bigfrancis: If you want to doubt his work, it is left to
you. Your problem with his book is not just
doubting his work but you do it for the
very fact that he left evidence of the
usage of 'oyibo', not 'oyinbo' in Igboland
dating to the 18th century - a very fact which you despise. Meanwhile you have
utterly failed to provide any evidence
whatsoever of 'oyinbo' in South West. And
will continue to fail.

bigfrancis21:


You are going to a Yoruba man to ask for the etymology of oyibo in Edo??

When there is an Edo man, who has proven himself well-knowledgeable in Edo history, on this thread you could have easily implored his opinion?

What else do you expect from him to answer you other than self-gratifying answers twisted in some way to some yoruba origin?

bigfrancis21:


Keep it coming. Oba gha tor kpere! Isee!

@bold...please cite evidence here and lay it bare for everybody to see.

When a lie becomes severally repeated, it sounds like truth to the lying person himself.

macof:


Is that how much you think a Yoruba a beast? Na wa o

Soon I would be accused of claiming the British empire

ladionline:
What is the meaning of the word 'Oyiibo' which is as old as Olaudah Equano in Igbo language? Is Impounderable?

Nigerman1: Let me advice you: Next time you meet an
Edo person, respect him/her as a distinct
Edo. Don't tell him/her is a Yoruba. And
please announce and encourage your
tribesmen to desist from this insult. It is well with you

macof:


smh. you didn't address my post but sought to provoke

Anyway I don't consider Yoruba and Edo same people, I consider Yoruba and Edo brothers

Nigerman1 doesn't even know his Edo history, pls am I to take an edo man who doesn't know Oranmiyan seriously?

Radoillo:


I also think it might me fruitful to explore an Edo origin. Do you know of any Edo etymology of 'oyibo' or the related term 'ebo'?

NigerMan1:


@ macof - Edos and Yorubas are NOT brothers. We share no blood relation at all. However if you have evidence to the contrary please say it now so I can evaluate it.

However as members of the black race, we are brothers. Just as we are brothers to Igbo, Ijaw, Ghanaian, Fulani, Tiv etc

Again you wrote: " Nigerman1 doesn't even know his Edo history, pls am I to take an edo man who doesn't know Oranmiyan seriously?"

I know Oranyan story very well my dear macof. According to Yoruba folklore and tales, Oranyan founded or he/his son was first king of Benin. Is this not what you mean?

Bro you don't have to establish this fable, because its already in public domain in Yorubaland. And as a Yoruba person I don't expect you to believe otherwise because you'd been fed from the cradle with this fable.

But I plead with you to accept the real truth, though it may hurt: ORANYAN (and Oduduwa) were NOT human beings, but demon gods of the Yoruba in ancient times.

Those stories are called MYTHOLOGIES in advanced human ancient histories.

NOTE: Do you know they still worship Oduduwa with human lives up till today?

NigerMan1:


@ bigfrancis21 - first see the Lagos State official website: http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lagos

There are some argument here: https://www.nairaland.com/243846/lagos-eko-owns-it

NOTE: Over the years some Yoruba tampered with aspect of this historical events to dilute it. But they could NOT erase or deny it because it was well recorded and have many human and material evidences till today.

For example on the Lagos official site, they wrote, "... Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp", by its Bini
conquerors."

Now my friend can you see a subtle way of giving two opinions? Do you know why the Yorubas added this phrase, "either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm"? To simply create opportunity for their people to argue it away and choose or claim the first.

But truth EKO was 100% Benin name, given to Lagos by the Benin. I fear Yoruba people ooo.

But you'll notice they are unable to deny Lagos conquest and establishment of its Monarchy by the Great Benin Kings. They are unable to deny human and material evidences such as the Obanikoro family etc

They are not happy those events are more modern, well recorded and documented internationally. So they allow it be.

However you will NEVER hear Yorubas acknowledge these events; they will NEVER celebrate it. They NEVER mention this whenever they talk about Benin history except mouthing old fables and mythological folklore of Oduduwa weaved together to promote ego.

macof:


it's a whole bunch of things that I took into consideration

1. "ebo" is popular among Edos for European. “Oba Yan Oto Se
Evbo Ebo” Oba owns the land up till the European's country
2. Urhobo use only Oyibo unlike Igbo that have multiple terms for light skinned person

Urhobo are known to have migrated from Edo and among the first to have contact with the Europeans.. the term "Oyibo" is most likely linked to where they are coming from
3. according to many things I have observed "Oyibo" is only popular with western Igbos once under Benin empire
4. Bigfrancis taught me a little Igbo "o yi ibo" looks like Ibo...could actually be "o yi ebo" - he looks like the Europeans

macof:


it's a whole bunch of things that I took into consideration

1. "ebo" is popular among Edos for European. “Oba Yan Oto Se
Evbo Ebo” Oba owns the land up till the European's country
2. Urhobo use only Oyibo unlike Igbo that have multiple terms for light skinned person

Urhobo are known to have migrated from Edo and among the first to have contact with the Europeans.. the term "Oyibo" is most likely linked to where they are coming from
3. according to many things I have observed "Oyibo" is only popular with western Igbos once under Benin empire
4. Bigfrancis taught me a little Igbo "o yi ibo" looks like Ibo...could actually be "o yi ebo" - he looks like the Europeans

macof:


Ok. Lets examine this
Oye Eboe which according to u Eboe the spelling for "Igbo" pronounced "ibo" by Europeans

You once said this Oyibo could be O yi ibo = looks like Igbo
Why would Igbos of that time excuse themselves from using "Igbo"...to produce something like Oyigbo and prefer Ibo which many didn't make sense of?? The European influence at that time in Olaudah's village wasn't even that significant to warrant such a thing

Ur thesis doesn't add up

bigfrancis21:


Do not be quick to forget that I have argued with you before on this Edo/Yoruba issue back in 2013 on a thread where you were claiming edos as yorubas, and I lectured severally you on the differences between both peoples, starting with the dissimilarity in Edo and Yoruba languages for starters. You were obtrusively recalcitrant and adamant in your false belief that Edos are Yorubas. I would easily pull out your quotes the next minute if you want me to.

People like NigerMan1 are the reason truth about the Edo distinction from Yoruba will continue to be known and passed down to generations.

I noticed you 'tactically' dodged some of the questions he posed to you. Given that you are 'all-knowing' and your 'knowledge' is final, why don't you step up and answer his questions? Or why is that difficult for you?

bigfrancis21:


LOL! Don't tell me you took that seriously. Dude, you first started the game of breaking down words into syllables to 'attach' meaning to it, I was simply playing to the tune which you, the piper, called.

macof:

I told u then that I have Edo in laws and friends, I could include Edo folks am nt so familiar with that consider Edo and Yoruba brothers as well
In the words of a friend of mine from my church going days "Yoruba and Edo are the same, sons of the same father"

I brought up a point that the historical ties are undeniable and the problem is that Edo cannot be called Yoruba but we are members of a larger group that doesn't have a name, so I jokingly named it “oduduwa"...or did I say anything other than this?

Smh if u are truthful or not ignorant you would be silent on nigerman's matter cus it's awfully shameful that he claims to be Edo and doesn't know Oranmiyan, Oba Ewedo, Ogiamen and the transition of Edionwere chiefs to Uzama now subjects of the Oba which I mentioned to him

Anyway I won't even comment on Edo history as it offends some emotional people, but know that it's impossible to speak history of Edo, or history of Yoruba without bringing the two together at some point

I ignored wat I felt as complete crap

macof:


In other words u lied. a Christian lying.
Carry on...

then we take it.Oyibo has no root word in Igbo...bad phase for ur "Yoruba copied from Igbos" thesis

bigfrancis21:


I was following your argument and his silently. No, you didn't ignore his post because you felt it was crap. He stood up squarely to your misinformation and at some point you gave up because you hadn't answers anymore to give him and you could no longer stand up to him.

And I don't remember you telling me of any Edo in laws whatsoever but what I do remember clearly is your adamant belief to unlearn the fact that Edos are not Yorubas, a belief which you reiterated on this thread and on the other thread (Oyibo or Oyinbo which one is correct) few days ago (2015), claiming that Edos are Yorubas and Igbo copied from Edos, thus copying from Yorubas.

NigerMan1:


@ bigfrancis21 - first see the Lagos State official website: http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lagos

There are some argument here: https://www.nairaland.com/243846/lagos-eko-owns-it

NOTE: Over the years some Yoruba tampered with aspect of this historical events to dilute it. But they could NOT erase or deny it because it was well recorded and have many human and material evidences till today.

For example on the Lagos official site, they wrote, "... Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp", by its Bini
conquerors."

Now my friend can you see a subtle way of giving two opinions? Do you know why the Yorubas added this phrase, "either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm"? To simply create opportunity for their people to argue it away and choose or claim the first.

But truth EKO was 100% Benin name, given to Lagos by the Benin. I fear Yoruba people ooo.

But you'll notice they are unable to deny Lagos conquest and establishment of its Monarchy by the Great Benin Kings. They are unable to deny human and material evidences such as the Obanikoro family etc

They are not happy those events are more modern, well recorded and documented internationally. So they allow it be.

However you will NEVER hear Yorubas acknowledge these events; they will NEVER celebrate it. They NEVER mention this whenever they talk about Benin history except mouthing old fables and mythological folklore of Oduduwa weaved together to promote ego.

bigfrancis21:


No. Unfortunately, that is the impression that you have been creating for yourself on this forum. Sorry.

NigerMan1:


@ macof - Edos and Yorubas are NOT brothers. We share no blood relation at all. However if you have evidence to the contrary please say it now so I can evaluate it.

However as members of the black race, we are brothers. Just as we are brothers to Igbo, Ijaw, Ghanaian, Fulani, Tiv etc

Again you wrote: " Nigerman1 doesn't even know his Edo history, pls am I to take an edo man who doesn't know Oranmiyan seriously?"

I know Oranyan story very well my dear macof. According to Yoruba folklore and tales, Oranyan founded or he/his son was first king of Benin. Is this not what you mean?

Bro you don't have to establish this fable, because its already in public domain in Yorubaland. And as a Yoruba person I don't expect you to believe otherwise because you'd been fed from the cradle with this fable.

But I plead with you to accept the real truth, though it may hurt: ORANYAN (and Oduduwa) were NOT human beings, but demon gods of the Yoruba in ancient times.

Those stories are called MYTHOLOGIES in advanced human ancient histories.

NOTE: Do you know they still worship Oduduwa with human lives up till today?

macof:


Do u want us to go down the road of the history of Lagos?

You keep talking about Lagos history but take offence when anybody talks about Bini history. Why? wat do u call that? Hypocrisy

Are u so interested in Lagos? U mind opening a thread let's discuss Oba Ado and his relationship with the Idejo chiefs?

Then u can also tell us how Oba of Benin lineage started without Oranmiyan

macof:


That I am a beast? Because I am proudly Yoruba, I have become a beast?

Wow! Lovely compliment

macof:


Is that how much you think a Yoruba a beast? Na wa o

Soon I would be accused of claiming the British empire

ladionline:
He doesnt want anyone make incursion thru Oranmiyan to Bini history, but he wants to make incursion on Yoruba thru Obanikoro/Idumota. What about Ebute Ero, Oko Awo, Enu Owa, Oke Arin, Apongbon, Onala, Obalende? Why can't they be Edo words?

bigfrancis21:


You mean town names that might have been named only recently long after Bini establishment of Lagos? How does that prove authenticity of ownership of the land?

bigfrancis21:


If it excites you to believe 'oyibo' is derived from 'ebo' in Bini and therefore the Edos are the originator of the word 'oyibo'/'oyinbo', would it please you to accept that Yorubas borrowed the word from Edos?

bigfrancis21:


Dude, I never called you a beast. You called yourself a beast.

What else do you expect from him to
answer you other than self-gratifying
answers twisted in some way to some
yoruba origin?

bigfrancis21:


It is just like asking me to break down the word, 'biko' in Igbo language when it is already a word on its own that means 'please', or break down 'chair' in English language into 'cha + ir' syllables. Note that, the Urhobo also use 'biko' for please.

Dude or Madam, it is a word on its own in Igbo that simply means 'light skinned person', whether light-skinned Igbo or European.

Don't get me wrong. It has not been established who copied the word from each other. The fact that the word is used amongst the Igbo, Edos and Yorubas points to a common ancestral origin for these ethnic groups. However, the massive use of 'oyibo' all over southern Nigeria (Igbo, Igala, Edo, Urhobo, etc) and 'oyinbo' exclusively amongst the Yorubas shows that 'oyibo' might be the original word from the common ancestor, with Yorubas adding the 'n' nasal sound in line with its language nasal feature. Yorubas attaching the 'honey + peel' meaning to 'oyinbo', which happens to be coincidence, by the way, and breaking it into smaller syllables is a ploy against the obvious. Don't forget Yoruba is a nasal language. Below is a classic example of an original Igbo word, 'nwa nti nti' (which means 'very small' in Igbo) corrupted to 'wan tin tin' (adding of the 'n' sound as usual) by Yorubas:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QPAx8UP2kU

In 2 generations to come, Yorubas growing up to speak 'wan tin tin' might want claim it to be Yoruba and Igbos copying it from Yorubas. History repeating itself.

Now, academic proof so far has shown the usage of 'oyibo' in Igboland to as far back as the 18th century i.e 300 years ago. This is the 21st century (to remind those who have lost track of time). Academic proof of the Igbo dispenses any false claims of 'From Yoruba' adoption of the word. If for anything, it proves the Igbo have been using 'oyibo' for at least 300 years back in time. Need I remind you that the Nri civilization (9AD) is, at least, 200 years older than the earliest Yoruba civilization -Ife, and 400 years older than the Oyo civilization (14AD).

Radoillo:


The use of Oyibo actually extends farther east than the areas formerly under some form of Bini hegemony. And members of my grandmother's and great grandmother's generations had such names as Egbeoyibo, Okwuoyibo, or just plain Oyibo.

However (and here I may differ from my Igbo brothers) I really suspect that the word did not originate with Igbo-speakers. I suspect it originated with those groups who have had a far longer history of contact with Europeans.

Etymological investigations taking note of languages spoken along the coast and in such kingdoms as Benin may ultimately help answer the question.

bigfrancis21:


I was following your argument and his silently. No, you didn't ignore his post because you felt it was crap. He stood up squarely to your misinformation and at some point you gave up because you hadn't answers anymore to give him and you could no longer stand up to him.

And I don't remember you telling me of any Edo in laws whatsoever but what I do remember clearly is your adamant belief to unlearn the fact that Edos are not Yorubas, a belief which you reiterated on this thread and on the other thread (Oyibo or Oyinbo which one is correct) few days ago (2015), claiming that Edos are Yorubas and Igbo copied from Edos, thus copying from Yorubas.

Aigbofa:


Benin monarchy is of Yoruba lineage. Even if a Benin Oba established Eko, it is still a Yoruba establishing a Yoruba town.