makazona:


U are also my brother too.i have maaaaaaaaany yoruba friends...But its all about mutual respect.

Learn to respest others too

Don't come here that famous line Mr. u jst hailed Nigerman1 for most of the crap he posted jst because it's against Yoruba not because it's true

Where did I disrespect anybody?

makazona:


Yes i understand he was speaking igbo which u have termed "pidgin". very soon we will argue they are not igbo words but "pidgin".

Accept ur error.that makes u a man.

smh. carry on...

I made no error if u have problems understanding simple text sorry

macof:
@ NigerMan1
When are u going to stop ur emotional blabbing? Nobody insulted you or Bini

No Yoruba person insults Bini, we see Edos as brothers and don't discriminate towards u in the slightest manner. Yoruba history cannot be said without touching Bini jst like Bini history cannot be said without touching Ife, Oyo and Eastern Yoruba Towns
Bini or Edo as u like to call it is jst one single tribe..Yoruba is an ethnic constellation of tribes. so technically Yoruba not only have a larger population, bigger land we also are more influential. it's that simple no need for emotions that don't get us anywhere

Benin kings set up Lagos monarchy? What Lagos history do u know? The Awori set up Lagos monarchy.. go to Iseleko(downtown Lagos island) and ask who the Idejo chiefs are..
No offence to Oba of Lagos(commonly referred as Eleko) but he is not the ruler of Eko but a figure head, traditionally he owns nothing more than his palace(built as a gift for him on the island farm of Aromire - one of the Idejo chiefs) ..the Idejo chiefs are the rulers - the law makers and land owners...outside Asipa settling disputes among the Chiefs and his son Ado permanently residing in Eko, Benin nation had no power or influence over the Idejo chiefs because they owned more lands than even the Oba of Benin had to his name. Any form of presumed tributary was of the appreciation of having a neutral counsel in person of Ado

Very similar to the situation at which Oranmiyan found himself in Bini before Oba Ewedo suppressed the Bini chiefs and defeated Ogiamen

Am perturbed how you Yorubas are skipping most of my points and responding to selected points with fables, theories, fallacies and mythologies.

Sorry macof - we are not brothers at all. We never related by blood in anyway. I reject the Yoruba manner of calling me a brother when indirectly he's downgrading my culture. Brotherhood is define by mutual respect which Yoruba lack.

However we are 'brothers' as Africans, just as we are brothers to Igbo, Ghana, Hausa, Ijaw, Tiv, Bantu and all fellow Blacks in Africa and Diaspora.

You wrote: " Yoruba is an ethnic constellation of tribes. so technically Yoruba not only have a larger population, bigger land we also are more influential."

This is the poor Blackman peculiar thinking responsible for our generational backwardness as Black race. So Yoruba population automatically make you more 'influential'?

Can you give me few statistics to back up this claim that you're more influential than Edos in this country?

Unknown to you, politicians use this fallacious pride to control people. The world only bow to strategists and developers - not unproductive population that contribute little or nothing to mankind.

My friend, stop gloating over your so-called population, it means nothing in modern era.

Moreover the history in contention happened when there was no Yoruba - but principally old Oyo Empire Then much later, Ife and old Lagos. The word 'Yoruba' is a modern nomenclature of less than 150 years, spun to bring under one umbrella and spiritually control the ethnic people known as Yorubas today.

About Lagos Monarchy: So you grudgingly admit Oba of Benin did have influence in Old Lagos? But typical of Yoruba 'lies and backstabbing' you quickly brought up side-tracking stories to dilute the truths and its significance.

The reason you Yorubas could NOT deny this amazing historical events was because it was well recorded, documented both in Nigeria and Europe. Plus there are physical remnant such as Obanikoro family, the monarchy descendants, the name EKO, artworks etc

And you wrote: "Very similar to the situation at which Oranmiyan found himself in Bini before Oba Ewedo suppressed the Bini chiefs and defeated Ogiamen"

This is pure Yoruba mythology and folklores. First your Oranyan NEVER existed as human but in Yoruba folktales and Ogbani dialects.

While that of Oba of Benin establishing Lagos monarchy happened in more recent history; well recorded and documented by Europeans. Your own Oranyan "happened" in the 'African dark ages' in fables and tales.

Moreover in those days Yorubas were not smart enough to accomplish such feat in Benin, the reason such tales existed in your folk stories to embellish your superiority rants.

.

NigerMan1:


God forbid that as Edo/Benin we regard Lagos as our own. Once again, God forbid.

But please note these facts:

1) The ancient Lagos is the present day Island, where the present Oba of Lagos dwell. The Aworis later occupied a great part of present day mainland, which were not inhabitable in the olden days.

2) The inhabitants of the Lagos Island were (and still not) Awori.

3) Is on record and well documented that the Oba of Lagos was established by the old Benin Oba. There is no dispute about this fact, and am happy you also agree.

4) The families of the Lagos monarchy ( I mean Isale Eko) still retain and recognize their Benin ancestry up till today.

5) The word 'EKO' was and still a Benin name.

6) The descendants of some chiefs of Benin Kingdom who started the reign in Lagos are today prominent families. A good example is the Obanikoro family

You have spoken well, I believe your post is provocative to the Yorubas just as the above.

macof:


Don't come here that famous line Mr. u jst hailed Nigerman1 for most of the crap he posted jst because it's against Yoruba not because it's true

Where did I disrespect anybody?

@ macof - this is the major problem with you Yorubas. Now you gleefully described my posts as CRAP.

Now how do you describe your own theories?

Biblical truth?

Koranic truth?

Stories from God Almighty?

Stories created from 1st heaven and handed over to you?

Condemning others history while hailing yours is the height of hypocrisy and smack of Superiority mindset. Unfortunately only you, the Yorubas practice this in Nigeria!

ladionline:
You have spoken well, I believe your post is provocative to the Yorubas just as the above.

@ ladionline - so you mean you Yorubas knows the meaning of provocation? No I don't believe you know.

So you hate being provoked yet for many years, you created stories that practically promote your people, culture and language as SUPER SUPERIOR to the Edos?

For many years, Yorubas find joy in downgrading the Edos and Benin Empire and its many achievements and contributions to the Black culture.

This has assumed a sociocultural attitude and mindset among Yorubas (even in unborn babies) to talk down on an Edo indigene even in Public. Why? Because an average Yoruba is brought up with the Oduduwa folklore and how it gave us king, bla bla bla.

It was so bad that Awolowo infused this tragedy into the curriculum in the old Western region. Children read this awful, shameful lies and have it ingrained in their subconscious.

So much so bad, even a Yoruba person not close to your rating, meets you in a public, with deep sense of Superiority and selfish pride will say to your face; "Edo are Yoruba"

My friend, what do you call this?

Finally I don't want you to reply in conjecture. Please bring out clearly the points you considered provocative.

NigerMan1:


@ macof - this is the major problem with you Yorubas. Now you gleefully described my posts as CRAP.

Now how do you describe your own theories?

Biblical truth?

Koranic truth?

Stories from God Almighty?

Stories created from 1st heaven and handed over to you?

Condemning others history while hailing yours is the height of hypocrisy and smack of Superiority mindset. Unfortunately only you, the Yorubas practice this in Nigeria!

Dude u are obviously too emotional.,u say oduduwa and Oranmiyan never existed, Yoruba hate each other, Yoruba feel superior, Yoruba are not smart, Yoruba are this and that bla bla bla jst to keep urself saying something and nobody went emotional about that but we all simply ignored ur nonsense...allowing u to pour out ur emotions

if u think Yoruba have superiority complex as much as u claim because many have pride. maybe because when u look at Yoruba what you see is superiority...but then that's left for u to sort out

ladionline:
You have spoken well, I believe your post is provocative to the Yorubas just as the above.

the guy has gross inferiority complex. He mistakes pride in history and culture for Yorubas claiming to be superior...we aren't claiming that with Bariba, Fon, Ewe and Nupe that we conquered. according to him it's Edo we tackle day and night

@Nigerman1 nobody insulted u or insulted ur ancient kingdom...asides SirShymexx statement of Benin empire being landlocked...which he misplaced Empire for kingdom

You are the one hurling insults at over 40million people and hypocritically playing victim of verbal assault.
A pity u don't even know ur Benin history, Oranmiyan is a myth
Where did Oba of Benin come from? The sky?

macof:


the guy has gross inferiority complex. He mistakes pride in history and culture for Yorubas claiming to be superior...we aren't claiming that with Bariba, Fon, Ewe and Nupe that we conquered. according to him it's Edo we tackle day and night

@Nigerman1 nobody insulted u or insulted ur ancient kingdom...asides SirShymexx statement of Benin empire being landlocked...which he misplaced Empire for kingdom

You are the one hurling insults at over 40million people and hypocritically playing victim of verbal assault.
A pity u don't even know ur Benin history, Oranmiyan is a myth
Where did Oba of Benin come from? The sky?

The guy is hurting seriously, I dont know how not to offend him.

Nigerman1: @ ladionline - so you mean you Yorubas
knows the meaning of provocation? No I
don't believe you know. So you hate being provoked yet for many
years, you created stories that practically
promote your people, culture and language
as SUPER SUPERIOR to the Edos?

Am I suppose to find ways to make Yoruba inferior to Edo? Did I ever write Yoruba stories robbing or mocking any tribe? Yoruba does not need me to shine, it always shine, it is me that needs Yoruba to shine. I am doing my little to ascribe greatness to my source, I believe I never stopped you from putting up Super Superior Edo Stories? Like others, I will keep finding pleasant stories about Yoruba, to share with Yorubas that has wholesome love for their homeland, regardless of whose horse is gored. I know Oduduwa is 'the ultimate evil' to you, but that's my ancestor. Yours can be the immaculate culture, its not mine: I'm okay with my heritage.

macof:


Don't come here that famous line Mr. u jst hailed Nigerman1 for most of the crap he posted jst because it's against Yoruba not because it's true

Where did I disrespect anybody?

You dnt bliv that someone can see beyond ethnic sentiments.thats why u think i shld nt come with the "famous line".

You disrespect people with your choice of word.dont call people's point "crap" and other unfriendly words.Learn to respect people's opinion and intelligently/decorously disprove such.

Hail anybody that is making a good point.keep tribalism aside.it pays not.

macof:


smh. carry on...

I made no error if u have problems understanding simple text sorry

I was correct about u being subjective.now see ur error
"NO yoruba speaks "odikwa" and "biko" which i proved wrong.i know no one is above mistakes.

so apologise first.

macof:


Dude u are obviously too emotional.,u say oduduwa and Oranmiyan never existed, Yoruba hate each other, Yoruba feel superior, Yoruba are not smart, Yoruba are this and that bla bla bla jst to keep urself saying something and nobody went emotional about that but we all simply ignored ur nonsense...allowing u to pour out ur emotions

if u think Yoruba have superiority complex as much as u claim because many have pride. maybe because when u look at Yoruba what you see is superiority...but then that's left for u to sort out

.

Unfortunately you guys are avoiding the obvious in my posts.

Sorry the issue about Superiority' is your vaunting social attitude at downgrading others while promoting yours.

So I don't see Superiority in you; but rude manners and uncouth language when talking about others tribe and culture.

macof:


the guy has gross inferiority complex. He mistakes pride in history and culture for Yorubas claiming to be superior...we aren't claiming that with Bariba, Fon, Ewe and Nupe that we conquered. according to him it's Edo we tackle day and night

@Nigerman1 nobody insulted u or insulted ur ancient kingdom...asides SirShymexx statement of Benin empire being landlocked...which he misplaced Empire for kingdom

You are the one hurling insults at over 40million people and hypocritically playing victim of verbal assault.
A pity u don't even know ur Benin history, Oranmiyan is a myth
Where did Oba of Benin come from? The sky?

@ macof - let me provide responses under your posts:

You Wrote: "the guy has gross inferiority complex. He mistakes pride in history and culture for Yorubas claiming to be superior...we aren't claiming that with Bariba, Fon, Ewe and Nupe that we conquered. according to him it's Edo we tackle day and night

Me inferior? Again your uncouth, rude and insulting language and manners is legendary. Leaving substance and hurling abusive words does you no good. Challenging your age-old lies about Edos and stating facts now make me INFERIOR?

Yes it is good to have pride in history and culture. We are discussing this much because we each take pride in our history, culture and values.

However your pride should not DEPRIVE others of their own pride. Do you understand?

I understand that many Yoruba regard 'pride in culture' when downgrading others cultures? Read my earlier posts, I gave several instances such as a Woman radio presenter who indirectly called Edo people bastard on a live Radio, Yoruba call-in program. Is that the brand of Yoruba pride you're talking about?

When you meet an Edo person in public you say to his face, "Edos are Yoruba". Is that pride?

You Wrote: "@Nigerman1 nobody insulted u or insulted ur ancient kingdom...asides SirShymexx statement of Benin empire being landlocked...which he misplaced Empire for kingdom

Please appreciate facts and truth. Even you just called me INFERIOR and you said nobody insulted me. You and SirShymexx and others used derogatory words like 'crap', 'illiterates', 'useless', referring to my uncles, calling Edos on a certain site 'lost cause', and similar words, yet you said you did not insult?

Look am NOT annoyed because it is ingrained in Yorubas to abuse and insult, when discussion of this nature become hot. It is practically impossible for an average Yoruba person to lay your point without being abusive.

You Wrote: "You are the one hurling insults at over 40million people and hypocritically playing victim of verbal assault.
A pity u don't even know ur Benin history, Oranmiyan is a myth"

Sorry do not bring unnecessary population numbers to the midst. Your number is not more important than the subject matter. And as I said before it is retrogressive mindset to hurl around population number instead of Values.

I challenge you to prove I insult you. And if you consider Oduduwas / Oranyan real it simply means you guys are refusing the truths.

You Wrote: "Where did Oba of Benin come from? The sky?"

The Oba of Benin did not come from the sky just as your own Yoruba kings did come from the sky. The Benin's were given birth to Benin. Oh I forget your Yoruba folklore writers arrogantly told you Oranyan 'gave birth' to Oba of Benin?

Hmmm - am sure you Yorubas reality have fallen in love with these funny mythological tales as reality. Unfortunately is a Yoruba tales, folklore, fables, by Yoruba and for Yoruba pride. Is a pure LIE - woven from Ogboni covens to downgrade the great strides of Old Benin Empire.

And by the way could you tell me where your Oduduwa and Oranmiyan came from?

makazona:


You dnt bliv that someone can see beyond ethnic sentiments.thats why u think i shld nt come with the "famous line".

You disrespect people with your choice of word.dont call people's point "crap" and other unfriendly words.Learn to respect people's opinion and intelligently/decorously disprove such.

Hail anybody that is making a good point.keep tribalism aside.it pays not.

Look the guy is not making sense and I question ur intentions for hailing his (I repeat) crap

Disrespect people? Look who's talking...the guy has been insulting over 40million people and displaying his utter ignorance and I shouldn't let him know that he's making a nuisance of himself?

there's nothing wrong with tribalism...bigotry is the problem.
his point wasn't making sense but you wanted to make joy out of his insults and false assertions and hailed him...if u aren't bigot you wouldn't do that and hypocritical come here advising against "disrespect"

makazona:


I was correct about u being subjective.now see ur error
"NO yoruba speaks "odikwa" and "biko" which i proved wrong.i know no one is above mistakes.

so apologise first.

You probably didn't understand wat I was referring to
Lemme rephrase that to better ur understanding

"no Yoruba uses odikwa, biko when speaking Yoruba" I hope I am better understood now?

macof:



Wats the meaning of Oyibo that's all I ask..if Yoruba copied it from Igbos then Igbo should have a etymology of it
And pls don't bring that dumb "onye ibo" thesis

Btw no Yoruba says Biko or Odikwa...stop ur slander

Why don't you provide academic proof of the usage of 'oyingbo' in yoruba land since historical times, rather than running over the place providing nothing to the discourse at hand?

ladionline:
Am I suppose to find ways to make Yoruba inferior to Edo? Did I ever write Yoruba stories robbing or mocking any tribe? Yoruba does not need me to shine, it always shine, it is me that needs Yoruba to shine. I am doing my little to ascribe greatness to my source, I believe I never stopped you from putting up Super Superior Edo Stories? Like others, I will keep finding pleasant stories about Yoruba, to share with Yorubas that has wholesome love for their homeland, regardless of whose horse is gored. I know Oduduwa is 'the ultimate evil' to you, but that's my ancestor. Yours can be the immaculate culture, its not mine: I'm okay with my heritage.

@ ladionline - you have a beautiful piece. And let me assure you, there is no group of people under the sun, who're not proud of their heritage.

However the fulcrum if this whole argument is hinged on You the Yorubas penchant to downgrade the Great Benin cultural heritage and cultures. I know you'vd read my posts; several social uncouth manners and attitude of Yorubas against culture to buttress my points. Why don' t you address those?

For example, why should many of you, on meeting an Edo person, even in public, say, "Edos are Yoruba?" Don't you know this downgrading his/her pride and ancestral cultural values?

Hey ladionline, am not against your Oduduwa folklore because we have similar history in Edo, just as all tribes and ethnic peoples of the earth.

However the main lacuna is that part that claim the first King of Benin is from Oduduwa. On this you'd crossed your bound.

Unfortunately when we Edos also put forth our own version of this mythology (that the first King in Yorubaland was a Benin prince) all hell will let loose...

... Yorubas will start pumping out barrages of anger, insults, name calling, uncouth language, abusive words and the likes.

Why are Yorubas like this? Why must you insist your history is superior to mine, claiming you are right and am wrong?

Let me advice you: Next time you meet an Edo person, respect him/her as a distinct Edo. Don't tell him/her is a Yoruba. And please announce and encourage your tribesmen to desist from this insult.

It is well with you!

ladionline:
Am I suppose to find ways to make Yoruba inferior to Edo? Did I ever write Yoruba stories robbing or mocking any tribe? Yoruba does not need me to shine, it always shine, it is me that needs Yoruba to shine. I am doing my little to ascribe greatness to my source, I believe I never stopped you from putting up Super Superior Edo Stories? Like others, I will keep finding pleasant stories about Yoruba, to share with Yorubas that has wholesome love for their homeland, regardless of whose horse is gored. I know Oduduwa is 'the ultimate evil' to you, but that's my ancestor. Yours can be the immaculate culture, its not mine: I'm okay with my heritage.

@ ladionline - you have a beautiful piece. And let me assure you, there is no group of people under the sun, who're not proud of their heritage.

However the fulcrum if this whole argument is hinged on You the Yorubas penchant to downgrade the Great Benin cultural heritage and cultures. I know you'vd read my posts; several social uncouth manners and attitude of Yorubas against culture to buttress my points. Why don' t you address those?

For example, why should many of you, on meeting an Edo person, even in public, say, "Edos are Yoruba?" Don't you know this downgrading his/her pride and ancestral cultural values?

Hey ladionline, am not against your Oduduwa folklore because we have similar history in Edo, just as all tribes and ethnic peoples of the earth.

However the main lacuna is that part that claim the first King of Benin is from Oduduwa. On this you'd crossed your bound.

Unfortunately when we Edos also put forth our own version of this mythology (that the first King in Yorubaland was a Benin prince) all hell will let loose...

... Yorubas will start pumping out barrages of anger, insults, name calling, uncouth language, abusive words and the likes.

Why are Yorubas like this? Why must you insist your history is superior to mine, claiming you are right and am wrong?

Let me advice you: Next time you meet an Edo person, respect him/her as a distinct Edo. Don't tell him/her is a Yoruba. And please announce and encourage your tribesmen to desist from this insult.

It is well with you

NigerMan1:


Am perturbed how you Yorubas are skipping most of my points and responding to selected points with fables, theories, fallacies and mythologies.

Sorry macof - we are not brothers at all. We never related by blood in anyway. I reject the Yoruba manner of calling me a brother when indirectly he's downgrading my culture. Brotherhood is define by mutual respect which Yoruba lack.

However we are 'brothers' as Africans, just as we are brothers to Igbo, Ghana, Hausa, Ijaw, Tiv, Bantu and all fellow Blacks in Africa and Diaspora.

You wrote: " Yoruba is an ethnic constellation of tribes. so technically Yoruba not only have a larger population, bigger land we also are more influential."

This is the poor Blackman peculiar thinking responsible for our generational backwardness as Black race. So Yoruba population automatically make you more 'influential'?

Can you give me few statistics to back up this claim that you're more influential than Edos in this country?

Unknown to you, politicians use this fallacious pride to control people. The world only bow to strategists and developers - not unproductive population that contribute little or nothing to mankind.

My friend, stop gloating over your so-called population, it means nothing in modern era.

Moreover the history in contention happened when there was no Yoruba - but principally old Oyo Empire Then much later, Ife and old Lagos. The word 'Yoruba' is a modern nomenclature of less than 150 years, spun to bring under one umbrella and spiritually control the ethnic people known as Yorubas today.

About Lagos Monarchy: So you grudgingly admit Oba of Benin did have influence in Old Lagos? But typical of Yoruba 'lies and backstabbing' you quickly brought up side-tracking stories to dilute the truths and its significance.

The reason you Yorubas could NOT deny this amazing historical events was because it was well recorded, documented both in Nigeria and Europe. Plus there are physical remnant such as Obanikoro family, the monarchy descendants, the name EKO, artworks etc

And you wrote: "Very similar to the situation at which Oranmiyan found himself in Bini before Oba Ewedo suppressed the Bini chiefs and defeated Ogiamen"

This is pure Yoruba mythology and folklores. First your Oranyan NEVER existed as human but in Yoruba folktales and Ogbani dialects.

While that of Oba of Benin establishing Lagos monarchy happened in more recent history; well recorded and documented by Europeans. Your own Oranyan "happened" in the 'African dark ages' in fables and tales.

Moreover in those days Yorubas were not smart enough to accomplish such feat in Benin, the reason such tales existed in your folk stories to embellish your superiority rants.

Keep it coming. Oba gha tor kpere! Isee!

@bold...please cite evidence here and lay it bare for everybody to see.

When a lie becomes severally repeated, it sounds like truth to the lying person himself.

bigfrancis21:


Why don't you provide academic proof of the usage of 'oyingbo' in yoruba land since historical times, rather than running over the place providing nothing to the discourse at hand?

dude! Words are passed around before they are written by those with the opportunity..while I have nothing earlier than Olaudah's text, I have given u the etymology of Oyinbo and there are tons of places called named with Oyinbo like Oke Oyinbo and Oyinbo Mefun...this places weren't established in the 20th century

Why not tell me the meaning of Oyibo and how Yoruba copied from Igbos

Again you would tell me how Oye eboe is Oyibo cus honestly I don't understand Olaudah's spellings as he also calls himself Eboe
How reliable is this man's work?

Oh I think it's important I note now before I am misunderstood again
"I don't claim Igbos copied it from Yoruba, I actually think it's from Edo"

macof:


dude! Words are passed around before they are written by those with the opportunity..while I have nothing earlier than Olaudah's text, I have given u the etymology of Oyinbo and there are tons of places called named with Oyinbo like Oke Oyinbo and Oyinbo Mefun...this places weren't established in the 20th century

Why not tell me the meaning of Oyibo and how Yoruba copied from Igbos

Again you would tell me how Oye eboe is Oyibo cus honestly I don't understand Olaudah's spellings as he also calls himself Eboe
How reliable is this man's work?

Oh I think it's important I note now before I am misunderstood again
"I don't claim Igbos copied it from Yoruba, I actually think it's from Edo"

Mr. man, quit the unnecessary ranting and provide academic evidence, Why is that so difficult for you? Abi you no go school?

macof:


dude! Words are passed around before they are written by those with the opportunity..while I have nothing earlier than Olaudah's text, I have given u the etymology of Oyinbo and there are tons of places called named with Oyinbo like Oke Oyinbo and Oyinbo Mefun...this places weren't established in the 20th century

Why not tell me the meaning of Oyibo and how Yoruba copied from Igbos

Again you would tell me how Oye eboe is Oyibo cus honestly I don't understand Olaudah's spellings as he also calls himself Eboe
How reliable is this man's work?

Oh I think it's important I note now before I am misunderstood again
"I don't claim Igbos copied it from Yoruba, I actually think it's from Edo"

I also think it might me fruitful to explore an Edo origin. Do you know of any Edo etymology of 'oyibo' or the related term 'ebo'?

macof:


dude! Words are passed around before they are written by those with the opportunity..while I have nothing earlier than Olaudah's text, I have given u the etymology of Oyinbo and there are tons of places called named with Oyinbo like Oke Oyinbo and Oyinbo Mefun...this places weren't established in the 20th century

Why not tell me the meaning of Oyibo and how Yoruba copied from Igbos

Again you would tell me how Oye eboe is Oyibo cus honestly I don't understand Olaudah's spellings as he also calls himself Eboe
How reliable is this man's work?

Oh I think it's important I note now before I am misunderstood again
"I don't claim Igbos copied it from Yoruba, I actually think it's from Edo"

And I thought you were smart. 'Eboe' was the spelling of 'Igbo' during Olaudah's time and given that Igbo orthography was not in existence during that period, it was only normal that he went by the spelling prevalent at that time.

When Igbos pronounce 'oyibo', the 'i' sound is actually extended and the pronunciation comes out as 'oyiibo'. Now, going by Olaudah's spelling orthography, 'i' sound was spelt as 'e', just as in igbo/eboe, mgbirichi/mbrenche, isseke/essaka etc. From his spelling evidence, Olaudah was referring to 'oyiibo' in his work.

If you want to doubt his work, it is left to you. Your problem with his book is not just doubting his work but you do it for the very fact that he left evidence of the usage of 'oyibo', not 'oyinbo' in Igboland dating to the 18th century - a very fact which you despise. Meanwhile you have utterly failed to provide any evidence whatsoever of 'oyinbo' in South West. And will continue to fail.

Radoillo:


I also think it might me fruitful to explore an Edo origin. Do you know of any Edo etymology of 'oyibo' or the related term 'ebo'?

You are going to a Yoruba man to ask for the etymology of oyibo in Edo??

When there is an Edo man, who has proven himself well-knowledgeable in Edo history, on this thread you could have easily implored his opinion?

What else do you expect from him to answer you other than self-gratifying answers twisted in some way to some yoruba origin?

macof:


dude! Words are passed around before they are written by those with the opportunity..while I have nothing earlier than Olaudah's text, I have given u the etymology of Oyinbo and there are tons of places called named with Oyinbo like Oke Oyinbo and Oyinbo Mefun...this places weren't established in the 20th century

Why not tell me the meaning of Oyibo and how Yoruba copied from Igbos

Again you would tell me how Oye eboe is Oyibo cus honestly I don't understand Olaudah's spellings as he also calls himself Eboe
How reliable is this man's work?

Oh I think it's important I note now before I am misunderstood again
"I don't claim Igbos copied it from Yoruba, I actually think it's from Edo"

@bold...LOL! The lens in your eyes have fallen and you've begun to slowly imbibe it into your consciousness that edo and yoruba are 2 different peoples and will ever be. Thanks to NigerMan1 for unlearning in you the lies and false history you have grown up to believe (edos are yorubas). Take home lesson today: I, macof, a self-acclaimed edo-yoruba 'historian', have learned (sadly as an adult) that edos and yorubas are 2 different peoples.

In your tiwsted mind some days back, edo = yoruba and Igbo copied from edo therefore they copied from yoruba.

bigfrancis21:


You are going to a Yoruba man to ask for the etymology of oyibo in Edo??

When there is an Edo man, who has proven himself well-knowledgeable in Edo history, on this thread you could have easily implored his opinion?

What else do you expect from him to answer you other than self-gratifying answers twisted in some way to some yoruba origin?

The Edo man doesn't seem at all interested in the word and its origin. I asked the one person who suggested that it could be of Edo origin.

Perhaps he has reasons why he thinks it could be of Edo origin. If he does, I want to know them.

Radoillo:


The Edo man doesn't seem at all interested in the word and its origin. I asked the one person who suggested that it could be of Edo origin.

Perhaps he has reasons why he thinks it could be of Edo origin. If he does, I want to know them.

Because he hasn't mentioned anything in particular about it does not mean he isn't interested in the etymology. He might know but might not have mentioned anything about it yet. Did you first ask him and he said he doesn't know before you concluded?

He is only here to clear the misinformation about his people being paraded on this forum.

bigfrancis21:


@bold...LOL! The lens in your eyes have fallen and you've began to slowly imbibe it into your consciousness that edo and yoruba are 2 different peoples and will ever be. Thanks to NigerMan1 for unlearning in you the lies and false history you have grown up to believe. Take home lesson today: you have learned (sadly as an adult) that edos and yorubas are 2 different peoples.

In your tiwsted mind some days back, edo = yoruba and Igbo copied from edo therefore they copied from yoruba.

smh. you didn't address my post but sought to provoke

Anyway I don't consider Yoruba and Edo same people, I consider Yoruba and Edo brothers

Nigerman1 doesn't even know his Edo history, pls am I to take an edo man who doesn't know Oranmiyan seriously?

macof:


smh. you didn't address my post but sought to provoke

Anyway I don't consider Yoruba and Edo same people, I consider Yoruba and Edo brothers

Nigerman1 doesn't even know his Edo history, pls am I to take an edo man who doesn't know Oranmiyan seriously?

Do not be quick to forget that I have argued with you before on this Edo/Yoruba issue back in 2013 on a thread where you were claiming edos as yorubas, and I lectured severally you on the differences between both peoples, starting with the dissimilarity in Edo and Yoruba languages for starters. You were obtrusively recalcitrant and adamant in your false belief that Edos are Yorubas. I would easily pull out your quotes the next minute if you want me to.

People like NigerMan1 are the reason truth about the Edo distinction from Yoruba will continue to be known and passed down to generations.

I noticed you 'tactically' dodged some of the questions he posed to you. Given that you are 'all-knowing' and your 'knowledge' is final, why don't you step up and answer his questions? Or why is that difficult for you?

bigfrancis21:


And I thought you were smart. 'Eboe' was the spelling of 'Igbo' during Olaudah's time and given that Igbo orthography was not in existence during that period, it was only normal that he went by the spelling prevalent at that time.

When Igbos pronounce 'oyibo', the 'i' sound is actually extended and the pronunciation comes out as 'oyiibo'. Now, going by Olaudah's spelling orthography, 'i' sound was spelt as 'e', just as in igbo/eboe, mgbirichi/mbrenche, isseke/essaka etc. From his spelling evidence, Olaudah was referring to 'oyibo' in his work.

If you want to doubt his work, it is left to you. Your problem with his book is not just doubting his work but you do it for the very fact that he left evidence of the usage of 'oyibo', not 'oyinbo' in Igboland dating to the 18th century - a very fact which you despise. Meanwhile you have utterly failed to provide any evidence whatsoever of 'oyinbo' in South West. And will continue to fail.

Ok. Lets examine this
Oye Eboe which according to u Eboe the spelling for "Igbo" pronounced "ibo" by Europeans

You once said this Oyibo could be O yi ibo = looks like Igbo
Why would Igbos of that time excuse themselves from using "Igbo"...to produce something like Oyigbo and prefer Ibo which many didn't make sense of?? The European influence at that time in Olaudah's village wasn't even that significant to warrant such a thing

Ur thesis doesn't add up