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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:37pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
DieVluit: In Nigeria, when a student asks for a Thesaurus, his teacher responds with "Oga, de dinosaur be extinct!" 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:40pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. Yes, a twin engine air-superiority fighter like the Su30 should be able to defeat the Gripen. 2. Video's dont prove anything. Provide statistics 3. Our missiles are better (i have shown this) 4. You dont work with anyone, you live in your parents basement. Give us stats augugubgugug No one is talking about Su30's... we are talking about F-7's and we want to know how you prove it is more maneuverable than the Gripen And as for video's... show us the F-7 doing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHwVJY5TyW0&t=42 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:44pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Patchesagain: You are the Jackass, the oxford dictionary calls the surveillance man an OBSERVER....observation satellite....then calls the target a suspected spy....So Oxford defines surveillance as CLOSE OBSERVATION not spying ![]() ![]() Your definition is the exact OPPOSITE of Oxford dictionary, that was why I asked you to use it. So I let you wreck your own claims....according to oxford dictionary : Surveillance satellite = Observer Target being watched = Suspected spy CASE CLOSED ![]() ![]() . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:45pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
DieVluit: Is it true that you are female ? 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:46pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Patchesagain: F-7 is NOT = MiG-21. Gripen has canards. F-7 has new swept delta wing and vertical fin stabilizer . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:47pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: Ok, since i am having to teach you what you should have been taught primary-school English class Spying and Surveilance are synonyms What is a synonym? syn·o·nym ˈsinəˌnim/Submit noun a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close. Get it into your skull 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:49pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: The Soviets licenced the manufacture of the MiG-21F and its engine to China in 1961, and assembly of the first J-7 (Jianjiji-7 Fighter aircraft 7) using Chinese-made components began early 1964 http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mig-21.htm J-7 = F-7 F-7 = Mig-21 Have fun in your 60 year old jet And, FYI, the first delta wing flew in 1931 http://books.google.co/books?id=ESgDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA65&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 3:52pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: Yet the Cobra trick is only done for shows and it has never been explained how it is of any use in combat. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:03pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Nope, someone is talking about Su-30 jets here and you South Africans are running away from the new Angolan man here. LOL ![]() ![]() Any time South Africans hear the word 'ANGOLA' they shake and tremble ![]() ![]() dacostaANG: . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:04pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Something to take in to acount is the gripen both turning out of guns aim or a lock from a seeker while maintaining speed. The flankers cobra drops the air speed to stall speed and does not manvour any where. It is a trick. Like a my um boats ability to do donoughts. Not usefully in combat at all. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:05pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: Angola is our ally. We more likely to fly with them than against them. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:09pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: Su30 is a monster, a twin engined air superiority fighter. No one denies this, america developed the F-22 simply to counter it (even though the F-15SE is more than capable of doing so) But, the argument is no longer who is the strongest in africa (that was settled in the second post of the first page) It is now about who is better, South Africa or Nigeria 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:09pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
andrewza: Cobra is for evasion, dog fight and gun fight. You call it a trick only because your Gripen cannot do cobra . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:12pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
andrewza: Is Nigeria going to war against South Africa? We are both allies under AU, we saved your Mandela and Mbeki. The Angolan man has challenged you, answer his Su-30 vs Gripen question. dacostaANG: . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:15pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: How does dropping your air speed to stall levels, maintain your flight path and exposeing more of aircraft including the pilot to danger aid in a fight. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:19pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: Angola would be brought to heel with a submarine |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 4:19pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Why SA’s nuclear stash worries US March 17 2015 at 10:32am By Douglas Birch and R Jeffrey Smith The US is concerned about the security of a quarter-ton of uranium stored near Pretoria, which it fears could fall into the wrong hands, write Douglas Birch and R Jeffrey Smith. Washington - Enough nuclear explosive to fuel half a dozen bombs, each powerful enough to obliterate central Washington or most of Lower Manhattan, is locked in a former silver vault at Pelindaba, the nuclear research centre near Pretoria. Technicians extracted the highly enriched uranium from the apartheid regime’s nuclear weapons in 1990, then melted the fuel down and cast it into ingots. Over the years, some of the cache has been used to make medical isotopes, but roughly 220kg remains, and South Africa is keeping a tight grip on it. That gives this country – which has insisted that the US and other world powers destroy their nuclear arsenals – a theoretical ability to regain its former status as a nuclear-weapons state. But what really worries the US is that the nuclear explosives could be stolen and used by militants to commit a catastrophic terrorist attack. Senior current and former US officials say they have reason to be concerned. On a cold night in November 2007, two teams of raiders breached the fences at Pelindaba, which is set in the rolling scrubland half an hour’s drive west of Pretoria. One group penetrated deep into the site unchallenged and broke into the site’s central alarm station. They were stopped only when a substitute watch officer summoned help. The episode remains a source of contention between Pretoria and Washington because no suspects were ever charged with the raid, and South African officials dismissed it as a minor, bungled burglary. US officials and experts – backed up by a confidential South African security report – say to the contrary that the assailants appeared to know what they were doing and what they wanted: the bomb-grade uranium. They also say the raid came perilously close to succeeding. The episode still spooks Washington, which as a result has waged a discreet diplomatic campaign to persuade South Africa to get rid of its large and, by US reckoning, highly vulnerable stock of nuclear-weapons fuel. But President Jacob Zuma, like his predecessors, has resisted the White House’s persistent entreaties and generous incentives to do so, for reasons that have baffled and enormously frustrated the Americans. President Barack Obama, in a previously undisclosed private letter sent to Zuma in August 2011, went so far as to propose that South Africa transform its nuclear explosives into benign reactor fuel, with US help. Zuma was allegedly unmoved, however, and in a letter of his own, is said to have insisted that South Africa needed its nuclear materials and was capable of keeping them secure. He did not accept a related appeal from Obama two years later, current and former senior US officials said. Over nine years ending in 1965, Washington helped South Africa build its first nuclear reactor under the Atoms for Peace programme and then trained scientists to run it with US-supplied, weapons-grade uranium fuel. Washington finally cut off the fuel supply in 1976, after becoming convinced the apartheid regime had used nuclear research to create a clandestine bomb programme, fuelled by its own highly enriched uranium. By the end of the Cold War, apartheid leaders ordered the weapons destroyed and the production facilities dismantled, while holding on to the explosive fuel. Raising the threat of nuclear terror, South African officials say, is an excuse to restrict the spread of peaceful and profitable nuclear technology to the developing world, and to South Africa in particular. But this demand for enrichment rights – which Tehran, too, wants enshrined in an agreement with six great powers – is hardly South Africa’s alone. Although the Obama administration has tried to discourage uranium enrichment everywhere, leaders in Brazil, Argentina, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Vietnam, Jordan and South Korea say they see nuclear power, along with the ability to enrich uranium, as their right. Unlike Iran, however, South Africa already possesses highly enriched uranium – nearly a quarter-ton of it. That’s why current and former US officials say South Africa is now the world’s largest unco-operative holder of nuclear explosives, outside the nine existing nuclear powers. Few outside the weapons states possess such a large stockpile of prime weapons material, and none has been as defiant of US pressure to give it up. In response last week, the South African government reaffirmed its view that the November 2007 break-in was a run-of-the-mill burglary and asserted that the weapons uranium was safe. “We are aware that there has been a concerted campaign to undermine us by turning the reported burglary into a major risk,” said Clayson Monyela, spokesman for the Department of International Relations and Co-operation. He said the International Atomic Energy Agency had raised no concerns, and that “attempts by anyone to manufacture rumours … are rejected with the contempt they deserve”. Highly enriched uranium is the terrorists’ nuclear explosive of choice. A bomb’s worth could fit in a five-pound sack and emit so little radiation that it could be carried around in a backpack with little hazard to the wearer. Physicists say a sizeable nuclear blast could be readily achieved by slamming two shaped chunks of it together at high speed. Just nine non-nuclear weapon states besides South Africa still have enough enriched uranium to build a nuclear weapon, although mostly not in a readily usable form. For South Africa, though, maintaining a grip on its bomb fuel is tangled up with national pride, its suspicion of big power motivations and its anger over Washington’s past half-measures in opposing apartheid. “It’s a technical issue with an emotional overhang,” said Donald Gips, the US ambassador to South Africa from 2009 to 2013. Other South Africans have said that by refusing to let go of its uranium, the country retains the higher political and scientific stature of a country such as Japan, which is considered “nuclear weapons-capable” while possessing none. Obama raised the nuclear issue again during a trip to Pretoria in June 2013. This time, he privately asked Zuma to relinquish the uranium trove in exchange for a free shipment of 350kg of fresh, non-weapons-usable reactor fuel, valued at $5 million (R60m). Obama followed up with a three-page letter in December 2013, two days after he spoke to Zuma at Nelson Mandela’s memorial service in Soweto. According to a copy of the letter, he urged Zuma to seal this new deal at a March 2014 nuclear summit in the Netherlands. Although technical experts held preliminary talks, Zuma never accepted the swop. South Africa has used some of the former bomb fuel to make medical and industrial isotopes – generating more than R1 billion in income a year. But about six years ago, it started making the isotopes with low-enriched uranium that poses little proliferation risk – a development that removed its long-standing rationale for keeping the materials. South Africa says it is retaining the weapons uranium partly because some day someone may find a new, as-yet-undiscovered, commercial application. If and when one was found, a senior South African diplomat said in an interview, “it’ll be like Opec to the power of 10” – states without the material would be at the mercy of a cartel of foreign suppliers. Abdul Minty, who served for most of the past two decades as South Africa’s top nuclear policymaker and who is now South Africa's ambassador to UN agencies headquartered in Geneva, said rather it was the US that was recalcitrant. Even as it campaigned to halt the spread of nuclear weapons, he said, it refused to part with its own. Stocks of fissile materials held by countries outside the small club of nuclear-weapons states, he said, were just “not that important” a threat, compared with the thousands of nuclear weapons held by the bigger powers. “People who smoke can’t tell someone else not to smoke,” Minty said. Waldo Stumpf, a long-time atomic energy official in South Africa who presided over the dismantling of the apartheid-era bomb programme, said in an interview that handing over the highly enriched uranium “was never part of the thinking here”. “Not within Mr de Klerk’s government. Not afterwards, when the ANC took over,” he said. “Why would we give away a commercially valuable material that has earned a lot of foreign exchange? Why would we do that?” * This article comes from the Centre for Public Integrity, a non-partisan, non-profit investigative news organisation. ** The views expressed here are not necessarily those of Independent Media. Washington Post 2 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:21pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: Its a trick done at low altitude at low airspeed LOW ALITUTDE LOW AIRSPEED Plus, Gripen can do the High Yo-Yo which counters the Cobra 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:22pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Citation Needed . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:23pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
andrewza: Angolan army and air force will invade your country will capture Jacob Zuma alive and South Africa will surrender in 7 days . 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:26pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: Yeah Because they did so well last time 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:28pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Yeah, RSA surrendered at UN peace meeting last time 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:30pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: We forced the Cubans out of Angola and got the Russians to stop supplying aid to them. We got what we wanted. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:35pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: Through thousands of kilometres of nothing they will have to March. Being harrased all the way. SA fights a mobile warfare doctrine. Never hold ground longer than need only fight when you want to where you want to. Why do you think we need the largest shooting range in the southern hemisphere and The second largest. Our army is about mobility. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 4:36pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
frumentius:Yes bro, i dont know if you read the topic of this thread but here we discus only military related issues or issues that have an impact on respective militaries around the word...so you can take your political bullsh1t to the appropriate thread, which btw isnt this one. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 4:37pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: ? We agreed to agreement where all none Angolan forces would leave Angola. Including Cuba. They had more men and longer distance hence there time table was greater. But they all so agreed to pull out. So how was is a surrender. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 4:53pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Patchesagain:Yes mate the Gripen has a much much lower wing loading than any 4+ Fighter on the market including the EF,Rafale,f22,su35 ect ect An Aircraft with a lower wing loading will have more lift available at any given speed. Therefore, an aircraft with lower wing loading will be able to take off and land at a lower speed (or be able to take off with a greater load). It will also be able to turn faster and have a better claim rate. Thus twin engine or not, the gripen is one(if not thee) of most maneuverable fighters today, and Definitely more maneuvrable than the Su30 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 5:10pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: Oh my God! You PROVED it by watching videos?? Oh my goodness....how embarassing ![]() ![]() So when the Nigerian Air Force generals look for a new jets to replace F-7 they go onto youtube? Lmao! Gripen and F-7 are not in the same class at all. Completely different generation of jets. Fact. Waste your own time and google it. Even Beegeagle says your F-7's are crap. Waste of time. So waste your own time, not mine. Gripen will utterly and completely r.ape F-7. Any missile you manage to fire at us will be shot down in self defence, which Iris-T and A-Darter can do.You will be r.aped....fact. Add to that....Nigeria has 3rd generation PL-9C missiles. Range is 22km. IRIS-T has a range of 25km. We will shoot you down before you even have the chance to fire at us. SA Airforce safe if missiles fired from max range SA Airforce safe if missiles fired from close range SA Airfirce safe if guns are needed at close range CASE CLOSED 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 5:38pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
andrewza:You cant compare the Oryx and A109.The A109 is a small LUH were as the Oryx is a medium transport helicopter. And SAAFs A109 as they are fitted currently, can carry out tasks such as light passenger and cargo transport, patrolling and reconnaissance, liaison and command, medical evacuation, even light attack and antitank, escort and area suppression. If you want to do that with the Oryx you are going to have to spend millions on modifications, not to mention the impact it will have on its primary role as a medium/troop tranporter. And the operating costs for the Oryx per hour is more than double than that of an A109. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 5:49pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
jl115: In terms of run cost and complexity they pretty close. All those jobs can be done by the Oryx. Most of the ground work was done when developing the rooivalk. The Oryx can all ready load a 20mm has a door gun. All systems the French and other pumas can have so can ours. A cheaper to run simply to fly chopper was what we needed. The A109 is none of those. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:11pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
DieVluit: DieVluit is it true that you are female ? . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 6:12pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: What are you on about? |
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