EVarn:
lol.you are already feeling heat.we already have a nuclear weapon.

EVarn:
JOur uranium can be readily transmorphed into weaponized radioactive substance if we decide to buy the technology needed.

agaugust:


That is for ground launch becuse the fire control radar is fixed on the ground and cannot fly, the air launch has fire control radar inside the airborne

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Msauza:


I really do not gain anything from arguing with you.

EVarn:
then stop arguing,au revoir to you.

EVarn:
Our military is the best,42 towns in 5 weeks,a veritable slap on NATO's face.
Obama was quick to release a video practically begging us for forgiveness.
All SANDF is known for is to get killed by child rebels.

patches689:


Literally every NATO nation, as well as (amongst others) Egypt, Algeria, South Africa, China, India, Japan, Korea, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Pakistan, Uganda, N Sudan, Morocco, Iran, Iraq... well... you get the picture.

Standardization requires three things:

1. Development of a military wide doctrine
2. Commitment to that doctirne
3. Procurement that account for future (not current) threats.

South Africa just aquired 236 IFV's (with follow up orders likely in the 2020's)... in peace-time... in a ZERO threat environment.

Looking at the vehical inventory of the Nigerian military gives me a headache... trying to co-ordinate and run all those vehical types is impossible.

Nigeria currently has 601 wheeled APC's and IFV's... of these there are 10 vehical types.

Say for example you standardized it with the BTR-80, a good allrounder that can be heavily upgraded. And purchased say 601 of them. (just for the sake of the argument)

It then becomes economically viable to build them... and you could build 600 over 10 years, at a cost of $500 000- $1mill per vehical (worst case $60 mil a year)
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product116.html

You have now standardized your military, grown domestic armament industries and cut MASSIVE costs in keeping such an unweildy array of vehicals in operation.

And yes, not every single IFV should be the same vehical. Ideally you would want a light (air-mobile and amphibious), medium (amphibious wheeled) and heavy (tracked) IFV in serive... but my point remains the same, all you do is tweak the ratio's (300 light, 200 medium and 100 heavy or whatever depending on your force design)

Such a vast array of vehicals is a hinderance, a massive one, from logistics and training, to feild operations. Everything is negatively affected.

Henry120:


It makes sense. Unfortunately i'm not in charge of procurement at DHQ.

However let it be known, as a military Doctrine, Nigeria has and would always continue to carry out a diverse procurement Policy.

Nigeria had one of the most internationally diversified and balanced defense procurement strategies. Nigeria acquired arms from about eight suppliers during 1978-82, tying Zaire as the most diversified sub-Saharan state (see table 20, Appendix). Its largest supplier during that period, West Germany, provided only about one-third of its US$845 million total. This diversified pattern became even more pronounced in the mid-1980s. During 1983-87, Nigeria imported military matériel valued at US$1.5 billion from about ten major suppliers--more than any other African state, and Italy, its largest supplier, accounted for only 23 percent.


And,

http://www.bpp.gov.ng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=190:bpp-facilitates-defence-headquarters-procurement-awareness-seminar&catid=83:latest-news&Itemid=238

Msauza:

Yep you don't have any nuclear weapon material, spare that argument for the likes of India and Russia, etc.

Msauza:

Yep you don't have any nuclear weapon material, spare that argument for the likes of India and Russia, etc.

MikeCZAR:
Is that something you should be proud of or you should be shame of?

Your ground forces perform poorly since thee civil war in the 60s.

EVarn:
We crushed Republic of Biafra into smithereens,Biafra had the unholy support of france and other unscrupulous corroborators,yet we squeeze them hard until they became charred husks.Dont forget that [b]Colonel Odumegwu Ogukwu,the then leader of the Peoples Army of Biafra was a trained Nigerian Army general,[/b]and prior to his declared sucession,he was also governor of eastern nigeria under the supreme military council.He had manpower numbering over 30,000 before the war,and 100,000 during the climax of battle.he had a large cache of the nigerian armoury in his control.Yet,we won the war,and the rest is history.
show me what the SANDF have achieved so far,aside from posing with swedish aircrafts and baseless paparazzi.

EVarn:
We crushed Republic of Biafra into smithereens,Biafra had the unholy support of france and other unscrupulous corroborators,yet we squeeze them hard until they became charred husks.Dont forget that Colonel Odumegwu Ogukwu,the then leader of the Peoples Army of Biafra was a trained Nigerian Army general,and prior to his declared sucession,he was also governor of eastern nigeria under the supreme military council.He had manpower numbering over 30,000 before the war,and 100,000 during the climax of battle.he had a large cache of the nigerian armoury in his control.Yet,we won the war,and the rest is history.
show me what the SANDF have achieved so far,aside from posing with swedish aircrafts and baseless paparazzi.

MikeCZAR:
I'm talking about performance.

Your ground forces performed bad during the civil war and in every following war that followed.

Patchesagain:


We still have weapons grade material that could be used to build "half a dozen" weapons

Read the artical

EVarn:
what was i talking about?robots?.we maintain a robust military,your opinions are irrelevant.

Patchesagain:


What is the "2010" level?

What upgrades?

Its still an airframe from the 1950's

agaugust:



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South Africa has joined the United Nations nuclear non-proliferation treaty, you will NOT make any nuclear bombs, or else the world will cripple your country with sanctions again and wreck your already shaky shaky economy....

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_parties_to_the_Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons [/size]
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agaugust:


You can say year 2005 SAAF upgraded Cheetah jets are the same as 1960s Mirage Jets because that us what they actually were, same airframe re-welded.....then you can say they have the same combat capability.

Nope, 2010 F-7NI has nothing to do with 1950s MiG-21.

Different F-7 engine from Chengdu, different wing Swept-Delta, different speed-climb rate-altitude-power thrust-gravity load-ferry range-combat radius-cruise parameters-langing gear-weapons configurations-payload, also added vertical fin stabilizers, new situational awareness cockpit canopy, modern sensors, computers, radar, HOTAS, HUDAWAC, HMS.

As I have said, only a fool thinks NAF's year 2010 F-7NI is same as 1950 MiG-21. Like I should say SAAF 2005 Cheetah jets are same as their original 1960s Mirage III jets because it's actually the same aircraft airframe rewelded by Israel.

Soweto buffoooons
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patches689:


So - you expect us to beleive that the 35km range is the word of god and cannot be questioned

But the 6km ceiling is open to interpretation?

What is wrong with you? Do you respect this thread so little that you are now just trolling?

This is final proof that South Africa is more powerfull than Nigeria. The Nigerians in this forum have given up on honest debate and all we have left is this loser who is so lonely that he trolls internet forums so that he gets someone to talk to.

MikeCZAR:


Maintain?

Since when?

Patchesagain:


Deploy to the Congo like we did in less than a week after the battle of Bangui

#Checkmate

jpphilips:


Another Nigerian who missed history classes, the highest rank Ojukwu attained before 1967 was the rank of colonel and a governor by political appointment, If he ever assumed a General status, it must have been self acclaimed not earned from the Nigerian army, he taught the likes of Murtala Mohammed and Adekunle (black scorpion) in the Ghana defence academy (whatever it is called now), same students of his championed the most fierce blow to Ojukwu's Biafra, that tells you how badly he implemented his board room strategies.

Dont forget to mention that same Ojukwu "ran away","absconded" and practically "abandoned" his own revolution, first of its kind in their history at the time, thanks to General Effiong who negotiated the truce that saved us in a war we were clearly losing but needs to be fueled by the selfish ego of one senseless individual. what is special about a proven coward to be mentioned in history?
The tale of cowardice is so boring to the ears.

I dont know whether you were born at the time but testimonies from survivors said they actually started the war with machete and pitch forks, there was just one military installation in the east and after the January 15 coup by the eastern officers, majority of the arms in that barracks was withdrawn and transferred to Kaduna, that paved the way for the retaliatory coup of July.
The Biafrans practically improvised most of the arms they used, in all fairness, real weaponry started trickling in towards the end of the war when the likes of Ivory coast and France came to their rescue.

It was no news that most Biafran soldiers fought 2 to 1 riffle at the onset of the conflict as a matter of undiluted fact, Calabar sector fell because Ojukwu at some point made a desperate attempt to sustain Enugu by withdrawing Sub machine guns from Calabar " we that are about to die salute you" hope it rings a bell.
Be very careful the level of misinformation you throw out here, your child may be reading and forming a clueless opinion with it.

lezz:
As much as your account of the biafran war might be more accurate, your swift impulse to lecture Evarn numbed your sensitivity to what he was saying. His emphasis was on the Nigerian army. He never sided or implied Ojukwu was a hero.
I would love to see more detailed account of military history and standing from you just like in your last post, that is, hoping your penchant for putting a patriotic Nigerian down doesn't become the overwhelming compulsion.

EVarn:
It is a disturbing dilemma,as you rightly said,my emphasis was on the Nigerian army,nothing i posted was false.@jpphilip lashed violently against me by suscintly claiming that i was aggrandizing ojukwu by portraying him to be an invincible army general,did i call ojukwu a general?,what i posted was: "Colonel Odumegwu Ojukwu",where did i imply that Ojukwu was a ranking general?.
It was also true that Biafra 'inherited' an impressive cache of weapons from the nigerian army,otherwise,what did they fight with for 3 years?.

lezz:
He didn't only missed the import of your post but went ahead to derail the thread by unnecessary and unrelated accounts of that war.

If not for his moniker and detailed accounts of that war I was almost taking him for a southafrica.

His sense of patriotism needs to be bìtćh-slapped into active / defensive status.

And if he has no more information to promote the Nigerian military, he best stay as an observer.

Patchesagain:


1. Gripen is more maneuverable - lower wing loading
2. Gripen has more advanced avionics (better situational awareness)
3. Italian Grifo-7 has 42km range - Gripen has 120km range radar.
4. Gripen has data-link, meaning it can fly with its radar off and sneak up on the F-7
5. Gripen has more advanced targeting systems - allowing an easyer gun-kill
6. F-7 can only carry 2 AAM's. Gripen can carry 8.
7. Gripens cannon fires faster than the F-7s increasing hit probability

If you want to claim 35km missiles, then that is fine, according to the source you provided they cannot operate above 6 000ft meaning that the Gripen can climb high and attack your defenceless F-7's from 20km out.

F-7 does not stand a chance, theh fact that you would even claim that it does is utterly ludicrous.