stillchris:


you are a complete numbskull. i don't need to finish reading this balderdash you wrote before concluding that your logic is as flawed as your brain capacity to reason properly.

that being said, a country can buy weapons from a company and contract another private firm to bring in mercs who have experience with such weapons to train it's forces how to use them on the field. especially in the case of Nigera. therw just wasn't time for training on these new weapons. which military doesn't require training for new weapons?

seriously, it's not rocket science

Why bother replying if you didnt read it all? Why waste your time?

Why are you arguing? This is exactly what we've been saying the whole time. Highly trained South African merceneries are in Nigeria, on the front line, fighting Boko Haram. So why you arguing?

You can use the excuse that Nigeria isnt "yet trained" on using mine resistant vehicles if you want. What is so technically advanced about a mine resistant vehicle? Your guys dont know how to drive them? Or they dont know how to use the heavy calibar machine guns, which are readily available on other Nigerian equipment?

Are they acquiring Soviet highly technical surface to air missiles or a basic armoured vehicle? Easy to drive. Weapons easy to use for any soldier with prior military experience. You arent purchasing super stealth, teleporting, transforming, levitating vehicles.

Keep selling that story. The more you talk, the sadder it gets. Mercenaries are there to boost your forces, with highly skilled men. Has nothing to do with new equipment being bought. Simple.

Example......If Nigerian troops were in a fire fight with troops from country X today. Nigerian troops have their vehicles destroyed, but manage to capture two enemy Reva armoured vehicles. You're saying a detachment of Nigerian soldiers wouldnt be able to commandeer those vehicles and fight their way out? They would have to first send and email to Reva headquarters in SA, to ask them to send in trainers to show them how to start, drive and use Reva weapons.

Keep selling that sad story.

saengine:
Example......If Nigerian troops were in a fire fight with troops from country X today. Nigerian troops have their vehicles destroyed, but manage to capture two enemy Reva armoured vehicles. You're saying a detachment of Nigerian soldiers wouldnt be able to commandeer those vehicles and fight their way out? They would have to first send and email to Reva headquarters in SA, to ask them to send in trainers to show them how to start, drive and use Reva weapons.

Keep selling that sad story.

That's because Nigeria did not only buy Reva MRAPs.

patches689:


Geneva convention is irrelevant

You behave like savages - just like the terrorists

We are terrorising the terrorists.


SADF forces did similar in Angola.

Patchesagain:


As Heitman said, its all dependent on our foreign policy

KC-130 for a domestically based defence policy
A400M for a continental based policy

never has a single acquisition provided such insight to governmental long term defence planning

Personally, I would say the C-130J is a better option than the A400M as it has a bigger base-payload (despite a smaller vehicular based payload) and more options interms of a tanker and and maritime patrol as well as AWACS - not to mention we have the only certified C-130 maintenance and re-fit plant on the continent

A400M is just a tactical lift pretending to be a strategic lift

FYI, heitmans suggestion of the Alenia C-27J Spartan and CASA C-295M operating as a light-lift combo gave me the biggest military hard-on I have had in a while

As you said it all depends on the role the SANDF wants to play, if we want to play a bigger regional role in Africa, then we have to go for the A400M or the AN-70 which have (limited) Strategic capabilities,but with all the sh*t in Ukraine it basically leaves us with only the A400M as an option, as for a pure replacement for the C-130BZs its seems the C-130J would be the best choice, i mean the best replacement for a herc is a another herc or so they say, only problem is the cost, the KC-390 has similar capabilities(better in some aspects) and its quite a bit cheaper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbtQ5I0DRp4&sns=em

jln115:

As you said it all depends on the role the SANDF wants to play, if we want to play a bigger regional role in Africa, then we have to go for the A400M or the AN-70 which have (limited) Strategic capabilities,but with all the sh*t in Ukraine it basically leaves us with only the A400M as an option, as for a pure replacement for the C-130BZs its seems the C-130J would be the best choice, i mean the best replacement for a herc is a another herc or so they say, only problem is the cost, the KC-390 has similar capabilities(better in some aspects) and its quite a bit cheaper.

You have no money, you are buying nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohERfl-DUgc&feature=player_embedded

Henry120:


You have no money, you are buying nothing.

Do you forget that we recently got the budget?

Henry120:


You have no money, you are buying nothing.

2015 National Expenditure proves otherwise!

stillchris:


and of you understood what you read, you would have seen this;

"To be honest, I don't think they are being used
anymore in combat... simply because those guys are
pushing 60 or 70."

what else would a 59 uear old be doing than mechanic work in combat?

Shut up dummy, Many SANDF soldiers especially whites who are still young have resigned to join all these illicit companies.

MikeCZAR:


Today your navy stands not even 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000,1% chance against SAN.

Nigerian navy has 3 anti-submarine warfare helicopters against your 3 soweto submarines.

Nigerian navy has 40 Otomat anti-ship missile with 180 km range against your 4 soweto frigates tjat has 70 km range excocet missiles.

Nigerian navy has BVR anti-aircraft missiles with 75 km range against your soweto navy that has only WVR missiles with 15 km range.

It's clear who will die first....South African navy
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agaugust:


Nigerian navy has 3 anti-submarine warfare helicopters against your 3 soweto submarines.

Nigerian navy has 40 Otomat anti-ship missile with 180 km range against your 4 soweto frigates tjat has 70 km range excocet missiles.

Nigerian navy has BVR anti-aircraft missiles with 75 km range against your soweto navy that has only WVR missiles with 15 km range.

It's clear who will die first....South African navy
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You said:"One single South African navy submarine today will sink the entire Nigerian navy fleet of major ships in 24 hours, and the submarine will sail back home to Cape Town in peace."
So now your contradicting yourself!

Msauza:



Shut up dummy, Many SANDF soldiers especially whites who are still young have resigned to join all these illicit companies.

leaving the sandf manned by barely- literate Zulus who don't know how to point a rifle.

Henry120:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbtQ5I0DRp4&sns=em

This f00l posts a video of Reva Mk III armoumed vehicles. When we post pics of those same vehicles with mercenaries in them, they say "we dont even have those vehicles". Suicide video

patches689:

Augustus

I have been asking you for 3 days

Show us a NATO vessel fitted with anti-torpedo countermeasures

until you do you dont have an argument

My pleasure.....there are many of them in NATO navies and also other countries of the world, anti-torpedo equipment is plentiful all over the world and for a long time since many years ago.

Submarines have lost their 'legendary superiority' .....it really was never there anyway.

HMS Duncan warship :

Electronic warfare
and decoys:
UAT16
Surface ship torpedo defence (SSTD)


Aircraft carried:
1-2× Lynx HMA8, armed with;
2× anti submarine torpedoes


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Duncan_(D37)


Your white NATO masters were fooling you South Africans in that sea war game, allowing you to 'sink' NATO warships, they NEVER showed you their real warships, the day your navy meets a real NATO warship in battle, is the day you will understand why the white man successfully colonized South Africa up till 1994. Soweto Mumus
.

saengine:


This f00l posts a video of Reva Mk IIII armoumed vehicles. When we post pics of those same vehicles with mercenaries in them, they say "we dont even have those vehicles". Suicide video

Retarrd!!!

It's a video confirmation that we actually do have Reva MK III's, as well as MK v's. we've never denied using private security contractors, Fool!

Henry120:


Retarrd!!!

It's a video confirmation that we actually do have Reva MK III's, as well as MK v's. we've never denied using private security contractors, Fool!

Mr Retard, your video shows REVA III.

agaugust:


My pleasure.....there are many of them in NATO navies and also other countries of the world, anti-torpedo equipment is plentiful all over the world and for a long time since many years ago.

Submarines have lost their 'legendary superiority' .....it really was never there anyway.

HMS Duncan warship :

Electronic warfare
and decoys:
UAT16
Surface ship torpedo defence (SSTD)


Aircraft carried:
1-2× Lynx HMA8, armed with;
2× anti submarine torpedoes


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Duncan_(D37)


Your white NATO masters were fooling you South Africans in that sea war game, allowing you to 'sink' NATO warships, they NEVER showed you their real warships, the day your navy meets a real NATO warship in battle, is the day you will understand why the white man successfully colonized South Africa up till 1994. Soweto Mumus
.

Agaugau, SA is a champ when it comes to military technology. We are respected by the world when it comes to that area. The only small country in the world that could sustain 30 years of war without procuring a single weapons to fight three countries which were constantly provided with Russian weapons. We build weapons locally and still effectively engaged the enemy.

It is by no surprised that we mysteriously sank the NATO ship, through the tactical shrewdness of the skilled SA naval officers. Today we procure weapons and dismantle them with the view of adding some modifications. SA procured missiles have different specifications from that of the original versions sold by manufactures. We merely give our procured munitions some extra energy and range to have better performance.

saengine:
Example......If Nigerian troops were in a fire fight with troops from country X today. Nigerian troops have their vehicles destroyed, but manage to capture two enemy Reva armoured vehicles. You're saying a detachment of Nigerian soldiers wouldnt be able to commandeer those vehicles and fight their way out? They would have to first send and email to Reva headquarters in SA, to ask them to send in trainers to show them how to start, drive and use Reva weapons.

Keep selling that sad story.

keep trying to convince yourself. if your mechanics were fighting, the government and military would not deny it.

Senior military commanders described the claims
which were reported in select international
media and culled by some local newspapers as “a
joke taken too far”. The officers however said that the so called
mercenaries are foreign technical advisers that
are providing trainings and instructions on the
use of new armaments recently procured by the
Nigerian military in the war on terror.

leadership.ng/news/417344/dhq-foreign-mercenaries-claims-are-propaganda-troops-discover-bomb-factory-in-yobe

Msauza:



Agaugau, SA is a champ when it comes to military technology. We are respected by the world when it comes to that area. The only small country in the world that could sustain 30 years of war without procuring a single weapons to fight three countries which were constantly provided with Russian weapons. We build weapons locally and still effectively engaged the enemy.

Arms embargo on South Africa was NOT 30 years long you fraud !

During the UN embargo, Israel was smuggling weapons to South Africa including missile and nuclear technology. France sold it's latest version of Mirage F-1 jet fighters to South Africa just before the arms embargo.

South Africa was also buying weapon and ammunition from international black market and arms smugglers.

Finally you could not win the war, and the war was NOT a threat to South Africa, it was fought thousands of kilometers away from Cape Town, in a far country called Angola, and you have no common border with the enemy
.

Technicians in military fatigue. Why are technicians wearing military uniforms? Are they secretly in war or what?

agaugust:


Arms embargo on South Africa was NOT 30 years long you fraud !

During the UN embargo, Israel was smuggling weapons to South Africa including missile and nuclear technology. France sold it's latest version of Mirage F-1 jet fighters to South Africa just before the arms embargo.

South Africa was also buying weapon and ammunition from international black market and arms smugglers.

Finally you could not win the war, and the war was NOT a threat to South Africa, it was fought thousands of kilometers away from Cape Town, in a far country called Angola, and you have no common border with the enemy
.

SA never procured arms throughout its war in Angola which took over 25 years. Israel had never loaded ship with weapons and sailed it to SA, but Russia did on constant bases supplying arms to Angola.


That was a record that no country in Africa can achieve.

Msauza:
Technicians in military fatigue. Why are technicians wearing military uniforms? Are they secretly in war or what?

you expect them to wear what? in a war zone..more so, is it 100 of them that'd retake towns in a state the size of scotland?

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[size=16pt]Terrorizing The Terrorists...
Nigerian Army....Sons Of The Black Napoleon !
Videos from the war zone :
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbtQ5I0DRp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohERfl-DUgc

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iterator24:
you expect them to wear what? in a war zone..more so, is it 100 of them that'd retake towns in a state the size of scotland?

That is a complete contradiction. Foreign technicians on a war zone carrying guns and wearing military fatigue. Do you get the smell of a fish?

Msauza:



That is a complete contradiction. Foreign technicians on a war zone carrying guns and wearing military fatigue. Do you get the smell of a fish?

Who told you that every white man in this world is a South African?

Russian, Romanian, Belorussian, Ukrainian and Israeli technical advisers for Nigeria's new weapons. They will travel form hotel room to shooting range location, so you want them to drive that trip everyday riding on donkeys and camels?

Mumu
.

Msauza:
Technicians in military fatigue. Why are technicians wearing military uniforms? Are they secretly in war or what?

Killed them. Technicians in fatigues and rifles....aha

agaugust:

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[size=16pt]Terrorizing The Terrorists...
Nigerian Army....Sons Of The Black Napoleon !
Videos from the war zone :
[/size]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbtQ5I0DRp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohERfl-DUgc

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U said Mk III belong to Equitorial Guinea. Explain yourself

iterator24:
you expect them to wear what? in a war zone..more so, is it 100 of them that'd retake towns in a state the size of scotland?

LOL....

A whole 300 SANDF elit paratroopers plus special forces could not survive 24 hours defending one singe base/compound in Bangui before Seleka turned them into Olympic champions of speed
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saengine:


U said Mk III belong to Equitorial Guinea. Explain yourself

Here...

http://worlddefencenews..ca/2014/03/south-african-company-icp-has-sold-12.html

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saengine:


Killed them. Technicians in fatigues and rifles....aha

Even ordinary journalists wear combat fatigues in war zone. Rifles for technicians is to defend themselves in case of enemy attack, MRAP is to protect them from land mines and IEDs along the roads
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