NigerMan1:


@ makazona - do not trouble yourself about Yoruba vaunting attitude. In reality it is empty and dry. I love this fellow called macof because he's more open in letting you know he's a tribalist. He's not hiding the fact that many Yorubas are known for rudeness, uncouth social attitude and freely dispensing swear words.

Those you should be afraid are the ones who openly laugh with you, plan projects with you... then... BETRAY you!!! You may not understand this, but let me tell you those traits are the main PROPELLER Yorubas often denigrate other tribes. Those traits are responsible why they chose to insult Edo culture...

absoluteSuccess:
You have perfect hatred for your obsession. Ipa ti e np'Ose, ara lofi nsan: you kept revealing every horrible imaginations that is in abundance in you to villify Yoruba. Thrust to the deep for more on Yoruba, you can never arouse sympathy for your cause without pulling Yoruba down, create a thread & get out of here, hopeless loser

bigfrancis21:


Thanks. I'll go through these links that you provided me!

NigerMan1:


@ absoluteSuccess - as usual with you Yoruba, you did not say anything tangible, you did not make any effort to deny any of the points I raised in all my posts. Now you bold a phrase and replied with INSULTS.

Well let me tell you that I grew up to see Yorubas using abusive languages, uncouth words and swearing on a daily basis. And it continue up till today. In fact, over 97% of you are brought up this way, so like your fellow Yorubas on this thread, you have not disappointed at all. Is difficult to enter any argument that demand TRUTHS and facts with Yorubas without receiving insults or being abused.

Anyway you guys have been claiming Itsekiris are Yoruba. And any attempt to tell you the truth meets brick wall. Please kindly read this scholarly work by a high ranking Itsekiri scholar: http://ihuanedo.ning.com/group/healtheducation/forum/topic/show?id=2971192%3ATopic%3A130191&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic

PeterKbaba:
Just like the work TOKUNBO [/b]cars that everyone uses in Nigeria, is from the Yoruba's --------- Ti Okun Bo Cars
Ti Okun Bo = Came from overseas

[b]You all stop confusing yourselves.
First of all. Oyinbo is a Yoruba word for white man.

Oyin = Honey from a Bee = Brownish color of honey (African skin)

Bo = Peeled = bleached Skin.

Just like when Yorubas say that girl (Bo Ara = Bo-Ra = bleached her skin )

If Oyin = Brownish color of honey
If Bo = Peeled.

Therefore;
Oyin-Bo = Oyinbo means a Brown Man/Woman who's skin was peeled.

Oyinbo a White Man.

PeterKbaba:
Just like the work TOKUNBO [/b]cars that everyone uses in Nigeria, is from the Yoruba's --------- Ti Okun Bo Cars
Ti Okun Bo = Came from overseas

[b]You all stop confusing yourselves.
First of all. Oyinbo is a Yoruba word for white man.

Oyin = Honey from a Bee = Brownish color of honey (African skin)

Bo = Peeled = bleached Skin.

Just like when Yorubas say that girl (Bo Ara = Bo-Ra = bleached her skin )

If Oyin = Brownish color of honey
If Bo = Peeled.

Therefore;
Oyin-Bo = Oyinbo means a Brown Man/Woman who's skin was peeled.

Oyinbo a White Man.

bigfrancis21:


It is still funny when you run around in circles trying so desperately hard to ascribe a 'honey + peel' meaning to 'oyibo' when the honey in question is brown in colour and not white. Had the honey itself been white in colour such that the meaning can be thought of as 'peeled like white honey', then it is more understandable.

With no academic proof whatsoever, you are simply running around in empty circles chasing empty shadows.

absoluteSuccess:
I dont have to.

NigerMan1:



For example, how would you feel next time you hear or read about a ranking Yoruba fellow claiming 'Itsekiri are Yorubas' ? Will you also gloat over such bareface lies and travesty of our history? Or you will stand on the path of truths and call your fellow tribemen to order?

absoluteSuccess:
Go to bigfrancis, he is willing to learn. I am not interested. Abi na by force? I can see the fruit of your scholarship already and I dont want to read stuffs that shape your thought system. We are not from the same culture, what is our virtue is your vice, so hold to your glory. But if you are dying to have a disciple, take saint bigfrancis: you both think alike. Please stop spamming me. Your pain did not come from me, so please, free me abeg.

NigerMan1:


@ absoluteSuccess - You entered into this discussion, and now being EVASIVE to go further when challenged? Look turning vital issues into a 'gutter fight' is not the solution.

Am really surprised that you Yorubas that always 'draw the first blood' on tribal issues, making derogatory remarks about others, often chicken out when confronted with facts and figures.

At best you guys resort to what you did in your 2 replies to me: Abuse, Insult and more abuse!

Let et me advice you Yorubas: Whatever tribal discourse you cannot finish; don't start it.
Bye bye

PeterKbaba:


Point of correction, if you watched the channels news today, the Yoruba Oba's had a meeting in Ibadan today and the Isekiri/Warri (thats how the leaders presented themselves) leaders were all there, guess what the had to say concerning the issues of the National Confab... They will follow and accept anything the Yoruba's their brothers accept and agree upon. end of story

NigerMan1:


@ PeterKbaba - that do not INVALIDATE the history of the Itsekiris and their monarchy which was 100% established by Benin Oba and named it Ogiame.

The people that made up Itsekiris were Ijebus, Igalas and several sub tribes, who were SETTLERS in old Warri and under the Old Benin Kingdom.

That is the true picture that cannot be denied because it was recorded and established. Every educated Itsekiri person knows this very well.

MODERN NIGERIA ISSUES

The world has moved on from the past; people now realigned for personal and corporate protection and benefits.

That some Itsekiri leaders aligning with modern day Yorubas does NOT make them Yoruba, nor cancel their origin and history.

Moreover remember this is just a political alignment in today's Nigeria where justice and truth is hated, so they can align with any bigger group to earn their stake in today's Nigeria filled with savagery.

YORUBA Alignment With Hausa / Fulanis

I remember vividly how the Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi used to align with Hausa/Fulani in the 60s down to the 80s for political gains.

Does that make them NOT Yorubas again? Does that make them Hausas, Fulanis or Kanuris? Does that cancel their origin and history?

Up till today many Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi still see themselves as 'Northerner' in national political and economic circle - but admit their Yoruba ancestry.

CALL A SPADE A SPADE

So there is a VAST difference between historical origin, settlement and culture / language development and 21st Century politics.

The difference between the larger Hausa / Fulanis and you Yoruba is glaring...

The first group do not try to usurp the history and cultural origin of the Yorubas who aligned (and still aligning) with them. But you the Yorubas in South West are insinuating Itsekiri are Yorubas because they're aligning with you?

This is where you guys are missing it due to inherent feelings for 'superiority' and misplaced pride.

bigfrancis21:


I bet you, you are not going to get any reasonable response or rebuttal to this post! Intellectual reasoning devoid of profanity eludes so many.

NigerMan1:

Hey absoluteSuccess - you "don't have to" what?
Do you mean you hate to get yourself busy with deeper scholarly works that enlighten and educate us about our collective ancestors?
I don't want to believe that you hate to mingle with truths and facts but love to peddle your tribal self-conceited historical claims?
Now which is better? Fuelling hearsay, lies and dwelling in same? Or gathering real historical TRUTHS and putting them together?
Would you continue to live in various Yoruba "we are better than others" fables just to appear 'superior' than other tribes and ethnics in Nigeria?
For example, how would you feel next time you hear or read about a ranking Yoruba fellow claiming 'Itsekiri are Yorubas' ? Will you also gloat over such bareface lies and travesty of our history? Or you will stand on the path of truths and call your fellow tribemen to order?
If you choose the latter, then you must read wider and dig deeper. You must leave your comfort zone of "this is our own belief in Yorubaland" - and investigate every issues and claims.
Start with that solid piece I shared with you...

NigerMan1:


@ macof - Edos and Yorubas are NOT brothers. We share no blood relation at all. However if you have evidence to the contrary please say it now so I can evaluate it.

However as members of the black race, we are brothers. Just as we are brothers to Igbo, Ijaw, Ghanaian, Fulani, Tiv etc

Again you wrote: " Nigerman1 doesn't even know his Edo history, pls am I to take an edo man who doesn't know Oranmiyan seriously?"

I know Oranyan story very well my dear macof. According to Yoruba folklore and tales, Oranyan founded or he/his son was first king of Benin. Is this not what you mean?

Bro you don't have to establish this fable, because its already in public domain in Yorubaland. And as a Yoruba person I don't expect you to believe otherwise because you'd been fed from the cradle with this fable.

But I plead with you to accept the real truth, though it may hurt: ORANYAN (and Oduduwa) were NOT human beings, but demon gods of the Yoruba in ancient times.

Those stories are called MYTHOLOGIES in advanced human ancient histories.

NOTE: Do you know they still worship Oduduwa with human lives up till today?

NigerMan1:

@ bigfrancis21 - yes you are right and I know this when I joined the discussion. Yorubas are mainly "at home" when profane languages are freely used. Or engaged in 'corner theory' whenever topics of our collective history is placed on the table.
Just look up at the latest entrant to the discussion called absoluteSuccess - he practically EVADED the issues; but writing negative and platitudes.

absoluteSuccess:


friend, you never use profane language in any of your post, you use immaculate words. You are a product of the most advance culture in the world. Your theories are absolute, unlike 'corner theory' that Yorubas are found of propagating. It is as valid as E=mc2.

After you have report me to your compatriot, you can still sue me for not getting involve with you. The Yoruba is an issue of constant sorrow to the two of you, it unite you both in resistance, I do not want to get involve with you because I don't have the same kind of hatred you harbour for others.

Or better still, if it is 'love' that you call it, I don't have the same kind of 'love' you have for Yoruba for your people, so I wont be all over the net looking for how to humble the Igbo or the Edo, but since this is needed for you guys to feel 'something', I can't reprimand you. It is part of your concept of "fulfillment in life".

As my name imply, I wish you success in this your special endeavor.

Ciao.

absoluteSuccess:
I am bias, such is the way of demons.
Thank you for all you have shared so far.

bokohalal:
With the advent of trade with early Europeans to the Guinea coast, the people of the Niger delta , with the Benin Empire as the main focus , acquired manufactured goods, plants and animals that were hitherto unknown to the natives. These items were identified by the natives as of European origin
Edin-EBO - Pineapple
Umwen-EBO- Sugar
Ivin- EBO- Coconut (now just known as IVIN. Formerly called KOKODIA)
Esi- EBO - PIG ( Now commonly called ELEDE. From Yoruba)
AYON - EBO- Liquor

Note that they were named after what the indigenous people felt was most similar to the imported goods in their environment.

NigerMan1:

@ absoluteSuccess - you are welcome.
And am glad you are closing discourse yourself, tough you tacitly AVOIDED my salient questions and issues raised about your Yoruba general attitude to Edo culture.
Finally talking abot Oduduwa as a 'demon god' go read my posts very well again. I expressed the fact that up till today in some part of Yorubaland, oduduwa is still being worshiped with human blood and parts.
This may sound insulting to you - but it remained unassailable FACT!

bokohalal:
With the advent of trade with early Europeans to the Guinea coast, the people of the Niger delta , with the Benin Empire as the main focus , acquired manufactured goods, plants and animals that were hitherto unknown to the natives. These items were identified by the natives as of European origin
Edin-EBO - Pineapple
Umwen-EBO- Sugar
Ivin- EBO- Coconut (now just known as IVIN. Formerly called KOKODIA)
Esi- EBO - PIG ( Now commonly called ELEDE. From Yoruba)
AYON - EBO- Liquor
Note that they were named after what the indigenous people felt was most similar to the imported goods in their environment.

NigerMan1:


They will soon tell you are lying. They will break the words in syllable and claimed they have their origin Yoruba.

absoluteSuccess:


I believe madam Idia is a saint, and her worshippers are choosen. Whatever you like about Oduduwa, say it and keep saying it wherever you go.

Do you read to comprehend or to twist and fight? Not all Edo is involve in your crusade.



you are trying to corner the fair-minded guy into your complex agony? Your sentence above shows that you are perturbed typing the post, so put up a facade of lies to cover your envy. Your compatriot will somersault in such instance.

Breaking words into syllable is not 'corner theory', it is a function of semiotics. If you are incapable of this with your language, blame your 'linguistic IQ' or your language, don't blame others whose language permit such flexibility.

Don't be an enemy of what you see in others but you don't have.

makazona:


No i get it.everybody is wrong and u are right.isnt it?
Other person's points are craps while urs are wisdom from heaven?

i know ur type bro.my advice: Learn to take aside bias while discussing with people.talk with open mind and decent language.admit when u are wrong.

go ahead with tribalism.lets see where it takes u

NigerMan1:


@ PeterKbaba - that do not INVALIDATE the history of the Itsekiris and their monarchy which was 100% established by Benin Oba and named it Ogiame.

The people that made up Itsekiris were Ijebus, Igalas and several sub tribes, who were SETTLERS in old Warri and under the Old Benin Kingdom.

That is the true picture that cannot be denied because it was recorded and established. Every educated Itsekiri person knows this very well.

MODERN NIGERIA ISSUES

The world has moved on from the past; people now realigned for personal and corporate protection and benefits.

That some Itsekiri leaders aligning with modern day Yorubas does NOT make them Yoruba, nor cancel their origin and history.

Moreover remember this is just a political alignment in today's Nigeria where justice and truth is hated, so they can align with any bigger group to earn their stake in today's Nigeria filled with savagery.

YORUBA Alignment With Hausa / Fulanis

I remember vividly how the Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi used to align with Hausa/Fulani in the 60s down to the 80s for political gains.

Does that make them NOT Yorubas again? Does that make them Hausas, Fulanis or Kanuris? Does that cancel their origin and history?

Up till today many Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi still see themselves as 'Northerner' in national political and economic circle - but admit their Yoruba ancestry.

CALL A SPADE A SPADE

So there is a VAST difference between historical origin, settlement and culture / language development and 21st Century politics.

The difference between the larger Hausa / Fulanis and you Yoruba is glaring...

The first group do not try to usurp the history and cultural origin of the Yorubas who aligned (and still aligning) with them. But you the Yorubas in South West are insinuating Itsekiri are Yorubas because they're aligning with you?

This is where you guys are missing it due to inherent feelings for 'superiority' and misplaced pride.

Adeyinka12:
Eeeeeeh shi oo, no be igbo's
later they will claim they own the word's
oga
oya
agbada
gele
ejo
egbon
ogede
egusi
garii e.t.c
the worst part of it is when they borrow yoruba language with bad pronounciation like;
yoruba igbo
tolotolo torotoro
akuko okuko
imu imi e.t.c