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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:20pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
saengine: Nope, SAAF has NO A-Darter missile in service. By the time you induct A-Darter we will have NAF JF-17 Thunder. A-Darter has same problem with PL-9C....short range 22 km. We die together ! SAAF = NAF in air to air combat. SAAF has zero air to ground combat experience with Gripen and Hawk jets, NAF has flown over 2,000 air to ground combat sorties in 3 months. SAAF is 66 years behind NAF in ISTAR capability. SAAF has NO SINGLE air to surface missile, NAF has 30 air to surface missiles. SAAF will NAF's next Ra.pe victim after Boko Haram ![]() ![]() NOW CASE PROPERLY CLOSED ! . 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:27pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
[size=16pt] . Nigerian Air Force Joins The Big Club Of The Few In Africa : Enter The 30 Units Of AR-1 Air To Surface Missiles ! [/size]
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 6:50pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: Lmao! Talk about completely changing the topic after you see you've been defeated. From F-7 jets to air to surface missiles. Did you not see me specifically talking about Iris-T missiles as well? You will have JF-17, with missiles, with fully trained pilots within the next 2-3 months?? Let me bookmark this page to embarrass you later. You are completely delusional. Infact you are not delusional....you are simply being a troll. A-Darter and Iris-T missiles are also self defence missiles. Yours are not. Your jets have no way to defend themselves. Gripen will completely and utterly out maneuver F-7 jets.....fact. Like i have told you before, go stand in an open field/bush/covering and see if our "unexperienced" Gripen and Hawk pilots wont hit you. Turn you to minced meat. Come fly your surveillance aircraft over Pretoria and see if a Hawk jet with simple guns wont shoot it down. Zero protection whatsoever. You can only spy on Boko Haram, and no country with a slightly modern air force. You yourself have said this on Beegeagle blog. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 7:17pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
saengine: Spew more garbage, you have freedom of speech on Nairaland. NAF PL-9C missile has it's own inbuilt ECM, it's a modern missile....with 90% kill probability....Your Gripens short range misses forces SAAF to fly into no-escape-kill-zone. NAF ATR-42 flies with F-7 jet escort, and 330 km range radar, it sees all SANDF activities out of range of your 1 km ceiling Starstreak SAMS. We will oppress your ZERO experienced pilots and soldiers....SANDF is a virtual-online-internet-web based military. Come back for a debate when your impotent photo-club SAAF has flown one half of NAF's 6,000 combat sorties, like these.... . 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 7:40pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust: Waste of Internet. PL-9 has zero self defence function. The only killing that will happen Gripen vs F-7 is a dead Nigerian pilot. No need to waste Starstreak missiles on ATR-42. ATR-42 can even have 500km range radar if it makes you happy. Gripen will fire from 24km out....turn those men to minced meat. Steak and kidney pies. Those planes are only good for the likes of Boko Haram. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:26pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust:. So? You can't even deploy them against well equipped forces. I don't see you making the list. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by jl115: 11:29pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
andrewza:Cost per hour: Oryx=R60000 A109=<R30000 www.iol.co.za/the-star/arms-deal-choppers-not-utilised-1.1576630#.VQ9B5NKUfIQ |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:35pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Henry120: A bigger helicopter is more expensive to run. You can't be sending a medium sized helicopter to pick up one injured soldiers. Yes, well trained air force pilots like SAAF are trained for special forces mission. If they come under attack? They'll have to fight their way out SA SF have done this many times. There is a need for a helicopter the size of the A109 for light cargo and other tasks which don't require a bigger helicopter. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:48pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Including the Ingwe missile and the H2 glide bomb. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:52pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: The whole SANDF has NO SINGLE air to surface missile, NAF has 30 ! SANDF is obsolete ![]() ![]() . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 11:54pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
agaugust:They can be easily destroyed. They had massive air defence systems during the war in the 80s. They had to bring in mercinaries to deal with UNITA. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:56pm On Mar 22, 2015 |
saengine: [size=13pt]PL-9 missile is for 4th generation fighters, it has ECM, nobody builds modern missiles in that class, for almost a million dollars per missile with no internal ECM. Even 1980s Otomat missile has ECM. F-7NI jets of NAF have a near BVR missile, the PL-9C and the range is 35 km. http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html A-Darter range is very poor at 20 km and even shorter than PL-9 range 35 km. F-7 kills Gripen from extra 15 km distance away. When SAAF flies it's first combat jet mission since 20 years ago, come back talk to us. NAF flew 6,000 combat missions in the past 6 months. We are NOT in your league of redundant sit at home air forces with poor range air to air missiles. NAF has near BVR air to air missile....PL-9C....range 35 km SAAF air force is dead....((((((( BOOM )))))) .[/size] . 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 12:00am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust:But SAAF can deploy its air power in a contested air space, while NAF can't. An air force tailored for rebel fights. Your air force can't defend two Nigerian states. Uganda has anti-radiation missiles does that mean they're more powerful than SA? NOPE! 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 12:11am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust:Using its 4th generation characteristics the Gripen would eat the F-7 by intercepting them flying low from their flanks. The Gripen will always have a upper hand and a superior situational awareness. Can be supported by air force radars and army GBADS, bringing a radar coverage of than 400km. Again your F-7 can't operate at night and during bad weather, so they'll be destroyed on the ground at night. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 12:41am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: Waste of data. Waste of internet. Waste of space. Your personal opinions are irrelevant. A Darter/Iris-T can hit incoming missiles - engineering fact PL-9 cannot hit incoming missiles - engineering fact Gripen will completely and utterly destroy F-7 - engineering fact Your opinion =/= engineering fact Your opinion = pathetic, attention seeking stunt Name one 4th generation jet that uses PL-9 missiles operationally. F-7 jet =/= 4th generation. You have a 3rd generation missile, for a 3rd generation jet. Which will be completely demolished by Gripen. Basic fact. Deal with it. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:48am On Mar 23, 2015 |
saengine: JF-17 Thunder Block II and J-10 Vigorous Dragon jets use PL-9 missiles. PL-9C kill probability in combat is 90%. Stop spewing shiiit here . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:56am On Mar 23, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: You Southies are a bunch of illiterates, F-7 jets have had all-weather combat capabilities since 1988 ! Fools ! "The J-7M's design was certified and adopted in 1988, giving the J-7 family an aircraft with all-weather capabilities. The successful development of the J-7M shows that it is feasible to import advanced foreign airborne equipment to improve the performance of domestic aircraft and thus to promote exports." http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/j-7m.htm You think Pakistan will field a jet that is not all weather against mighty India? You think Nigeria will buy a $ 15 million jet that is not all weather capable? Mumu domingoes, all of you in Soweto are mumustic mumus ![]() ![]() F-7 jet is all weather with Italian Grifo Radar. A-Darter cannot destroy a small air to air missile, it was tested ONLY against a Skua drone, big drone ! SAAF has ZERO A-Darter missiles today, so no argument, you DON'T have it. Nigeria too has ground radars with 500 km range, so don't bring ground radar to this air to air battle. SAAF Gripen jet missile range 25 km . NAF F-7 jet missile range 35 km....almost BVR. South African air force is dead from a near BVR distance, your pilots wont even see Nigerian F-7 jet from our BVR position 37 km away, we fire missile at 35 km away.....Mandela will weep inside his grave as we demolish his air force ![]() ![]() . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 1:00am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: Perhaps you think you are talking to a group of 5 year olds who cant read. This post proves you a mentally sick, attention seeking fraud. 35 km range = surface to air variant of PL-9C missile. 22km range = air to air variant F00l Did you not read your own link? Are you mentally sick? Look at the red box in your screengrab. Just next to it....what does it say?? ALTITUTE LIMIT 6.5km. What kind of air to air missile has an ALTITUDE LIMIT of only 6.5km?? Gripen pilots will fly at 22 000 feet, shoot your rust buckets down, while chatting to their wives on whatsapp. And there will be nothing you can do about it. You see how you have been sent to your hole? How your stupi.dity has been exposed? Waste of space. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:48am On Mar 23, 2015 |
saengine: Nope, you are the victim of Soweto breed sub-standard South African education. Fool, it is the same missile PL-9C fired as air to air OR air to ground, same missile, same specifications NO difference in the missile itself. Show me where army recognition says the air launch and ground launch PL-9C have different maximum ranges, show me below... http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html The fuel load inside a missile determines it's range, the fuel load is the same in both variants, there is no small size or big size PL-9C missile, they are both same capacity and same 115 kg weight, same fuel load, and your science is too poor to let you know that fuel load determines range of a traveling rocket propellant. 22 km is used for air to air usual range, 35 km is the maximum effective range air to air or ground to air. That is why army recognition data says Range = 22 km, Maximum Range = 35 km. You thought I did not read army recognition analysis before I posted it? Mumu domingo ![]() ![]() http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html PL-9C = PL-9C no matter the launcher system you use. Fool, altitude only applies when the PL-9C is fired from the ground based launcher, the missile is used both as air to air. and ground to air combat. The ground launch had ceiling or altitude because the fire control radar is fixed on ground, the air launch is at any altitude the the jet fighter can fly to, F-7 flies at almost 18 km altitude and is BETTER than the Gripen 15 km altitude. Use your coconut head when you read. F-7 jet has superior altitude to the Gripen so NAF can fire missiles at SAAF from over your fvcking coconut heads above your level ! F-7 jet missile range 35 km near BVR Gripen jet missile range 25 km short range ! NAF kills SAAF.....I have rattled you Southies into sweating and fainting mode today ![]() ![]() . 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 6:01am On Mar 23, 2015 |
jl115: Oryx carries over 3 times the man power for only double the cost. Point made. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 6:13am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: Wow...you've actually gone and made this entire thing up. My goodness You actually sat there and typed and typed and typed. Came up with a whole new form of missile engineering in your head, all by yourself. You must be so proud! http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.181/pub_detail.asp "By the mid 1990s China’s main missile maker Luoyang had developed the PL-9, which took the fuselage of the Python-3, attached different guidance fins, and incorporated a copy of the Ukrainian Arsenel helmet sight, called the TK-14 in Chinese service, to make a new AAM.[6] The latest PL-9C features an increase in range of 22km, up from 15km for the PL-9, PL-8 and Python-3 AAMs." Mr Missile Engineer. If surface-air PL-9 had been developed in the 80's, what was Luoyang missile maker doing "developing" the air-air variant in the 90's? Accoring to you its the exact same missile. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by dacostaANG: 6:15am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: My brother I'm not here to boost my country's ego or to play games by claiming untruth's. There are a lot of falsehoods in your statements above. 1) There's no such thing as we both die in air combat if opposing forces only engage each other with short range missiles a) the generation of aircraft needs to be considered b) the avionic suit. c) type of missile d) jammering and radar systems e) training and experience of the pilots. All these facts will determine the out come of a dog fight between aircraft concerned. 2)The SAAF Gripen overall is better then the most current versions of the SU-30 even better then the SU-30MKI the only down side of the SAAF Gripen's are the lack of BVR but there onboard missile detection systems more then makes up for there absence of a dedicated BVR. 3) The PL-9 is an inferior missile compared to the IRST missile system. In conclusion I see no way that any of your statements can be true in the modern world of 4th gen aircrafts. We must learn to put our patty patriotism aside. 6 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 7:03am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: PL-9C has a range of 22 KM. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-9 Your obsolete F7 has a poor detection radar, a very important element in any fighter jet. Any fighter with poor detection radar it means it can not be good for offensive and thus is a bad dog fighter. Griffin has an important element which will detect F7 from over 120 KM away. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS-05/A A Gripen jet will detect your F7 Jets from over 60KM away without your poor pilots realising that the gripen jets are on the nearby. That will serve as an advantage for gripen pilots to launch an attack first. F7 are not a good platform to launch BVR because of the detection radar which has severe limitations. A gripen jet will still defeat F7 jets even if they were armed with BVRs. The BVR require stealth fighters which can detect an enemy aircraft from far distances and often earlier than before it could be detect. Tell me how will it help you to be armed with 60 KM range BVR when your radar is only 25 KMs? That does not make sense. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by dacostaANG: 8:17am On Mar 23, 2015 |
saengine: I work in the aviation industry but I have a air force background and got my training as a technician in the air force. So I consider myself quit clued up on aviation matters, but we all learn and gain insight from discussions. But truly speaking some of the comments on this forum really cracks me up. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 8:45am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: The MIG-21 performs way better than F7s, Compare: http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Military-Aircraft/Fighter-Attack/ |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 8:55am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/surveillance This also might help you. LOSER!! http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellphone_surveillance |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 10:02am On Mar 23, 2015 |
South African Navy is scheduled to fire two Umkhonto vertically launched SAM's today during Exercise Good Hope. Germans will also fire two of their own missiles. Same Umkhonto missiles which a certain someone here (no names mentioned) said are "fake" and dont exist within the SA Navy. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 10:39am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: A-darter enters service this year. Your junk fighter is a flight of fancy A-darter is significantly more advanced than the PLC-9. We can out maneuver and evade your missiles with chaff you cannot do that to the a-darter - so no, you die alone You are insane for thinking the F-7 from the 1950's stands a chance against a 4th generation fighter We dont need experience - we are properly trained, and we have PGM's (which you dont) Your ISTAR platform cannot operate in a contested airspace. Gripen can and is also an ISTAR platform. Your ISTAR is for chasing pirates - not fighting wars You have air to ground missiles? So do we. What you dont have is PGM's - we have 50 in stockpile and full scale production of our glide bomb begins this year Your pathetic peasant airforce stands absolutely no chance. And dont brag about boko-haram - they have basically nothing to defend themselves with. Might as well be bombing targets on the practice feild 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 10:51am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: Nigeria has no PGM's We have 50 and are building more Nigeria has no 4th gen fighters Nigeria has no mobile radar stations Nigeria has no data-link to relay real time data between planes Nigeria has no modern airdefence You dont have an airforce - you have a museum Again - you little boy brain is just like the rest of africa. You get impresses by shiny gifts and trinkets and ignore the systems. SANDF is a perfectly intergraded systsem. The system allways defeats the unit. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 10:53am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: Hey dipshit Ground to air =\= air to air So either: 1. You just tried to lie to us again 2. You are so hilariously stup1d that you didnt realize you were posting a SAM system and not air-to-air Still waiting for you to show us the missiles defencive package Flying sorties against an enemy with no air defence impresses noone. Might as well be bombing empty feilds. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 10:57am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: Citations desperatly needed Also, the Junk Fighter barely scrapes into the 4th gen class 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 10:59am On Mar 23, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. Unless you are talking about groundlaunching the PlC-9 then its range is not BVR 2. What mobile ground search radars do you have? |
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