saengine:


Oh my God! You PROVED it by watching videos?? Oh my goodness....how embarassing . How amazingly embarrassing...wow.

So when the Nigerian Air Force generals look for a new jets to replace F-7 they go onto youtube? Lmao!

Gripen and F-7 are not in the same class at all. Completely different generation of jets. Fact. Waste your own time and google it. Even Beegeagle says your F-7's are crap. Waste of time. So waste your own time, not mine.


Gripen will utterly and completely r.ape F-7. Any missile you manage to fire at us will be shot down in self defence, which Iris-T and A-Darter can do.You will be r.aped....fact.

Add to that....Nigeria has 3rd generation PL-9C missiles. Range is 22km. IRIS-T has a range of 25km. We will shoot you down before you even have the chance to fire at us.


SA Airforce safe if missiles fired from max range
SA Airforce safe if missiles fired from close range
SA Airfirce safe if guns are needed at close range

CASE CLOSED

Nope, SAAF has NO A-Darter missile in service.

By the time you induct A-Darter we will have NAF JF-17 Thunder.

A-Darter has same problem with PL-9C....short range 22 km. We die together !

SAAF = NAF in air to air combat.

SAAF has zero air to ground combat experience with Gripen and Hawk jets, NAF has flown over 2,000 air to ground combat sorties in 3 months.

SAAF is 66 years behind NAF in ISTAR capability.

SAAF has NO SINGLE air to surface missile, NAF has 30 air to surface missiles.

SAAF will NAF's next Ra.pe victim after Boko Haram

NOW CASE PROPERLY CLOSED !
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Enter The 30 Units Of AR-1 Air To Surface Missiles !

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agaugust:


Nope, SAAF has NO A-Darter missile in service.

By the time you induct A-Darter we will have NAF JF-17 Thunder.

A-Darter has same problem with PL-9C....short range 22 km. We die together !

SAAF = NAF in air to air combat.

SAAF has zero air to ground combat experience with Gripen and Hawk jets, NAF has flown over 2,000 air to ground combat sorties in 3 months.

SAAF is 66 years behind NAF in ISTAR capability.

SAAF has NO SINGLE air to surface missile, NAF has 30 air to surface missiles.

SAAF will NAF's next Ra.pe victim after Boko Haram

NOW CASE PROPERLY CLOSED !
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Lmao! Talk about completely changing the topic after you see you've been defeated. From F-7 jets to air to surface missiles.

Did you not see me specifically talking about Iris-T missiles as well?

You will have JF-17, with missiles, with fully trained pilots within the next 2-3 months?? Let me bookmark this page to embarrass you later. You are completely delusional. Infact you are not delusional....you are simply being a troll.

A-Darter and Iris-T missiles are also self defence missiles. Yours are not. Your jets have no way to defend themselves. Gripen will completely and utterly out maneuver F-7 jets.....fact.

Like i have told you before, go stand in an open field/bush/covering and see if our "unexperienced" Gripen and Hawk pilots wont hit you. Turn you to minced meat.

Come fly your surveillance aircraft over Pretoria and see if a Hawk jet with simple guns wont shoot it down. Zero protection whatsoever. You can only spy on Boko Haram, and no country with a slightly modern air force. You yourself have said this on Beegeagle blog.

saengine:


Lmao! Talk about completely changing the topic after you see you've been defeated. From F-7 jets to air to surface missiles.

Did you not see me specifically talking about Iris-T missiles as well?

You will have JF-17, with missiles, with fully trained pilots within the next 2-3 months?? Let me bookmark this page to embarrass you later. You are completely delusional. Infact you are not delusional....you are simply being a troll.

A-Darter and Iris-T missiles are also self defence missiles. Yours are not. Your jets have no way to defend themselves. Gripen will completely and utterly out maneuver F-7 jets.....fact.

Like i have told you before, go stand in an open field/bush/covering and see if our "unexperienced" Gripen and Hawk pilots wont hit you. Turn you to minced meat.

Come fly your surveillance aircraft over Pretoria and see if a Hawk jet with simple guns wont shoot it down. Zero protection whatsoever. You can only spy on Boko Haram, and no country with a slightly modern air force. You yourself have said this on Beegeagle blog.

Spew more garbage, you have freedom of speech on Nairaland.

NAF PL-9C missile has it's own inbuilt ECM, it's a modern missile....with 90% kill probability....Your Gripens short range misses forces SAAF to fly into no-escape-kill-zone.

NAF ATR-42 flies with F-7 jet escort, and 330 km range radar, it sees all SANDF activities out of range of your 1 km ceiling Starstreak SAMS.

We will oppress your ZERO experienced pilots and soldiers....SANDF is a virtual-online-internet-web based military.

Come back for a debate when your impotent photo-club SAAF has flown one half of NAF's 6,000 combat sorties, like these....
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agaugust:


[s]Spew more garbage, you have freedom of speech on Nairaland.

NAF PL-9C missile has it's own inbuilt ECM, it's a modern missile....with 90% kill probability....Your Gripens short range misses forces SAAF to fly into no-escape-kill-zone.

NAF ATR-42 flies with F-7 jet escort, and 330 km range radar, it sees all SANDF activities out of range of your 1 km ceiling Starstreak SAMS.

We will oppress your ZERO experienced pilots and soldiers....SANDF is a virtual-online-internet-web based military.

Come back for a debate when your impotent photo-club SAAF has flown one half of NAF's 6,000 combat sorties, like these....[/s]
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Waste of Internet. PL-9 has zero self defence function. The only killing that will happen Gripen vs F-7 is a dead Nigerian pilot.

No need to waste Starstreak missiles on ATR-42. ATR-42 can even have 500km range radar if it makes you happy. Gripen will fire from 24km out....turn those men to minced meat. Steak and kidney pies. Those planes are only good for the likes of Boko Haram.

agaugust:




No need, it's so clear ! Only one point I will give you....

Nigeria has 30 modern air to surface missiles, South Africa has ZERO !

Leave the rest of the matter in peace.

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. So?

You can't even deploy them against well equipped forces.


I don't see you making the list.

andrewza:


In terms of run cost and complexity they pretty close. All those jobs can be done by the Oryx. Most of the ground work was done when developing the rooivalk. The Oryx can all ready load a 20mm has a door gun. All systems the French and other pumas can have so can ours.

A cheaper to run simply to fly chopper was what we needed. The A109 is none of those.

Cost per hour:
Oryx=R60000
A109=<R30000

www.iol.co.za/the-star/arms-deal-choppers-not-utilised-1.1576630#.VQ9B5NKUfIQ

Henry120:


Mikeczar

1. 20 light mini transport Helicopters cost even more.

2. Exactly, that's why Airforce's around the world buy the Robinson R66 Helicopter. You don't need an expensive inefficient A109 to fulfil pilot training role.

3. What if there are 2 WIA or KIA's, what would then happen?

4. Gazelle helicopters are cheap, nimble, easy to maintain and can carry out the ISR role better than the A109.

5. Small team extraction and infiltration, 4 fully equipped rangers without back-up. Just a mini transport Helicopter... LOL

If they come under attack what happens then?

Mike, there is nothing more.

There is no mission where the A109 would be necessary to deploy. Except if you call carrying service chiefs missions...... this would be just sad, if you do.

Everybody struggles with flying at night and in bad weather. Whether it is a sikorsky seahawk , NH90, MI-171sh, or black-hawk. Pilots generally struggle with flying in low light and bad weather conditions.

Not peculiar to African pilots.

Generally, the A109 is a useless Helicopter with an identity crisis that spends more time in the Hangar than in the Air.

Generally African Airforce and Navies should ordinarily not have any business with this Helicopter. It is a waste of scarce resources.

Only Helicopters with the capability of the Z-9 and above should be considered for Airforce around the continent.

A bigger helicopter is more expensive to run.

You can't be sending a medium sized helicopter to pick up one injured soldiers.

Yes, well trained air force pilots like SAAF are trained for special forces mission.

If they come under attack? They'll have to fight their way out SA SF have done this many times.

There is a need for a helicopter the size of the A109 for light cargo and other tasks which don't require a bigger helicopter.

Patchesagain:


A missile that is intergrated into SANDF systems and owned by the South African government and people.

G6 Rhino was not in service during the battle of Quito Carnival - yet the SADF still deployed it in combat

Including the Ingwe missile and the H2 glide bomb.

MikeCZAR:


Including the Ingwe missile and the H2 glide bomb.

The whole SANDF has NO SINGLE air to surface missile, NAF has 30 !

SANDF is obsolete
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agaugust:


Angolan army and air force will invade your country will capture Jacob Zuma alive and South Africa will surrender in 7 days
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They can be easily destroyed.

They had massive air defence systems during the war in the 80s.

They had to bring in mercinaries to deal with UNITA.

saengine:


Waste of Internet. PL-9 has zero self defence function. The only killing that will happen Gripen vs F-7 is a dead Nigerian pilot.

No need to waste Starstreak missiles on ATR-42. ATR-42 can even have 500km range radar if it makes you happy. Gripen will fire from 24km out....turn those men to minced meat. Steak and kidney pies. Those planes are only good for the likes of Boko Haram.

[size=13pt]PL-9 missile is for 4th generation fighters, it has ECM, nobody builds modern missiles in that class, for almost a million dollars per missile with no internal ECM. Even 1980s Otomat missile has ECM.

F-7NI jets of NAF have a near BVR missile, the PL-9C and the range is 35 km.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

A-Darter range is very poor at 20 km and even shorter than PL-9 range 35 km. F-7 kills Gripen from extra 15 km distance away.

When SAAF flies it's first combat jet mission since 20 years ago, come back talk to us. NAF flew 6,000 combat missions in the past 6 months.

We are NOT in your league of redundant sit at home air forces with poor range air to air missiles.

NAF has near BVR air to air missile....PL-9C....range 35 km

SAAF air force is dead....((((((( BOOM ))))))
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agaugust:


The whole SANDF has NO SINGLE air to surface missile, NAF has 30 !

SANDF is obsolete
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But SAAF can deploy its air power in a contested air space, while NAF can't.

An air force tailored for rebel fights. Your air force can't defend two Nigerian states.

Uganda has anti-radiation missiles does that mean they're more powerful than SA? NOPE!

agaugust:


PL-9 missile is for 4th generation fighters, it has ECM, nobody builds modern missiles in that class, for almost a million dollars per missile with no internal ECM. Even 1980s Otomat missile has ECM.

A-Darter range is 20 km and even shorter than PL-9 range 22 km. F-7 kills Gripe.

When SAAF flies it's first combat jet mission since 20 years ago, come back talk to us. NAF flew 6,000 combat missions in the past 6 months.

We are NOT in your league of redundant sit at home air forces
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Using its 4th generation characteristics the Gripen would eat the F-7 by intercepting them flying low from their flanks.

The Gripen will always have a upper hand and a superior situational awareness.

Can be supported by air force radars and army GBADS, bringing a radar coverage of than 400km.

Again your F-7 can't operate at night and during bad weather, so they'll be destroyed on the ground at night.

agaugust:


[s]PL-9 missile is for 4th generation fighters, it has ECM, nobody builds modern missiles in that class, for almost a million dollars per missile with no internal ECM. Even 1980s Otomat missile has ECM.

A-Darter range is 20 km and even shorter than PL-9 range 22 km. F-7 kills Gripen.

When SAAF flies it's first combat jet mission since 20 years ago, come back talk to us. NAF flew 6,000 combat missions in the past 6 months.

We are NOT in your league of redundant sit at home air forces [/s]
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Waste of data. Waste of internet. Waste of space.

Your personal opinions are irrelevant.

A Darter/Iris-T can hit incoming missiles - engineering fact

PL-9 cannot hit incoming missiles - engineering fact

Gripen will completely and utterly destroy F-7 - engineering fact

Your opinion =/= engineering fact
Your opinion = pathetic, attention seeking stunt


Name one 4th generation jet that uses PL-9 missiles operationally. F-7 jet =/= 4th generation.

You have a 3rd generation missile, for a 3rd generation jet. Which will be completely demolished by Gripen. Basic fact. Deal with it.

saengine:


Waste of data. Waste of internet. Waste of space.

Your personal opinions are irrelevant.

A Darter/Iris-T can hit incoming missiles - engineering fact

PL-9 cannot hit incoming missiles - engineering fact

Gripen will completely and utterly destroy F-7 - engineering fact

Your opinion =/= engineering fact
Your opinion = pathetic, attention seeking stunt


Name one 4th generation jet that uses PL-9 missiles operationally. F-7 jet =/= 4th generation.

You have a 3rd generation missile, for a 3rd generation jet. Which will be completely demolished by Gripen. Basic fact. Deal with it.

JF-17 Thunder Block II and J-10 Vigorous Dragon jets use PL-9 missiles. PL-9C kill probability in combat is 90%. Stop spewing shiiit here
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MikeCZAR:
Using its 4th generation characteristics the Gripen would eat the F-7 by intercepting them flying low from their flanks.

The Gripen will always have a upper hand and a superior situational awareness.

Can be supported by air force radars and army GBADS, bringing a radar coverage of than 400km.

Again your F-7 can't operate at night and during bad weather, so they'll be destroyed on the ground at night.

You Southies are a bunch of illiterates, F-7 jets have had all-weather combat capabilities since 1988 ! Fools !

"The J-7M's design was certified and adopted in 1988, giving the J-7 family an aircraft with all-weather capabilities. The successful development of the J-7M shows that it is feasible to import advanced foreign airborne equipment to improve the performance of domestic aircraft and thus to promote exports."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/j-7m.htm

You think Pakistan will field a jet that is not all weather against mighty India?

You think Nigeria will buy a $ 15 million jet that is not all weather capable? Mumu domingoes, all of you in Soweto are mumustic mumus

F-7 jet is all weather with Italian Grifo Radar.

A-Darter cannot destroy a small air to air missile, it was tested ONLY against a Skua drone, big drone !

SAAF has ZERO A-Darter missiles today, so no argument, you DON'T have it.


Nigeria too has ground radars with 500 km range, so don't bring ground radar to this air to air battle.

SAAF Gripen jet missile range 25 km .

NAF F-7 jet missile range 35 km....almost BVR.

South African air force is dead from a near BVR distance, your pilots wont even see Nigerian F-7 jet from our BVR position 37 km away, we fire missile at 35 km away.....Mandela will weep inside his grave as we demolish his air force
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agaugust:


[size=13pt]PL-9 missile is for 4th generation fighters, it has ECM, nobody builds modern missiles in that class, for almost a million dollars per missile with no internal ECM. Even 1980s Otomat missile has ECM.

F-7NI jets of NAF have a near BVR missile, the PL-9C and the range is 35 km.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

A-Darter range is very poor at 20 km and even shorter than PL-9 range 35 km. F-7 kills Gripen from extra 15 km distance away.

When SAAF flies it's first combat jet mission since 20 years ago, come back talk to us. NAF flew 6,000 combat missions in the past 6 months.

We are NOT in your league of redundant sit at home air forces with poor range air to air missiles.

NAF has near BVR air to air missile....PL-9C....range 35 km

SAAF air force is dead....((((((( BOOM ))))))
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Perhaps you think you are talking to a group of 5 year olds who cant read. This post proves you a mentally sick, attention seeking fraud.


35 km range = surface to air variant of PL-9C missile.
22km range = air to air variant

F00l

Did you not read your own link? Are you mentally sick? Look at the red box in your screengrab. Just next to it....what does it say?? ALTITUTE LIMIT 6.5km.

What kind of air to air missile has an ALTITUDE LIMIT of only 6.5km?? Gripen pilots will fly at 22 000 feet, shoot your rust buckets down, while chatting to their wives on whatsapp. And there will be nothing you can do about it.

You see how you have been sent to your hole? How your stupi.dity has been exposed? Waste of space.

saengine:



Perhaps you think you are talking to a group of 5 year olds who cant read. This post proves you a mentally sick, attention seeking fraud.


35 km range = surface to air variant of PL-9C missile.
22km range = air to air variant

F00l

Did you not read your own link? Are you mentally sick? Look at the red box in your screengrab. Just next to it....what does it say?? ALTITUTE LIMIT 6.5km.

What kind of air to air missile has an ALTITUDE LIMIT of only 6.5km?? Gripen pilots will fly at 22 000 feet, shoot your rust buckets down, while chatting to their wives on whatsapp. And there will be nothing you can do about it.

You see how you have been sent to your hole? How your stupi.dity has been exposed? Waste of space.

Nope, you are the victim of Soweto breed sub-standard South African education.

Fool, it is the same missile PL-9C fired as air to air OR air to ground, same missile, same specifications NO difference in the missile itself.

Show me where army recognition says the air launch and ground launch PL-9C have different maximum ranges, show me below...

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

The fuel load inside a missile determines it's range, the fuel load is the same in both variants, there is no small size or big size PL-9C missile, they are both same capacity and same 115 kg weight, same fuel load, and your science is too poor to let you know that fuel load determines range of a traveling rocket propellant.

22 km is used for air to air usual range, 35 km is the maximum effective range air to air or ground to air.

That is why army recognition data says Range = 22 km, Maximum Range = 35 km.

You thought I did not read army recognition analysis before I posted it? Mumu domingo

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

PL-9C = PL-9C no matter the launcher system you use.

Fool, altitude only applies when the PL-9C is fired from the ground based launcher, the missile is used both as air to air. and ground to air combat.

The ground launch had ceiling or altitude because the fire control radar is fixed on ground, the air launch is at any altitude the the jet fighter can fly to, F-7 flies at almost 18 km altitude and is BETTER than the Gripen 15 km altitude. Use your coconut head when you read.

F-7 jet has superior altitude to the Gripen so NAF can fire missiles at SAAF from over your fvcking coconut heads above your level !

F-7 jet missile range 35 km near BVR

Gripen jet missile range 25 km short range !

NAF kills SAAF.....I have rattled you Southies into sweating and fainting mode today

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jl115:

Cost per hour:
Oryx=R60000
A109=<R30000

www.iol.co.za/the-star/arms-deal-choppers-not-utilised-1.1576630#.VQ9B5NKUfIQ

Oryx carries over 3 times the man power for only double the cost. Point made.

agaugust:


Nope, you are the victim of Soweto breed sub-standard South African education.

Fool, it is the same missile PL-9C fired as air to air OR air to ground, same missile, same specifications NO difference in the missile itself.

Show me where army recognition says the air launch and ground launch PL-9C have different maximum ranges, show me below...

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

The fuel load inside a missile determines it's range, the fuel load is the same in both variants, there is no small size or big size PL-9C missile, they are both same capacity and same 115 kg weight, same fuel load, and your science is too poor to let you know that fuel load determines range of a traveling rocket propellant.

22 km is used for air to air usual range, 35 km is the maximum effective range air to air or ground to air.

That is why army recognition data says Range = 22 km, Maximum Range = 35 km.

You thought I did not read army recognition analysis before I posted it? Mumu domingo

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

PL-9C = PL-9C no matter the launcher system you use.

Fool, altitude only applies when the PL-9C is fired from the ground based launcher, the missile is used both as air to air. and ground to air combat.

The ground launch had ceiling or altitude because the fire control radar is fixed on ground, the air launch is at any altitude the the jet fighter can fly to, F-7 flies at almost 18 km altitude and is BETTER than the Gripen 15 km altitude. Use your coconut head when you read.

F-7 jet has superior altitude to the Gripen so NAF can fire missiles at SAAF from over your fvcking coconut heads above your level !

F-7 jet missile range 35 km near BVR

Gripen jet missile range 25 km short range !

NAF kills SAAF.....I have rattled you Southies into sweating and fainting mode today

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Wow...you've actually gone and made this entire thing up. My goodness

You actually sat there and typed and typed and typed. Came up with a whole new form of missile engineering in your head, all by yourself. You must be so proud!


http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.181/pub_detail.asp


"By the mid 1990s China’s main missile maker Luoyang had developed the PL-9, which took the fuselage of the Python-3, attached different guidance fins, and incorporated a copy of the Ukrainian Arsenel helmet sight, called the TK-14 in Chinese service, to make a new AAM.[6] The latest PL-9C features an increase in range of 22km, up from 15km for the PL-9, PL-8 and Python-3 AAMs."


Mr Missile Engineer. If surface-air PL-9 had been developed in the 80's, what was Luoyang missile maker doing "developing" the air-air variant in the 90's? Accoring to you its the exact same missile.

agaugust:


In WVR combat of short range missiles, everybody dies at the same rate because, pilots are too close and missiles will hit targets in 10 seconds. Forget maneuverability if your pilots are not trained to exercise superior split second judgement and decision making. NAF has a modern and deadly PL-9 missile with 90% kill probability.

The advantage of the Su-30 in WVR combat will only come in a gun fight with aircraft cannon after both sides have finished wasting their missiles with ECM like flares and chaff self defences. Then your Su-30 will defeat an F-7 with better Su-30 maneuverability, it will also beat the South African Gripen jet because of the Gripen's poor maneuverability that is on par with the F-7. The Gripen is no good without BVR missiles and the South Africans have NO single BVR missile.

I will rank air to air combat capability thus :

1. Angola
2. Nigeria & South Africa
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My brother I'm not here to boost my country's ego or to play games by claiming untruth's. There are a lot of falsehoods in your statements above.

1) There's no such thing as we both die in air combat if opposing forces only engage each other with short range missiles
a) the generation of aircraft needs to be considered
b) the avionic suit.
c) type of missile
d) jammering and radar systems
e) training and experience of the pilots.

All these facts will determine the out come of a dog fight between aircraft concerned.

2)The SAAF Gripen overall is better then the most current versions of the SU-30 even better then the SU-30MKI the only down side of the SAAF Gripen's are the lack of BVR but there onboard missile detection systems more then makes up for there absence of a dedicated BVR.


3) The PL-9 is an inferior missile compared to the IRST missile system.

In conclusion I see no way that any of your statements can be true in the modern world of 4th gen aircrafts. We must learn to put our patty patriotism aside.

agaugust:


You Southies are a bunch of illiterates, F-7 jets have had all-weather combat capabilities since 1988 ! Fools !

"The J-7M's design was certified and adopted in 1988, giving the J-7 family an aircraft with all-weather capabilities. The successful development of the J-7M shows that it is feasible to import advanced foreign airborne equipment to improve the performance of domestic aircraft and thus to promote exports."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/j-7m.htm

You think Pakistan will field a jet that is not all weather against mighty India?

You think Nigeria will buy a $ 15 million jet that is not all weather capable? Mumu domingoes, all of you in Soweto are mumustic mumus

F-7 jet is all weather with Italian Grifo Radar.

A-Darter cannot destroy a small air to air missile, it was tested ONLY against a Skua drone, big drone !

SAAF has ZERO A-Darter missiles today, so no argument, you DON'T have it.


Nigeria too has ground radars with 500 km range, so don't bring ground radar to this air to air battle.

SAAF Gripen jet missile range 25 km .

NAF F-7 jet missile range 35 km....almost BVR.

South African air force is dead from a near BVR distance, your pilots wont even see Nigerian F-7 jet from our BVR position 37 km away, we fire missile at 35 km away.....Mandela will weep inside his grave as we demolish his air force
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PL-9C has a range of 22 KM.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL-9



Your obsolete F7 has a poor detection radar, a very important element in any fighter jet. Any fighter with poor detection radar it means it can not be good for offensive and thus is a bad dog fighter.

Griffin has an important element which will detect F7 from over 120 KM away.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS-05/A


A Gripen jet will detect your F7 Jets from over 60KM away without your poor pilots realising that the gripen jets are on the nearby. That will serve as an advantage for gripen pilots to launch an attack first. F7 are not a good platform to launch BVR because of the detection radar which has severe limitations. A gripen jet will still defeat F7 jets even if they were armed with BVRs.


The BVR require stealth fighters which can detect an enemy aircraft from far distances and often earlier than before it could be detect. Tell me how will it help you to be armed with 60 KM range BVR when your radar is only 25 KMs? That does not make sense.

saengine:



Let me be honest with you. If you want real answers, and a good honest debate.....dont waste your time on this forum. I mean someone has already answered you and managed to sneak this in...."Gripen is on par with F-7". Don't know how clued up you are on the matter, but thats the quality of answer you're going to get.



"ON PAR" WITH

I work in the aviation industry but I have a air force background and got my training as a technician in the air force. So I consider myself quit clued up on aviation matters, but we all learn and gain insight from discussions.

But truly speaking some of the comments on this forum really cracks me up.

agaugust:


F-7 is NOT = MiG-21.

Gripen has canards. F-7 has new swept delta wing and vertical fin stabilizer
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The MIG-21 performs way better than F7s, Compare:


http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Military-Aircraft/Fighter-Attack/

agaugust:


Prove it with Oxfords dictionary
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http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/surveillance


This also might help you. LOSER!!


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellphone_surveillance

South African Navy is scheduled to fire two Umkhonto vertically launched SAM's today during Exercise Good Hope. Germans will also fire two of their own missiles.

Same Umkhonto missiles which a certain someone here (no names mentioned) said are "fake" and dont exist within the SA Navy.

agaugust:


Nope, SAAF has NO A-Darter missile in service.

By the time you induct A-Darter we will have NAF JF-17 Thunder.

A-Darter has same problem with PL-9C....short range 22 km. We die together !

SAAF = NAF in air to air combat.

SAAF has zero air to ground combat experience with Gripen and Hawk jets, NAF has flown over 2,000 air to ground combat sorties in 3 months.

SAAF is 66 years behind NAF in ISTAR capability.

SAAF has NO SINGLE air to surface missile, NAF has 30 air to surface missiles.

SAAF will NAF's next Ra.pe victim after Boko Haram

NOW CASE PROPERLY CLOSED !
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A-darter enters service this year. Your junk fighter is a flight of fancy

A-darter is significantly more advanced than the PLC-9. We can out maneuver and evade your missiles with chaff you cannot do that to the a-darter - so no, you die alone

You are insane for thinking the F-7 from the 1950's stands a chance against a 4th generation fighter

We dont need experience - we are properly trained, and we have PGM's (which you dont)

Your ISTAR platform cannot operate in a contested airspace. Gripen can and is also an ISTAR platform. Your ISTAR is for chasing pirates - not fighting wars

You have air to ground missiles? So do we. What you dont have is PGM's - we have 50 in stockpile and full scale production of our glide bomb begins this year

Your pathetic peasant airforce stands absolutely no chance.

And dont brag about boko-haram - they have basically nothing to defend themselves with. Might as well be bombing targets on the practice feild

agaugust:


The whole SANDF has NO SINGLE air to surface missile, NAF has 30 !

SANDF is obsolete
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Nigeria has no PGM's
We have 50 and are building more

Nigeria has no 4th gen fighters

Nigeria has no mobile radar stations

Nigeria has no data-link to relay real time data between planes

Nigeria has no modern airdefence

You dont have an airforce - you have a museum

Again - you little boy brain is just like the rest of africa. You get impresses by shiny gifts and trinkets and ignore the systems.

SANDF is a perfectly intergraded systsem. The system allways defeats the unit.

agaugust:


[size=13pt]PL-9 missile is for 4th generation fighters, it has ECM, nobody builds modern missiles in that class, for almost a million dollars per missile with no internal ECM. Even 1980s Otomat missile has ECM.

F-7NI jets of NAF have a near BVR missile, the PL-9C and the range is 35 km.

http://www.armyrecognition.com/china_chinese_army_missile_systems_vehicles/pl-9c_shorad_short_range_ground-to-air_missile_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

A-Darter range is very poor at 20 km and even shorter than PL-9 range 35 km. F-7 kills Gripen from extra 15 km distance away.

When SAAF flies it's first combat jet mission since 20 years ago, come back talk to us. NAF flew 6,000 combat missions in the past 6 months.

We are NOT in your league of redundant sit at home air forces with poor range air to air missiles.

NAF has near BVR air to air missile....PL-9C....range 35 km

SAAF air force is dead....((((((( BOOM ))))))
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Hey dipshit

Ground to air =\= air to air

So either:

1. You just tried to lie to us again
2. You are so hilariously stup1d that you didnt realize you were posting a SAM system and not air-to-air

Still waiting for you to show us the missiles defencive package

Flying sorties against an enemy with no air defence impresses noone. Might as well be bombing empty feilds.

agaugust:


JF-17 Thunder Block II and J-10 Vigorous Dragon jets use PL-9 missiles. PL-9C kill probability in combat is 90%. Stop spewing shiiit here
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Citations desperatly needed

Also, the Junk Fighter barely scrapes into the 4th gen class

agaugust:


You Southies are a bunch of illiterates, F-7 jets have had all-weather combat capabilities since 1988 ! Fools !

"The J-7M's design was certified and adopted in 1988, giving the J-7 family an aircraft with all-weather capabilities. The successful development of the J-7M shows that it is feasible to import advanced foreign airborne equipment to improve the performance of domestic aircraft and thus to promote exports."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/j-7m.htm

You think Pakistan will field a jet that is not all weather against mighty India?

You think Nigeria will buy a $ 15 million jet that is not all weather capable? Mumu domingoes, all of you in Soweto are mumustic mumus

F-7 jet is all weather with Italian Grifo Radar.

A-Darter cannot destroy a small air to air missile, it was tested ONLY against a Skua drone, big drone !

SAAF has ZERO A-Darter missiles today, so no argument, you DON'T have it.


Nigeria too has ground radars with 500 km range, so don't bring ground radar to this air to air battle.

SAAF Gripen jet missile range 25 km .

NAF F-7 jet missile range 35 km....almost BVR.

South African air force is dead from a near BVR distance, your pilots wont even see Nigerian F-7 jet from our BVR position 37 km away, we fire missile at 35 km away.....Mandela will weep inside his grave as we demolish his air force
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1. Unless you are talking about groundlaunching the PlC-9 then its range is not BVR
2. What mobile ground search radars do you have?