have said nothing mister. Why are you shying away from quoting the Bible verse(s) allegedely missing in the translation as mentioned by you Empiree: BlaBlaBla... As i said earlier, kindly release the name(s) of the Bible translation(s) then. Or else, your allegation remains baseless. Empiree: Lol, this is really getting interesting . So you mean the quran english translation is not regarded as the actual arabic quran right? ? Does that mean the english translation is only a mere book of interpretation, hence, shouldnt to refered to as the actual supposed 'divine' book? Lallai kam! Mind you the Holy Bible is not limited to only one language because it is the true message of God that is meant for all nations of the world who speak diverse languages. Our God understand all languages and listens to prayers of the believers spoken in all languages. Our God is not a God of confusion. He has a purpose for allowing nations of the earth to speak in diverse tongues. And at least, i accurately cited an example of some quranic versions, whereas, you havent cited any Bible verse to buttress your point in your lenghthy post of gibberish. So i can see you are the kid here. I'l leave you with the piece of uthman quranic translations with contradictory words for you ponder upon tonight : Yusuf Ali : He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning);... Pickthall : He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - ... Shakir : He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive ... (So kindly explain to us how the following terms (from the quranic texts above) mean the same thing mister-mallam-wannabe :- - basic or fundamental (of established meaning) - clear revelations - some of its verses are decisive. ) |
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