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Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Humblebloke(m): 8:39pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
DProDG: We ll talk when you give me a better definition... A little advice; Stop being myopic! |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by dalaman: 8:45pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
5minsmadness: Died horrible deaths according to stories written by others many, many years after they died in other to encourage the faiths of others right? Died horrible deaths indeed. 1 Like |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 8:46pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
5minsmadness:Idk, never heard of it. kindly prove it.We're both aware of the number of inherited traits required to make significant differences. However there are subtle differences between various populations eg Tibetan evolution. yes it is, but they have worked on it. the carbon-dating clock was recently reset. read it up.Reset assign re-calibrated? |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by 5minsmadness: 8:47pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
johnydon22:oh, so you are abandoning the science and evolution ship now? ok Nonethat right there sir is the crux of your problem or lack of belief. a lot of people have had supernatural things happen to them(i'm not talking about nigerian pastors and their 'miracles', that is a story for another day) , things that science can in no wa explain, so NOTHING you tell them will stop them from believing in GOD almighty. they've got first hand experience of His power. You do know the creation story in your bible copied from the mesopotamian creation story.. there you go again, starting something you cannot finish can you tell me exactly how the bible account copies from the mesoptamian account? keeping in view that both accounts date back to the same time period how are we sure it wasn't the mesopotamian account that was copied from the bible? Are you aware most of the interpretations of the mesopotamian tablet are still undergoing scruntiny? why you dey do like this sef? on the off chance that they are copies, does that reduce the authenticity of the bible? i have explained the time-gap between genesis 1 and 2 on another thread. it shows two creation accounts, one of the whole world and the other of the garden of eden and its environs. You can search for books on these if you are interested. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 8:47pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
5minsmadness: Oh, so you now you understand why we don't worry about Zeus? |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Misogynist2014(m): 8:48pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
DProDG:No |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 8:49pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
Humblebloke: Do you have any better definitions yourself? |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 8:50pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
Misogynist2014: How is there freewill if one is restricted from doing something? In this case, something evil? |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by dalaman: 8:50pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
Misogynist2014: Satan rebelled against God in heaven according to the christian story. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Humblebloke(m): 8:50pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
aaronson: U r begining to sound like my narrow minded mate wayback in college.... Like i said earlier, Perhaps when u get more knowledgeable in the science field.... You will realise you are fighting a lost cause. Ciao |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Misogynist2014(m): 8:55pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
dalaman:What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. Nahum 1:9 |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by 5minsmadness: 8:59pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
DProDG: no they weren't, at least not the way you try to paint it. Know your historysir. the cathars believed that the god of the old testament was satan while the god of the new testament was god almighty. they had become this way because they had been isolated from the general church for a long time. the pope tried to correct this error by sending missionaries to them but they killed one of them. this led to an act of war ( yes, the catholic church had an army that time, it was the way of the world then) and the cathars were killed. Putting it simplistically according to history, "they started it". Jonestown? Heaven's gate? Both groups amounting to almost 1000 members committed suicide because well...Godnot the same thing sir. these people were not being persecuted directly for their faith. they are classical cases of brainwashing and hence they took their own lives. I'm unaware of historical documents or even bible verses accounting the torture of all the disciples. Google it. i might open a thread about it later. it makes for an interesting, if not bizarre read. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by 5minsmadness: 9:01pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
dalaman:oh, now they are stories right. what is history if not a long long story of mankind? i am talking of facts sir. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Misogynist2014(m): 9:02pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
DProDG:So if you are granted freewill, will you do evil? Adam had freewill but never sinned until he had knowledge of good and evil. We sin not because we have power over sin but for the fact that we are slaves of sin. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Romans 5:12. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. Romans 6:20 1 Like |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by 5minsmadness: 9:04pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
DProDG:then why did you ask? We're both aware of the number of inherited traits required to make significant differences. However there are subtle differences between various populations eg Tibetan evolution.You say evolution, I say adaptation. It still doesn't answer my question. Reset assign re-calibrated?ok. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by 5minsmadness: 9:09pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
DProDG: Oh, so you worry about GOD almighty? why? @francistony, come up here a moment. Start reading from page 10. You may learn something new |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 9:09pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
[quote author=5minsmadness post=31795348][/quote] i think i need not argue over it http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative abraham was from the land of UR in mesopotamia... am still wondering how you want to place the jewish civilization and the mesopotamian civilization in the same timeline.. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by dalaman: 9:13pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
5minsmadness: Which facts? Which date did Peter die and who killed him? Provide 3 independent sources from antiquity that supports this claim. There is history, myths and legend, the story of Jesus disciples dying for their faiths is mythology and legends. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 9:14pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Cell theory does not explain quantum mechanics. Is it also a baseless theory? How exactly do transitional forms not support the theory of evolution? Six... God made the laws for the good of man and not for Himself. Do not fornicate , u go do am get belle , STDs, na Him get am?According to you, he created the STDs too. Did he have to? Why did he give humans sexual desires and create deadly diseases which could also affect innocent children conceived during intercourse? Seven... Please , If you dont understand or comprehend His existence , I strongly advise you stay away for your own goodBy comprehend I hope you do not mean accept. Also, I doubt anyone 'comprehends' his paradoxical descriptions. Ten ... Am a miracle baby ... After eight years ... Thank You God for bringing happiness to the hopeless and barren. For I know pain , sorrow will be taken away in Your new EarthWell good for you! Eleven ... Yimu to people who think their ability to see , hear , talk , love , hate , reason , reproduce , walk , eat , possess consciousness and conscience , fingers to type trash on Nairaland was some mistake that just happenedI totally agree. Also include people who think it was a result of magic. 1 Like |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 9:16pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
5minsmadness:here was my original post..
None needs saying anymore.. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by dalaman: 9:17pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
Misogynist2014: Affliction? Do you know what affliction mean? Where is heaven mentioned in this verse? |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by 5minsmadness: 9:19pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
johnydon22: apart from the fact that your link starts with calling the genesis story a myth and hence is biased, how does this answer how such early people could figure out the whole evolution process? The creation story follows evolution story, you can just substitute 'days' for 'millions of years' in the way plant and animal life appeared and it would follow uncannily. how is that possible if it is just a story? dont put words in my mouth. i didnt place jewish and mesopotamian timelines together. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 9:23pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
5minsmadness:I didn't know, so I asked... You say evolution, I say adaptation. It still doesn't answer my question.Replacing one term with another doesn't change anything. Adaptation is different from evolution. For starters, it plays no role on the genetic level, hence, isn't hereditary. What you call adaptation IS evolution. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by johnydon22(m): 9:23pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
5minsmadness:wikipedia encyclopedia biased? because they called myth what it is, myth...lmao 5minsmadness:hahahahahahahaha creating light (day and night) and plant before The sun.. chisoooooos How does this even resemble anything similar to evolution.. Beside evolution is referred to as origin of species not the world.. 1 Like |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Humblebloke(m): 9:24pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
DProDG: So much for being a critical thinker!..... You are just one of those religious but unaffliated' half baked scientist. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Misogynist2014(m): 9:27pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
dalaman:Maybe you should try downloading a KJV bible, I even have one though not KJV on my Xpressmusic, therefore I think there is no excuse for spitting out ignorance. I think there is always Bible and Quran on android, you can even flash share it, or buy a bible, or even borrow one. Try reading the whole chapter or even the whole Text. Arguing while having little knowledge of a subject is very silly. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by dalaman: 9:29pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
Misogynist2014: Simply show where heaven was mentioned in the verse. |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 9:32pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
5minsmadness:The Cathars were prosecuted long before that but that's a topic for another thread. not the same thing sir. these people were not being persecuted directly for their faith. they are classical cases of brainwashing and hence they took their own lives.And these supposed disciples couldn't have been brainwashed too? Google it.Couldn't find any. Usually I expect you to back your claims up yourself... |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 9:34pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
5minsmadness: When you've got followers of a religion pushing their faith on you and retarding progress, both scientific and economic, you'll understand 1 Like |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 9:37pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
Humblebloke: How is any of that relevant^^^? You compared faith with scientific predictions and I simply asked you a explain. Are you going to or not? |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by Nobody: 9:54pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
Misogynist2014:According to your bible, sin could be as natural as a thought crime. We're all granted freewill and we all sin. What is so surprising? We also have knowledge of good and evil, just like Adam did before he started sinning. So it's either we won't have knowledge of good and evil(which is basically the same thing as freewill) or there will be sin in heaven. What exactly do you mean by 'slaves of sin'? These are basic questions. No need for scripture |
Re: I Dont Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:54pm On Mar 19, 2015 |
DProDG: Hmmm ... no response for one , two , three , etc R1 . Still doesn't change the fact it is baseless , give me a call when it explains the initial conditions of the universe . Thanks R2. God acknowledges the fact there are diseases in the bible . The healings and miracles a.By his stripes we are healed b. this affliction shall not rise for the second time c."This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God's glory so that God's Son may be glorified through it." - after Lazarus died and Jesus brought him back to life and much more . Seriously bro innocent ? You trying to emanate pity and make God look bad . Epic fail - 1. God also had to destroy living souls both old and young during the flood . 2.The Israelites were also told to kill Amalekites , both old , young and even animals . Diseases, sorrow , suffering came after the sin of disobedience - you should know this But there is redemption , when the new Earth comes all these will pass away .And your visa - Jesus Christ R3 . Paradoxical indeed ! Like I said if you do not understand Him , stay way . Like there aint contradictions in the laws of science during the course of cosmic evolution R4. Good for me offcourse , conceived from a prophetical declaration R5. Creation is not magic .If magic, its still better than a mistake .According to evolution ,your ability to talk , reason , any form of intelligence is a mistake . Meaning there are possibilities of brainless unintelligent animal life forms . Also by mistake , humans have coordinated way of communication , and general living . Meaning elephants could play the role of humans and humans could bel ower class animals ... init ? |
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