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Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by semitunde: 8:37am On Mar 12, 2015 |
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Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by semitunde: 8:39am On Mar 12, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: Morning ore. That you can make the above claim is really unfortunate. You must really be sniffing something. If you have made a mistake admit it and don't try to be smart by half impugning other peoples character. For the avoidance of doubt I never removed modified any of my posts with such devilish intent. The fact thatyou can see post history means you're a mod and this is very unfortunate. Seun cannot monitor everyone but maybe his supermods can. Check the history and if you don't find any of such modification, ban yourself cos you have broken rule 2,3 and 7. However ore, I can accuse you of such duplicity, bile and cunningness. You are used to it. Its what you do often, modifying comments. Let me remind you of when I noticed your moniker: You got a source that said something like "50 influencial Nigerians abroad". You came here, made a thread having "20 influencial Nigerians..." And you went ahead to post Igbo names numbering even more than 20. When you were called out for the fraud you argued that it was the way those names were arranged from the source site and you quickly changed the title back to the original 50 after another person started posting the Yoruba names from.the same site. Pls point out where I modified and let's discuss it. P.S. I type from my phone and I mostly don't have the time to edit before posting. But the excuse us mostly for grammatical errors. |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by semitunde: 9:16am On Mar 12, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: You quite annoyed me in your other post. This is more friendly and I will follow suit. I will also withdraw the caustic comment if you do yours. I'm not here to make enemies, it doesn't bring food to my table. Back to your new accusation. Do you know the number of States I've been to by virtue of my work? I was tell the story of the igbo boy in Benue and some other Hausa guys in the north ( Bornu state actually), you think they are jokes or lies? No ore, that also doesn't also put food on my table. I've probably been to many note states than you have ever ventured going. Travelling is education and enlightenment. You aren't chating with someone seated in his state bro. About verified or verifiable sources that you said you quote from. When did wikipedia become one if such? Yet you have quoted Wikipedia as if I cant create one and modify as I like. Finally, I'm sold on the fact that you actually are the one the one that hasn't gone out of your domain. You may be educated, but not exposed, and I mean this not as an insult, many people are not exposed too. Unless you are joking, you won't say I must be dark skinned since I'm Yoruba. You have allowed yourself to believe your own lies that most Igbo are light skin. Bunkum. Many Igbo are as dark or even darker than the Congolese. But then again what is in colour of skin that it becomes a status symbol? If Ojukwu had bleached would you have accepted him more? Can you please tell me which states you have been to? 1 Like |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by StarFlux: 1:06pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:Since both Yoruba and Igbo don't allow for consonant clusters there will naturally be a ton of similar sounding words. Especially refering to /gw/, /kw/, /mm/ which are sounds that don't exist in many/most spoken Yoruba dialects, so simplification is void. In addtion, kw and gw are single consonants, like kp and gb, written using two letters. I assume you're refering to omi as in water, putting an m or n (tense marker) in front of a noun (which nearly exclusively starts with a vowel in Yoruba) wouldn't have made sense, not to mention the word is of the same construction as standard nouns (VCV). Water is also something everyone and everything has a word for as it is natural occuring. A very silly claim indeed. Then we come to baje, which is derived from the split verb ba .. je, you also have bati, bajo etc. The use of ba is common and rooted deep within the language. Egungun is simply a duplication of the word egun, meaning ancestors. There's nothing to suggest any borrowing, and claiming otherwise is pretty far fetched, borderline ridiculous actually. No educated person ever will take such statements seriously and kind of takes away any hint of seriousness you might've had previously. 1 Like |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by macof(m): 4:39pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: I already spoke of Oyinbo-mefun in Ota established in the 14th century or early 1400s Olaudah didn't write anything at 17th century he was born in the 18th century...why do u keep with moving his work 100yrs forward? such criminal intent you have You came asking for books written in the 17th century by Yorubas with oyinbo knowing that there aren't any. 18th century Igbos under Bini used the word doesn't mean it originated from Igbo language Igbos have been taking from Edos since the time of Oba Ewuare Which brings me to the fact that the word "Oba" was first written to refer to the king of Bini doesn't make Oba originally an Edo word If you can get past ur ethnic hatred for Yoruba(which is so obvious) you world realize words are first passed orally before they are written by those who got the chance...more so at a time when Southern Nigerians didn't write books You expect the first use of the word on paper to denote origin of the word? So Oba was first used only around 15th/16th century when the first Portuguese to do trade with Benin heard and wrote it? It is not wishing thinking, it's using the "head" your ability of cognizance 2 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by macof(m): 5:03pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: In order words Yoruba were so dumb that we didn't have a word for light skinned among us until Igbos came into Yorubaland in guise of Nigeria We didn't pick "Ebo" from Edos since 13th century, it's Oyibo we would pick from Igbos in the 20th century We didn't see any difference in Europeans and didn't have a word to describe them until 20th century Lmao Fact is Yoruba have not been influenced by Igbos in any way of linguistic, cultural or general ethnic identity. 2 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by macof(m): 5:17pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:How many Edos have u heard saying Oyibo? so Edo also copied from Igbos? Lol 1 Like |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by macof(m): 5:46pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: And so Igala must have copied it from Igbo? Wat exactly does Oyibo mean, some say English language, Onye Ibo and many more..we have no agreement on the logic behind the word. Wat we know is Igbo calls white people Onye Ocha...as simple as that, no complication Lagos state was never Nigeria's capital, only the Towns in the island, which the biggest is Eko(Lagos island, originally the only town known as Lagos) was. Calabar was capital too. Go learn history pls 1 Like |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by macof(m): 5:51pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
ChristyG: Yoruba do have historical ties with Igbo.. going back 2000BC we must have been of one ethnic identity But since the separation Yorubas have had next to nothing to do with Igbos |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by macof(m): 5:55pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: . Nonsense from ur ass...try using ur head more and stop ur hate it's damn too obvious 1 Like |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by macof(m): 6:16pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
semitunde: The guy believes if you are African and light skinned you must be Igbo as if only Igbo have different skin tone among them You would see how the guy said Oyibo is "O yi ibo" because Europeans look like Igbos 2 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by pazienza(m): 8:20pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
macof: Where did you get the idea that Ndiigbo call the whites onye ocha only? We call the white man different names, depending on the part of Igboland you are from. In my part, the Oyibo for white man is used differently from the Onye ocha. For example, all things associated with Whites is referred to as Oyibo, for example we say " obodo Oyibo " meaning the white man country, "Aki Oyibo" for Coconut, "Ego Oyibo" for foreign currency like dollar and paper money, Igbos were using cowries before the whites introduced paper and coins. My grand mother sister, her name was " Okwu Oyibo", meaning the white man era, she was born during the time my town Ogidi first had contact with the whites. Onyeocha is used to refer directly to a white man, while Oyibo, is used to refer to things connected with the white man and some times to the white man directly. More like Spanish and Spaniard is used for Spain. Oyibo is a very old Igbo word, in my part of Igbo land, for those in southern Igbo axis, "Bekee" took the place of "Oyibo", and central written Igbo chose Bekee over Oyibo. 4 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by pazienza(m): 8:23pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
To the southern Igbo groups( Imo and Abia), Oyibo is a foreign word, they are used to Bekee. To those of us from Anambra and Enugu area, Bekee is a word we learn in Igbo language class, Oyibo is the word we learnt at home. 4 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by macof(m): 8:29pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
pazienza: One might as well settle for The words being native to the people, all of southern Nigeria plus Igala use a form of Oyinbo/Oyibo to refer to white people I know Yorubas have always called light skinned people Oyinbo before even Europeans came along talkless interaction with the Igbos at the creation of Nigeria If anything Igbos under Benin developed Oyibo from Ebo as the Edo called Europeans 2 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by pazienza(m): 8:31pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
I had once read punch and other Yoruba news papers, I noticed they wrote "Oyingbo" for the white man, rarely did they use "Oyinbo". Is " Oyingbo" a dialectical variant of "Oyinbo",for the Yorubas or was it just a typographical error? 2 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by pazienza(m): 8:34pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
macof: Not at all, my town is in Anambra, and we never had any Bini influence. Let's agree that Ndiigbo invented Oyibo, while Yorubas invented Oyinbo, none borrowed from each other, just a co incidence. 6 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by StarFlux: 9:16pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
pazienza:If you're 100% sure it was used in that context, then in older texts, "ng" was sometimes used to express the syllabic "n", so it's probably written by someone elderly, which would make it a typo. In case it isn't a typo, then the meaning is altered. |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by Nowenuse: 10:31pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: BigFrancis i think u have a very terrible belief system which u must change. Why on 'planet Nigeria' do u think that only Igbos have fair-skinned people in Nigeria? That is an extremely myopic, blunt and poor idea or view. I remember that That was just the way u spoke on a past thread of mine on Handsomeness of Middlebelt men, u were claiming a particular guy could not be a middlebelter but an igbo because of his fair complexion. Do u think Igbos have more fair people than the fulanis or Akwa ibom people?? What about the Ebiras of Kogi and Idomas of Benue? There are so many fair people in yoruba land, go to Ondo state and see them almost everywhere. To me i think If there is any Nigerian group who should take pride in fair skin the most, it should be the Shuwa arabs of Borno, d fulanis or the Ibibio/Efiks, not even Igbos. Igbos have dark skinned people as much or even more than they have light skinned people, and many of them their fairness is even artificial, so much cosmetics involved. 5 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by bigfrancis21: 11:35pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
Nowenuse: LOL. All those paragraphs up there are totally unnecessary. It was only a fun reply to semitunde's question asking if I was going to ask him of his skin colour. Lol. I don't even care about skin colour. If you read my post well, you would have noticed it was intended to be humorous. The issue of Igbo's skin colour isn't what I'll dabble into too deeply so as to not appear being obsessed with 'skin colour'. Igbo are over 35 million in number. Now, let's talk math. I love figures. Assuming skin colour conservative ratio of 70:30 for DS vs LS gives about 21.5m vs 13.5m skin ratio. What's the population figure of Akwa Ibomites? Idomas? Igbiras? Assume a generous figure of 10 million for each, how much of that figure is not dark-skinned? All 10 million of them? Now, listen, for every 1 light-skinned middle belter or Akwa Ibomite that you show me, there are 20 Igbo of them. The huge population of Igbo makes sure of that. On that very thread, you went about claiming several people, especially Igbo, who were not from the Middle Belt and 'portraying' them as Middle Belters until I called you out on that. Moreover, I have never claimed anywhere that only Igbo are light-skinned in Nigeria. I know some Yorubas who are light-skinned. 9ce is one of them. On the same middle belt page, I never claimed such. Quote my post, I said 'most likely be Igbo'. On the streets of Lagos, a 'yellow yellow' person is automatically assumed to be 'Omo Ibo' until proven otherwise. To be honest, I've seen some very light-skinned Igbo that I get baffled myself. The light-skinned guy in the music group, Bracket is one example. He took a picture with a Caucasian one time (along with P Square's cousin - malcoholic) and there was utterly no difference in skin colour between both, the only difference being their different facial structures. https://instagram.com/malcoholic_obinna/p/yXZXY6JSiS/ Phyno is another one too. By the way, I'm not extolling LS in anyway. I prefer dark-skinned. 2 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by bigfrancis21: 11:40pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
macof: @bold...how do you know this? Without academic proof? Oh I remember, you've been living since 16th century. 2 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by bigfrancis21: 11:42pm On Mar 12, 2015 |
Nowenuse: My original post: bigfrancis21: |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by bigfrancis21: 3:20am On Mar 13, 2015 |
macof: If 'honey + peel' can make absolute 'sense' to you then 'o yi ibo' can make sense to easterners. |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by bigfrancis21: 3:33am On Mar 13, 2015 |
semitunde: I remember that thread clearly. Here is the link and confirm for yourself where the first 20 names are from, and it was in the same sequence I quoted from: https://kimberlyakinola./2013/10/28/50-inflential-people-you-wouldnt-believe-are-nigerians-part-1/ That thread I opened was specific initially for the link I sent you (the first 20 names). People cried foul, I included part 2 of the blog, increased the title to '50', in the spirit of fairness. Don't forget that the owner of the blog is yoruba. When I added extra people to the list I added from several parts of Nigeria. Or maybe you conveniently 'forgot' Hiipower who flooded the page with people from only one part of Nigeria. If you still have any deep-seated issues with that article, kindly take it up with Kimberly Akinola. 2 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by Ilekeh(f): 3:42am On Mar 13, 2015 |
Foreigners in Yorubaland claiming Yoruba language and culture. It's all good. No wahala. It's all right jor. All these Yoruba slangs go soon turn "Igbo slang" in 50years. They're even adding more and more yoruba words into Nigerian Pidgin...to make it sound sweeter. 2 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by Ilekeh(f): 3:45am On Mar 13, 2015 |
Yoruba sweet o. No wonder why it's popular in many Ivy League schools. 1 Like |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by bigfrancis21: 4:14am On Mar 13, 2015 |
pazienza: It might not be a typographical error. There is a market in Lagos called 'Oyingbo Market' and also an area in Lagos called 'Oyingbo'. Citation of 'oyingbo pepe' from this article: http://www.gerd-meuer-afrika.de/pages/de/fundstuecke/like-da-same-one.php |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by bigfrancis21: 4:24am On Mar 13, 2015 |
macof: 'Oyibo' town names in different Local Government Areas of Edo state: http://localitypincode.com/ng/oyibo-camp-postal-code-okada-lga-edo http://www.nigeriadirectory.com.ng/listings/oyibo-m-p-c-s-l-oredo-edo-state/ Sometimes, you need to stop talking ignorantly and learn to use google. Google is so easy to use. 3 Likes |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by bigfrancis21: 4:28am On Mar 13, 2015 |
macof: It is 100% possible 'oyinbo' derived from 'oyibo'. I have already provided my evidence. |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by bigfrancis21: 4:30am On Mar 13, 2015 |
macof: Calabar was Nigeria's first capital but I don't think it lasted too long to have any effect on Nigeria the way Lagos did. However, when I mentioned it in reference to Lagos, I meant a long-existing capital as Lagos experienced. |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by bigfrancis21: 4:34am On Mar 13, 2015 |
macof: The Bini King's (custodians of culture and tradition) folk lore story mentions being the progenitor of yoruba people. Thus 'Oba' might be of Bini origin. Their story version seems more plausible to me given the evidence such as edo-like names in Lagos such as 'Idumota'. I would rather more readiliy accept their story than any other. FYI: I don't hate Yorubas. My 2 close friends here in the US are Yorubas. |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by bigfrancis21: 4:40am On Mar 13, 2015 |
StarFlux: @bold...please trace it for the entire audience and end the debate once and for all. |
Re: Oyibo Or Oyinbo..which Of Them Is Correct? by ladionline: 5:58am On Mar 13, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:And you are following the Igbo man who was introducing the European to Yoruba as 'oyinbo' back in those days. |
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