EVarn:
what means do you have to enrich nuclear fossils?,last time i checked,SA dismantled all nuclear armament after apartheid.

We still have weapons grade material that could be used to build "half a dozen" weapons

Read the artical

EVarn:
North korea or iran will offer expertise and equipment needed to amass a voltex of nuclear warheads in a heartbeat,if we are willing to procure{for a price of course}.we have raw,high grade uranium and other paraplasmic radioactive fossils,they have the necessary equipments; its simply a matter of mutual interest.

Iran doesnt have a nuclear weapon

North Korea? please

agaugust:


You Southies say F-7 is a 1980 jet. The F-7 has been upgraded to 2010 level you know.

What is the "2010" level?

What upgrades?

Its still an airframe from the 1950's

Henry120:


You are delusional.

Pakistan actually has nuclear weapons

You dont even have a fully fledged reactor

Never mind enrichment facilities.

If Iran is struggling to make one... what makes you think that you could?

agaugust:


Are you sick?

You sit down inside South Africa using google search to copy and paste US Army recruitment information that is freely available to every human being that has internet at home and you are saying other people don't know it, are you sick? You ever joined US Army before?

You are a clueless internet addict scooping free public information from Google
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Why didnt you know about the MOS system?

You said you work with former US servicemen... yet I had to educate you.

agaugust:


I am not copy pasting procedure, I am educating your ANC imprisoned minds to know that US Army does not discriminate in recruitment of combat soldiers based on their BSc degree course of study. There are accountants, school teachers, sociologists, lawyers, and people who have never been to university all in the US Army as combatants, that's what they want, chose to be and passed the relevant tests, exams, training, etc.

US Army don't force people into a corps or department they don't want to service, it's voluntary service NOT conscription.

Olodos
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When are you going to prove your claims?

You said you were a researcher at a PMC - prove it
You said you know a former fighter pilot - prove it

Your entire argument, everything you say, hinges on the above.

So prove it.

agaugust:


Year 2005 era Italian Grifo radars including some with about 90 km range, modern HUDAWAC, HMS and year 2010 combat suite you never find in a MiG-21 basic old model.

You talk like a navy cook yet deny being one
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Citations please

After you provide those I will educate you

agaugust:


Okay, SAAF Hawk jets of 2005 era are same as those 1980s era. You train inside obsolete jets. Simple
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Hawks have data-links and can drop PGM's

This means they are more advanced than your F-7's

agaugust:


Still won't save SAAF Gripen with 25 km range missile from NAF F-7 with 35 km range near BVR missile.

Case closed
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1. You max range is 22km
2. Gripen can fly at 6500ft where your missiles cannot go and where it can still fire its missiles

Gripen flying at 6500ft will destroy the whole NAF in 4min

Your own source confirms this!

agaugust:


South Africa's inexperienced air force has not deployed in ANY contested airspace in the last 20 years, last time you tried it against Cuba your jets were mercilessly shot down by Cuban teenage pilots, SAAF quickly ran away to hide on the ground sitting redundant inside air bases, while your government begged UN to hurry up and arrange peace talks with Cuba
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Nigerias inexperienced airforce has not deployed to any contested airspace in 100 years. Nigeria has never engaged in air-to-air combat and Nigeria has never shot down a single enemy fighter. That is true inexperience!

Which SAAF jets were shot down by Cuban pilots?

I can show you the SAAF shooting down the Cubans... why cant you show me Cuban fighters shooting us down?

I have alos posted the number of sorties flown in 1989 - no one was hiding from anything

agaugust:


You are asking me to start a new argument on US Army recruitment policy on an African military thread, does that make sense to you? I said @Patches is simply copy pasting free internet information from websites available on simply google search done inside his Soweto bedroom.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/enlistedjobs/a/11b.htm

http://www.usarec.army.mil/

Invest your time on US Army recruitment policy if you have nothing else to debate on. Mumu
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The problem is that you didnt know about the MOS system until I told you.

Which is strange for someone who claims to be a pmc...

Also, why cant you prove you are a PMC? You asked me to prove where I lived and I did - now you run away?

Coward

agaugust:


I am more interested in knowing if you are male or female, leave US Army recruitment policy for internet google addicts.

Are you male or female, I keep asking since 3 days ago .

Are you female and above 18 years old ?..

Why are you so desperate to change the topic?

Why do you allways run away so easily? Were you one of the men who was defending Bama?

agaugust:


Both F-7 and Gripen have poor maneuverability.

F-7 has superior altitude over the Gripen.

F-7NI with near BVR missiles like NAF has, will shoot down a SAAF Gripen, South Africa parades poorly armed Gripen jets, that's why you will lose air combat fighting Nigeria.

SAAF is over hyped by Hollywood style videos
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Gripen has superior wing loading to the F-7 = Thus it is more maneuverable than the F-7

Further you have two options:

OPTION 1.
You get to claim 35km max range - but then the missile has a ceiling of 6 000ft. Thus a Gripen flying at 6 500ft is completely safe from the NAF and can destroy your airforce with ease

OPTION 2.
Your missiles have the standard listed range of 22km

Which is it?

agaugust:


Your SAAF cannot even leave their air base to another country for combat deployment as at today, you have no aviation fuel to fly.

NAF flew 1,000 km to 2,000 km to fight with Alpha jets in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, and Mali from 1990 to 2013
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18 000 hours say otherwise.

There are 2 SAAF planes in the sky, 24/7

SAAF Gripens were in Congo ready to for the CAR - explain that

agaugust:


What would South Africa do without aviation fuel and short combat radius Gripen fuel tank in that same scenario?
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Deploy to the Congo like we did in less than a week after the battle of Bangui

#Checkmate

agaugust:


Gripen is NOT faster than F-7, they have same speed.

Rather F-7 climbs to higher altitude than Gripen with extra 2km ceiling advantage for F-7 especially in a cannon battle dog fight.

Also the F-7 has two 30 mm cannon while Gripen has only one 23 mm cannon. One hist from F-7 on Gripen will tear the Gripen into pieces, F-7 has 3 times more cannon firepower over the Gripen.

Yes 2 missiles when F-7 is traveling 850 km, but 5 missiles when F-7 is traveling half that distance.

When both aircraft have used chaff and flares to waste their missiles, the F-7 will demolish Gripen with superior flight altitude advantage and 3 times greater cannon firepower .

You don't judge an aircraft by it's name or public image, jets fight according to their technical capabilities as machines.

NAF has 35 km range missile on F-7 plus all the other advantages I listed above.

In combat, the SAAF will NOT be able to defeat NAF, except spirit angels from heaven come down to your rescue....and they won't like your Homosex.ual pilots....ya just a bunch of sinners, Gays, R.apists, etc !
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1. Gripen is more maneuverable - lower wing loading
2. Gripen has more advanced avionics (better situational awareness)
3. Italian Grifo-7 has 42km range - Gripen has 120km range radar.
4. Gripen has data-link, meaning it can fly with its radar off and sneak up on the F-7
5. Gripen has more advanced targeting systems - allowing an easyer gun-kill
6. F-7 can only carry 2 AAM's. Gripen can carry 8.
7. Gripens cannon fires faster than the F-7s increasing hit probability

If you want to claim 35km missiles, then that is fine, according to the source you provided they cannot operate above 6 000ft meaning that the Gripen can climb high and attack your defenceless F-7's from 20km out.

F-7 does not stand a chance, theh fact that you would even claim that it does is utterly ludicrous.

agaugust:


Brother, who taught you all the errors you wrote above? You need to learn from real jet fighter pilots, please read :

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[size=16pt]How Upgraded F-7, MiG-21 Jet Fighters Vs F-16, F-18, MiG-29, Gripen Jets....

....Are Rated In Worldwide Military Opinion Forums
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Pakistani F-7 jets are the counterpart of Indian MiG 21 Bison and Romanian MiG 21 Lancers, these 3 jets are upgraded to fight and survive against F-16 jets, F-18, MiG 29, Gripen and other 4th generation light jet fighters in that class.


Romania retired all MiG 29 jets and replaced them with moderninzed MiG 21 Jets for its NATO air power operations...that tells you something.

F-7 NI jet is still superior to MiG 21 Lancer and Bison because of the new F-7 jet swept wing and bubble canopy for extra capacity in dog fight maneuvers, ground attack maneuvers and enemy aircraft spotting in visual range combat. The only area the MiG 21 Lancer and Bison have an edge is beyond visual range radar and missiles.

Now let us read what other military forums around the world are saying, some of the commentators are real jet fighter pilots in the best air forces of the world today....surprises for you if you read :


"The MiG-21 LanceR is still a MiG-21, the airframe is the same, while the engine suffered minor modifications. However, just as long the radar and weapons systems installed onboard will be competitive, just as long the helmet mounted display and firing system will continue to represent the edge of technology, and just as long the Romanian fighter pilots will continue to win international exercises, the MiG-21 Lancer will remain a formidable opponent, often under-evaluated by foreign analysts.

Some will argue that they have the best planes in the world and no MiG-21, no matter what it carries onboard, will ever be able to face an F-15, F-18 or F-16 in combat. Well, all those pilots who have flown the Lancer, may they be French, American, Dutch, Belgian or British have been extremely impressed of its performances and the American fighter pilots have stated that the Lancer has real chances to win a dogfight with any of their fighters.

http://www.lockonfiles.com/topic/35934-mig-21-lancer/



A No.20 Sqn 'Cheetahs' F-7PG aircraft doing effective low-level attack as in the weblink below. This air superiority squadron is tasked with day/night air superiority and day ground attack /Close-Air-Support (CAS) to ground forces. No.20 Sqn has been a vital fighting element of PAF since more than past 55 years. Over the years this unit has performed in Tactial Reconnaissance, Tactial day/night attack and air-superiority roles.

http://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_F-7.htm



F-7 jets droping counter measure flares to defend itself against enemy missiles in combat

http://www.pafwallpapers.com/gallery_F-7/F-7s_horizon_flares.jpg



The pilot also says the IAF’s MiG-21 Bison aircraft, modified with Israeli radar, active radar missiles and electronic jammers, are nearly “invisible” to the F-15 and F-16’s current mechanically-scanned arrays, allowing the Indian pilots to sneak past the USAF radar screen and engage the F-15s and F-16s in dogfights.

“The MiG-21 had the ability to get in the scissors with you at 110kts at 60 degrees nose high and go from 10,000 to 20,000

feet,” he said.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/defence-strategic-issues/22338-indian-mig-21-bison-v-s-paf-jf-17-has-edge-2.html



Draft copy of the exercise Cope India report says:

While the superb performances of IAF Sukhoi-30s were somewhat anticipated, the performance of MiG-21Bison came as a major

“unpleasant surprise” to the USAF officials. It also validates the claim of the Russian officials that they are capable of successfully converting “second generation” late-model MiG-21bis fighters to “fourth generation combat platforms”. Inherently the significant positive attributes enjoyed by MiG-21s were their dog fighting ability in WVR (Within Visual Range) combat. Even the earlier models had a low corner velocity of 556 kilometers per hour and at Mach 0.5 had an instantaneous turn rate of 11.1 degrees per second. The MiG-21Bison with more powerful R-25 engines not only considerably bettered this performance but it may also be credited with “jackrabbit” acceleration, a very critical attribute in WVR combat.

A well flown Mig 21 is worth half a dozen badly flown F22's or F35's .


http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?121375-MiG-21-still-unpleasant-surprise-at-Cope-India-exercise-how-so

http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Perfor...6439329&sr=1-1



Among many fourth generations attributes added to the IAF MiG-21Bison design, the incorporation of HMS (Helmet Mounted Sight) and high-off-boresight R-73RDM2 NBVR/WVR (Near Beyond Visual Range/Within Visual Range) AAMs (Air-to-Air Missiles) have turned it into a “Great Equalizer” in the WVR combat scenario. Conceptually a small number of MiG-21Bisons maintaining “radar silence” can be guided towards their aerial target by a couple of Sukhoi-30s by secure data links in accordance with MFFC (Mixed Fighter Force Concept).


Upon entering into an WVR combat envelope the MiG-21 Bisons armed with HMS and deadly NBVR/WVR missiles had the capability of destroying even 5th generation jet fighters like F-22 Raptor as assessed by high-profile Jet Fighter Pilot and Analyst Ben Lambeth of RAND Corporation. According to Lambeth “in visual combat everybody dies at the same rate.”


F/A-22 also has to slow down if forced into a WVR combat scenario and loses the advantage of its super-cruise attributes.The situation further complicates if the IAF Sukhoi-30s have acquired the capability of providing target illumination for RVV-AE (AA-12 Adder) BVR missiles being launched from IAF MiG-21Bisons at extended ranges.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2428939



MiG 21 Lancers have also participated successfully in various NATO exercises. The modernized aircraft demonstrated exceptional readiness levels, relative to their former status, as well as to comparable NATO air forces. In such exercises, the Romanian pilots could participate in the most sophisticated modes of operations, such as laser designation of targets, and precision attacks -capabilities that are yet to be acquired by NATO newcomers.


The MiG 21 Lancer fleet now constitutes the backbone of the Romanian Air Force, performing air defense, close air support and training roles. The aircraft can carry both Eastern and western armament, and perform extremely accurate attacks with both “iron bombs” and precision guided weapons. Lancer is cleared for missiles such as the R60, R73 and Python 3 missiles, 250 and 500 lb bombs, laser guided munitions, targeting, ECM and Reconnaissance pods etc. The Lancer has demonstrated a circular error point (CEP) accuracy of 7 mil/radian and below, while maintaining 1-2meter CEP with laser guided weapons. The aircraft is also cleared for asymmetric loading of weapons, which provides a more flexible and economical use of weapons. Among the 110 aircraft, 85 are configured for ground attack, equipped with a ranging radar, while 25 are air defense variants, using the Elta EL/M-2032 air combat radar.

http://defense-update.com/news/lancer.htm "



F-7 NI Jets and its counterparts MiG 21 Lancer and Bison, will match any MiG 29, F-16, F-18 or Gripen jet in within visual range battle of less than 37km range distance.

All south african Gripen jets have ONLY within visual range missiles whether the current IRIS-T or the planned/still awaited A-DARTER missiles. FACT !!!

For all people, Nigerians, South Africans, Ugandans, Angolans, and others who have underestimated Nigerian version called F-7 NI jets, i have allowed real military experts around the world to talk and help you correct your wrong views that F-7NI jet is crap in air combat and weak in ground attack
.

Augustus

This says nothing about the F-7. Its all completely unrelated!!

This is just nonsense and unrelated posts - most of which are based on OPINION

This guy.. let me ask you... if the F-7 is so good.... why is your airforce desperate to replace it?

agaugust:


Still won't save SAAF Gripen with 25 km range missile from NAF F-7 with 35 km range near BVR missile.

Case closed
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Only you Thu k it is 35km. Any case we have your seekerhead. We can tailor make counter measures just for it.

agaugust:


Both F-7 and Gripen have poor maneuverability.

F-7 has superior altitude over the Gripen.

F-7NI with near BVR missiles like NAF has, will shoot down a SAAF Gripen, South Africa parades poorly armed Gripen jets, that's why you will lose air combat fighting Nigeria.

SAAF is over hyped by Hollywood style videos
.

Did you not watch the video from the air show? The gripen is super agile able to pull insane turns and maintain speed.


By 2km. Still in weapons range.

You will miss every shot. Since you useing a missile we have the seekerhead for.


NAF. A bloody joke even Angola in the 80s was better.

agaugust:


Gripen is NOT faster than F-7, they have same speed.

Rather F-7 climbs to higher altitude than Gripen with extra 2km ceiling advantage for F-7 especially in a cannon battle dog fight.

Also the F-7 has two 30 mm cannon while Gripen has only one 23 mm cannon. One hist from F-7 on Gripen will tear the Gripen into pieces, F-7 has 3 times more cannon firepower over the Gripen.

Yes 2 missiles when F-7 is traveling 850 km, but 5 missiles when F-7 is traveling half that distance.

When both aircraft have used chaff and flares to waste their missiles, the F-7 will demolish Gripen with superior flight altitude advantage and 3 times greater cannon firepower .

You don't judge an aircraft by it's name or public image, jets fight according to their technical capabilities as machines.

NAF has 35 km range missile on F-7 plus all the other advantages I listed above.

In combat, the SAAF will NOT be able to defeat NAF, except spirit angels from heaven come down to your rescue....and they won't like your Homosex.ual pilots....ya just a bunch of sinners, Gays, R.apists, etc !
.

Gripen is a bit faster. Cannons effect range is beyond 2km. SAAF is a low altuide master.


F7 will run out first. Even fitted out as a bomber the gripen can match the F7. In a dog fight the better aglity of the gripen will insure it wins.


No it does not. The SAM verstion is 35km.


6 gripens could wipe you out.

MikeCZAR:
Your air force deploy out your boarders in a contested air space.
You'll only be able to deploy trainers for light strikes.

what do you mean "light strikes"?,we have deployed battalions of troops into the heart of a warzone on many occassions.
we have the necessary aircraft,including helicopters to do that.our paratroopers are one of the best,trained by the russian spietnaz and british special unit.

MikeCZAR:
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Quick scenario: Uganda threatens a ground invasion of South Sudan after air strikes crippling the small country's air port radars.
South Sudan calls upon Nigeria for help.
What would Nigeria do?

Simple,we send in a few of our F7,coupled with one or two attack helicopters to an airbase in South Sudan using a transport aircraft.we then pound uganda from our position in sudan,not even its second-hand SU30 combat aircrafts will save uganda from total demolition.

andrewza:


Did you not watch the video from the air show? The gripen is super agile able to pull insane turns and maintain speed.


By 2km. Still in weapons range.

You will miss every shot. Since you useing a missile we have the seekerhead for.


NAF. A bloody joke even Angola in the 80s was better.

@agaugast is just a piece of wood that would never listen to you. You are just wasting your time, but the world knows that the Gripen jet is by far better fighter than J7/F7. the J7 does not even come any closer nor even the J10 all of those do not stand a chance.

In terms of twin engined fighters

@agaugust is just like some of the people who thinks that just because the fighter comprises twin engine will be a better fighter than fighters with single engine. There are some of the aspects that will need to be taken into consideration. A twin engined fighter with poor avionics, detection radar ranger and weapon system will still be a bad fighter.

Patchesagain:

We still have weapons grade material that could be used to build "half a dozen" weapons
Read the artical

half a dozen nuclear weapons hardly makes any nation a nuclear powerhouse.a concerted barrage of precision airstrikes will destroy every single particle of nuclear substance you have left{if the burglars dont get it first}.

EVarn:
half a dozen nuclear weapons hardly makes any nation a nuclear powerhouse.a concerted barrage of precision airstrikes will destroy every single particle of nuclear substance you have left{if the burglars dont get it first}.

You are sick, only 33 pounds of weapon grade uranium is enough to make a single atom bomb. SA has over 1300 and over 600 pounds of of weapon grade uranium. That is more than enough to make SA a world nuclear power along with other 9 nuclear powers and that include over 200 kg of Nuclear weapon fuel.


Do you even know that only a single nuclear atomic bomb can tear the whole of Abuja apart beyond recognition.

Patchesagain:

Iran doesnt have a nuclear weapon
North Korea? please

Iran has the skills and equippments needed to discover a nuclear weapon,it doesnt matter if they dont yet have nuclear bombs,they will soon.
Yes,North Korea will offer us nuclear training and capacity,infact,they could even sell dozens of nuclear warheads to us,afterall they once offered us missile technology.if we had taken up their offer,we would have been able to pound saudi arabia,morocco,south africa and even the US from the comfort of our parlours.

EVarn:
Iran has the skills and equippments needed to discover a nuclear weapon,it doesnt matter if they dont yet have nuclear bombs,they will soon.
Yes,North Korea will offer us nuclear training and capacity,infact,they could even sell dozens of nuclear warheads to us,afterall they once offered us missile technology.if we had taken up their offer,we would have been able to pound saudi arabia,morocco,south africa and even the US from the comfort of our parlours.

YOU STATEMENT ABOVE IS GROSSLY UNTRUE. THERE IS NO SALES OF NUCLEAR WARHEADS.


WHY IS IT THAT YOU NIGERIANS LACK QUALITY EDUCATION?

EVarn:
Iran has the skills and equippments needed to discover a nuclear weapon,it doesnt matter if they dont yet have nuclear bombs,they will soon.
Yes,North Korea will offer us nuclear training and capacity,infact,they could even sell dozens of nuclear warheads to us,afterall they once offered us missile technology.if we had taken up their offer,we would have been able to pound saudi arabia,morocco,south africa and even the US from the comfort of our parlours.

Iran is in trouble because it has been trying to enrich uranium for years. A process which todate is not complete. South Africa already has weapons grade nuclear fuel. Enough to make at least three nuclear bombs the size of the one that dropped in Hiroshima. At least.

Look at the South African circle - it is dark red in the middle. That means South Africa has bomb grade uranium already - and is the only country in the red category that has that.

SA BY FAR AFRICAS LARGEST PRODUCER OF NUCLEAR RADIOACTIVE ISOTOPES AND THE SECOND WORLD PRODUCER ONLY AFTER CANADA.


http://www.bloomberg.com/bcom/iframe/user-proxy#reg|service|{"state":"ready"}

Msauza:

You are sick, only 33 pounds of weapon grade uranium is enough to make a single atom bomb. SA has over 1300 and over 600 pounds of of weapon grade uranium. That is more than enough to make SA a world nuclear power along with other 9 nuclear powers and that include over 200 kg of Nuclear weapon fuel.
Do you even know that only a single nuclear atomic bomb can tear the whole of Abuja apart beyond recognition.

33 pound of weapon grade uranium will build a nuclear bomb effective enough to wipe out a cluster of towns,dont agrandize your meagre nuclear materials,you talk as if 200kg of uranium is enough to sink a galaxy.
How many kilograms of enriched uranium did the first atomic bomb contain?.hiroshima is barely the size of maiduguri.
We also have high caliber uranium,even if it isnt enriched,it is still highly radioactive; if oscillated at a supersonic speed,at a very high temperature in a supercharged atmosphere,the resulting detonation will be very devastating.