MikeCZAR:
The KC-390 is rubbis..h buying it would be a political goal.

If SAAF had a bigger budget I'd support getting the C-17 but it has jet engines.

Maybe the Ambrear as our tanker?

It could make a great tanker/EW/CnC platform

they are allready pushing hard for us to get it (see pic)

Patchesagain:


Maybe the Ambrear as our tanker?

It could make a great tanker/EW/CnC platform

they are allready pushing hard for us to get it (see pic)

The KC-390 comes in quite a few variants, but personally ill get it as a transport only for an EW platform ill go for the airbus C295 and for a tanker ill go for the a330 mrtt it has a much better range and if we decide to buy the A400m and C295 we could get a better deal for all 3 aircraft.

Patchesagain:


Nope - exibiting skills and capabilities you could only dream of

1. We deployed C130's, DAK's, CASA's and Oryx to the DRC to help with elections - again with short notice

2. We mobilized and deployed under 12 000 SANDF personel to Qunu in under a week for Madiba's funeral

3. We deployed a battalion of men, Gripen, Rooivalk, Oryx and C130's to DRC in under a week after the CAR

SANDF are generations ahead of Nigeria in terms of logistical organization and pulling off effective operations

We have capabilities you can only dream of

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Hollywood expert SANDF :

Combat history chart, worst military achievement list, Internet-Web Based-Online Military of South Africa...

1. The number 1 mission was political election job....INEC and police duty

2. The number 2 mission was a funeral ceremony....MIC casket undertakers duty

3. The number 3 mission was after battle as ended, nothing to do.....Latecomers/Cowards duty

Nigerian air force flew over 6,000 combat sorties in few months, even firing guided missiles !

South Africa's military ranking is looking close to that of Botswana, honestly !

Global Firepower needs to see the above list !

SANDF has a virtual internet based military, this force is not real o !
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agaugust:


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Hollywood expert SANDF : war history chart....Worst military achievement list for the Internet-Web Based-Online Military of South Africa....

1. The number 1 mission was political election job....INEC and police duty

2. The number 2 mission was a funeral ceremony....MIC casket undertakers duty

3. The number 3 mission was after battle as ended, nothing to do.....Latecomers/Cowards duty

South Africa's military ranking is looking close to that of Botswana, honestly ! Global Firepower needs to see the above list !
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we are talking logistics here jackass

The point is simple, we can move men in ways you could only dream of

Patchesagain:


we are talking logistics here jackass

The point is simple, we can move men in ways you could only dream of

SANDF = Virtual-Online Internet Web Based Military
.

agaugust:


SANDF = Virtual-Online Internet Web Based Military
.

Your lack of a viable response shows that you know what I have said to be true

iterator24:
oh my, you're hurt, if you don't like bbc then

Congo army takes M23 rebel stronghold

http://news.yahoo.com/congo-army-takes-m23-rebel-stronghold-143440763.html


Again, SA no where to be found

The fall of Bunagana? The last M23 stronghold their military base.

The Fall.

When their president's convoy fled into Uganda?

When they cut down trees in the hopes of halting the FARDC and the FIB's advance?

When they attempted to down the bridge leading the "town"?

When they cried on twitter that they were battling SA and Tz forces not FARDC.

By this time their force was split, this wasn't a huge battle FIB supported them with logistics.

jln115:

Why do you say its rubbish? Compared to the C-130J, the KC-390 is 15% faster, carry an 18% heavier payload, and cost 59% as much to purchase. And although having a 15% shorter range than the C-130J, the KC-390 has an aerial refueling capability as a standard feature (only a few specialized sub-variants of the C-130 have an aerial refueling capability),Ruggedized landing gear allows the KC-390 to take-off from or land on any hard and flat surface, including dirt airstrips typical of front line bases and has basically the same take off and landing distance as the c-130j.

As for the C-17, whats wrong with it having jet engines? If SAAF ever buys it, its solely going to be used for strategic airlift roles.

The KC-390 might be beautiful but it is small and rubbish.

Jet engines require more logistics and have higher maintenance costs compared to turboprop engines.

Again look at the places our forces deploy to CAR, DRC etc these places don't have massive airports.

Patchesagain:


The SSTD detects torpedoes - that is all

While the SSTD is only really effective against ancient Soviet ERA torpedoes

Development of the SSTD helps cover a serious threat to major U.S. ships from Soviet-designed torpedoes initially developed in the 1960s, naval analyst Norman Friedman told USNI News.


And now the killer blow: The system that destroys the torpedoe is not in service:

NAVSEA has more testing for the SSTD system scheduled for this year and plans to have the CAT and TWS reach so-called initial operational capability by 2019 and Fleet wide adoption of the system by 2035.
http://news.usni.org/2013/06/20/navy-develops-torpedo-killing-torpedo

So, the facts remain unchanged: A South African Heroin Class submarine defeated an entire NATO task force

And again, I ask you show us a NATO warship armed with anti-torpedo countermeasures

I showed you, HMS Daring and HMS Duncan among others have been operating SSTD since OVER 6 YEARS AGO !

The USA naval fleet is testing a new SSTD to add the ones they already have, that's the 2035 date, but for OVER 10 YEARS AGO, NATO ships have deployed SSTD anti-torpedo weapons, I only posted the US Navy new tests to prove you wrong when you claimed the SSTD only detects enemy submarine torpedoes, you told a big lie and I proved you wrong, SSTD detects and destroys submarine launched torpedoes.

NATO fleet fooled the whole South African navy when they deceived your car washerman level Soweto brains that SAN have sunk a NATO warship in war game.....fools

Electronic warfare
and decoys:
UAT16
Surface ship torpedo defence (SSTD)
Airbone Sys IDS300 decoy


Aircraft carried: 1-2× Lynx HMA8, armed with;
4× Sea Skua anti ship missiles, or
2× anti submarine torpedoes
or
1× Westland Merlin HM1,[11] armed with;
4× anti submarine torpedoes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Daring_%28D32%29

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Electronic warfare
and decoys:
UAF-1 ESM, or, UAT Mod 1
Seagnat

Type 182 towed torpedo decoy
Surface Ship Torpedo Defence


Aircraft carried: 1 × Lynx HMA8, armed with;
4 × Sea Skua anti ship missiles, or
2 × anti submarine torpedoes
or
1 × Westland Merlin HM1, armed with;
4 × anti submarine torpedoes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_23_frigate

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I have listed two of the many British warships above, now see one of Norway's five all warships armed with anti-torpedo weapon systems to defeat any submarine....


Electronic warfare
and decoys:

Condor CS-3701 ECM:/ESM: suite Terma DL-12T decoy launcher, Loki torpedo countermeasure

4 × torpedo tubes for Sting Ray torpedoes 1 × spare 8- cell Mk41 VLS launchers Anti-Submarine missiles


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fridtjof_Nansen-class_frigate

The above Norwegian navy warship was available since 2004 before the Dutch came to deceive your dullard Soweto navy admirals in 2007, your white Dutch Boer European masters from Holland have always fooled you and they will continue to fool and rule you South Africans till infinity

.

Patchesagain:


Maybe the Ambrear as our tanker?

It could make a great tanker/EW/CnC platform

they are allready pushing hard for us to get it (see pic)

But with a dedicated air tanker in the class of MRTT the Gripens can reach almost everywhere on the continent fully armed.

In my opinion an EW/CnC aircraft must have long endurance and range. Able to follow the Gripens everywhere on the continent without refueling.

Again during emergencies "air lifters"(KC-390, C-130, A400M etc) will be lifting troops, vehicles, ammunition including our aircraft bombs, missiles & rockets and helicopters.

But I think it would be good politically for SA to buy it.

agaugust:


I showed you, HMS Daring and HMS Duncan among others have been operating SSTD since OVER 6 YEARS AGO !

The USA naval fleet is testing a new SSTD to add the ones they already have, that's the 2035 date, but for OVER 10 YEARS AGO, NATO ships have deployed SSTD anti-torpedo weapons, I only posted the US Navy new tests to prove you wrong when you claimed the SSTD only detects enemy submarine torpedoes, you told a big lie and I proved you wrong, SSTD detects and destroys submarine launched torpedoes.

NATO fleet fooled the whole South African navy when they deceived your car washerman level Soweto brains that SAN have sunk a NATO warship in war game.....fools

Electronic warfare
and decoys:
UAT16
Surface ship torpedo defence (SSTD)
Airbone Sys IDS300 decoy


Aircraft carried: 1-2× Lynx HMA8, armed with;
4× Sea Skua anti ship missiles, or
2× anti submarine torpedoes
or
1× Westland Merlin HM1,[11] armed with;
4× anti submarine torpedoes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Daring_%28D32%29

========================================================



Electronic warfare
and decoys:
UAF-1 ESM, or, UAT Mod 1
Seagnat

Type 182 towed torpedo decoy
Surface Ship Torpedo Defence


Aircraft carried: 1 × Lynx HMA8, armed with;
4 × Sea Skua anti ship missiles, or
2 × anti submarine torpedoes
or
1 × Westland Merlin HM1, armed with;
4 × anti submarine torpedoes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_23_frigate

==========================================


I have listed two of the many British warships above, now see one of Norway's five all warships armed with anti-torpedo weapon systems to defeat any submarine....


Electronic warfare
and decoys:

Condor CS-3701 ECM:/ESM: suite Terma DL-12T decoy launcher, Loki torpedo countermeasure

4 × torpedo tubes for Sting Ray torpedoes 1 × spare 8- cell Mk41 VLS launchers Anti-Submarine missiles


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fridtjof_Nansen-class_frigate

The above Norwegian navy warship was available since 2004 before the Dutch came to deceive your dullard Soweto navy admirals in 2007, your white Dutch Boer European masters from Holland have always fooled you and they will continue to fool and rule you South Africans till infinity

.

One torpedo BOOOM!!!!

jln115:


Your source:

"The Congolese army retook one of the last remaining strongholds of the M23 rebels."

So who retook the rest?

United Nations force, the FIB that included Tanzania, Malawi, and the artillery forces of Tanzania, the special forces of Tanzania, and air combat support by Ukranian air force Mi-35 Gunships, all under the command of a Tanzanian army brigadier general. That war has too much multinational African and European content for South Africa to take any glory beyond 20%. The Tanzanian army D-30 artillery units wrecked M23 positions before SANDF could team up with other ground troops and move in.

That Congo DRC M23 war has too much mixed UN multinational armies and air forces input, it's hard for any country to claim more glory than others
.
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Henry120:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJZ74cjX38A&feature=youtu.be


Mikeczar watch!

What part of that video do you think was gonna impress or send chills down my spine?

This is sad, are your soldiers educated in handling ammunition?

Where were these stored? Buried? Why aren't they in pallets?

I don't know where to start cause this is basic pre-positioning of forces prior to launching, your military failing badly here.

I don't why you Nigerian are so blinded by patriotism, that you protect such rebel standards.

Patchesagain:


Maybe the Ambrear as our tanker?

It could make a great tanker/EW/CnC platform

they are allready pushing hard for us to get it (see pic)

SAAF has shortage of aviation fuel for the tiny fuel tanks of Gripen jets, now you want to buy giant size air to air refuelling tanker aircraft.

What fuel will your tanker load when you have no aviation fuel, Cooking oil or Palm oil ?
.

MikeCZAR:
The KC-390 might be beautiful but it is small and rubbish.

Jet engines require more logistics and have higher maintenance costs compared to turboprop engines.

Again look at the places our forces deploy to CAR, DRC etc these places don't have massive airports.

Well its bigger than the c130 and has a better payload but all of this is irrelevant if we want to deploy in the DRC, CAR, ect ect and be able to transport our Ratels,Badger and rooikat then the only option would be the A400M, im sure 10 A400Ms will suffice.

agaugust:


United Nations force, the FIB that included Tanzania, Malawi, and the artillery forces of Tanzania, the special forces of Tanzania, and air combat support by Ukranian air force Mi-35 Gunships, all under the command of a Tanzanian army brigadier general. That war has too much multinational African and European content for South Africa to take any glory beyond 20%. The Tanzanian army D-30 artillery units wrecked M23 positions before SANDF could team up with other ground troops and move in.

That Congo DRC M23 war has too much mixed UN multinational armies and air forces input, it's hard for any country to claim more glory than others
.
.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNOwCBZp6bs

jln115:

Well its bigger than the c130 and has a better payload but all of this is irrelevant if we want to deploy in the DRC, CAR, ect ect and be able to transport our Ratels,Badger and rooikat then the only option would be the A400M, im sure 10 A400Ms will suffice.

If the SANDF purchases anything but the A400M, it will again be a political move like its cancelling.

Ratels are going we should now think about the Badger ICV.

MikeCZAR:


What part of that video do you think was gonna impress or send chills down my spine?

This is sad, are your soldiers educated in handling ammunition?

Where were these stored? Buried? Why aren't they in pallets?

I don't know where to start cause this is basic pre-positioning of forces prior to launching, your military failing badly here.

I don't why you Nigerian are so blinded by patriotism, that you protect such rebel standards.

You think like a potato farmer in a military thread.

My point is, you can clearly see loads and loads of 7.62mm boxes. Enough to turn johannesburg into Kobani.

Are you drunk, You didn't see the pallets been unloaded?

Besides those shells aren't yet active.

MikeCZAR:
If the SANDF purchases anything but the A400M, it will again be a political move like its cancelling.

Ratels are going we should now think about the Badger ICV.

Haha wouldnt say the Ratels are going, i mean how are we going to replace 1500 ratels with 238 badgers?
The Ratel is an awesome piece of military hardware wouldnt replace it entirely, it would be great if we could upgrade 500-600 odd to iklwa standards.

MikeCZAR:
The SADF didn't do that, it was police units like Koevoet who did such.

The South-Africans did.

jln115:

Haha wouldnt say the Ratels are going, i mean how are we going to replace 1500 ratels with 238 badgers?
The Ratel is an awesome piece of military hardware wouldnt replace it entirely, it would be great if we could upgrade 500-600 odd to iklwa standards.

SA is broke as all the Engineers have left!

Patchesagain:


No henry

NATO hires them to do task that their more valuable men in uniform would be wasted on, things like guarding low risk instillations or infrastructure, providing protection to humanitarian operations ect

No one hires private contractors to OPERATE THEIR EQUIPMENT FOR THEM

The only significant part of your comment, I bolded, the rest of your post is outright balderdrash.


PMC aren't Hired in Nigeria to operate Nigerian equipment, excerpt in cases where trainings have to be carried out on the go, like with the Army's recently inducted Gazelle Helicopters.

Patchesagain:


Problem is, money has been set aside and allocated in the relevant financial years

South Africa has allmost 3X the money Nigeria does

You don't, South-Africa's budget is less than half of Nigeria's 7 billion dollars budget.


No money has been set aside, you have no money to purchase common Aviation fuel, what sort of sorcery is the fat minister planing on performing.

saengine:


Lmao! Your one and a quarter sentence reply seems so lonely and dry. No fuss you say? When we claimed that South African and other merceneries are in Nigeria fighting Boko Haram for Nigeria, what was the reply on this forum? No fuss? No...it was, there are no South African merceneries in Nigeria! Why has this topic gone on for so long? Because u said "its true, no fuss" at the beginning? Nooo...it was denied.

So you can take your "no fuss" and shove it. Its too late now.

The parts of your comment I bolded still cannot be proven.

The Nigerian government hired a Nigerian Firm (Pilgrims Security). Mr lutz worked for a Nigerian Private Security company as a mechanic.

This is the fact.

We have never denied hiring Private contractors, we've been using them for more than 50 years.

The british, Americans, chinese, Brazilians, russians et al, all use them.

charlos14:

SA is broke as all the Engineers have left!

Good thing is your opinion doesnt matter bro!

Henry120:


You don't, South-Africa's budget is less than half of Nigeria's 7 billion dollars budget.


No money has been set aside, you have no money to purchase common Aviation fuel, what sort of sorcery is the fat minister planing on performing.

the $7 billion budget you gave includes weapon procurement where ours dont, and your Math is shocking BTW.
And yes its been budgeted for,but hey if you want to keep telling your self it isnt true just to make your self feel better im not stopping you mate! but facts are facts!

oh and BTW the Nigerian Defence budget is $4,9 billion

Henry120:


You think like a potato farmer in a military thread.

My point is, you can clearly see loads and loads of 7.62mm boxes. Enough to turn johannesburg into Kobani.

Are you drunk, You didn't see the pallets been unloaded?

Besides those shells aren't yet active.

So sad.

7.62mm? Even Kenya manufactures rifle rounds.

I don't even understand why a person would defend such rubbi.sh.

jln115:

Haha wouldnt say the Ratels are going, i mean how are we going to replace 1500 ratels with 238 badgers?
The Ratel is an awesome piece of military hardware wouldnt replace it entirely, it would be great if we could upgrade 500-600 odd to iklwa standards.

They'll be a follow on order. The current order will help establish the mechanised division.

It will be difficult to have two different ICVs.

Henry120:


The South-Africans did.

Yes, but not those part of the SADF.

It was done by units like koevoet.

MikeCZAR:
They'll be a follow on order. The current order will help establish the mechanised division.

It will be difficult to have two different ICVs.

Dont think it will be a problem besides there are lots of countries operating more than one type of apc, South Africa alone operates the MAMBA Casspir and Ratel, and it would be much cheaper to just convert our current Ratel than to buy all new APC/IFVs.

MikeCZAR:
So sad.

7.62mm? Even Kenya manufactures rifle rounds.

I don't even understand why a person would defend such rubbi.sh.

You are illiterate!

Who said anything about manufacturing. I'm referring to actual quantities.

Henry120:


You are illiterate!

Who said anything about manufacturing. I'm referring to actual quantities.

the guy doesn't even know whatvhe's saying