Egwusi(Egusi) a Yoruba word? My eyes have seen my ears. At this rate,Okro would become a Yoruba word too.

By the way, Garri is an hausa word.

SirShymexx:
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Lol. Stop spamming my mentions with illiteracy and "likes" from Igbo muppets. You can't even write coherently to begin with - and your knowledge of history is pub level at best.

Go get better educated Bini folks on my level, who actually understand history, timeline etc. to debate me. I don't do illiterate-speak.

"I don't debate those below me - I educate them" - Prof. John Henrik Clarke.

Hey SirShymexx,

You'd tactically avoided almost all points I raised in every reply to your "Superiority" rants. Unfortunately, the best you could do is resorted to INSULTS and ABUSIVE language. Again I repeat - you're not disappointing at all. Applying gutter languages even in an open market (public square) against a fellow with an opposing views is ingrained in Yoruba culture and social life.

In each post, you reply in same dirty languages, while meandering your ways off the points I raised. Now I wonder how or why you said "Igbo muppets" ? Am an Edo man to the core, of Esan stock and proudly so.

Oh - I forgot vast majority Yorubas are parentally and socially brought up to have blood hatred for Igbos. So when you're engaged in any tribally-based arguments, the Igbo hatred within your subconscious is triggered.

Sorry Bro - I be 100% Edo man.

macof:


Oh jst to add some more ancient names of Yoruba ancestors before Oranmiyan went to help the Edos establish obaship

Obalesun, Obalara, Obalale, Obawinrin, Obaluru, Obalase, Obaloran, Obatala, Obaluaye...that's enough

Oba as the same root word as Iba "ba" - to pay homage, give honour
Same u find in Baba

Funny how Edo had to wait for Oranmiyan before they started using Oba...imagining Oba is native to Edo

Hey macof,

You've not said anything new at all. And just like your fellow Yoruba man, SirShymexx, you tactically avoided most of my points in earlier posts and reveling in same old Yoruba 'historical inventions' to promote your egos and SUPERIORITY.

Over the last few decades I watched as you Yorubas tactically created humongous folklores and tales. While these are good things, however you erred by implying denigration of Benin culture.

You wrote: "Funny how Edo had to wait for Oranmiyan before they started using Oba"

Now who told you this folklore and mythology of Oduduwa and Oranmiyan is TRUE? Of course your elders. Your Oranmiyan establishing kingship in Benin is 100% mythology and folktales. PURE LIES from The Pit of Hell!

In the same vein, we the Edos also have our own version - that the first king of Oyo was a Benin Prince. So you are correct in your history - am also absolutely correct in my history.

But remember, macof; these 'histories and stories' are mythologies. Unfortunately only you the Yorubas been making mouthful of them in Nigeria!

You Wrote: "...that's enough"

So your own historical concoctions are not funny? Or because you'd been tribally hoodwinked to believe them as 'stories from God Almighty' that cannot be (and must not be) challenged? Is it not funny that all you have as 'facts' are Yoruba folktales, folklore and mythologies? And you fervently bring these up to challenge another tribe; claiming yours is truth and others wrong?

All those words/names/titles (Obalesun, Obalara, Obalale, Obawinrin, Obaluru, Obalase, Obaloran, Obatala, Obaluaye) you are bringing up here are ALL modern creation to vanish the Benin origin of the title OBA.

Finally let me tell you an open truth: Until you Yorubas develop an open mind about ancient histories (especially the folklore, folktales and mythologies) that have no proof, and STOP your 'Yoruba SUPERIORITY' - am-more-correct-than-you-attitude - Nigeria will NEVER develop a true history we can collectively be proud of.

gatiano:
Is Yoruba a tribe?
Is Igbo a tribe
Is Edo a tribe
Ibibio, etc within Nigeria, Are they all seperate tribes?

Pardon me if i asked wrong.

Hey gatiano,

The word 'tribe' is a compound word that means different related and unrelated meanings. However in the context we're using here, it simply refer to a people that share same ideology, language and cultural semblance.

Yoruba, Igbo, Calabar, Efik, Ebira, Bini, Togo, down to Ghana and few others belong to one single Tribe. I can even say that we are so mixed up that we are lost. We speak a particular language because somewhere along the line, our ancestors migrated there.
What i don't understand is what is the difference between oyinbo and oyibo? they are both the same thing.

The whiteman in yoruba hidden trickingly and carefully to us is "ika" meaning devil.
what does that mean in Igbo language?

There are only two tribes left intact, and those are the tribes that weren't captured during the slavery times, The ethiopian/sudan and the mali/bulinafaso(Dogon). The others were greatly displaced during the migration from the north.

NigerMan1:


Hey gatiano,

The word 'tribe' is a compound word that means different related and unrelated meanings. However in the context we're using here, it simply refer to a people that share same ideology, language and cultural semblance.

SirShymexx:


Lol. Itsekiri history is out there - written by Itsekiri historians.

Heck, they are mostly of Ijebu stock - and they still have Ijebu clans loool. I would have posted the links to you but I'm busy today.

Ode Jekri - Ode Remo - Ode Ijebu or Ijebu Ode...if you can't see the link in that, then I can't help you lol.

Bini empire was landlocked and no proper Bini historian will ever make that claim. Ijebus traded with Europeans way before anyone. I don't even think there was a Bini empire when Ijebus started trading with Europeans - the empire was built later lol. Learn ya history!

Don't be too busy
Post the link written by this phantom itsekiri author so we can dissect and digest.
Being linked to yoruba's only elicits two emotions
revulsion and disgust

And when you say the Benin empire was landlocked, I hope you're aren't extrapolating the current geo-political confines of the Benin kingdom to the ancient Benin empire 'Cos that will make you seem both daft and ignorant and if you are the history buff you claim to be, you'll know that at its height, the Benin empire shared borders with Dahomey in the west with a claim for the founding of Lagos or Eko(war camp in Bini) being made and also early portugese explorers searching for and finding in Benin City the capital of the empire with whom they traded with and interacted at the coast and even receiving embassage in lisbon from the and I quote "mighty benin mornach" in the person of one of his sons and the much we know of the Bini empire today from that era comes not from theories or thesis, oral traditions and superstitions, assumptions and myths but from actual recorded accounts of these early explorers and that is why it was called an "empire" back then, not kingdom as it is known today!!!

So what empire were you saying was landlocked again

ezeagu:


"In the Igbo language, the word for "white man" is "beke" – a corruption of the surname Baikie - and the word for "Britain" is "ala Beke," or "Baikie's country."

William Balfour Baikie [Wikipedia]

Actually, the word for a White man in most Igbo communities is Onye Ocha, some use Onye Bekee.
However, Oyibo actually refers to a fair skinned person in general be it a White man or a Black man.

whitecat1:
Yoruba has history so rich that nothing can be added to it.

Post a link where the Itsekiris who speak ijebu and bear Yoruba names say they are not Yoruba. As for Edo, there are many tribes there including Yoruba, if names, orisa and oba are to go by. Names like Modupe, Toyin, Taiye/Kehinde are Yoruba names with no meaning or origin in general Edo population except those who probably came with the oba, remember we don't speak the same language.

Names are pointers to one's origin!

Suit yourself with as many theories as you like, it won't still create any affectations in those you noisily and vehemently claim kinship with except those of convenience.
As for the richness of the yoruba culture, because you're so myopic and self centred you study and are besotted with yourself alone you begin to think the whole world revolves around you, who are you to say the ibo, nupe, efik, kanuri cultures are not as rich if not richer than the yoruba culture? When it comes to african art, after ancient egyptian art, which is the second most valuable african culture in terms of monetary value attached to its art? Clue for you is, its Nigerian but not yoruba!! You busy yourselves trying to claim origin of one concept or thought after another you fail to realise that though different and distinct, ancient cultures interacted and shared concepts, thoughts, gods and even sometimes names with one another but that made them by no means products of one another, it only made them culturally related and this isn't unique to africa or asia alone or maybe you'll like to convonce me that the romans descended from the greeks and the greeks descended from the babylonians abi Because that would be why certain concepts, deities and practices were passed from culture to culture over a millenia give or take a few tweaking aNd name changes here and there.
So as for your names pointing to origin not interactions, tell that fib to the gods
CHIKENA!!!

gatiano:
Yoruba, Igbo, Calabar, Efik, Ebira, Bini, Togo, down to Ghana and few others belong to one single Tribe. I can even say that we are so mixed up that we are lost. We speak a particular language because somewhere along the line, our ancestors migrated there.
What i don't understand is what is the difference between oyinbo and oyibo? they are both the same thing.

The whiteman in yoruba hidden trickingly and carefully to us is "ika" meaning devil.
what does that mean in Igbo language?

There are only two tribes left intact, and those are the tribes that weren't captured during the slavery times, The ethiopian/sudan and the mali/bulinafaso(Dogon). The others were greatly displaced during the migration from the north.

@ gatiano I believe all what you said. However also realize that over several centuries, down to this age many people have regrouped into smaller cocoons and so maybe regarded as tribes.

Meanwhile the MAIN is what you stated in your post. And nothing but the Truth!!!

However the major problem militating against having a common historical truths and pride are the Yorubas. Few decades ago, they selfishly rewrote history by weaving their Oduduwa folklore and mythology into "REALITY."

Gatiano, go tell this to an average Yoruba man and blind argument plus rejection will follow you. And if you're Yoruba person, your kinsmen will call you 'omoale' (bastard).

Yorubas made it impossible for us to separate myth / folklore from Real / Recorded histories.

Take as an example, the old Benin Oba establishment of the Lagos monarchy; a well recorded historical phenomenal.

While the latter-day Yorubas cannot dispute it, yet they will never publicly acknowledge this fact, or celebrate it. But have been writing and saying the generation of Benin have been vanquished from Lagos monarchy.

Please note; the families of Lagos monarchy insist they are descendants of Benin, but the nay-sayers are in Ife and Oyo.

BraniacX:


Suit yourself with as many theories as you like, it won't still create any affectations in those you noisily and vehemently claim kinship with except those of convenience.
As for the richness of the yoruba culture, because you're so myopic and self centred you study and are besotted with yourself alone you begin to think the whole world revolves around you, who are you to say the ibo, nupe, efik, kanuri cultures are not as rich if not richer than the yoruba culture? When it comes to african art, after ancient egyptian art, which is the second most valuable african culture in terms of monetary value attached to its art? Clue for you is, its Nigerian but not yoruba!! You busy yourselves trying to claim origin of one concept or thought after another you fail to realise that though different and distinct, ancient cultures interacted and shared concepts, thoughts, gods and even sometimes names with one another but that made them by no means products of one another, it only made them culturally related and this isn't unique to africa or asia alone or maybe you'll like to convonce me that the romans descended from the greeks and the greeks descended from the babylonians abi Because that would be why certain concepts, deities and practices were passed from culture to culture over a millenia give or take a few tweaking aNd name changes here and there.
So as for your names pointing to origin not interactions, tell that fib to the gods
CHIKENA!!!

@ BraniacX thanks for your brilliant contribution. Do you the origin of Yoruba myopic analysis of our common histories? It embedded in their socio-cultural way of life. And this have been parentally grown.

Visit an average Yoruba home, over 90% are taught with subtility NEVER to appreciate other tribe and ethnic. Thus, the mindset of SUPERIORITY is ingrained in them at infancy.

And from within their small chamber, they are taught to believe their folklore and mythological stories emanates from God Almighty.

And it has assume a critical point that even university PhD education has not helped most of them to overcome this social mindset problem.

BraniacX:


Don't be too busy
Post the link written by this phantom itsekiri author so we can dissect and digest.
Being linked to yoruba's only elicits two emotions
revulsion and disgust

And when you say the Benin empire was landlocked, I hope you're aren't extrapolating the current geo-political confines of the Benin kingdom to the ancient Benin empire 'Cos that will make you seem both daft and ignorant and if you are the history buff you claim to be, you'll know that at its height, the Benin empire shared borders with Dahomey in the west with a claim for the founding of Lagos or Eko(war camp in Bini) being made and also early portugese explorers searching for and finding in Benin City the capital of the empire with whom they traded with and interacted at the coast and even receiving embassage in lisbon from the and I quote "mighty benin mornach" in the person of one of his sons and the much we know of the Bini empire today from that era comes not from theories or thesis, oral traditions and superstitions, assumptions and myths but from actual recorded accounts of these early explorers and that is why it was called an "empire" back then, not kingdom as it is known today!!!

So what empire were you saying was landlocked again

@ BraniacX - this is the major attitudinal problem of the Yorubas. To denigrate and vanish others great achievement while promoting theirs above yours. And this attitude is reflective in ALL areas of human endeavour you find the Yorubas.

They will never praise you and help sustain your goodness. Most prefer to 'tear down the picture of their superior' rather than acknowledge it.

Go to companies where Yorubas dominate or 100% Yoruba companies such as Wema Bank, you will weep for the Yorubas.

BraniacX, what you see being displayed here is the legendary Yoruba 'Backstabbing' and 'Pull them down syndrome' which is practically ingrained in them while growing up.

QUESTION: BraniacX are an Edo person? Please let me know.

NigerMan1:




@ BraniacX - this is the major attitudinal problem of the Yorubas. To denigrate and vanish others great achievement while promoting theirs above yours. And this attitude is reflective in ALL areas of human endeavour you find the Yorubas.

They will never praise you and help sustain your goodness. Most prefer to 'tear down the picture of their superior' rather than acknowledge it.

Go to companies where Yorubas dominate or 100% Yoruba companies such as Wema Bank, you will weep for the Yorubas.

BraniacX, what you see being displayed here is the legendary Yoruba 'Backstabbing' and 'Pull them down syndrome' which is practically ingrained in them while growing up.

QUESTION: BraniacX are an Edo person? Please let me know.

I know, even my closest yoruba friends in rare moments of honesty will admit it to anybody too.
No, am isoko.

I am a yoruba, and do not mind most of them, they simply love to be followers not having the minds of their own. All the kings of the southsouth, southwest, southeast, middlebelt and Hausa, know that they are from just one tribe. it is due to greed that they immitated from the whiteman that makes them all do otherwise, or it is simply not time to reveal who is who. In all of our folklores, they say God came from Heaven, which heaven? at one time many trillion years ago, a people came here from outer-space to seed the planet when it was ready, they seed it with plants, and then brought animals and then they began to procreate to they reach the maximum number of 1 billion 8 million people, this is the number of black people. count it yourself, we may not be up to that number, but we will definitely not pass that number. (thus every black person born, dead or alive is recorded and his/her tribe is well known, no black person is a mistake).
They set up another heaven on earth, the center of civilization, where everything was (is it not in the bible that there nothing new under the sky? there is nothing that the non-blacks can imagine or concieve in their mind that we haven't done or imagined), What we had then, is far billion times more than what we all die to have today, thus "don't be a lover of this world". It was when they decided to leave that civilization they called heaven on this same earth, that they went deep in africa, america, pacific, europe, artic, antertica etc, and later on, the non-black were made out of us (from one blood, all nations), they began to cause trouble, it caused us to move from that heaven (which was already missing at the time) and several places that we were into Africa, bringing with us several religions and belief systems and languages into Africa, we didvided ourselves into groups. when the whiteman came into africa, taking us into slavery, we learnt greed and wickedness from them thus what is happening in Africa and black people today. That heaven on earth, which now seem lost is the northern africa, ethiopia, to middle east and down to turkey, jerusalem and palestine. they were or are still desert. Why will people keep killing themselves (arabs, fake jews, white people) over arid desert land? not oil brother, not oil at all.

NigerMan1:


@ gatiano I believe all what you said. However also realize that over several centuries, down to this age many people have regrouped into smaller cocoons and so maybe regarded as tribes.

Meanwhile the MAIN is what you stated in your post. And nothing but the Truth!!!

However the major problem militating against having a common historical truths and pride are the Yorubas. Few decades ago, they selfishly rewrote history by weaving their Oduduwa folklore and mythology into "REALITY."

Gatiano, go tell this to an average Yoruba man and blind argument plus rejection will follow you. And if you're Yoruba person, your kinsmen will call you 'omoale' (bastard).

Yorubas made it impossible for us to separate myth / folklore from Real / Recorded histories.

Take as an example, the old Benin Oba establishment of the Lagos monarchy; a well recorded historical phenomenal.

While the latter-day Yorubas cannot dispute it, yet they will never publicly acknowledge this fact, or celebrate it. But have been writing and saying the generation of Benin have been vanquished from Lagos monarchy.

Please note; the families of Lagos monarchy insist they are descendants of Benin, but the nay-sayers are in Ife and Oyo.

NigerMan1:


Hey macof,

You've not said anything new at all. And just like your fellow Yoruba man, SirShymexx, you tactically avoided most of my points in earlier posts and reveling in same old Yoruba 'historical inventions' to promote your egos and SUPERIORITY.

Over the last few decades I watched as you Yorubas tactically created humongous folklores and tales. While these are good things, however you erred by implying denigration of Benin culture.

You wrote: "Funny how Edo had to wait for Oranmiyan before they started using Oba"

Now who told you this folklore and mythology of Oduduwa and Oranmiyan is TRUE? Of course your elders. Your Oranmiyan establishing kingship in Benin is 100% mythology and folktales. PURE LIES from The Pit of Hell!

In the same vein, we the Edos also have our own version - that the first king of Oyo was a Benin Prince. So you are correct in your history - am also absolutely correct in my history.

But remember, macof; these 'histories and stories' are mythologies. Unfortunately only you the Yorubas been making mouthful of them in Nigeria!

You Wrote: "...that's enough"

So your own historical concoctions are not funny? Or because you'd been tribally hoodwinked to believe them as 'stories from God Almighty' that cannot be (and must not be) challenged? Is it not funny that all you have as 'facts' are Yoruba folktales, folklore and mythologies? And you fervently bring these up to challenge another tribe; claiming yours is truth and others wrong?

All those words/names/titles (Obalesun, Obalara, Obalale, Obawinrin, Obaluru, Obalase, Obaloran, Obatala, Obaluaye) you are bringing up here are ALL modern creation to vanish the Benin origin of the title OBA.

Finally let me tell you an open truth: Until you Yorubas develop an open mind about ancient histories (especially the folklore, folktales and mythologies) that have no proof, and STOP your 'Yoruba SUPERIORITY' - am-more-correct-than-you-attitude - Nigeria will NEVER develop a true history we can collectively be proud of.

more jokes...are u a comedian?
Go ask ur uncles about Lord Oranmiyan and how he was sent to wipe ur asses if not for Ogiamen he would have succeeded in completely colonising u folks

macof:


more jokes...are u a comedian?
Go ask ur uncles about Lord Oranmiyan and how he was sent to wipe ur asses if not for Ogiamen he would have succeeded in completely colonising u folks

My Uncles? Oh sorry you're a typical Yoruba fellow. You were raised as extremely rude, socially indecent and lousy.

Hey I repeat the story of your Oduduwa and Oranyan were complete Yoruba fables and mythologies. They only existed in the Yoruba folktales and human rituals!

Please note this salient fact of recorded history: The Great Benin Empire was stronger, bigger and last longer than Oyo Empire.

You Yorubas can hardly point to great or solid achievement during European foray into our land, when histories were recorded. 97% of your 'history' are deliberate concoction of fabled mythologies attached to the 'dark eras'.

While your fake 'Oranyan' was great when there was no proof; however the old Benin Empire established the Lagos monarchy. And the name EKO (an Edo/Benin name) was given to Lagos.

Your Oranyan was so powerful yet you Yorubas could not invoke his dead spirit to help you overcome the Fulanis as they enslaved and captured Yorubas in Ilorin?

You could not reenact the so called power of your forebear to defeat the Fulanis as they mercilessly overran your terrified people, slaughtered Yorubas like rams and established Emirate.

What happened?

Again I ask you; what happen to the 'bravery DNA' of your forebear in you - their descendants? Why are you Yorubas not known as brave folks in the modern eras?

Or maybe the 'bravery genes' expired with the death of your fabled 'Oranyan'?

macof:


more jokes...are u a comedian?
Go ask ur uncles about Lord Oranmiyan and how he was sent to wipe ur asses if not for Ogiamen he would have succeeded in completely colonising u folks

My Uncles? Oh sorry you're a typical Yoruba fellow. You were raised as extremely rude, socially indecent and lousy.

Hey I repeat the story of your Oduduwa and Oranyan were complete Yoruba fables and mythologies. They only existed in the Yoruba folktales and human rituals!

Please note this salient fact of recorded history: The Great Benin Empire was stronger, bigger and last longer than Oyo Empire.

You Yorubas can hardly point to great or solid achievement during European foray into our land, when histories were recorded. 97% of your 'history' are deliberate concoction of fabled mythologies attached to the 'dark eras'.

While your fake 'Oranyan' was great when there was no proof; however the old Benin Empire established the Lagos monarchy. And the name EKO (an Edo/Benin name) was given to Lagos.

Your Oranyan was so powerful yet you Yorubas could not invoke his dead spirit to help you overcome the Fulanis as they enslaved and captured Yorubas in Ilorin?

You could not reenact the so called power of your forebear to defeat the Fulanis as they mercilessly overran your terrified people, slaughtered Yorubas like rams and established Emirate.

What happened?

Again I ask you; what happen to the 'bravery DNA' of your forebear in you - their descendants? Why are you Yorubas not known as brave folks in the modern eras?

Or maybe the 'bravery genes' expired with the death of your fabled 'Oranyan'?

NigerMan1:


My Uncles? Oh sorry you're a typical Yoruba fellow. You were raised as extremely rude, socially indecent and lousy.

Hey I repeat the story of your Oduduwa and Oranyan were complete Yoruba fables and mythologies. They only existed in the Yoruba folktales and human rituals!

Please note this salient fact of recorded history: The Great Benin Empire was stronger, bigger and last longer than Oyo Empire.

You Yorubas can hardly point to great or solid achievement during European foray into our land, when histories were recorded. 97% of your 'history' are deliberate concoction of fabled mythologies attached to the 'dark eras'.

While your fake 'Oranyan' was great when there was no proof; however the old Benin Empire established the Lagos monarchy. And the name EKO (an Edo/Benin name) was given to Lagos.

Your Oranyan was so powerful yet you Yorubas could not invoke his dead spirit to help you overcome the Fulanis as they enslaved and captured Yorubas in Ilorin?

You could not reenact the so called power of your forebear to defeat the Fulanis as they mercilessly overran your terrified people, slaughtered Yorubas like rams and established Emirate.

What happened?

Again I ask you; what happen to the 'bravery DNA' of your forebear in you - their descendants? Why are you Yorubas not known as brave folks in the modern eras?

Or maybe the 'bravery genes' expired with the death of your fabled 'Oranyan'?

all this history illiterates. I asked u to speak with ur uncles..have u done that? Let them be the ones to tell u about Oranmiyan



Meanwhile...

NigerMan1:


My Uncles? Oh sorry you're a typical Yoruba fellow. You were raised as extremely rude, socially indecent and lousy.

Hey I repeat the story of your Oduduwa and Oranyan were complete Yoruba fables and mythologies. They only existed in the Yoruba folktales and human rituals!

Please note this salient fact of recorded history: The Great Benin Empire was stronger, bigger and last longer than Oyo Empire.

You Yorubas can hardly point to great or solid achievement during European foray into our land, when histories were recorded. 97% of your 'history' are deliberate concoction of fabled mythologies attached to the 'dark eras'.

While your fake 'Oranyan' was great when there was no proof; however the old Benin Empire established the Lagos monarchy. And the name EKO (an Edo/Benin name) was given to Lagos.

Your Oranyan was so powerful yet you Yorubas could not invoke his dead spirit to help you overcome the Fulanis as they enslaved and captured Yorubas in Ilorin?

You could not reenact the so called power of your forebear to defeat the Fulanis as they mercilessly overran your terrified people, slaughtered Yorubas like rams and established Emirate.

What happened?

Again I ask you; what happen to the 'bravery DNA' of your forebear in you - their descendants? Why are you Yorubas not known as brave folks in the modern eras?

Or maybe the 'bravery genes' expired with the death of your fabled 'Oranyan'?

All bravery are traced to you guys na,

why should Yoruba compete with you?

Very soon,a thread will be created to know the origin of "biko"(i.e please/abeg) and "odikwa"(as in-It is...) as these are currently popular among our yoruba friends.

One thing is:No matter how long a Jehovah witness preaches to a "sinner",if he doesnt want to repent,he will not.

so my Igbo brothers,u have given tons of facts yet they see it as a contest they MUST win.Allow then to wallow in ignorance.

*RPGgggggggggggg!!!!! taking cover*

ladionline:


All bravery are traced to you guys na,

why should Yoruba compete with you?

@ ladionline

I don't understand what you mean. I'd been reacting to your fellow Yoruba denigrating remarks against great Benin histories.

Unfortunately no one dare address my points, but were hauling insults at me.

I suggest you take sometime to read this thread very well. It was about guys competing about the origin of the word 'oyinbo' but along the line your fellow Yorubas brought Edo/Benin into the issue by applying the usual Yoruba derogatory and extremely INSULTING remarks about our culture.

Now ladionline let me ask you some salient questions:

>> Why do you Yorubas fond of vaunting 'Superiority complex' against Edo/Benin people and cultures?

>> Why do you guys often regurgitate fables, folklores, tales and mythologies as truths? For example your Oduduwa story is an exclusive "Yoruba folktales and mythology" yet you have continuously apply this as truth

>> Why claiming your 'fathers' inaugurated the Great Benin monarchy? Yet every evidence and proof pointed to the contrary.

>> Why do you Yorubas continue to gloat in this unfortunate historical lies?

>> Why in any little tribal or ethnic based discussions, Yorubas consistently bring forth downgrading arguments against my own great cultures?

>> Why do you Yorubas swallow hook, line and sinker your own as the whole truth, but will be quick to condemn my Edo/Benin history? Isn't this the height of hypocrisy and claims to superiority?

>> ladionline, why even in a normal social gathering, it is common for a Yoruba person to tell an Edo person to his/her face, "Edos are are Yoruba" which is a fallout of your Oduduwa / Oranyan folklore and mythologies.

Don't you guys know is extremely insulting and downgrading another distinct ethnic glory to say such things?

ladionline, here are my advice to you:

1) Purge yourself of 'SUPERIOR' belief about your history as it relates to Edo/Benin monarchy and culture;

2) Encourage all your fellow Yorubas to do same, and stop vaunting fake stories as real against the Edos;

3) Be assured that all tribes and ethnic nationalities on planet earth have several mythologies as well. No only Yorubas. unfortunately only you people are vaunting mythologies as real.

4) You guys must stop INSULTING our historical greatness and pride. On many social occasions, even in print media and TV/Radio I'd listened to Yorubas publicly hauling derogatory statement against my tribe to the admiration of the rest of you. WHY?

Let me give you an example: on a Radio station almost exclusively owned by Yorubas. A woman was anchoring a phone-in programme in Yoruba language. In the course of the program hear what she said in your language: "Awon omo Edo, Yoba na niwon. Wonrin lo ni, arinlo ni won..."

TRANSLATION: The Edo people are originally Yorubas. They emigrated away from us, they are immigrant..."

What does this really mean? That we Edos are bastards. We are not distinct, we are a lost people.

What an extreme insult, yet not a single caller to that program call that woman to order because is a closet belief among you Yorubas. That radio station has management, senior managers, producers, Senior editors and allow such monumental fraud to be aired on Radio?

Unfortunately most of you believe this fake arrogance because you're practically brought up with this fabled lies, and wired to swallow it hook, line and sinker!

5) In Nigeria why are the Yorubas have abusive and derogatory remarks as part of their social culture? Well meaning Yorubas must rise up surgically remove this.

Finally the most unfortunate aspect is that you Yorubas find it impossible to acknowledge and celebrate others tribal ancient glories and influence in present day Yorubaland...

For example, the Benin Kings set up and established the Lagos monarchy. How many of you say this publicly? How many of you celebrate it? Do you have plainly recorded in school history without taint? Instead you wish it were not so.

I implore you Yorubas to let us dwell on recorded history and NOT fable, unfounded theories, folklore and mythologies. By this it'll be easy to know to know who contributed more to the glory of Africa art and culture, plus academics.

I still remember that the whole and entire black race choose a Benin artefact called "Queen Idia" as the symbol of African glory during the Festival of Art and Culture, popularly called "Festac 77'"

You know why? Because of the glorious historical significance of Queen Idia which are well recorded and documented even by European explorers, sailors, missionaries, historians etc.

My God, all this treatise for me as a Yoruba man? Only Jesus can pay for this 'heap of sin'. But your points are noted. And @NigerMan1, tell your Benin folks to stop seeing Awori jurisdiction of Lagos as their outpost. Thanks man.

makazona:
Very soon,a thread will be created to know the origin of "biko"(i.e please/abeg) and "odikwa"(as in-It is...) as these are currently popular among our yoruba friends.

One thing is:No matter how long a Jehovah witness preaches to a "sinner",if he doesnt want to repent,he will not.

so my Igbo brothers,u have given tons of facts yet they see it as a contest they MUST win.Allow then to wallow in ignorance.

*RPGgggggggggggg!!!!! taking cover*

Wats the meaning of Oyibo that's all I ask..if Yoruba copied it from Igbos then Igbo should have a etymology of it
And pls don't bring that dumb "onye ibo" thesis

Btw no Yoruba says Biko or Odikwa...stop ur slander

ladionline:
My God, all this treatise for me as a Yoruba man? Only Jesus can pay for this 'heap of sin'. But your points are noted. And @NigerMan1, tell your Benin folks to stop seeing Awori jurisdiction of Lagos as their outpost. Thanks man.

God forbid that as Edo/Benin we regard Lagos as our own. Once again, God forbid.

But please note these facts:

1) The ancient Lagos is the present day Island, where the present Oba of Lagos dwell. The Aworis later occupied a great part of present day mainland, which were not inhabitable in the olden days.

2) The inhabitants of the Lagos Island were (and still not) Awori.

3) Is on record and well documented that the Oba of Lagos was established by the old Benin Oba. There is no dispute about this fact, and am happy you also agree.

4) The families of the Lagos monarchy ( I mean Isale Eko) still retain and recognize their Benin ancestry up till today.

5) The word 'EKO' was and still a Benin name.

6) The descendants of some chiefs of Benin Kingdom who started the reign in Lagos are today prominent families. A good example is the Obanikoro family

So my friend, do not fret at all. No sane Edo person will claim Awori land as his. Even Isale Eko is NOT part of Benin kingdom, they only colonized it and established the monarchy in the olden days.

Now am assuming you're Awori. Therefore those you need to tell to keep off Awori land are your fellow Yorubas who're not proud of their own ancestry but claiming Lagos as theirs.

You can see how people from Egba, Ijebu, Ijesha, Akure, Ife, Oyo etc have totally subjugated and dominate you the Aworis both economically and politically? And typical of Yorubas they have nothing but disdain for the Aworis.

What we are doing here is stating the TRUE events of history.

NOTE: But if you are not Awori then you're not qualified to speak for Awori.

Finally you said "only Jesus can pay for your sin". I think you're trying to mock those facts I raised instead of addressing them.

If you truly believe in the atonement blood of the lamb, why do you engage in TRIBALISM?

Why do you keep silence when your fellow Yorubas convert every tribal history into "SUPERIORITY" contests? I want you to check this thread from the beginning and see the awful contributions of Yorubas. Bags of insults, generic abuse and ill attitude towards opposing views.

Check the insults your brothers hauled at me on this thread. In fact I challenge you to carry out research on this Forum, you'll discover Yorubas had severally downgraded the Edo/Benin culture and values.

If you believe in the blood of the lamb, why do you believe the Ogboni fable of Oduduwa, which unknown to baby Christians, remained one of the numerous channels of control by principalities over Yorubaland. (Please don't rush to respond if you don't understand this point)

Why do you watch as your Yoruba folks develop insulting and derogatory remarks for the Edos?

macof:



Wats the meaning of Oyibo that's all I ask..if Yoruba copied it from Igbos then Igbo should have a etymology of it
And pls don't bring that dumb "onye ibo" thesis

Btw no Yoruba says Biko or Odikwa...stop ur slander

Is it not unfortunate that the generally saying that most yorubas are rude and intolerant.thats why u call other persons explanation "dumb" even after facts were presented?
Its more of psychological bias which will never allow u see facts objectively.If you want the truth,read this thread again

and for slander(no yoruba says Biko and odikwa)
please listen to Daniel Anidupe a.k.a Kiss Daniel's song "woju"

Also see the pix below by Davido.another yoruba.these are just few of many instances about my assertion.

This shows how subjective ur arguement is.

Tnx

NigerMan1:


God forbid that as Edo/Benin we regard Lagos as our own. Once again, God forbid.

But please note these facts:

1) The ancient Lagos is the present day Island, where the present Oba of Lagos dwell. The Aworis later occupied a great part of present day mainland, which were not inhabitable in the olden days.

2) The inhabitants of the Lagos Island were (and still not) Awori.

3) Is on record and well documented that the Oba of Lagos was established by the old Benin Oba. There is no dispute about this fact, and am happy you also agree.

4) The families of the Lagos monarchy ( I mean Isale Eko) still retain and recognize their Benin ancestry up till today.

5) The word 'EKO' was and still a Benin name.

6) The descendants of some chiefs of Benin Kingdom who started the reign in Lagos are today prominent families. A good example is the Obanikoro family

So my friend, do not fret at all. No sane Edo person will claim Awori land as his. Even Isale Eko is NOT part of Benin kingdom, they only colonized it and established the monarchy in the olden days.

Now am assuming you're Awori. Therefore those you need to tell to keep off Awori land are your fellow Yorubas who're not proud of their own ancestry but claiming Lagos as theirs.

You can see how people from Egba, Ijebu, Ijesha, Akure, Ife, Oyo etc have totally subjugated and dominate you the Aworis both economically and politically? And typical of Yorubas they have nothing but disdain for the Aworis.

What we are doing here is stating the TRUE events of history.

NOTE: But if you are not Awori then you're not qualified to speak for Awori.

Finally you said "only Jesus can pay for your sin". I think you're trying to mock those facts I raised instead of addressing them.

If you truly believe in the atonement blood of the lamb, why do you engage in TRIBALISM?

Why do you keep silence when your fellow Yorubas convert every tribal history into "SUPERIORITY" contests? I want you to check this thread from the beginning and see the awful contributions of Yorubas. Bags of insults, generic abuse and ill attitude towards opposing views.

Check the insults your brothers hauled at me on this thread. In fact I challenge you to carry out research on this Forum, you'll discover Yorubas had severally downgraded the Edo/Benin culture and values.

If you believe in the blood of the lamb, why do you believe the Ogboni fable of Oduduwa, which unknown to baby Christians, remained one of the numerous channels of control by principalities over Yorubaland. (Please don't rush to respond if you don't understand this point)

Why do you watch as your Yoruba folks develop insulting and derogatory remarks for the Edos?

U v spoken well bro.Dont mind them

@ NigerMan1
When are u going to stop ur emotional blabbing? Nobody insulted you or Bini

No Yoruba person insults Bini, we see Edos as brothers and don't discriminate towards u in the slightest manner. Yoruba history cannot be said without touching Bini jst like Bini history cannot be said without touching Ife, Oyo and Eastern Yoruba Towns
Bini or Edo as u like to call it is jst one single tribe..Yoruba is an ethnic constellation of tribes. so technically Yoruba not only have a larger population, bigger land we also are more influential. it's that simple no need for emotions that don't get us anywhere

Benin kings set up Lagos monarchy? What Lagos history do u know? The Awori set up Lagos monarchy.. go to Iseleko(downtown Lagos island) and ask who the Idejo chiefs are..
No offence to Oba of Lagos(commonly referred as Eleko) but he is not the ruler of Eko but a figure head, traditionally he owns nothing more than his palace(built as a gift for him on the island farm of Aromire - one of the Idejo chiefs) ..the Idejo chiefs are the rulers - the law makers and land owners...outside Asipa settling disputes among the Chiefs and his son Ado permanently residing in Eko, Benin nation had no power or influence over the Idejo chiefs because they owned more lands than even the Oba of Benin had to his name. Any form of presumed tributary was of the appreciation of having a neutral counsel in person of Ado

Very similar to the situation at which Oranmiyan found himself in Bini before Oba Ewedo suppressed the Bini chiefs and defeated Ogiamen

makazona:


Is it not unfortunate that the generally saying that most yorubas are rude and intolerant.thats why u call other persons explanation "dumb" even after facts were presented?
Its more of psychological bias which will never allow u see facts objectively.If you want the truth,read this thread again

and for slander(no yoruba says Biko and odikwa)
please listen to Daniel Anidupe a.k.a Kiss Daniel's song "woju"

Also see the pix below by Davido.another yoruba.these are just few of many instances about my assertion.

This shows how subjective ur arguement is.

Tnx

And he was speaking Yoruba? this guy is another joke

Davido wasn't writing Yoruba but pidgin...am sure you understand wat am talking about

makazona:


U v spoken well bro.Dont mind them

Igboman hailing the Edo jst out of his hatred for Yoruba

Nothing wey I no see for this life

NigerMan1:
Now am assuming you're Awori. Therefore
those you need to tell to keep off Awori land
are your fellow Yorubas who're not proud of
their own ancestry but claiming Lagos as
theirs.
You can see how people from Egba, Ijebu,
Ijesha, Akure, Ife, Oyo etc have totally
subjugated and dominate you the Aworis
both economically and politically? And
typical of Yorubas they have nothing but
disdain for the Aworis.

Not trying to plant a seed of division in the Yoruba nation now are u?

If only Bini, Owan, Etsako, Esan, Urhobo can come together as one you would be better off than divided along meaningless political lines

macof:


Igboman hailing the Edo jst out of his hatred for Yoruba

Nothing wey I no see for this life

U are also my brother too.i have maaaaaaaaany yoruba friends...But its all about mutual respect.

Learn to respest others too

macof:


And he was speaking Yoruba? this guy is another joke

Davido wasn't writing Yoruba but pidgin...am sure you understand wat am talking about

Yes i understand he was speaking igbo which u have termed "pidgin". very soon we will argue they are not igbo words but "pidgin".

Accept ur error.that makes u a man.

macof:


Not trying to plant a seed of division in the Yoruba nation now are u?

If only Bini, Owan, Etsako, Esan, Urhobo can come together as one you would be better off than divided along meaningless political lines

Hey you said, "trying to plant a seed of division in the Yoruba nation..."

Sorry you clearly misinterpreted my intention. Firstly no one can sow a seed of division in people without existing hidden cleavages.

I only broaden my argument with that part, while you ignored the WHOLE post altogether.

Again let me remind you that what I said about Aworis in Lagis is 100% truth.

And the so-called "unity among Yoruba" is a fallacy. What is keeping it is the Nigeria umbrella. I can tell you the hatred between many ethnics in Yorubaland is legendary, raw and present.

Let me give you some examples:

1) The Aworis and Egbas in Ogun state. In Sango/Ota many lives have been lost over dispute and superiority of indignity, land and chiefdom rights. As I type the hatred is deep and real.

Same with Egba and Ijebu, who constantly use derogatory words to each. Till today the Ife and Modakeke are silent enemies. Ibadan are wary of the Oyos and Ogbomosho while claiming to be better Yorubas!

2) WEMA BANK. This is a wholly Yoruba bank but the animosity, hatred and inter-tribal competitions are the main reasons Wema bank is stunted. The same reasons career of many Yoruba professionals in Wema in jeopardy.

Again you wrote: "If only Bini, Owan, Etsako, Esan, Urhobo can come together as one you would be better off than divided along meaningless political lines"

My friend this belief is also a complete fallacy to deceive people in Nigeria. Coming together to form a bigger block is but a destructive policy of retrogression. How? The political elites formulated that idea to cheat majority.

So coming together will not improve things better than they are. For example, Yoruba politics has remained same, only elites get your block votes and go share the booty. The same applies to Igbo and Hausa / Fulanis.

The only course to modern development are: Truths, Honesty, Godliness and Egalitarian society.

Not a humongous political block that feed the big cats at the expense of the majority.

NOTE: All the tribes you mentioned are in Edo state except Urhobo. Bini, Etsako, Esan are 100% Edos!