"Same missile" developed in the 1980's (surface to air) then again "same missile" developed mid 1990's (air to air). No comeback to this. Cool story. Next topic please.

agaugust:


Yes, thanks for proving me right, range = 22 km, maximum range = 35 km according the same source. Thank you for agreeing with me
.

The PL-9C is still inferior.

The A-Darter and IRIS-T 5th gen SRAAM(s) are modern bodylift missiles unlike your PL-9C which still uses fins for flight control.

Trust vectoring control(TVC) enables them to have higher agility, the A-Darter being manoeuvreable up to 100g. These missiles with HMD(s) target designation can hit targets behind the aircraft.

Also these missiles have wider look angles coupled with TVC, the launch platform doesn't have to be at the same altitude with the target to intercept it.

The latest test the target was at a 90 degrees trajectory to the launch platform but the missile was able to find and intercept the target.

dacostaANG:


I work in the aviation industry but I have a air force background and got my training as a technician in the air force. So I consider myself quit clued up on aviation matters, but we all learn and gain insight from discussions.

But truly speaking some of the comments on this forum really cracks me up.

I work in defense industry in the USA as researcher for a private military company that employs ex-USAF and US Army soldiers and pilots with combat experience in Iraqi Gulf war.

You are not coming to a Nairaland forum of ignorant and untrained war mongers.

Welcome to our slaughter house made in Nigeria
.

saengine:
"Same missile" developed in the 1980's (surface to air) then again "same missile" developed mid 1990's (air to air). No comeback to this. Cool story. Next topic please.

Same topic please.

The first missiles developed in 1980s are named PL-9.

The improved and advanced missiles developed in 1990s are named PL-9C.

The PL-9C according to your panick stricken brother @Patches' Chinese source, is a multi purpose missile that can be launched from air, ground or sea.....same PL-9C missile.

Thanks to @Patches for posting that confirmation source that proved the same one and only PL-9C missile is multi purpose.

Nice to see that South African posted source from @Patches himself
.

MikeCZAR:
The PL-9C is still inferior.

The A-Darter and IRIS-T 5th gen SRAAM(s) are modern bodylift missiles unlike your PL-9C which still uses fins for flight control.

Trust vectoring control(TVC) enables them to have higher agility, the A-Darter being manoeuvreable up to 100g. These missiles with HMD(s) target designation can hit targets behind the aircraft.

Also these missiles have wider look angles coupled with TVC, the launch platform doesn't have to be at the same altitude with the target to intercept it.

The latest test the target was at a 90 degrees trajectory to the launch platform but the missile was able to find and intercept the target.

Tales by moonlight....personal opinion....cool
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agaugust:


Same topic please.

The first missiles developed in 1980s are named PL-9.

The improved and advanced missiles developed in 1990s are named PL-9C.

The PL-9C according to your panick stricken brother @Patches' Chinese source, is a multi purpose missile that can be launched from air, ground or sea.....same PL-9C missile.

Thanks to @Patches for posting that confirmation source that proved the same one and only PL-9C missile is multi purpose.

Nice to see that South African posted source from @Patches himself
.

Different variants.

There's a ground launched IRIS-T missile also available is submarine variant.

PL-9C is the AAM variant while PL-9 is the SAM variant.

A SAAF pilot can shoot down a target while flying at a lower altitude.

agaugust:


Tales by moonlight....personal opinion....cool
.

Nothing to counter.

Too complex for a Nigerian cave dweller's mind.

Can't comprehend what I'm telling you?

agaugust:


I work in defense industry in the USA as researcher for a private military company that employs ex-USAF and US Army soldiers and pilots with combat experience in Iraqi Gulf war.

You are not coming to a Nairaland forum of ignorant and untrained war mongers.

Welcome to our slaughter house made in Nigeria
.

I hope you get fired because you know nothing of the field you in.

andrewza:

I hope you get fired because you know nothing of the field you in.

are you sure?

MikeCZAR:
Nothing to counter.
Too complex for a Nigerian cave dweller's mind.
Can't comprehend what I'm telling you?

You should be honoured that we pity you enough to spare limited time in amusing ourselves by tearing apart your flimsy debates.

dacostaANG:


My brother I'm not here to boost my country's ego or to play games by claiming untruth's. There are a lot of falsehoods in your statements above.

1) There's no such thing as we both die in air combat if opposing forces only engage each other with short range missiles
a) the generation of aircraft needs to be considered
b) the avionic suit.
c) type of missile
d) jammering and radar systems
e) training and experience of the pilots.

All these facts will determine the out come of a dog fight between aircraft concerned.

2)The SAAF Gripen overall is better then the most current versions of the SU-30 even better then the SU-30MKI the only down side of the SAAF Gripen's are the lack of BVR but there onboard missile detection systems more then makes up for there absence of a dedicated BVR.


3) The PL-9 is an inferior missile compared to the IRST missile system.

In conclusion I see no way that any of your statements can be true in the modern world of 4th gen aircrafts. We must learn to put our patty patriotism aside.

Patriotism?

I post technical facts not patriotism.

Bros, sorry to say you are jumping into a forum with a thread that has almost 2,000 pages . Do you know what we have discussed here in the past 5 years of this same topic? No, you don't.

You have too many leaking holes in your above comment. Does Angola have any air force pilot with air to air combat experience? Have you worked with any combat experienced jet fighter pilot before? Be honest.

Well, I have ex-USAF pilots working in my office, they have shot down enemy jet fighters before in combat.

Last year on this forum, I posted a report from an American jet fighter test pilot who proved that in close range air to air combat, the 3.5 generation jets and the 4 generation jets are both going to die together in combat if pilot skills are equal.

Reason is that you have only about 10 seconds to make decisions when missiles speed to k.ill at 3,000 km per hour and the enemy launch jet is within visual range just 20 km away from you! Sudden death!

There is something in air to air combat technically called NO ESCAPE ZONE....you enter that close range, you both die.

Now you say SAAF Gripen C/D is better than Su-30 MKI of India? Big error!

The Su-30MKI radar range is 400 km against the weaker Gripen radar range of 120 km. Dude, I don't know you but you sound like a comedian.

In WVR combat, the Su-30MKI has vector thrusting capability which is totally missing on Gripen . The supermaneuverability of the Su-30 gives dogfight superiority for missile evasion and gun fight edge, it will kill the poorly maneuverable Gripen.

Your other mistake is that you limited air combat to just the machines, you omitted pilot skill, previous combat experience, and pilots intelligence or sense and speed of judgement/decision making.

Also you said the old Gripen of South Africa is better than the latest Su-30 Flanker, I just pity you, the latest version is Su-30SM of Russia and it is built to challenge the F-22 Raptor, it switches off radar and uses long range Video TV camera to detect and attack stealth jet fighters that are invisible to radar. You don't even know about Su-30SM, try ask questions when you don't understand things.

Dude, you need more than one head to take on Nigerians, the South Africans here can show you all their bruises and wounds they have suffered in this slaughter house
.

agaugust:


I work in defense industry in the USA as researcher for a private military company that employs ex-USAF and US Army soldiers and pilots with combat experience in Iraqi Gulf war.

You are not coming to a Nairaland forum of ignorant and untrained war mongers.

Welcome to our slaughter house made in Nigeria
.

die nai was nog laas n accountant Die mase poes

Troop101:
die nai was nog laas n accountant Die mase poes

There are many accountants in US Army combatant infantry.

You don't travel beyond your ANC cage.

Msauza:

THAT IS FOR NIGERIYOOO, ONLY ONE OF IT AT THE CENTER OF ABUJA WILL BRING THE WHOLE OF NIGERIA TO A STAND STILL AND RUN TO WASHINGTON FOR HELP.

Nigeria has the ability to assemble a nuclear weapon if it becomes a last resort,do not forget that Nigeria sits on 7% of the world's total uranium reserve.
Nigeria is a neutral state,therefore we are able to procure the facility needed to convert raw uranium,plutonium and thorium into a deadly salvo of solidified doom.
Whenever we need to go nuclear,we have the resources to do so.

agaugust:


I work in defense industry in the USA as researcher for a private military company that employs ex-USAF and US Army soldiers and pilots with combat experience in Iraqi Gulf war.

You are not coming to a Nairaland forum of ignorant and untrained war mongers.

Welcome to our slaughter house made in Nigeria
.

Prove it

andrewza:


I hope you get fired because you know nothing of the field you in.

Navy cook/chef, what are you frying for your sailors today? Onions and eggs?

agaugust:


Patriotism?

I post technical facts not patriotism.

Bros, sorry to say you are jumping into a forum with a thread that has almost 2,000 pages . Do you know what we have discussed here in the past 5 years of this same topic? No, you don't.

You have too many leaking holes in your above comment. Does Angola have any air force pilot with air to air combat experience? Have you worked with any combat experienced jet fighter pilot before? Be honest.

Well, I have ex-USAF pilots working in my office, they have shot down enemy jet fighters before in combat.

Last year on this forum, I posted a report from an American jet fighter test pilot who proved that in close range air to air combat, the 3.5 generation jets and the 4 generation jets are both going to die together in combat if pilot skills are equal.

Reason is that you have only about 10 seconds to make decisions when missiles speed to k.ill at 3,000 km per hour and the enemy launch jet is within visual range just 20 km away from you! Sudden death!

There is something in air to air combat technically called NO ESCAPE ZONE....you enter that close range, you both die.

Now you say SAAF Gripen C/D is better than Su-30 MKI of India? Big error!

The Su-30MKI radar range is 400 km against the weaker Gripen radar range of 120 km. Dude, I don't know you but you sound like a comedian.

In WVR combat, the Su-30MKI has vector thrusting capability which is totally missing on Gripen . The supermaneuverability of the Su-30 gives dogfight superiority for missile evasion and gun fight edge, it will kill the poorly maneuverable Gripen.

Your other mistake is that you limited air combat to just the machines, you omitted pilot skill, previous combat experience, and pilots intelligence or sense and speed of judgement/decision making.

Also you said the old Gripen of South Africa is better than the latest Su-30 Flanker, I just pity you, the latest version is Su-30SM of Russia and it is built to challenge the F-22 Raptor, it switches off radar and uses long range Video TV camera to detect and attack stealth jet fighters that are invisible to radar. You don't even know about Su-30SM, try ask questions when you don't understand things.

Dude, you need more than one head to take on Nigerians, the South Africans here can show you all their bruises and wounds they have suffered in this slaughter house
.

Until you post proof that you work with a fighter pilot all of the above is irrelevant

This notion that a fighter from the 1950s stands a chance in close combat against the gripen is beyond ludicrous

If it were true then no one would bother building new aircaft and we would all be flying around in Phantoms and Mig21's and Viggens

You sad sad man, your patriotism had blinded you

EVarn:
are you sure?

Any body who tries to compare the F7 to any thing but a mig 21 is a fool.

agaugust:


Navy cook/chef, what are you frying for your sailors today? Onions and eggs?

When are you going to post proof that you work in the defence industry?

EVarn:
Nigeria has the ability to assemble a nuclear weapon if it becomes a last resort,do not forget that Nigeria sits on 7% of the world's total uranium reserve.
Nigeria is a neutral state,therefore we are able to procure the facility needed to convert raw uranium,plutonium and thorium into a deadly salvo of solidified doom.
Whenever we need to go nuclear,we have the resources to do so.

Are you serious?

Plutonium and uranium from the ground is fvck all

agaugust:


Navy cook/chef, what are you frying for your sailors today? Onions and eggs?

Another example. You would not mock navy chefs if you knew them. Pesonly I am not one, I am seamanship.

agaugust:


There are many accountants in US Army combatant infantry.

You don't travel beyond your ANC cage.

Why would accountant be given the 11B MOS when their MOS is 36B?

O wait - mr pmc didnt know about the MOS system.

Fvcking pathetic liar

agaugust:


Same topic please.

The first missiles developed in 1980s are named PL-9.

The improved and advanced missiles developed in 1990s are named PL-9C.

The PL-9C according to your panick stricken brother @Patches' Chinese source, is a multi purpose missile that can be launched from air, ground or sea.....same PL-9C missile.

Thanks to @Patches for posting that confirmation source that proved the same one and only PL-9C missile is multi purpose.

Nice to see that South African posted source from @Patches himself
.

All i posted is that the max range is 22km as confirmed by your source and the people who sell them

You are posting a ground based launcher - not the air to air variant

agaugust:


There are many accountants in US Army combatant infantry.

You don't travel beyond your ANC cage.

Nope. You may have a accountanted who was infantry or a accountanted In a infantry formation. Or a accountanted who was infantry in a infantry formation that due to circumstance is out the wire. But that is rare very rare.

Regardless he was saying you said you where a accountanted.

agaugust:


Maximum. E.F.F.E.C.T.I.V.E range of PL-9C is 35 km according to reputable military source Army Recognition data.

Do you know the meaning of EFFECTIVE ? Kill range !
.

Why is the range not listed as 35km then?

Why is it listed as 22km?

Still waiting for you to tell me how you will shoot down a gripen flying at 6500ft

andrewza:

Any body who tries to compare the F7 to any thing but a mig 21 is a fool.

really?,an airguard that has the capacity to carry,sustain and discharge most of the existing modern aerial missiles is worth comparing to any other fighter jet available on global market.
The F7 is a resilient dragon and can be upgraded to enhance operational capacity,performing many of the functions of some 4th generation fighter jets.

EVarn:
really?,an airguard that has the capacity to carry,sustain and discharge most of the existing modern aerial missiles is worth comparing to any other fighter jet available on global market.
The F7 is a resilient dragon and can be upgraded to enhance operational capacity,performing many of the functions of some 4th generation fighter jets.

And what about the mig 21 lancer.
http://defense-update.com/news/lancer.htm

patches689:


Are you serious?

Plutonium and uranium from the ground is fvck all

The uranium deposits present in Nigeria is very high grade and can be easily enriched and decayed to produce highly radioactive nuclear warheads.
Why do you think everyone wants to invade Nigeria?

patches689:


Why would accountant be given the 11B MOS when their MOS is 36B?

O wait - mr pmc didnt know about the MOS system.

Fvcking pathetic liar

Anyone enlisting as a combatant soldier is recruited as a combatant soldier in US Army, they don't care about your university degree, there are school teachers in US Army, you don't know that by living in ANC prison.

Anyway, don't worry about who I am, worry about the comments I post, that is what puts you into panic mode driving you in.sane as you type away furiously on your groaning laptop
.

agaugust:


Anyone enlisting as a combatant soldier is recruited as a combatant soldier in US Army, they don't care about your university degree, there are school teachers in US Army, you don't know that by living in ANC prison.

Anyway, don't worry about who I am, worry about the comments I post, that is what puts you into panic mode driving you in.sane as you type away furiously on your groaning laptop
.

No augustus

Thats not how the us army works

You take your asvab aptitude test

They offer you role specific contracts based on yout score amd before you are even in the army

If you want to be infantry, you get offered an 11B contract before you even step on the bus

If you want to be involved in finanance you get offerd 36B

You are a serial lair - so pathetic that you need to invent myths to try to argue.

The only thing that i worry about is the delusions you have

EVarn:
The uranium deposits present in Nigeria is very high grade and can be easily enriched and decayed to produce highly radioactive nuclear warheads.
Why do you think everyone wants to invade Nigeria?

We have the means to enriching and have weapons grade in stock. Do you have either.

agaugust:


Anyone enlisting as a combatant soldier is recruited as a combatant soldier in US Army, they don't care about your university degree, there are school teachers in US Army, you don't know that by living in ANC prison.

Anyway, don't worry about who I am, worry about the comments I post, that is what puts you into panic mode driving you in.sane as you type away furiously on your groaning laptop
.

No augustus

Thats not how the us army works

You take your asvab aptitude test

They offer you role specific contracts based on yout score amd before you are even in the army

If you want to be infantry, you get offered an 11B contract before you even step on the bus

If you want to be involved in finanance you get offerd 36B

If you were a pmc involved with former us servicemen you would know this

Why dont you know this?

You are a serial lair - so pathetic that you need to invent myths to try to argue.

The only thing that i worry about is the delusions you have