jes7:


You sound funny and illogical. Are you saying anything you can't see does not exist?
If God truly exist, does the fact that you can't see him make him non existent?

I'm following your logic here.....you implied that if we can't see who gave birth to Bill gates "does that mean he doesn't exist"...

ofwhich I replied, we can see Bill gates, can we see "god"?

Nicklaus:
haha ! Talk is cheap on NL. I can as well say I m the 15th generation of king solomon if you could be doing charity works, afterall we owe each other no explanation and since an act of charity is now simplicity perhaps you can as well term atheism to be a type religion . And I see you are the cause of your misguided life. Reading from your fellow grand atheist and you want me to succumb to that Sorry to disappoint you buddy. The bible apart it's common sense to believe in a supernatural force behind the existence of all things. And if I m to delude myself into believing in God, that's exactly what I ll do. I would rather be a jew.

Explain to me the bolded and where I ever implied such...
And you've established that you're ready to resort to insults to deviate scrutiny of your mythology..

Can everyone here see a perfect example of a theist willing to do just about anything(including lying) just to spread the belief?

I think everyone have seen that christians(atleast the gnostic ones) are willing to lie to defend their faith...

freecocoa:
How people can take their hard earned money to go and give someone to pray for them to earn more money, beats me.

How can "God" who has all the money in the world, need money from me, before he can give me more money? What does he need my money for biko?

The church pays workers, they do charitable works, go for seminars, they pay the church bills and get security and generator when there is no electricity.

davien:
Explain to me the bolded and where I ever implied such...
And you've established that you're ready to resort to insults to deviate scrutiny of your mythology..

Can everyone here see a perfect example of a theist willing to do just about anything(including lying) just to spread the belief?

Direct your POWERFUL questions at me.

Misogynist2014:
The church pays workers, they do charitable works, go for seminars, they pay the church bills and get security and generator when there is no electricity.

Did the doctrine ever permit paying workers?...Did "jesus" tell his alleged disciples to "follow me and I'll pay you"?

Misogynist2014:
Direct your POWERFUL questions at me.

Powerful? No,just basic questions....but since you think you're up to the task...I'll ask one.

How do you know "god" is good and "satan" is bad?(note that "know" is bolded, meaning tell us how such knowledge was derived and is it demonstrable?)

funmo:
DIFFERENT STROKES FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS

but it is rather wise if one agrees there is a God, and makes heaven, and afterwards discover there isn't God after all... nothing to lose

THAN

to argue till death that God doesn't exist, and afterwards discover he does, and end up in fire


BUT THE FIRST LADY SUMS IT ALL UP ATHEISTS





"chai... there is Godu o o o..."

Read up on the criticism of Pascal's wager :http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager#Criticism

davien:
Did the doctrine ever permit paying workers?...Did "jesus" tell his alleged disciples to "follow me and I'll pay you"?

And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the
labourer is worthy of his hire. Luke 10:7

AdamuUcheOla:


Read up on the criticism of Pascal's wager :http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager#Criticism

You are right, but that doesn't remove the fact he's got good points.

Misogynist2014:
And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the
labourer is worthy of his hire. Luke 10:7

A labourer is basically a wage paid individual.....tell me where church workers are required to be paid.

davien:
Powerful? No,just basic questions....but since you think you're up to the task...I'll ask one.

How do you know "god" is good and "satan" is bad?(note that "know" is bolded, meaning tell us how such knowledge was derived and is it demonstrable?)

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the
law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: The knowledge of Good and evil is in us.

Misogynist2014:
You are right, but that doesn't remove the fact he's got good points.

Those aren't good points....I'll bring up my past rebuttals(links) to the wager soon...

davien:
What i lose by believing "god?"
IF YOU REFER TO YOUR "god" THEN;

1.Give 10% my income

2.Give in to authority...through "faith men" and be easily conned...

3.Demote women...as "inferior beings"

4.When you base reality on the imaginary....you become more manipulative and have to believe anything absurd to back up the belief i.e Creationism...

5.Live by racist standards i.e Demoting people on sexual preference,ethnicity etc...

6.Have to teach children to not be inquisitive and lie to them...

7.Have to force a view against abortion rights and gay rights based on baseless toilet paper...

8.Have to threaten people with "hell" and "faith" because the myth does not go by its own merits and have to be believed by "faith" ....

9.Have to teach children imaginary do's and don'ts about masturbati0n....and other subjects best left to personal wishes...

10.Stand to lose sanity by believing two members of a species can re-populate that species without losing vigour and without genetic defects and believe in a world wide flood...

LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF REASONS...

https://www.nairaland.com/1930863/letter-atheists-pics#26819243

Misogynist2014:
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the
law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: The knowledge of Good and evil is in us.

Are you sure this is your answer?...because you've just defeated a core principle in your faith...

davien:
A labourer is basically a wage paid individual.....tell me where church workers are required to be paid.

It seems you've never opened up a Bible.

Misogynist2014:
It seems you've never opened up a Bible.

Skip the ad hominem...since you've said people have the knowledge of good and evil....then aren't you implying morality is subjective?

Plus that verse expressed food(i.e eating and drinking)as to accept the food you're given as wage for your hire....I guess food is equal to real money to you....can you see that you've just had to clip that part out to make it fit with the discussion?

davien:
Are you sure this is your answer?...because you've just defeated a core principle in your faith...

You asked me if there is difference between Good and Bad, i.e how we know God is good and Satan is evil, then I said its made known by our conscience, even the effects of such actions on us whether it inflicts pain or happiness.

Misogynist2014:
The church pays workers, they do charitable works, go for seminars, they pay the church bills and get security and generator when there is no electricity.

Why should I be the one paying for it? Can't they just get the money directly from God since they are using it for his work?

Misogynist2014:
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the
law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: The knowledge of Good and evil is in us.

How does this answer the question

freecocoa:
Why should I be the one paying for it? Can't they just get the money directly from God since they are using it for his work?

You must be a very intelligent lady, where have women like you been hiding all this while?

johnydon22:


How does this answer the question

continue reading the argument, you'll get to understand.

Misogynist2014:
You must be a very intelligent lady, where have women like you been hiding all this while?

Very poor attempt at sarcasm.

Just answer the damned question.

Misogynist2014:
You must be a very intelligent lady, where have women like you been hiding all this while?

Belittling a woman is a low blow...And really pathetic

Misogynist2014:
You asked me if there is difference between Good and Bad, i.e how we know God is good and Satan is evil, then I said its made known by our conscience, even the effects of such actions on us whether it inflicts pain or happiness.

here is his question

davien:
Powerful? No,just basic questions....but since you think you're up to the task...I'll ask one.

How do you know "god" is good and "satan" is bad?(note that "know" is bolded, meaning tell us how such knowledge was derived and is it demonstrable?)

He asked how you know "god" is good and "satan" is bad and how you derived it and how demonstrable it is, not the difference between good and bad...

I think you need to try answering that question again..
e.g ask me how do i know osama is bad and bill gates is good ; i will simple say cus osama hurts people and kill them while bill gates is active in charitable works... their deeds.. dont know where you got this idea of conscience to know god and satan which is good or bad..

davien:
Belittling a woman is a low blow...And really pathetic

Thats one of the religious ideologies that are ridiculous in this century that man is superior to woman... but we know both are equal..

Tallesty1:
Nairaland Atheists Be Like.





Thank God I am an Atheist


Atheists do have faith really but it’s obvious that they do not have Christian faith. If they did, they’d be Christians.

Atheists Belief Without Certain Proof and that is a form of faith. They can't prove to me that God doesn't exist same way I cannot do that to them yet we belief in our opinions, that is faith.

An atheist in a bus has no proof that he will reach his destination safely yet he beliefs he will, that is faith.

Yes everybody has faith in one thing or the other , what makes atheist different is lack of religious faith that you folks have.

Except it's oxymoron, your word usage is questionable.

GodMode:


Atheists believe in themselves...

If you're finding it difficult to believe in yourself then you have problem.

Atheism and science are not related..

So is religion and science related ?

chinnyonwu:

atheists dont believe in the devil either mate

They need not believe in him bro, whether they do or not is irrelevant.

davien:
If you read the origin of species....you'd realise that he made a lot of predictions(testable hypothesis) that could be used to prove his theory....he also explained how the eye could have arisen by small incremental steps of changes..

From photo-sensitive cells to eyes....and that's just the trend we see in micro-fossils...
If you really want to understand evolution...I could direct you to some videos.

Thanks but i dont want to understand evolution

So what's the general consensus?

joseph1832:
Can you kindly tell your own version why you were cast into hell? All we've been hearing is just one version. As the saying goes "there's always two side of a story".

Lucifer and his son ( lucifuge rofocale ) aren't in hell yet , it is a future occurrence as told by the bible.