What is stealing?
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Firstly, stealing is an act...and we have two types of act... We have legal act and illegal act...
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A legal act is seen to be an act by means of which a legal norm is issued or belief. According to a legal act in a legal proceeding!
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Also, Using Godel's theorem proves that NO statement can be a conclusive statement. And the statement "stealing is not corruption" is induced to be inconclusive... By this, I mean, if stealing is corruption...then stealing is an illegal act...but if stealing is not corruption, then stealing is deduce to be a legal act....
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What is Corruption?
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Corruption is simply the use of powers by
government officials for illegitimate private gain. Any act by any government official that is seen to be involved with money embezzlement is term "corruption"
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Corruption is also seen to be a dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery... Mostly...this are practices from the government officials...
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You can also say that corruption is the misuse of public power (by elected politician or appointed civil servant) for private gain...
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I wouldn't say Mr President didn't think before he said what he did say on the media..... I'd say, it wasn't intentional....and this shouldn't be a campaign slangs for the opposition party!
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If the opposition party is truly coming out for change...they should embark on their efforts to make these change stand out and speak out for them....
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Using a slip-up statement to campaign isn't just a right way to win the heart of the people!.. No body is perfect! No politician is perfect.... Using propaganda to campaign isn't defining the change I seek from the opposition!
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I pray that God should help Nigeria.

If you think that stealing is corruption... Explain urself....

Stealing is corruption no matter how you try to twist it.

Princecalm:
Stealing is corruption no matter how you try to twist it.

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Nobody is twisting anything.... Its just the fact that u have to know about stealing!

foxxynik:

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Nobody is twisting anything.... Its just the fact that u have to know about stealing!

all i know is that stealing is corruption.

Please ask Jonathan, He can answer you better than anyone else

When you are in a position of authority and and you misappropriated/embezzled money, you have stolen and by virtue of your position you are also corrupt as a result of that act of stealing while occupying that office.


See, it wasn't that difficult to explain now was it?

If only GEJ had kept it that simple he probably won't be in this mess today.

WisdomFlakes:
If only GEJ had kept it that simple he probably won't be in this mess today.

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as a result of that act of stealing while occupying that office.

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Lol.... From ur own definition....u can tell also that Mr president's point wasn't far fetch.... The opposition party used it as a campaign slogan!

Princecalm:
all i know is that stealing is corruption.

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All you know?....
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You're better than this.... Lol

@Eluwilussit.... What's your take in for the topic?

Stealing just like bribery is an element of corruption, a person who steals from the government for private gain is corrupt, he will be charged both under the Criminal code for stealing and under the ICPC Act for corruption, it's madness to separate them especially in the context used by Mr president.

foxxynik:
@Eluwilussit.... What's your take in for the topic?

I have never doubted what Jonathan meant by that statement. It is very obvious that he said it the wrong way but the idea he was trying to pass on is very valid.

Dishonesty is corruption. Lying is corruption. Bribery is corruption. Taking salary while you don't put in the hours is corruption. Pretence is corruption. There are so many things that translate to corruption. Thuggery is corruption. Rigging elections is corruption. Embezzlement is maybe the biggest case of corruption in our own case. Perjury nko?

Of course, stealing is part of it. But just like Jonathan said, call a thief a thief. A man who is a thief, would rather see himself as corrupt than as a thief. Jona is simply asking people to differentiate between stealing and other types of malpractices. It is unimaginable to think for even a moment that Jona truly believes that stealing is not part of corruption.

If we go by the full meanings of corruption and stealing, none and I mean none, of the nigerian politicians or officials is free. They are all as guilty as they accuse the opposition.

Buhari's activities in his first coming, were littered with corrupt practices. Favouritism is definitely part of corruption. Buhari jailed our then VP, while he placed his brother Shagari under house arrest in his mansion. Shagari was the president. Ekwueme, the Vice.

As PTF chairman, Buhari used APC, a company owned by his brother-in-law as a sole consultant. APC generated contracts, awarded and executed same, supervised and paid itself. That's conflict of interests. Conflict of interests is corruption but it is not stealing.

I agree with your summation here. It has even happened in US, when Obama called the action of the police stupid and irresponsible. The media and the public feasted on it. He had to invite the policeman and the prof to the White House for reconciliation and some beer. We all slip up. Again, it is the job of the opposition to feast on our slip ups. Lol. Is it enough to become a campaign slang? In Nigeria where there is nothing happening, the answer is yes. What else does the opposition have?

Eluwilussit:


I have never doubted what Jonathan meant by that statement. It is very obvious that he said it the wrong way but the idea he was trying to pass on is very valid.

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Just like the popular quote from "Oliver Wendell Holmes,jnr says... A valid idea is worth more than a regiment and fewer men can furnish the former than command the latter.
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It is unimaginable to think for even a moment that Jona truly believes that stealing is not part of corruption.

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Same here.... We know that GEJ understand what stealing is all about... But the APC make a misconception out of it...

If we go by the full meanings of corruption and stealing, none and I mean none, of the nigerian politicians or officials is free. They are all as guilty as they accuse the opposition.

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Tinubu will be the number one victim

Buhari's activities in his first coming, were littered with corrupt practices. Favouritism is definitely part of corruption. Buhari jailed our then VP, while he placed his brother Shagari under house arrest in his mansion. Shagari was the president. Ekwueme, the Vice.

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His story is well known...just wondering the guts..Buhari is using to contest for election with a turn off records....
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In Nigeria where there is nothing happening, the answer is yes. What else does the opposition have?

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Hehehehe....lol

firstEVA:
Stealing just like bribery is an element of corruption, a person who steals from the government for private gain is corrupt, he will be charged both under the Criminal code for stealing and under the ICPC Act for corruption, it's madness to separate them especially in the context used by Mr president.

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But u'll agree with me that GEJ had a different perception about stealing not seen to be corruption!

Illustration: Corruption in Government

[img]http://www.canadaflowers.ca/images/fruit-gourmet/baskets/fruits-of-the-world.jpg[/img]

1. Consider the Basket of Fruits = Corruption
2. Stealing by those in leadership position, to be just One of the fruit in the basket.
3. Other "fruits" that are part of the Basket of Corruption include - dishonesty, unscrupulousness, double-dealing, fraud, misconduct, criminality, bribery, venality, extortion, profiteering, crookedness, sleaze, etc.

I hope it make sense now?

foxxynik:

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But u'll agree with me that GEJ had a different perception about stealing not seen to be corruption!

he is the president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, he shouldn't have a pedestrian perception of that nature, he should seek advice before making such pronouncements.

egift:
Illustration: Corruption in Government

[img]http://www.canadaflowers.ca/images/fruit-gourmet/baskets/fruits-of-the-world.jpg[/img]

1. Consider the Basket of Fruits = Corruption
2. Stealing by those in leadership position, to be just One of the fruit in the basket.
3. Other "fruits" that are part of the Basket of Corruption include - dishonesty, unscrupulousness, double-dealing, fraud, misconduct, criminality, bribery, venality, extortion, profiteering, crookedness, sleaze, etc.

I hope it make sense now?

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It does make a lot of sense....
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Logically, you know behind ur head that GEJ had a different view and idea about what he stated...and what people discerned is not what he had in mind....

firstEVA:
he is the president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, he shouldn't have a pedestrian perception of that nature, he should seek advice before making such pronouncements.

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Lol..... Advice? Even in an interview room?...
GEJ is better than that.... You and I know very well that... There are times for slip-ups!
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He's the president of Nigeria...yes! And yet..he's human!

foxxynik:
It does make a lot of sense....
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Logically, you know behind ur head that GEJ had a different view and idea about what he stated...and what people discerned is not what he had in mind....

The first time Jonathan said it, he said that most things Nigerians regard as Corruption is not. Like Ordinary Stealing. He also that day said Nigerians are abusing and misusing the word Corruption. For One full year, Jonathan never offered and additional explanation. In fact his handlers ignored it, even though it was trending.

After a year in another Media Chat, Jonathan now claimed he was quoting someone. He spent over 5min explaining how Stealing is not Corruption. Even gave example that Corruption is when two unmarried men are sleeping together and Stealing if just ordinary.

Jonathan goofed big time. But it only show how much stealing he is presiding over that it is no longer considered Corruption. Things Must Change.

egift:


The first time Jonathan said it, he said that most things Nigerians regard as Corruption is not. Like Ordinary Stealing. He also that day said Nigerians are abusing and misusing the word Corruption. For One full year, Jonathan never offered and additional explanation. In fact his handlers ignored it, even though it was trending.

After a year in another Media Chat, Jonathan now claimed he was quoting someone. He spent over 5min explaining how Stealing is not Corruption. Even gave example that Corruption is when two unmarried men are sleeping together and Stealing if just ordinary.

Jonathan goofed big time. But it only show how much stealing he is presiding over that it is no longer considered Corruption. Things Must Change.

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Perhaps...he was just meandering over something beyond explanation.... And even though he still couldn't nailed it...he has an idea of what he was trying to say...perhaps he wasn't jst able to explain to d masses!

foxxynik:
Perhaps...he was just meandering over something beyond explanation.... And even though he still couldn't nailed it...he has an idea of what he was trying to say...perhaps he wasn't jst able to explain to d masses!

All I read in your comment above are Excuses. There is this saying that "if you have to provide additional explanations for your comments, then you must have been lying, deceptive or incorrect".

Jonathan don't have to provide additional explanation before he should be understand. Unless he has been Wrong in his assertion.

egift:


After a year in another Media Chat, Jonathan now claimed he was quoting someone. He spent over 5min explaining how Stealing is not Corruption. Even gave example that Corruption is when two unmarried men are sleeping together and Stealing if just ordinary.
Jonathan goofed big time. But it only show how much stealing he is presiding over that it is no longer considered Corruption. Things Must Change.

stealing is not buggery

stealing is not jim nwobodo and his ordinary peugeot money

ordinary stealing is not abba morro and the immigrtaion scam

stealing can only be explained by jona and the tanbots.

foxxynik:

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Just like the popular quote from "Oliver Wendell Holmes,jnr says... A valid idea is worth more than a regiment and fewer men can furnish the former than command the latter.
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Same here.... We know that GEJ understand what stealing is all about... But the APC make a misconception out of it...


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Tinubu will be the number one victim


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His story is well known...just wondering the guts..Buhari is using to contest for election with a turn off records....
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Hehehehe....lol

I am ashamed to see a man who overthrew a democratically elected govt, being rewarded with the same democracy he thwarted. That alone, disqualifies him.

I hate Buhari's guts. He refused to appear before Oputa panel. He believed he was above a legally constituted national reconciliatory panel. He snubbed nigerians.

Now he lied under oath and has refused to show his qualifications to nigerians. It is a pity that a man with such low IQ and integrity, is the "best man" among 170m people. Buhari is a saddist and an impostor. He's preaching one thing and doing another.

Like you pointed out, how can you run with the hare and hunt with the hound at the same time? What manner of anti-corruption messiah will be dining with the likes of Tinubu? It can only be a man who doesn't believe in what he's preaching. An impostor. Fake messiah.

Buhari is the least qualified person to ever contest for our presidency. Academically and morally, he is way below the needed standard. If this man is from the South, he would have ended his military career as a WOII. But as a fulani man, he joined the army with a letter from his principal, whereas his counterparts from the South had to meet all the required standards. Shame.

Check out Buhari's rise in the army. It's alleged that he didn't pass most of his officers' exams. Hence, he doesn't go with most of the military appellations like others. But through the quota system, he rose to the enviable rank of a general, while more capable officers from other parts of the country were denied their dues.

His supporters claim that he's misunderstood. Well, I think Buhari is the one who has misunderstood nigerians.

Eluwilussit:


I am ashamed to see a man who overthrew a democratically elected govt, being rewarded with the same democracy he thwarted. That alone, disqualifies him.

I hate Buhari's guts. He refused to appear before Oputa panel. He believed he was above a legally constituted national reconciliatory panel. He snubbed nigerians.

Now he lied under oath and has refused to show his qualifications to nigerians. It is a pity that a man with such low IQ and integrity, is the "best man" among 170m people. Buhari is a saddist and an impostor. He's preaching one thing and doing another.

Like you pointed out, how can you run with the hare and hunt with the hound at the same time? What manner of anti-corruption messiah will be dining with the likes of Tinubu? It can only be a man who doesn't believe in what he's preaching. An impostor. Fake messiah.

Buhari is the least qualified person to ever contest for our presidency. Academically and morally, he is way below the needed standard. If this man is from the South, he would have ended his military career as a WOII. But as a fulani man, he joined the army with a letter from his principal, whereas his counterparts from the South had to meet all the required standards. Shame.

Check out Buhari's rise in the army. It's alleged that he didn't pass most of his officers' exams. Hence, he doesn't go with most of the military appellations like others. But through the quota system, he rose to the enviable rank of a general, while more capable officers from other parts of the country were denied their dues.

His supporters claim that he's misunderstood. Well, I think Buhari is the one who has misunderstood nigerians.

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GBAM!
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You've nailed it.... And its crystal clear! Its left for us...the youths to look into this view and decide who really is capable of becoming the next president... Unbiasedly!

foxxynik:

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GBAM!
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You've nailed it.... And its crystal clear! Its left for us...the youths to look into this view and decide who really is capable of becoming the next president... Unbiasedly!

Unbiasedly!

Stealing is corruption but according the Phd Holder the "wonderful" president of our dear nation Stealing is NOT corruption.

Thread closed

medamillion:
Stealing is corruption but according the Phd Holder the "wonderful" president of our dear nation Stealing is NOT corruption.

Thread closed

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Thread close! Indeed!

foxxynik:

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Thread close! Indeed!

Abi, there is nothing more to talk about na. He no easy to get Phd ooo, why person go dey argue with Phd presido.

Though I really don't know how zoology affect politics.

medamillion:

Abi, there is nothing more to talk about na. He no easy to get Phd ooo, why person go dey argue with Phd presido.

Though I really don't know how zoology affect politics.

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If u really don't know... Then... You just don't know... Ofcoz u'd need a transformation to know that u don't need to study pol science to become a politician!....
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By the way! Thread opens!.... #TwoFingersInTheAir!

foxxynik:

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If u really don't know... Then... You just don't know... Ofcoz u'd need a transformation to know that u don't need to study pol science to become a politician!....
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By the way! Thread opens!.... #TwoFingersInTheAir!

Sorry bros no vex ehn
Zoology according to wikipedia is defined thus:
Zoology (/zoʊˈɒlədʒi/, zoh-OL-luh-jee) or animal biology, is the branch of biology that relates to the animal kingdom, including the structure, embryology, evolution, classification, habits, and distribution of all animals, both living and extinct, and how they interact with their ecosystems.

In summary, it has to do with how to administer animal life.

Definitely, Nigerians were right to vote GEJ in the first place most Nigerians are animals by nature, that is why we need a zoologist to come teach us a lesson.

Yes! It only takes an animal to shout GEJ Till 2019 after the following has happened:
#OduaGate
#Death of innocent youth at a stadium
#Over 200 girls kidnapped
#Subsidy scam

Thank God for giving those animals oga Jona
Thank God also for making the humans decide to vote CHANGE

Me, na only school cert I get, why I go dey argue with professor

medamillion:


Yes! It only takes an animal to shout GEJ Till 2019

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And to those who shout Sai Buhari? Aren't they also Animals? Won't these set of animals keep making mistakes? What change are we looking for?
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Buhari isn't a changed man.... His cohorts are criminals and national looters!

foxxynik:

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Lol..... Advice? Even in an interview room?...
GEJ is better than that.... You and I know very well that... There are times for slip-ups!
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He's the president of Nigeria...yes! And yet..he's human!

accidental slip my asss, what about this "how much did Jim Nwobodo stole? Money not up to the money for Peugeot, he was sent to jail" that was a slip too? He's just imbecillic