macof:


doesn't remotely justify this


As I would keep saying, I find enough pride in my ancestry and ethnicity that even if I was born In Koma village I would still be proud of My naked grandfather...that's me, so while Negros out there claim Europe, Berbers, Native Americans, Israel as their legacy

I look to Yoruba...nobody can take that away from me if I safe guard it so I don't need to claim what isn't Yoruba especially when it obviously is not
So ur slander against me, that I want to claim Ajami, I want to claim Edo, soon I want to claim China

Dude, you are only 'knowledgeable' in yoruba mythology and it is common sense that he approaches an edo man if he wants to understand anything in the bini language. You can barely string together a correct sentence or 2 in bini langugage. Quit crying like a baby and own up to that fact.

Please why did you bring up the issue of ajami when you have nothing to prove with it? Or to 'show' me that ancient oyo people were 'writing' books or what?

When Ajami isn't even Yoruba to start with.

bigfrancis21:


You claimed before that Yorubas don't use Igbo words at all. Proof of Davido using 'biko' and Oyikasola using 'nwa nti nti' was thrown at you and you turn around to claim it is 'pidgin' english.

Oh, you're quick to remember it is pidgin but would want to have us believe Igbos borrowed 'oya', 'nko' when they only use it in Pidgin as well. What wanton hypocrisy.

Pls show me where I said Igbos borrowed Oya, nko

Pls quote that post

macof:



smh. There twist as u like. even the prince is a demon and Yoruba agent by claiming Ife as the final resting place of former Benin monarchs...nt monarch

Reason I didn't bother to reply him.

macof:


Pls show me where I said Igbos borrowed Oya, nko

Pls quote that post

Please look up the meaning of 'you would want to have us believe...'

Abi you no go school.

I selectively chose that sentence knowing you would want to recoil yourself.

And if you are unable to provide the meaning of that sentence (failure as usual), I will proudly school and lecture you on the meaning of that sentence.

Meanwhile, I'm waiting.

bigfrancis21:

Laughing at ur despicable character and joy in slander

I really hope u are different in ur attitude outside this forum...take advice, such people have no dignity spreading clear lies and feeling good about it

Anyway wats my business...carry on

Aigbofa:


Reason I didn't bother to reply him.

Or rather, your failure to answer my simple question after having realized your folly. Smh

Please, are all Bini Obas buried in Ife? Why is this question hard to answer?

Nna eh.

Abi na JAMB question be dis?

macof:


Laughing at ur despicable character and joy in slander

I really hope u are different in ur attitude outside this forum...take advice, such people have no dignity spreading clear lies and feeling good about it

Anyway wats my business...carry on

You're obviously trying hard to taint my character and paint yourself as 'angel' in front of aigbofa just to get him on your side. Obviously, you can't stand alone. Such childish behaviour.

bigfrancis21:



Dude, since you brought up the issue of Ajami script, please proceed to provide evidence of 'oyinbo' in Ajami script. Geez. Simple homework. Why is this so difficult for you?

am nt interested in it...but surely u are..looking for academic proof and all that

First you'll need to get a person who understands Arabic alphabets and proceed to Iku Baba Yeye's palace

macof:


am nt interested in it...but surely u are..looking for academic proof and all that

First you'll need to get a person who understands Arabic alphabets and proceed to Iku Baba Yeye's palace

Oh please. I am not the least interested in your ancient ajami whatsoever. I lost interest long ago when I discovered it is not a Yoruba invention to start with.

bigfrancis21:


You're obviously trying hard to taint my character and paint yourself as 'angel' in front of aigbofa just to get him on your side. Obviously, you can't stand alone. Such childish behaviour.

Dude it's obvious.. I jst don't really like ignoring people unless am sure that person is lost for now

However ur case is a case of slander, u know u are lying but that's where ur joy comes...I can't deprive a man of his joy

childish? See who's talking, you've been licking butt for Nigerman and now am childish for stating the obvious

bigfrancis21:


Oh please. I am not the least interested in your ancient ajami whatsoever. I lost interest long ago when I discovered it is not a Yoruba invention to start with.

So you aren't looking for academic proof? U jst want to keep making noise

Ok I forgot, u only accept what others have digged up and put on the internet

Aigbofa:


Obas were not just anybody even in ancient times. You obviously understand the symbolism of bringing their heads back to Ife even if you wouldn't admit it.

Listen, NigerMan1 made an interesting observation that 'obas' were widely unknown in Yorubaland until after the first installation of oba of lagos by the Oba of Bini. Hitherto, yoruba monarchs were known by their titles such as 'ooni of ijebu', or 'alake of ibadan', or 'alafin of egbaland'. Clear evidence 'oba' in the sense of 'king' isn't even Yoruba to start with.

macof:


So you aren't looking for academic proof? U jst want to keep making noise

Ok I forgot, u only accept what others have digged dug up and put on the internet

I knew it! This local historian didn't go to school. Explains why simple academic citation has proven so hard for him.

bigfrancis21:


Please answer my question, are all Bini Obas buried in Ife? Yes or No?

How many Bini Obas have been buried in Ife? Honestly I don't know. Let me know.

Why not ask The internet? Surely you would get the answer..don't u think?

macof:


Dude it's obvious.. I jst don't really like ignoring people unless am sure that person is lost for now

However ur case is a case of slander, u know u are lying but that's where ur joy comes...I can't deprive a man of his joy

childish? See who's talking, you've been licking butt for Nigerman and now am childish for stating the obvious

Stop trying to derail the thread. You are beginning to get too emotional for a man.

Now, please what is the use of bringing up ajami script when you have nothing to prove with it?

bigfrancis21:


I knew it! This local historian didn't go to school. Explains why simple academic citation has proven so hard for him.

Mr. English is foreign...I rather I am corrected in African languages

bigfrancis21:


Or rather, your failure to answer my simple question after having realized your folly. Smh

Please, are all Bini Obas buried in Ife? Why is this question hard to answer?

Nna eh.

Abi na JAMB question be dis?

How many should have been buried there before you would acknowledge there's a link between Benin and Ife?

"Heads of Former Benin Monarchs Were Actually Buried in Ile- Ife, Says Prince Isede"

bigfrancis21:


Stop trying to derail the thread. You are beginning to take the issue too personal.

Now, please what is the use of bringing up ajami script when you have nothing to prove with it?

You lie against me and don't want me to talk..chio...see wahala

I should take a bullet for nothing?

You still have not proved all ur accusations against me

macof:


Why not ask The internet? Surely you would get the answer..don't u think?

It is a known fact that the Obas of Lagos were buried in Bini land until Oba Akitoye when Lagos was ceded to the British.

bigfrancis21:


It is a known fact that the Obas of Lagos were buried in Bini land until Oba Akitoye when Lagos was ceded to the British.

It is a known fact that the heads of Benin Obas were buried in Ife.

Aigbofa:


How many should have been buried there before you would acknowledge there's a link between Benin and Ife?

"Heads of Former Benin Monarchs Were Actually Buried in Ile- Ife, Says Prince Isede"

Dude, where is the link to your quote? Moreover, I need more proof than a mere quote.

By the way, I never denied the link between Bini and Ife. However, I only doubt the fable that the Bini monarchy was founded by Ife. It lacks credibility. NigerMan1 is well-knowlegeable in this part of history and I leave it to him to handle it.

bigfrancis21:


Listen, NigerMan1 made an interesting observation that 'obas' were widely unknown in Yorubaland until after the first installation of oba of lagos by the Oba of Bini. Hitherto, yoruba monarchs were known by their titles such as 'ooni of ijebu', or 'alake of ibadan', or 'alafin of egbaland'. Clear evidence 'oba' in the sense of 'king' isn't even Yoruba to start with.

And in ur ignorance you fail to realize that jst like Yoruba obas, Benin monarch has a styled title - omo n'oba n'edo ask ur Lord and master Nigerman if I am correct, also ask him the meaning


alake of Ibadan, Alaafin of egbaland, ooni of ijebu this guy is going crazy

bigfrancis21:


Dude, where is the link to your quote? Moreover, I need more proof than a mere quote.

By the way, I never denied the link between Bini and Ife. However, I only doubt the fable that the Bini monarchy was founded by Ife. It lacks credibility. NigerMan1 is well-knowlegeable in this part of history and I leave it to him to handle it.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200405100888.html

Here is the link. I don't think you would know more than a Benin prince.

macof:


You lie against me and don't want me to talk..chio...see wahala

I should take a bullet for nothing?

You still have not proved all ur accusations against me

Love wantintin by another Yoruba artist, Lara George:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCThGJVGzCQ

Another one by a Yoruba artist, Omotayo:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb_svj4tLQ8

Have a nice time dealing with this very bare fact.

Aigbofa:


http://allafrica.com/stories/200405100888.html

Here is the link. I don't think you would know more than a Benin prince.

LOL! Provide link to the 'quote' you provided! It's that simple!

bigfrancis21:


LOL! Provide link to the 'quote' you provided! It's that simple!

I did. what device are you using?

bigfrancis21:


It is a known fact that the Obas of Lagos were buried in Bini land until Oba Akitoye when Lagos was ceded to the British.

And so? Is this wat I asked u to check on the internet? Try checking "oba of Benin buried in Ife" via google

macof:


And in ur ignorance you fail to realize that jst like Yoruba obas, Benin monarch has a styled title - omo n'oba n'edo ask ur Lord and master Nigerman if I am correct, also ask him the meaning


alake of Ibadan, Alaafin of egbaland, ooni of ijebu this guy is going crazy

Those were examples!

Prove that 'omo' in 'OMO N'OBA N'EDO' is from Yoruba. That doesn't make his title Yoruba. Definitely, 'oba' isn't Yoruba.

I see, you forgot the 'uku' part which is similar to 'ukwu' in Igbo that means 'great' ie Igbo Ukwu.

bigfrancis21:


And you have utterly failed to provide evidence of 'oyinbo' in Ajami script equally.

Because I don't have the interest. I don't need to I already know my language well enough

But u certainly will like to get to find out so I brought ajami to ur notice...a pity u do internet work..I doubt there's anything on ajami on any website

bigfrancis21:


Those were examples!

Prove that 'omo' in 'OMO N'OBA N'EDO' is from Yoruba. That doesn't make his title Yoruba. Definitely, 'oba' isn't Yoruba.

I see, you forgot the 'uku' part which is similar to 'ukwu' in Igbo that means 'great' ie Igbo Ukwu.

Where did I say the title is Yoruba?

Anyway suit urself...my last comment to u.

Since u are so block headed and blind to see the obvious. it's common with people who have unwarranted hatred for other people

Aigbofa:


I did. what device are you using?

By Prince Akenzua himself:

We know Benin history, don’t write it for us - Prince Akenzua

IN recent times, issues on Yoruba-Benin historical relationship have been nothing but hot and characteristically, disputatious. Controversy seems to trail every account. But no side of the debate would bulge. Prince Edun Akenzua, one of the sons of the late Oba Akenzua of Benin says the main reason for the mistrust by the two ethnic groups is because the Yoruba and Benin approach history from differing perspectives.

According to Prince Akenzua who spoke in an exclusive interview with the Nigerian Compass, in Benin City, Edo state recently, the misunderstanding is like two people describing one thing they both saw but from different view angles. Akenzua, who is the sixth son of the late Omo n’ Oba n’ Edo Uku Akpolokpolo, Akenzua II of Benin explained that why the difference persists is because one appraises history from the standpoint of mythology while the other take the reality option.

Refering to the issue of key figure, Oduduwa or Ekaladerhan in the history of the two races, the royal prince said: “The Benin people know the history of the Ekaladerhan which the Yoruba people do not know... Suddenly they found somebody in their place. They began to see him as god that descended from the sky. They named Oduduwa. And that was the point they started relating with him. But we in Benin know him more than that. We know about his birth; about when he was to be executed and what happened and about his past, generally. The Yoruba did not know that. So when the Yoruba begins to tell the story of Ekaladerhan or Oduduwa, depending on the one they choose to call him, that is just simply from their point of contact with him. But that is not the truth. “

Citing recent newspaper publications on Yoruba-Benin relationship, the Edo Kingdom prince revealed that he was shocked over the hot comments on History of Benin, a recent publication by his elder brother, the current Oba of Benin. According to him, he will, in due time, comment on what the erudite historian, Prof. Joseph. Ade-Ajayi wrote.

He claimed that among other commentators, Ade-Ajayi in his article criticised the Oba of Benin for not being a trained historian or adopting enough empirical evidences. But noted that Ade-Ajayi “who claims to be a trained historians has always believed in Youba version of creation” that cannot be proved.

He said that the version of the narative which Ade-Ajayi projects stated that Oduduwa came from heaven with 300 deities.
Akenzua’s observation: “First, I thought that this was funny for reading a professional historian like Ade-Ajayi who would accuse the Oba of Benin of making statements without supporting such statements with documents or empirical evidence, and reasoning that he endorses the Yoruba myths of how Oduduwa dropped from heaven with so many gods is curious. Ajayi did not tell us or other Nigerian the documents that Ooni of Ife has provided to support that assertion. So, I thought that was curious for a professor of history.

“But my worry is that Ajayi who is supposed to display that same academic and empirical prowess and all of that, decides to keep quite anytime the Ooni makes such statements. I am surprised that he is accusing one person for failing to produce evidence to prove his case while supporting another person who made the same mistake – perhaps, in even more bizarre manner.

“You see, in this paper, (raises a copy of Vanguard Newspaper with a pull-out publication on Ooni’s 80th birthday), the interview here was conducted with the Ooni and it is elaborate. For me, what he said is quite interesting. One of the things the Ooni said in this interview was that Olodumare, God Almighty created heaven and earth and in doing so appointed Orunmila to continue with the creation.

“According to him, Orunmila was one who liked palm wine. So, he took one cup and became drunk. And because of his drunkenness, he created the imperfect human being. God now got angry and put him aside and appointed Oduduwa to come around and continue the creation. These are the kind of myth that they want people to believe as fact. We want them to understand that this is quite different from what the Benin is saying. What I am saying is that we should not join myth with common historical fact which happened recently. No sensible person will believe such a thing.
“Well it was very interesting reading it. But to me, it is just a part of Yoruba mythology. Every nation has its own mythology. Therefore I ask: So, when it is an issue of Yoruba mythology according to Orunmila and all that, nobody contests anything with them?

“The Benin also have their own mythology. If you go through the Benin mythology, you will discover why the Benis believed that the Oba owns the land up till white people’s land. But what I also found strange in this last interview by the Ooni is that he gave Orunmila and Oduduwa the same assignment of creating the universe. And I think that was ridiculous.

“Take the newspaper and go through it (he throws it), you will find out that it is full of contradiction. Let me tell you a fact. In 1982, when the Oba of Benin paid an official visit to Ife. A speech of welcome presented by Ooni to the Oba was at that time prepared for the Ooni by Prof. (Sabiru) Biobaku, and I think that the man or people who know this are still alive. He was a former Vice-Chancellor of University of Lagos and a professor of History (like Ade-Ajayi). Part of the speech read: “We welcome Your Royal Highness most heartily back to Ile-Ife, the cradle of our common culture, the origin of your dynasty and ours. Today is really a very good day for us in us and its environs because since you left in 891 AD, we have come to know that your dynasty has performed wonderfully well. I hope that they know what that means because Biaboku is not just an ordinary historian but one of the best Yoruba historians. The records are there for any person who cares to go through instead of shouting and calling others names,” he said

Asked if he read Biobaku’s lines to mean an underscoring that Oduduwa was the Benin prince known as Ekaladerhan, Akenzua said yes. He added that there is an affinity between the royal family in Benin and the one in Oyo kingdom. According to him, the affinity is closer in the sense that Oranmiyan who came to Benin, to give birth to Eweka I, was the one who left Benin and returned to Ife. But by the time he got to Ife, his father Oduduwa or Ekaladerhan may have died.

“It is a long story, but we believe that the Alafin (of Oyo) and his people are our brothers from the same Oranmiyan. And it was not a surprise that in history, you can only talk about Benin empire and Oyo empire. There is nothing like Ife empire,” he said.

Throwing more light, Akenzua said: “I also read in that interview by the Ooni that the Oba of Benin used to be buried in Ife. One will ask: Where do they get all that information? I was surprised when I heard that story in Benin here. The truth of it is that if there is anything out of it, it will be in difference to Ife, which was formally known as Uhe, where Ekaladerhan had lived and Ekaladerhan’s son who became the Oba here (Benin). It was only possible that they may like their body being interred in Uhe or Ife or wherever. But if the Ooni of Ife made reference to it, it does not prove anything. To us it does not prove that Benin is Yoruba or that Yoruba is Benin.”

On the story that the Benin people went to Ife to ask for a king, Akenzua asked, “How can a group of people you do not know before just come to you and demand for a king and you will just give your eldest son to them – to go to the land you don’t know to be their king? Simple reasoning will tell you that it is not true. So when they say that Oramiyan’s son was the first Ooni of Ife, I always ask them: Which one of them?”
Akenzua further dismissed the claim that modern Benin is trying to rewrite history. Describing the allegation as funny, he went on to say: “Tell them that they should stop mixing myth with reality. Benin also have their myth of creation. But when we talk about Ekaladerhan, we are not talking myth. We are talking about something that actually happened. As you will see in this book (raises a book entitled, Ekaladerhan), up to today there are stories and songs done in honour of Ekaladerhan here in Benin. There are villages named after him where he was to be killed. That village is still there for people to see.”

Following the reference to his generation of the Benin royal family court seeking to rewrite history, Akenzua, a London-trained linguist, psychologist and journalist, laughed. He alleged that the Ooni of Ife was quoted in an interview as saying that the present Oba of Benin holds an incorrect position in the tale of the Yoruba-Benin history while his predecessor, the late Oba Akenzua II presented a differing, correct account which the current generation is trying to put aside. The prince said that is not true. “For me, since he did not say the version of the account that is correct and the one that is not, we will not be too forward. But one would have expected that in discussing a situation like this, that would have been an appropriate time for him to come out with what he said Oba Akenzua said and the other statements that is not correct so that people can know which one is the truth. But according to this newspaper, Oba Akenzua made that statement when he was going to commission WADECO, a car company probably owned by the Ooni in Ife. My father was very happy that a new company is coming to Benin. It is very unlikely that my father will take that occasion and be talking about history of Yoruba and Benin. I have the privilege of being a private secretary to my father. I am aware that all the speeches he made everywhere, the records are available. So we are waiting. Whenever the Ooni publishes what my father said at a time, we will be able to relate it to what we have here. But until that is done, that statement by the Ooni will be looked into.”

Adding his view, chief priest of Benin kingdom, Chief Nosa Isekhure, said the Benin people are dignified people who will not go on wasting their time on things that will not profit them. He explained that what the Benin believed as to be the truth has been documented by the current Oba in his book. He expressed worry over the scathing comments of some people after the revered Oba released his book. He informed that the Benin people no longer wish to be drawn into the historical origin argument as that offers no profit to anyone. But he advised historians, journalists and researchers to dig into the matter with clear mind and scholarly quest, adding that the truth is there for any person who cares to know.
“We know our history and there is no amount of intimidation that will change that,” Isekhure emphasised.

http://www.edoworld.net/We_know_Benin_history_dont_write_it_for_us_Prince_Akenzua.html

macof:


Where did I say the title is Yoruba?

Anyway suit urself...my last comment to u.

Since u are so block headed and blind to see the obvious. it's common with people who have unwarranted hatred for other people

I never said you did, I only asked you to prove it is.

The heat has become too much, chickening out as usual.