DProDG:


Prediction -
a prediction is a rigorous, often quantitative, statement, forecasting what will happen under specific conditions; for example, if an apple falls from a tree it will be attracted towards the center of the earth by gravity with a specified and constant acceleration.

Faith -
Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

How do you equate the two?

We ll talk when you give me a better definition... A little advice; Stop being myopic!

5minsmadness:


Ok. Sure. that's why all of Jesus disciples preferred to die horrible deaths than deny Christ. because they wanted to propagate their man made idea. Gotcha.

Died horrible deaths according to stories written by others many, many years after they died in other to encourage the faiths of others right? Died horrible deaths indeed.

5minsmadness:

It means when one is god. i hope i am correct?

Idk, never heard of it.

kindly prove it.

We're both aware of the number of inherited traits required to make significant differences. However there are subtle differences between various populations eg Tibetan evolution.

yes it is, but they have worked on it. the carbon-dating clock was recently reset. read it up.

Reset assign re-calibrated?

johnydon22:
atheism doesnt mean scientism..

oh, so you are abandoning the science and evolution ship now? ok

None

that right there sir is the crux of your problem or lack of belief. a lot of people have had supernatural things happen to them(i'm not talking about nigerian pastors and their 'miracles', that is a story for another day) , things that science can in no wa explain, so NOTHING you tell them will stop them from believing in GOD almighty. they've got first hand experience of His power.

You do know the creation story in your bible copied from the mesopotamian creation story..
Now read the creation story in genesis chapter one (mesopotamian creation myth tho) and read the creation story in genesis chapter 2 and tell me how they follow evolutionary process..

there you go again, starting something you cannot finish
can you tell me exactly how the bible account copies from the mesoptamian account? keeping in view that both accounts date back to the same time period how are we sure it wasn't the mesopotamian account that was copied from the bible? Are you aware most of the interpretations of the mesopotamian tablet are still undergoing scruntiny? why you dey do like this sef?

on the off chance that they are copies, does that reduce the authenticity of the bible?

i have explained the time-gap between genesis 1 and 2 on another thread. it shows two creation accounts, one of the whole world and the other of the garden of eden and its environs. You can search for books on these if you are interested.

5minsmadness:


atheism is the lack of belief in gods, as far as i know kratos is the god of strength, unless you are referring to that guy in god-of-war.

but i'm not quoting scriptures of zeus because GOD almighty is mightier than him. simples.

Oh, so you now you understand why we don't worry about Zeus?

DProDG:


So it's possible for someone to be evil in heaven?

No

Humblebloke:


We ll talk when you give me a better definition... A little advice; Stop being myopic!

Do you have any better definitions yourself?

Misogynist2014:
No

How is there freewill if one is restricted from doing something? In this case, something evil?

Misogynist2014:
No

Satan rebelled against God in heaven according to the christian story.

aaronson:
lemme school you a bit......these are the steps involved in science.... Observation>hypotheses&predictions>practicals or experiment> finally law/facts/theory. Now the miseducation of people on religion is the reason primitive minds believe in faith,like you said,faiths are things unseen but hoped for which is synonymous with this....faith is blind like justice when you face a time!!! I feel like I'm schooling somebody already,you gotta pay me bro,lol don't worry I'm kidding you but you gotta go study and think for yourself,the revolution won't be televised,the revolution is personal.

U r begining to sound like my narrow minded mate wayback in college.... Like i said earlier, Perhaps when u get more knowledgeable in the science field.... You will realise you are fighting a lost cause.

Ciao

dalaman:


Satan rebelled against God in heaven according to the christian story.

What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise
up the second time. Nahum 1:9

DProDG:


Ever heard of the Cathars? They were tortured my catholics for the same reason, 1500yrs later.

no they weren't, at least not the way you try to paint it. Know your historysir.
the cathars believed that the god of the old testament was satan while the god of the new testament was god almighty. they had become this way because they had been isolated from the general church for a long time. the pope tried to correct this error by sending missionaries to them but they killed one of them. this led to an act of war ( yes, the catholic church had an army that time, it was the way of the world then) and the cathars were killed. Putting it simplistically according to history, "they started it".

Jonestown? Heaven's gate? Both groups amounting to almost 1000 members committed suicide because well...God

not the same thing sir. these people were not being persecuted directly for their faith. they are classical cases of brainwashing and hence they took their own lives.

I'm unaware of historical documents or even bible verses accounting the torture of all the disciples.

Google it.
i might open a thread about it later. it makes for an interesting, if not bizarre read.

dalaman:


Died horrible deaths according to stories written by others many, many years after they died in other to encourage the faiths of others right? Died horrible deaths indeed.

oh, now they are stories right. what is history if not a long long story of mankind?
i am talking of facts sir.

DProDG:


How is there freewill if one is restricted from doing something? In this case, something evil?

So if you are granted freewill, will you do evil? Adam had freewill but never sinned until he had knowledge of good and evil. We sin not because we have power over sin but for the fact that we are slaves of sin. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death
passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. Romans 6:20

DProDG:

Idk, never heard of it.

then why did you ask?

We're both aware of the number of inherited traits required to make significant differences. However there are subtle differences between various populations eg Tibetan evolution.

You say evolution, I say adaptation. It still doesn't answer my question.

Reset assign re-calibrated?

ok.

DProDG:


Oh, so you now you understand why we don't worry about Zeus?

Oh, so you worry about GOD almighty? why?


@francistony, come up here a moment. Start reading from page 10. You may learn something new

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i think i need not argue over it http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative

abraham was from the land of UR in mesopotamia... am still wondering how you want to place the jewish civilization and the mesopotamian civilization in the same timeline..

5minsmadness:

oh, now they are stories right. what is history if not a long long story of mankind?
i am talking of facts sir.

Which facts? Which date did Peter die and who killed him? Provide 3 independent sources from antiquity that supports this claim. There is history, myths and legend, the story of Jesus disciples dying for their faiths is mythology and legends.

KingEbukasBlog:
Damn ... I missed this hot argument ?
Four .. Big Bang has no explaination for its initial conditions , so its a baseless theory. Fossils are no evidence of evolution but of pre-adamic creations

Cell theory does not explain quantum mechanics. Is it also a baseless theory?
How exactly do transitional forms not support the theory of evolution?

Six... God made the laws for the good of man and not for Himself. Do not fornicate , u go do am get belle , STDs, na Him get am?

According to you, he created the STDs too. Did he have to? Why did he give humans sexual desires and create deadly diseases which could also affect innocent children conceived during intercourse?

Seven... Please , If you dont understand or comprehend His existence , I strongly advise you stay away for your own good

By comprehend I hope you do not mean accept. Also, I doubt anyone 'comprehends' his paradoxical descriptions.

Ten ... Am a miracle baby ... After eight years ... Thank You God for bringing happiness to the hopeless and barren. For I know pain , sorrow will be taken away in Your new Earth

Well good for you!

Eleven ... Yimu to people who think their ability to see , hear , talk , love , hate , reason , reproduce , walk , eat , possess consciousness and conscience , fingers to type trash on Nairaland was some mistake that just happened

I totally agree. Also include people who think it was a result of magic.

5minsmadness:


ah, but you were the one thinking you could use your 'advanced scientific knowledge' to bamboozle me about the evolution of the naked ape

guy why did you leave the catholic church jo?

here was my original post..

N.B . . i'm not a fan of evolution, more studies are being carried out on it and it still requires a lot of work and experiment but at least read something before asking questions..

Evolution takes millions of years, you probably need to stick around for that long to witness it.

None needs saying anymore..

Misogynist2014:
What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise
up the second time. Nahum 1:9

Affliction? Do you know what affliction mean? Where is heaven mentioned in this verse?

johnydon22:

i think i need not argue over it http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative

abraham was from the land of UR in mesopotamia... am still wondering how you want to place the jewish civilization and the mesopotamian civilization in the same timeline..

apart from the fact that your link starts with calling the genesis story a myth and hence is biased, how does this answer how such early people could figure out the whole evolution process? The creation story follows evolution story, you can just substitute 'days' for 'millions of years' in the way plant and animal life appeared and it would follow uncannily. how is that possible if it is just a story?

dont put words in my mouth. i didnt place jewish and mesopotamian timelines together.

5minsmadness:

then why did you ask?

I didn't know, so I asked...

You say evolution, I say adaptation. It still doesn't answer my question.

Replacing one term with another doesn't change anything. Adaptation is different from evolution. For starters, it plays no role on the genetic level, hence, isn't hereditary. What you call adaptation IS evolution.

5minsmadness:


apart from the fact that your link starts with calling the genesis story a myth and hence is biased.

wikipedia encyclopedia biased? because they called myth what it is, myth...lmao

5minsmadness:

how does this answer how such early people could figure out the whole evolution process? The creation story follows evolution story, you can just substitute 'days' for 'millions of years' in the way plant and animal life appeared and it would follow uncannily. how is that possible if it is just a story?

hahahahahahahaha creating light (day and night) and plant before The sun.. chisoooooos How does this even resemble anything similar to evolution..

Beside evolution is referred to as origin of species not the world..

DProDG:


Do you have any better definitions yourself?

So much for being a critical thinker!..... You are just one of those religious but unaffliated' half baked scientist.

dalaman:


Affliction? Do you know what affliction mean? Where is heaven mentioned in this verse?

Maybe you should try downloading a KJV bible, I even have one though not KJV on my Xpressmusic, therefore I think there is no excuse for spitting out ignorance. I think there is always Bible and Quran on android, you can even flash share it, or buy a bible, or even borrow one. Try reading the whole chapter or even the whole Text. Arguing while having little knowledge of a subject is very silly.

Misogynist2014:
Maybe you should try downloading a KJV bible, I even have one though not KJV on my Xpressmusic, therefore I think there is no excuse for spitting out ignorance. I think there is always Bible and Quran on android, you can even flash share it, or buy a bible, or even borrow one. Try reading the whole chapter or even the whole Text. Arguing while having little knowledge of a subject is very silly.

Simply show where heaven was mentioned in the verse.

5minsmadness:

no they weren't, at least not the way you try to paint it. Know your historysir.
the cathars believed that the god of the old testament was satan while the god of the new testament was god almighty. they had become this way because they had been isolated from the general church for a long time. the pope tried to correct this error by sending missionaries to them but they killed one of them. this led to an act of war ( yes, the catholic church had an army that time, it was the way of the world then) and the cathars were killed. Putting it simplistically according to history, "they started it".

The Cathars were prosecuted long before that but that's a topic for another thread.

not the same thing sir. these people were not being persecuted directly for their faith. they are classical cases of brainwashing and hence they took their own lives.

And these supposed disciples couldn't have been brainwashed too?

Google it.
i might open a thread about it later. it makes for an interesting, if not bizarre read.

Couldn't find any. Usually I expect you to back your claims up yourself...

5minsmadness:


Oh, so you worry about GOD almighty? why?

@francistony, come up here a moment. Start reading from page 10. You may learn something new

When you've got followers of a religion pushing their faith on you and retarding progress, both scientific and economic, you'll understand

Humblebloke:

So much for being a critical thinker!..... You are just one of those religious but unaffliated' half baked scientist.

How is any of that relevant^^^? You compared faith with scientific predictions and I simply asked you a explain. Are you going to or not?

Misogynist2014:
So if you are granted freewill, will you do evil? Adam had freewill but never sinned until he had knowledge of good and evil. We sin not because we have power over sin but for the fact that we are slaves of sin. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death
passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. Romans 6:20

According to your bible, sin could be as natural as a thought crime. We're all granted freewill and we all sin. What is so surprising? We also have knowledge of good and evil, just like Adam did before he started sinning.

So it's either we won't have knowledge of good and evil(which is basically the same thing as freewill) or there will be sin in heaven.

What exactly do you mean by 'slaves of sin'? These are basic questions. No need for scripture

DProDG:

Cell theory does not explain quantum mechanics. Is it also a baseless theory?
How exactly do transitional forms not support the theory of evolution?


According to you, he created the STDs too. Did he have to? Why did he give humans sexual desires and create deadly diseases which could also affect innocent children conceived during intercourse?


By comprehend I hope you do not mean accept. Also, I doubt anyone 'comprehends' his paradoxical descriptions.

Well good for you!




I totally agree. Also include people who think it was a result of magic.

Hmmm ... no response for one , two , three , etc

R1 . Still doesn't change the fact it is baseless , give me a call when it explains the initial conditions of the universe . Thanks

R2. God acknowledges the fact there are diseases in the bible . The healings and miracles

a.By his stripes we are healed
b. this affliction shall not rise for the second time
c."This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God's glory so that God's Son may be glorified through it." - after Lazarus died and Jesus brought him back to life and much more .

Seriously bro innocent ? You trying to emanate pity and make God look bad . Epic fail -

1. God also had to destroy living souls both old and young during the flood .
2.The Israelites were also told to kill Amalekites , both old , young and even animals .

Diseases, sorrow , suffering came after the sin of disobedience - you should know this
But there is redemption , when the new Earth comes all these will pass away .And your visa - Jesus Christ


R3 . Paradoxical indeed ! Like I said if you do not understand Him , stay way . Like there aint contradictions in the laws of science during the course of cosmic evolution

R4. Good for me offcourse , conceived from a prophetical declaration

R5. Creation is not magic .If magic, its still better than a mistake .According to evolution ,your ability to talk , reason , any form of intelligence is a mistake . Meaning there are possibilities of brainless unintelligent animal life forms .

Also by mistake , humans have coordinated way of communication , and general living . Meaning elephants could play the role of humans and humans could bel ower class animals ... init ?