In WVR combat of short range missiles, everybody dies at the same rate because, pilots are too close and missiles will hit targets in 10 seconds. Forget maneuverability if your pilots are not trained to exercise superior split second judgement and decision making. NAF has a modern and deadly PL-9 missile with 90% kill probability.
The advantage of the Su-30 in WVR combat will only come in a gun fight with aircraft cannon after both sides have finished wasting their missiles with ECM like flares and chaff self defences. Then your Su-30 will defeat an F-7 with better Su-30 maneuverability, it will also beat the South African Gripen jet because of the Gripen's poor maneuverability that is on par with the F-7. The Gripen is no good without BVR missiles and the South Africans have NO single BVR missile.
I will rank air to air combat capability thus :
1. Angola 2. Nigeria & South Africa .
"it will also beat the South African Gripen jet because of the Gripen's poor maneuverability that is on par with the F-7." Jap, your an id1ot. Gripen has a much much lower wing loading meaning it can turn tighter than the su30. The same thrust/weight ratio Much better rate of climb Same max speed Much lower stall speed Better radar Better tracking systems better HMD ect ect
And FYI...The Gripen has a lower wing loading than the Euro Fighter, Rafale, Su35, Su37, su47, F22, F35 ect ect thus meaning it is one of the most maneuverable(if not thee most maneuverable) Fighters on the market.
"1 in 5 Helicopter crashes around the world involves an A109" Sorry i fail to believe that stat unless you provide a source, im not saying A109s dont crash but you have to put in perspective that its one of the most popular helicopters in the world, thus the more there are the greater the chance of one of them crashing.
That's just to say crashes with the A109 are quite high. It's not an accurate stat.
That's just to say crashes with the A109 are quite high. It's not an accurate stat.
That Helicopter is popular for doing nothing.
Well SAAF A109s did an awesome job in Mozambique in atrocious weather, yes our a109s had their problems but thats all sorted out now and i personally think its a great LUH.
A short video of A109 and Oryx Helicopters during the Mozambican floods: Mozambique floods 2015 by:twakkie85
Well SAAF A109s did an awesome job in Mozambique in atrocious weather, yes our a109s had their problems but thats all sorted out now and i personally think its a great LUH.
A short video of A109 and Oryx Helicopters during the Mozambican floods: Mozambique floods 2015 by:twakkie85
The video proves my point, the A109 was virtually non-existent.
What do you mean non existent? it was there the whole time, go read the description of the video, there were 2 oryx and 1 A109 on this particular relief effort,thus all the images where you see the 2 Oryx in flight, it means the footage was taken from the A109.
"it will also beat the South African Gripen jet because of the Gripen's poor maneuverability that is on par with the F-7." Jap, your an id1ot. Gripen has a much much lower wing loading meaning it can turn tighter than the su30. The same thrust/weight ratio Much better rate of climb Same max speed Much lower stall speed Better radar Better tracking systems better HMD ect ect
And FYI...The Gripen has a lower wing loading than the Euro Fighter, Rafale, Su35, Su37, su47, F22, F35 ect ect thus meaning it is one of the most maneuverable(if not thee most maneuverable) Fighters on the market.
When missiles are wasted and finished, jet fighters turn to cannon/gun fight. No 4th generation aircraft in this world will defeat an Su-30 Flanker in a gun fight where super-maneuverability is the ONLY deciding factor for victory.
Show us how Gripen jet will handle Su-30 cobra movement-super maneuverability ! Angola will demolish South Africa in less than 1 minute !
1. Gripen 2. Heroin Class Submarine 3. LinkZA 4. Saab Impi BLUEFOR tracker 5. Milan AAD08 6. Project CYTOON - Squire ground surveillance radar - Thales Sophie man-portable system 7. Badger IFV weapons systems (World Class Mortar, World Class 30mm electrically driven gun) 8. CRAM systems 9. Starstreak 10. G6 Rhino and G5 guns 11. ESR220 Thutlwa 12. Lynx Asw 13. Rooivalk 14. Project Radiate (Standard features include high level encryption, fast frequency hopping, state of the art digital modulation techniques) 15. Silvermine Listening post (was able to intercept Royal Navy communications during the Falklands War) 16. Uhmkonto SAM 17. A-Darter 18. Y3-AGL 19. Husky MCV
And thats just individual systems, if I start listing sub-systems of the Valor Class and other platforms we will be in the hundreds
Financial Fraud ! ANC government over-inflated the cost of the South African satellite ! When whistle blowers called for investigation into the money, the ANC government said no, there cannot be any audit because it is a secret satellite for spying, that was how the spy satellite language came in, the Russians designed it as a mere surveillance satellite NOT spy.
So ANC avoided public investigation for fraud with the false claim of a secret spy satellite, BUT IS IT SECRET NOW? THE INFORMATION IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON SIPRI and even ordinary @Patches on nairaland is quoting the satelite's full capacity specifications, so where is the secret? The real secret is that the cost was inflated by South African politicians in a fraudulent deal, they purchased an ordinary survellance satellite at much over the normal price, swallowed the excess cash and said....hush hush....it is a secret !
The two Nigeria observation satellites cost £70 total price, the 3rd satellite is superior cloud penetrating and cost is NOT disclosed, it is more expensive and superior to our 1st and 2nd satellites and ours are top quality British satellites not monkey model Russian satellites like yours.
South Africa paid £ 55 million over-inflated price for a MONKEY MODEL RUSSIAN SATELLITE....fraud scandal news below....
Took you 7 years because South Africa could not make full payment in time, and also delayed because Russia refused to give South Africa technical control over your own satellite , SA government stopped paying cash balance, Russia did not care about your nagging like a frustrated housewife, delay continued until your South African nation bowed to Putin's command, the Russians rule over you and your satellite forever.
Nigerian engineers built one of our satellites and we have 100% control over all our satellites.
Citation needed, where did you get specs and capabilities of Nigeria's 3 satellites ? The 3rd one is even most classified.
The specs and capabilities of your Kondor satellite are avilable on free public internet ! Wow ! Then it's not a secret spy satellite, all it's YANSH & SHIIT is already published for free public knowledge on internet !
Nigeria's satellite is military grade confirmed :
"The two satellites - the NigeriaSat-2 and NigeriaSat-X - were launched on a Russian Dnepr rocket from Yasny, which is located in southern Russia. The space crafts were built at SSTL in Guildford, United Kingdom, but under the Nigerian National Space Research Development Agency (NASRDA). 26 Nigerian engineers worked at the SSTL, assembling NigeriaSat-X, which weighs around 100 kilograms (220 pounds). According to the government, the two satellites can be used for forestry, mapping, disaster monitoring, military applications and security , among other functions. "I congratulate our nation for this new chapter in our transformational efforts as we strive for self-reliance," President Goodluck Jonathan said. "Let me congratulate the resourceful Nigerians who made this history possible." According to Jonathan, NigeriaSat-X was designed and built by Nigerian engineers and scientists , while NigeriaSat-2 was built in collaboration with Surrey Satellite Technology Limited in Britain."
It has been repeated on this forum more than 20 times since last year with sources....You CANNOT delete the proof, Nigeria has a radar cloud penetrating day/night all weather high image resolution military grade high power detection surveillance satellite that can detect a small boat on the big ocean.....
"The satellite platforms have made policing the Nigerian waters and some parts of the Gulf of Guinea (GoG) quite easier as ship movements are better monitored. NIMASA, with approval of relevant federal government agencies, established a fully digitalised Satellite Surveillance Centre (SSC) with sophisticated cloud penetrating radars.
NIMASA’s MoU with the Nigerian Navy and the Nigerian Air Force to enhance water patrol and aerial surveillance of Nigeria’s maritime domain has been very successful".
Meanwhile, y.our Kondor -E means E for Export, and export version different from the original top quality Russian Kondor, South Africa got what you have always talked about on this forum....
Russian made export versions of equipment for 3rd world countries, INFERIOR MONKEY MODELS.....it will give you low quality Baboon images and photographs, South Africa has been R.aped by Russia
TOP QUALITY IMAGE BY NIGERIAN MILITARY USE SATELLITE SHOWING AIRPORT, ALL AIRCRAFT CLEARLY VISIBLE
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Augustus.
This debate has been long over.
Specifications have been compared.
Your satelights are low quality ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH platforms.
Ours is a military platform.
Specs have been compared - ours has better resolution and can penetrate all weather types.
Russia built your satellite 100% . No single South African engineer was involved. Russia kept away all the technical secrets from your ugly faces.
Nigerian engineers built Nigeria's second satellite, we know all the technological secrets.
South Africa got export version which makes it an inferior MONKEY MODEL and just an ordinary surveillance satellite NOT a spy sat.
Many countries around the world have radar cloud penetrating satellites and they are not telling lies that it is a spy satellite.
SIPRI clearly lists those who got Spy satellites called Recce satellites....Morocco, Taiwan, Turkey etc.
According to SIPRI military experts, South Africa got an ordinary Surveillance satellite like other countries like Nigeria did before you, the only problem is that yours is an inferior MONKEY MODEL that produces BABOON IMAGES
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database Information generated: 21 March 2015
Supplier/ Year Year(s) No. recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/ or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments
Supplier/ Year Year(s) No. recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/ or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments
France R: Morocco 2 Helios-2 Recce satellite 2013 EUR500-585m deal; designation uncertain (reported as 'observation satellites'); delivery 2017-2018
Peru 1 Astrosat-300 Surveillance satellite 2014 PEN597 m ($203 m) deal (offsets incl technology transfers); delivery 2016
[size=16pt] South Africa has a mere basic monkey model ordinary surveillance satellite [/size]
According to SIPRI military experts, South Africa got an ordinary Surveillance satellite like other countries like Nigeria did before you, the only problem is that yours is an inferior MONKEY MODEL that produces BABOON IMAGES tongue tongue
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database Information generated: 21 March 2015
Supplier/ Year Year(s) No. recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/ or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments
Supplier/ Year Year(s) No. recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/ or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments
France R: Morocco 2 Helios-2 Recce satellite 2013 EUR500-585m deal; designation uncertain (reported as 'observation satellites'); delivery 2017-2018
Peru 1 Astrosat-300 Surveillance satellite 2014 PEN597 m ($203 m) deal (offsets incl technology transfers); delivery 2016
Your Southie nation is proved NOT to be on the list of thoe who got spy or reconnaissance satellites like Morocco
Surveillance NOT Spy satellite.... MONKEY MODEL inferior surveillance satellite for wretched ANC republic !
Augustus
Where does it say that Surveilance =/= Spy?
Lets consult the dictionary:
surveillance [ser-vey-luh ns, -veyl-yuh ns] noun 1. a watch kept over a person, group, etc., especially over a suspect, prisoner, or the like: The suspects were under police surveillance. 2. continuous observation of a place, person, group, or ongoing activity in order to gather information: video cameras used for covert surveillance. See also electronic surveillance. 3. attentive observation, as to oversee and direct someone or something: increased surveillance of patients with chronic liver disease.
Word Origin and History for surveillance n. 1802, from French surveillance "oversight, supervision, a watch," noun of action from surveiller "oversee, watch," from sur- "over" + veiller "to watch," from Latin vigilare, from vigil "watchful" (see vigil ). Seemingly a word of the Terror in France. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/surveillance
Surveillance and Spy are synonyms, you illiterate cassava muncher
In WVR combat of short range missiles, everybody dies at the same rate because, pilots are too close and missiles will hit targets in 10 seconds. Forget maneuverability if your pilots are not trained to exercise superior split second judgement and decision making. NAF has a modern and deadly PL-9 missile with 90% kill probability.
The advantage of the Su-30 in WVR combat will only come in a gun fight with aircraft cannon after both sides have finished wasting their missiles with ECM like flares and chaff self defences. Then your Su-30 will defeat an F-7 with better Su-30 maneuverability, it will also beat the South African Gripen jet because of the Gripen's poor maneuverability that is on par with the F-7. The Gripen is no good without BVR missiles and the South Africans have NO single BVR missile.
I will rank air to air combat capability thus :
1. Angola 2. Nigeria & South Africa .
Augustus
Who said that planes die at the same rate in WVR?
Who said the Gripen is only as maneuverable as an F-7?
Are you seriously saying your COPY of a jet that first flew in 1955 is as maneuverable as a 4th Gen fighter?
When missiles are wasted and finished, jet fighters turn to cannon/gun fight. No 4th generation aircraft in this world will defeat an Su-30 Flanker in a gun fight where super-maneuverability is the ONLY deciding factor for victory.
Show us how Gripen jet will handle Su-30 cobra movement-super maneuverability ! Angola will demolish South Africa in less than 1 minute !
dacostaANG: I wanna start of by comparing current Air power of Angola, South Africa, Nigeria.
First of all I would like to ask my brothers from Nigeria if there air force has the capability to take Angola on in a dogfight between SU-30K's vs F-7 currently in service of our respective nations.
Let me be honest with you. If you want real answers, and a good honest debate.....dont waste your time on this forum. I mean someone has already answered you and managed to sneak this in...."Gripen is on par with F-7". Don't know how clued up you are on the matter, but thats the quality of answer you're going to get.
In WVR combat of short range missiles, everybody dies at the same rate because, pilots are too close and missiles will hit targets in 10 seconds. Forget maneuverability if your pilots are not trained to exercise superior split second judgement and decision making. NAF has a modern and deadly PL-9 missile with 90% kill probability.
The advantage of the Su-30 in WVR combat will only come in a gun fight with aircraft cannon after both sides have finished wasting their missiles with ECM like flares and chaff self defences. Then your Su-30 will defeat an F-7 with better Su-30 maneuverability, it will also beat the South African Gripen jet because of the Gripen's poor maneuverability that is on par with the F-7. The Gripen is no good without BVR missiles and the South Africans have NO single BVR missile.
I will rank air to air combat capability thus :
1. Angola 2. Nigeria & South Africa .
surely you have never seen gripen in the air. It is fast, manoeuvrable and powerful. The gripen has advantage over SU-3O because of its seize and detection system. Gripen is as well a stealth fighter and thus I will give it a win over the SU-30.
When missiles are wasted and finished, jet fighters turn to cannon/gun fight. No 4th generation aircraft in this world will defeat an Su-30 Flanker in a gun fight where super-maneuverability is the ONLY deciding factor for victory.
Show us how Gripen jet will handle Su-30 cobra movement-super maneuverability ! Angola will demolish South Africa in less than 1 minute !
That trick and it is a trick will not allow the SU to evade a lock. In fact the drop of speed means it becomes a easier target. The cobra is a air show trick that is all.
What do you mean non existent? it was there the whole time, go read the description of the video, there were 2 oryx and 1 A109 on this particular relief effort,thus all the images where you see the 2 Oryx in flight, it means the footage was taken from the A109.
But it was not needed. The job could have been done by a second Oryx or even a caravan far better.
Same story I posted and same facts. Ganboru is a border town close to Cameroon, in military warfare there is what we call AOR....Area Of Responsibility, Nigerian army HQ has told Chad to stay only at border towns on a few locations and block cross border Boko Haram escapees. Gamboru has been given to Chad as AOR, Nigeria does NOT need to deploy troops there when Chad is mandated to hold that border town as MJNTF rules require. Chad left it's AOR.....foolish army of rag tag rebels with no helmet, clothed in caravan traders headgear !
ONLY A FOOLISH ARMY LIBERATES A TOWN AND LEAVES WITHOUT MAINTAINING A GARRISON FORCE LEFT BEHIND TO HOLD THE TOWN.....battlefield rules of invasion number I
Those Chadian troops are rag tag rebels who did not attend military academy, so they lost what they got initially. Why did they go back after realizing their mistake? They did so to avoid embarrassment because the world will say Chad won a town in February and lost the same town to Boko Haram in March
That proves to you that Chad will do 5 % and nothing more, with 2,500 troops and ZERO air force, you can NEVER win a war on a land mass the size of Scotland with that tiny rag tag army.
Nigeria army liberated 40 towns, show me one that Boko Haram has dared to go back and attack after Nigeria beat them blue black, show me one !
Chadian army is a fluke, a flash in the pan.....all na wash
Nigerian army wins 40 towns and places garrison to hold all 40 towns.....masters of military strategy ! Israel is saluting us ! .
THE ONLY HONEST TRUTH THAT THE WORLD KNOWS FROM RUSSIA, UK, CHINA, JAPAN AND AMERICA IS THAT SA MERCENARIES WON THE BATTLE FOR YOU AND YOU LATER CAME IN TO CLAIM VICTORY WHICH YOU NEVER FOUGHT FOR. THE SA MERCENARIES WHICH ARE CURRENTLY YOUR FIGHTING MACHINE WILL ONE DAY LEAVE NIGERIA AND WE WILL SEE THE REAL NIGERIAN ARMY FIGHTING BOKO HARAM.
surely you have never seen gripen in the air. It is fast, manoeuvrable and powerful. The gripen has advantage over SU-3O because of its seize and detection system. Gripen is as well a stealth fighter and thus I will give it a win over the SU-30.
surely you have never seen gripen in the air. It is fast, manoeuvrable and powerful. The gripen has advantage over SU-3O because of its seize and detection system. Gripen is as well a stealth fighter and thus I will give it a win over the SU-30.
The ranking will go as follows:
South Africa- Gripen Angola- SU-30 Nigeria- F7
GRIPEN IS A WINNER.
GRIPEN JAS 39 is generally a better fighter than SU-30 flanker in terms of Manuevrability, Radar detection system and stealth capability. That means the gripen pilot will detect SU-30 about 30KM before the SU-30 pilot can ever realise that Gripen is there. That means a Gripen pilot has an advantage over SU-30 over stealth and thus can plan his attack ahead
When missiles are wasted and finished, jet fighters turn to cannon/gun fight. No 4th generation aircraft in this world will defeat an Su-30 Flanker in a gun fight where super-maneuverability is the ONLY deciding factor for victory.
Show us how Gripen jet will handle Su-30 cobra movement-super maneuverability ! Angola will demolish South Africa in less than 1 minute !
Dude! your posting airshow tricks while im talking about actual combat. The Gripen has a wing loading of 283 kg/m2 meaning it can turn tighter than any fighter in the world! I urge you to find a modern fighter with a lower wing loadig!
Same story I posted and same facts. Ganboru is a border town close to Cameroon, in military warfare there is what we call AOR....Area Of Responsibility, Nigerian army HQ has told Chad to stay only at border towns on a few locations and block cross border Boko Haram escapees. Gamboru has been given to Chad as AOR, Nigeria does NOT need to deploy troops there when Chad is mandated to hold that border town as MJNTF rules require. Chad left it's AOR.....foolish army of rag tag rebels with no helmet, clothed in caravan traders headgear !
ONLY A FOOLISH ARMY LIBERATES A TOWN AND LEAVES WITHOUT MAINTAINING A GARRISON FORCE LEFT BEHIND TO HOLD THE TOWN.....battlefield rules of invasion number I
Those Chadian troops are rag tag rebels who did not attend military academy, so they lost what they got initially. Why did they go back after realizing their mistake? They did so to avoid embarrassment because the world will say Chad won a town in February and lost the same town to Boko Haram in March
That proves to you that Chad will do 5 % and nothing more, with 2,500 troops and ZERO air force, you can NEVER win a war on a land mass the size of Scotland with that tiny rag tag army.
Nigeria army liberated 40 towns, show me one that Boko Haram has dared to go back and attack after Nigeria beat them blue black, show me one !
Chadian army is a fluke, a flash in the pan.....all na wash
Nigerian army wins 40 towns and places garrison to hold all 40 towns.....masters of military strategy ! Israel is saluting us ! .
