asuoka:

Lol...take ur grievances to ur capital and carry placards and complain we r useless..post it on NL...then ill knw ur serious...
Cheers bro..it was nice meeting u...even thou we meet on the wrong note...sorry for all the comments..just couldn't allow any body bash my country with out a fight
In nigeria after we fight we still hug ourselves and go to the bar and drink to the end of the night..
Hw r u by the way...

Again, this is a thread. Designed for the posting of stuff.

Your country is not being "bashed" if what is being said is true. And your failure to debate means that you also know that what is being said is true.

DieVluit:


Again, this is a thread. Designed for the posting of stuff.

Your country is not being "bashed" if what is being said is true. And your failure to debate means that you also know that what is being said is true.

Dude trust me on this one...the reason why this "BH" issue reached dis stage is because of political sabotage..which every nigerian nw..

Many foreign press just restructured the stuffs..many of this folks don't knw our country more than us...I knw officers that served in NE and the stories they shared were not encouraging thou...

Arm was not our problem but sabotage...the Nigerian military have loads of weapons but most of them r held in secret facilities...I went to a military school...I knw virtually evrtin abt dem...

BH showed propaganda videos of fleeing soldiers...those men were sabotaged by some group of BH sympathisers in the military...

If u want to knw how much military hardwares we have u have to be a soldier to knw or else ull be blank...most of our bases have air landing bases...so we hardly get to knw wat enters our country to our military...

Pls try to get facts right before coming here to crucify us true u have a vibrant defense industry we do have too..

But we r not dragging wit u...but ur making it seems as if ur better than us and our military r just "boy scouts" those guys have tried go tru my profile and search my topics ull see a thread I created on dead soldiers read it and ull be amazed that's all
Cheers bro

Henry120:

R4 a copy of a copy = obsolete

R5 = you don't have it in service, neither can the SANDF afford EO TECH scope.

3. CR-21 = failed concept, you also don't have it.

4. Truvelo Raptor = now, you're day dreaming.

Did i say we have all these rifles in service?
And the R5 is in service with the special force and all SAP officers have a R5 in their patrol car as a backup firearm.

1.Special Forces operative with R5, note the scope on the R5

Henry120:

R4 a copy of a copy = obsolete

R5 = you don't have it in service, neither can the SANDF afford EO TECH scope.

3. CR-21 = failed concept, you also don't have it.

4. Truvelo Raptor = now, you're day dreaming.

R4 based rifel scoped.

jln115:

How is the Beryl better?
R4 has:
Better Rate of fire
Better Muzzel velocity
Bigger magazine
and the same firing range

Wrong data. Citation needed.

Nigerian soldiers with Beryl rifles will k.ill South African soldiers with R4 rifles from extra range advantage of 150 meters, you won't even get close to our lines
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jln115:

Its ok they gave us the 2010 fifa world cup in the end, how many has Nigeria hosted?

Nigeria has hosted two FIFA world cups. Google is free of charge
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agaugust:


Nigeria has hosted two FIFA world cups. Google is free of charge
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HAHAHAH what u/13 world cup?

agaugust:


Wrong data. Citation needed
.

Google is free of charge.

jln115:

HAHAHAH what u/13 world cup?

Nope , not U-13.

Nigeria has hosted TWO FIFA world cups. South Africa hosted only one. Deal with it

jln115:

Did i say we have all these rifles in service?
And the R5 is in service with the special force and all SAP officers have a R5 in their patrol car as a backup firearm.

1.Special Forces operative with R5, note the scope on the R5

You conveniently stuck that so as to deny culpablity when called out. Not quite smart enough.

No, the R5 isn't in service with no special forces. Your special forces roundly routed in the CAR all had the obsolete R4 rifles.

One grainy image proves nothing. The grainy image shows a soldier holding an R4 DMR.

jln115:

Google is free of charge.

South African R4 rfle effective range 450 m

Nigerian Beryl rifle effective range 600 m

We pick off and knock off your HIV ridden army like toy soldiers from over half a kilometer away, and you won't even see us
.

agaugust:


Nope , not U-13.

Nigeria has hosted TWO FIFA world cups. South Africa hosted only one. Deal with it

Sneaky

jln115:

R4 based rifel scoped.

This is called a DMR. Like the other photo you tried to pass of, this is an R4 DMR.

Henry120:


You conveniently stuck that so as to deny culpablity when called out. Not quite smart enough.

No, the R5 isn't in service with no special forces. Your special forces roundly routed in the CAR all had the obsolete R4 rifles.

One grainy image proves nothing. The grainy image shows a soldier holding an R4 DMR.

Dont think its a DMR(could be) the handguard and stock look different to the DMR, but it is R4 based.
secondly the R5 is in service with our special forces, the R5 is a R4 with a shorter barrel or basically a R4 carbine.
and we destroyed Seleka btw 1000+dead vs 15dead and they surrenderd.
http://www.army.mil.za/equipment/weaponsystems/infantry/R4_R5%20Assault_Rifles.htm
Pic: Special Forces operative with an R5

agaugust:


South African R4 rfle effective range 450 m

Nigerian Beryl rifle effective range 600 m

We pick off and knock off your HIV ridden army like toy soldiers from over half a kilometer away, and you won't even see us
.

Actually its 500m, and its the only aspect where the Beryl is better, besides at those ranges we have the R1 or R4DMR designated marksmans rifle, assault rifles are used for mostly for close combat thus there are designated marksman rifles for longer ranges.

agaugust:


Nope , not U-13.

Nigeria has hosted TWO FIFA world cups. South Africa hosted only one. Deal with it

I was being sarcastic re.taard, but hey congrats to Nigeria for hosting two age group world cups, must have been difficult controlling the massive influx of fans from all around the world, much much more fans than we had to deal with in 2010!

Henry120:


Kits
Kit standardisation
The refusal of some troops to wear their kits.
Size of AOR : 15,000km
Weather : 30 - 45 degress
#Bama battle
Kits
Nigeria is a large country with different types of terrain, topography and general climatic conditions.
while the south is swampy, with hundreds of delta's and mangroves, the middle belt is savannah with a cool/mild temprature, while the far north is dry, hot, mountainous( north-east), in some areas desert and generally un-forgiven.

What this means is, unlike South-Africa it is impossible for Nigeria to have a single camo.
So, if troops are moved from Division 2 in the east to the 7 Division in the north-east, they don't magically appear with desert camo. They would have to be issued new Camos, and logistics takes time.

The Nigeria army uses
1)Woodland camo (old)
2)Woodland camo (new)
3)Desert camo (new)
4)Desert camo (old)
5)New Desert camo recenty introduced to help with standardisation in the North-East.

Kit standardisation in AOR
Why can't there be a kit standardisation in the North-East?
Simple "Nigeria" won't allow it. Like I pointed out, Nigeria is a vast country, and troops get rotated a lot in Nigeria. As the move along, they move along with their basic kits, which mostly is woodland camo.
There is also the problem of availability. In many cases local production of kits can't meet local demand. What this means is, kits would invariably have to be outsource, hence the discrepancies in camo.
To deal with this problem the Army signed an MoU with a local firm for the manufacture and supply of an entirely new type of camo. Hence the new camo troops now wear.

The refusal of troops to wear their kits in bama.
The AOR is 15,000km in size, this is the size of Scotland and wales.
Borno state is the biggest state in Nigeria, it is the size of Togo and Benin republic joined together.
The Kits used by the Army is made by DICON or local manufacturers.
The climatic conditions in the AOR are amongst the worst in the world. The North-East is hot, dry, dusty and and harsh. With temperatures toping 45 degrees.
Soldiers in bama had earlier in their forward momentum cleared mafa, Marte etc local governments. It has been a long daily and mostly sleepless operations. With troops suffering from tiredness and fatigue.
In this state, I don't see how troops who are expected to again mobilise, and engage the enemy in bama to come to battle feeling very weak and battle weary.
The mobilisation to bama included a 4KM walk for troops with over 1200 areas mined. This mean a 4KM journey is now 30-40km in actual sense.

They ought to be in the right state of mind to engage the enemy, when the get to known enemy location. If this means travelling light, it is not only advised, but might also be their only saving grace from collapse.

Soldiers travelled light in Bama because most of them chose to, there is absolutely nothing to fault in this decision.

1. South Africa has multiple environmental types - from jungle to desert, alpine woodland (which you dont have), Savannah, bush and temperate forestes (massive tree plantations in Limpopo). We chose a cammo that can operate in all

2. I still do not see:
- standardized webbing
- standardized BVP's
I dont care if the uniforms dont match the BVP's or vice versa, US Marines invaded Iraq in woodland cammo because there wasnt enough desert fatigues to go around.

What I DISLIKE is that men within ONE UNIT have different cammo, webbing, rucks etc

3. The job of a soldier is, since the times of the romans, TO CARRY HEAVY SH!T from A to B. Those soldiers "travelling light" have decided not to carry vital equipment that is invaluable in a fire fight and instead put it in cars? So what do they do if they hit contact?

4. Dont tell us about your environment, French soldiers in the Sahara desert and NATO in Afghanistan still hump all their gear IN COMBAT. And you tell us that your men are too weak to wear their webbing for a short 4km walk?

You cannot defend professional soldiers who are so weak that they need to drop their gear to perform a simple rout march

agaugust:


Rifles alone don't win wars.

Nigerian army paid Poland for 15,000 units of Beryl Carbine rifles far superior to South African army's R4 rifles . You are lost in time about Nigerian army's current capacity and modernization, your old days of Niger Delta militancy level of weaponry has passed. My brother your database has become outdated. Sorry o !
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[size=15pt]First - stop telling lies on this forum. [/size]

You orderd 1,000 rifles.
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/11847/Nigeria_Orders_1000_Beryl_Rifles_From_Poland#.VQdzjo6UeSo

Second, how is it better?

asuoka:


They pitied ur cry baby face when dey denied u 2006 world cup...cheers

you made a statement saying that the world recognizes you better,you can't even show one scenario to back up your dream, hosting world events like FIFA world world cup is another world recognition you will only dream of..your brothers are getting bad treatment in every corner of the globe,is that recognition?

Henry120:

R4 a copy of a copy = obsolete

R5 = you don't have it in service, neither can the SANDF afford EO TECH scope.

3. CR-21 = failed concept, you also don't have it.

4. Truvelo Raptor = now, you're day dreaming.

Considering Nigeria currently has a copy of a Chinese AK-47 as its main service weapon, you shouldent be talking

R5 is in service and has been for a long time, SANDF can afford (and has purchased) things you can only dream of

CR-21, maybe, but unlike Nigeria we have the capacity to develop new guns.

Henry120:


Hey, Afrikanner Pig, you have no R5 in service.

U wot m8?

In future, Igbo monkey, you should do some research.

agaugust:


Nigeria has hosted two FIFA world cups. Google is free of charge
.

cricket and rugby I guess...

agaugust:


Wrong data. Citation needed.

Nigerian soldiers with Beryl rifles will k.ill South African soldiers with R4 rifles from extra range advantage of 150 meters, you won't even get close to our lines
.

Provide data or stop posting

agaugust:


Nigeria has hosted two FIFA world cups. Google is free of charge
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False
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup_hosts

Since google is free, you should use it once in a while

agaugust:


Nope , not U-13.

Nigeria has hosted TWO FIFA world cups. South Africa hosted only one. Deal with it

Nigeria has never hosted THE FIFA World cup

The only thing you host is poverty, boko haram and foreign soldiers

Henry120:


You conveniently stuck that so as to deny culpablity when called out. Not quite smart enough.

No, the R5 isn't in service with no special forces. Your special forces roundly routed in the CAR all had the obsolete R4 rifles.

One grainy image proves nothing. The grainy image shows a soldier holding an R4 DMR.

How is the R4 obsolete? What makes it so?

R5 is in service with the regular SANDF

agaugust:


South African R4 rfle effective range 450 m

Nigerian Beryl rifle effective range 600 m

We pick off and knock off your HIV ridden army like toy soldiers from over half a kilometer away, and you won't even see us
.

This is beyond childish

This guy is bragging about 1000 rifles when the majority of his army uses a copy of a copy of an AK47

Please

Henry120:


This is called a DMR. Like the other photo you tried to pass of, this is an R4 DMR.

You said the SANDF couldent afford optics?

jln115:

Dont think its a DMR(could be) the handguard and stock look different to the DMR, but it is R4 based.
secondly the R5 is in service with our special forces, the R5 is a R4 with a shorter barrel or basically a R4 carbine.
and we destroyed Seleka btw 1000+dead vs 15dead and they surrenderd.
http://www.army.mil.za/equipment/weaponsystems/infantry/R4_R5%20Assault_Rifles.htm
Pic: Special Forces operative with an R5

Thats not special forces

Thats the Tactical Intelligence Regiment

Regular army

jln115:

Actually its 500m, and its the only aspect where the Beryl is better, besides at those ranges we have the R1 or R4DMR designated marksmans rifle, assault rifles are used for mostly for close combat thus there are designated marksman rifles for longer ranges.

R4 rifle effective range is only 450 m, Beryl is 600 m.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6250:fact-file-r4-assault-rifle&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

http://en.fabrykabroni.pl/?d=111

Stop posting false data here dude !

Nigerian infantry will k.ill SANDF troops and save them the trouble of dying slowly from HIV.

We wipe your riflemen out from safe distance you wont even see us

.

Remeber when augugubugug was talking about ground search radar:

Under the programme, SANDF has acquired a total of 14 Thales Squire ground surveillance radars, 65 Sophie thermal imagers, processors and communications equipment, as reported by Defence Web.

Featuring the frequency modulated continuous wave (FMCW) Doppler radar, the Squire is a portable medium-range ground surveillance radar that is designed to detect and identify people in camouflage at ranges of more than 10km and moving tank-sized vehicles distances from as far away as 48km.

The radar is integrated with automatic target classification facilities for persons, wheeled vehicles, tracked vehicles and helicopters, and cannot be detected by hostile electronic support measures (ESM) equipment and radar warning receivers.
http://www.army-technology.com/news/newssouth-african-army-receives-new-tactical-intelligence-system

Yet again, SANDF is acquiring equipment Nigeria could only dream of

agaugust:


R4 rifle effective range is only 450 m, Beryl is 600 m.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6250:fact-file-r4-assault-rifle&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

http://en.fabrykabroni.pl/?d=111

Stop posting false data here dude !

Nigerian infantry will k.ill SANDF troops and save them the trouble of dying slowly from HIV.

We wipe your riflemen out from safe distance you wont even see us

.

Average Nigerian infantryman doesnt have the it

The average Nigerian infantryman has a copy of a copy of a gun from the 1950's