This is a two-part question. The first part is “Did God know Satan would rebel and
Adam and Eve would sin?” The answer lies in what the Bible teaches about God’s
knowledge. We know from Scripture that God is omniscient, which literally means “all-
knowing.” Job 37:16 ; Psalm 139:2-4 , 147:5 ; Proverbs 5:21 ; Isaiah 46:9-10 ; and 1 John
3:19-20 leave no doubt that God’s knowledge is infinite and that He knows everything
that has happened in the past, is happening now, and will happen in the future.
Looking at some of the superlatives in these verses—“perfect in knowledge”; “his
understanding has no limit”; “he knows everything”—it is clear that God’s knowledge
is not merely greater than our own, but it is infinitely greater. He knows all things in
totality. Isaiah 46:10 declares He not only knows everything, but He controls
everything as well. How else could He “make known” to us what would happen in the
future and state unequivocally that His plans will come to pass? So, did God know
that Adam and Eve were going to sin? Did He know Lucifer would rebel against Him
and become Satan? Yes! Absolutely! Were they out of His control at any time?
Absolutely not. If God’s knowledge is not perfect, then there is a deficiency in His
nature. Any deficiency in God’s nature means He cannot be God, for God’s very
essence requires the perfection of all His attributes. Therefore, the answer to the first
question must, by necessity, be “yes.”
Moving on to the second part of the question, “Why did God create Satan and Adam
and Eve knowing ahead of time they were going to sin?” This question is a little
trickier because we are asking a “why” question to which the Bible does not usually
provide comprehensive answers. Despite that, we should be able to come to a limited
understanding if we examine some biblical passages. To begin, we have already seen
that God is omniscient and nothing can happen outside of His knowledge. So, if God
knew that Satan would rebel and fall from heaven and that Adam and Eve would sin,
yet He created them anyway, it must mean that the fall of mankind was part of God’s
sovereign plan from the beginning. No other answer makes sense given what we have
been saying thus far.
Now we must be careful to note that Adam and Eve falling into sin does not mean
that God is the author of sin, nor that he tempted Adam and Eve to sin (James 1:13 ).
The fall serves the purpose of God’s overall plan for creation and mankind. This,
again, must be the case, or else the fall of mankind would never have happened.
If we consider what some theologians call the "meta-narrative" (or overarching story
line) of Scripture, we see that biblical history can be roughly divided into three main
sections: 1) paradise (Genesis 1–2 ); 2) paradise lost (Genesis 3 – Revelation 20);
and 3) paradise regained ( Revelation 21–22 ). By far the largest part of the narrative
is devoted to moving from paradise lost to paradise regained. At the center of this
meta-narrative is the cross. The cross was planned from the very beginning ( Acts
2:23 ). It was foreknown and foreordained that Christ would go to the cross and give
His life as a ransom for many ( Matthew 20:28 )—those chosen by God’s foreknowledge
and predestined to be His people (Ephesians 1:4-5 ).
Reading Scripture very carefully and taking what has been said so far, we are led to
the following conclusions:
1. The rebellion of Satan and the fall of mankind were foreknown and foreordained by
God.
2. Those who would become the people of God, the elect, were foreknown and
foreordained by God.
3. The crucifixion of Christ, as atonement for God’s people, was foreknown and
foreordained by God.
So, we are left with the following questions: Why create mankind with the knowledge
of the fall? Why create mankind knowing that only some would be "saved?" Why send
Jesus knowingly to die for a people that knowingly fell into sin? From man’s
perspective, it does not make sense. If the meta-narrative moves from paradise, to
paradise lost, to paradise regained, why not just go straight to paradise regained and
avoid the whole paradise lost interlude?
The only conclusion we can come to, in view of the above assertions, is that God’s
purpose was to create a world in which His glory could be manifest in all its fullness.
The glory of God is the overarching goal of creation. In fact, it is the overarching goal
of everything He does. The universe was created to display God’s glory (Psalm 19:1 ),
and the wrath of God is revealed against those who fail to glorify God (Romans 1:23 ).
Our sin causes us to fall short of God’s glory ( Romans 3:23 ), and in the new heaven
and new earth, the glory of God is what will provide light (Revelation 21:23 ). The glory
of God is manifest when His attributes are on perfect display, and the story of
redemption is part of that.
The best place to see this in Scripture is Romans 9:19-24 . Wrath and mercy display
the riches of God’s glory, and you cannot get either without the fall of mankind.
Therefore, all of these actions—fall, election, redemption, atonement—serve the
purpose of glorifying God. When man fell into sin, God’s mercy was immediately
displayed in not killing him on the spot. God’s patience and forbearance were also on
display as mankind fell deeper into sin prior to the flood. God’s justice and wrath were
on display as He executed judgment during the flood, and God’s mercy and grace
were demonstrated as He saved Noah and his family. God’s wrath and justice will be
revealed in the future when He deals with Satan once and for all ( Revelation 20:7-10 ).
The ultimate exhibition of God’s glory was at the cross where His wrath, justice, and
mercy met. The righteous judgment of all sin was executed at the cross, and God’s
grace was on display in pouring His wrath for sin on His Son, Jesus, instead of on us.
God’s love and grace are on display in those whom He has saved ( John 3:16 ;
Ephesians 2:8-9 ). In the end, God will be glorified as His chosen people worship Him
for all eternity with the angels, and the wicked will also glorify God as His justice and
righteousness will finally be vindicated by the eternal punishment of all unrepentant
sinners (Philippians 2:11 ). None of this could have come to pass without the rebellion
of Satan and the fall of Adam and Eve.
The classic objection to this position is that God’s foreknowledge and foreordination
of the fall damages man’s freedom. In other words, if God created mankind with full
knowledge of the impending fall into sin, how can man be responsible for his sin? The
best answer to this question can be found in the Westminster Confession of Faith
chapter III:
“God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely,
and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God
the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty
or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established” (WFC, III.1)
What this is saying is that God ordains future events in such a way that our freedom
and the working of secondary causes (e.g., laws of nature) are preserved.
Theologians call this “concurrence.” God’s sovereign will flows concurrently with our
free choices in such a way that our free choices always result in the carrying out of
God’s will (by “free choices” we mean that our choices are not coerced by outside
influences).
To summarize, God knew that Satan would rebel and that Adam and Eve would sin in
the Garden of Eden. With that knowledge, God still created Lucifer and Adam and Eve
because creating them and ordaining the fall was part of His sovereign plan to
manifest His glory in all its fullness. Even though the fall was foreknown and
foreordained, our freedom in making choices is not violated because our free choices
are the means by which God’s will is carried out.
With Ifeness Seun Kay17 Davien Xcapizt Cold e.t.c.

Thinking.........

Repeat this question on Sunday when am in the church mood

Special invitation to justfollowit

Everything GOD CREATED WAS GOOD until sin got inside man.The last enemies God will destroy is SIN/dEATH.SIN make peeps look ugly.GOD has given us POWER,AUTHORITY/DOMINION over sin issue/saTAN

Bros you are going too far and I wonder if you ask that question in good faith.

God is God and forever will not share His glory with any man.

Pvin:
Repeat this question on Sunday when am in the church mood

How is that a question?

psucc:
Bros you are going too far and I wonder if you ask that question in good faith.

God is God and forever will not share His glory with any man.

You didn't even bother reading it, its very interesting.

I'm waiting for you, davien or whatever your name is

Misogynist2014:
Special invitation to justfollowit

Declined

Not Interested

Misogynist2014:
How is that a question?

And you are using a question mark =? Akara ajuju

No qualms

Justfollowit:


Declined

Not Interested

Everything is present in GOD. GOD knows everything among which is evil; Of what use is knowing something without experiencing that thing? It's simply no use. So GOD created devils to show Him what evil looks and feels like. GOD can not do evil willingly by himself.

Misogynist2014:
This is a two-part question. The first part is “Did God know Satan would rebel and
Adam and Eve would sin?” The answer lies in what the Bible teaches about God’s
knowledge. We know from Scripture that God is omniscient, which literally means “all-
knowing.” Job 37:16 ; Psalm 139:2-4 , 147:5 ; Proverbs 5:21 ; Isaiah 46:9-10 ; and 1 John
3:19-20 leave no doubt that God’s knowledge is infinite and that He knows everything
that has happened in the past, is happening now, and will happen in the future.
Looking at some of the superlatives in these verses—“perfect in knowledge”; “his
understanding has no limit”; “he knows everything”—it is clear that God’s knowledge
is not merely greater than our own, but it is infinitely greater. He knows all things in
totality. Isaiah 46:10 declares He not only knows everything, but He controls
everything as well. How else could He “make known” to us what would happen in the
future and state unequivocally that His plans will come to pass? So, did God know
that Adam and Eve were going to sin? Did He know Lucifer would rebel against Him
and become Satan? Yes! Absolutely! Were they out of His control at any time?
Absolutely not. If God’s knowledge is not perfect, then there is a deficiency in His
nature. Any deficiency in God’s nature means He cannot be God, for God’s very
essence requires the perfection of all His attributes. Therefore, the answer to the first
question must, by necessity, be “yes.”
Moving on to the second part of the question, “Why did God create Satan and Adam
and Eve knowing ahead of time they were going to sin?” This question is a little
trickier because we are asking a “why” question to which the Bible does not usually
provide comprehensive answers. Despite that, we should be able to come to a limited
understanding if we examine some biblical passages. To begin, we have already seen
that God is omniscient and nothing can happen outside of His knowledge. So, if God
knew that Satan would rebel and fall from heaven and that Adam and Eve would sin,
yet He created them anyway, it must mean that the fall of mankind was part of God’s
sovereign plan from the beginning. No other answer makes sense given what we have
been saying thus far.
Now we must be careful to note that Adam and Eve falling into sin does not mean
that God is the author of sin, nor that he tempted Adam and Eve to sin (James 1:13 ).
The fall serves the purpose of God’s overall plan for creation and mankind. This,
again, must be the case, or else the fall of mankind would never have happened.
If we consider what some theologians call the "meta-narrative" (or overarching story
line) of Scripture, we see that biblical history can be roughly divided into three main
sections: 1) paradise (Genesis 1–2 ); 2) paradise lost (Genesis 3 – Revelation 20);
and 3) paradise regained ( Revelation 21–22 ). By far the largest part of the narrative
is devoted to moving from paradise lost to paradise regained. At the center of this
meta-narrative is the cross. The cross was planned from the very beginning ( Acts
2:23 ). It was foreknown and foreordained that Christ would go to the cross and give
His life as a ransom for many ( Matthew 20:28 )—those chosen by God’s foreknowledge
and predestined to be His people (Ephesians 1:4-5 ).
Reading Scripture very carefully and taking what has been said so far, we are led to
the following conclusions:
1. The rebellion of Satan and the fall of mankind were foreknown and foreordained by
God.
2. Those who would become the people of God, the elect, were foreknown and
foreordained by God.
3. The crucifixion of Christ, as atonement for God’s people, was foreknown and
foreordained by God.
So, we are left with the following questions: Why create mankind with the knowledge
of the fall? Why create mankind knowing that only some would be "saved?" Why send
Jesus knowingly to die for a people that knowingly fell into sin? From man’s
perspective, it does not make sense. If the meta-narrative moves from paradise, to
paradise lost, to paradise regained, why not just go straight to paradise regained and
avoid the whole paradise lost interlude?
The only conclusion we can come to, in view of the above assertions, is that God’s
purpose was to create a world in which His glory could be manifest in all its fullness.
The glory of God is the overarching goal of creation. In fact, it is the overarching goal
of everything He does. The universe was created to display God’s glory (Psalm 19:1 ),
and the wrath of God is revealed against those who fail to glorify God (Romans 1:23 ).
Our sin causes us to fall short of God’s glory ( Romans 3:23 ), and in the new heaven
and new earth, the glory of God is what will provide light (Revelation 21:23 ). The glory
of God is manifest when His attributes are on perfect display, and the story of
redemption is part of that.
The best place to see this in Scripture is Romans 9:19-24 . Wrath and mercy display
the riches of God’s glory, and you cannot get either without the fall of mankind.
Therefore, all of these actions—fall, election, redemption, atonement—serve the
purpose of glorifying God. When man fell into sin, God’s mercy was immediately
displayed in not killing him on the spot. God’s patience and forbearance were also on
display as mankind fell deeper into sin prior to the flood. God’s justice and wrath were
on display as He executed judgment during the flood, and God’s mercy and grace
were demonstrated as He saved Noah and his family. God’s wrath and justice will be
revealed in the future when He deals with Satan once and for all ( Revelation 20:7-10 ).
The ultimate exhibition of God’s glory was at the cross where His wrath, justice, and
mercy met. The righteous judgment of all sin was executed at the cross, and God’s
grace was on display in pouring His wrath for sin on His Son, Jesus, instead of on us.
God’s love and grace are on display in those whom He has saved ( John 3:16 ;
Ephesians 2:8-9 ). In the end, God will be glorified as His chosen people worship Him
for all eternity with the angels, and the wicked will also glorify God as His justice and
righteousness will finally be vindicated by the eternal punishment of all unrepentant
sinners (Philippians 2:11 ). None of this could have come to pass without the rebellion
of Satan and the fall of Adam and Eve.
The classic objection to this position is that God’s foreknowledge and foreordination
of the fall damages man’s freedom. In other words, if God created mankind with full
knowledge of the impending fall into sin, how can man be responsible for his sin? The
best answer to this question can be found in the Westminster Confession of Faith
chapter III:
“God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely,
and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass; yet so, as thereby neither is God
the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty
or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established” (WFC, III.1)
What this is saying is that God ordains future events in such a way that our freedom
and the working of secondary causes (e.g., laws of nature) are preserved.
Theologians call this “concurrence.” God’s sovereign will flows concurrently with our
free choices in such a way that our free choices always result in the carrying out of
God’s will (by “free choices” we mean that our choices are not coerced by outside
influences).
To summarize, God knew that Satan would rebel and that Adam and Eve would sin in
the Garden of Eden. With that knowledge, God still created Lucifer and Adam and Eve
because creating them and ordaining the fall was part of His sovereign plan to
manifest His glory in all its fullness. Even though the fall was foreknown and
foreordained, our freedom in making choices is not violated because our free choices
are the means by which God’s will is carried out.
With Ifeness Seun Kay17 Davien Xcapizt Cold e.t.c.

gatiano:
Everything is present in GOD. GOD knows everything among which is evil; Of what use is knowing something without experiencing that thing? It's simply no use. So GOD created devils to show Him what evil looks and feels like. GOD can not do evil willingly by himself.

What happens when you have 0% happiness? Let us say happiness can be detected like alkalinity, the lower your alkalinity, the more your acidity, 14 is 100% base, btw 11 and 13 is strong base and 7 is neutral. When your alkalinity reads btw 1 and 3, you have a strong acid and when it reads 0, it is pure acid, pure, 100%. Therefore, if I produce a base, I automatically produce an acid. You can also use it from the stand point of acid or say they are independent, but I think my point is established that you don't necessarily have to create evil, because evil itself is self-existent with good, because evil itself is good in its zero state. God created evil because He created good.

RELIGION: Confusing the people since 0000.

I do understand what you meant. Both good and evil is present in GOD. GOD had experienced good for trillions upon trillions of years. Yet he knew there was also evil present in Him, He brought the evil out by suppressing the good, this took a period of 44,000 years; After which he was able to bring that recessive trait gene out of Himself, this took 666 years (thus the number of the beast, which is also the number of Man). GOD has both dominant and recessive trait gene.
The recessive trait character is weak and susceptible to doing wickedness and evil without conscience or remorse.
The dominant and recessive trait character has a lot of conscience and he is bent towards doing what is righteous.
However; according to a chapter in the books of kings in the bible it says "when the devil teaches the children of GOD evil, the children of GOD become twice as wicked than the devil himself" i did not quote that word for word.

According to GOD's way, "to know is to be" and "to learn about something is to be that thing".

Do you think it is a magic or miracle to build the universe and everything in it? It took "countless of trillions" of years through supreme wisdom, knowledge , experience, life amongst many which covers all areas of sciences,mathematics and humanities and much more which our mind is yet to conceive.

Misogynist2014:
What happens when you have 0% happiness? Let us say happiness can be detected like alkalinity, the lower your alkalinity, the more your acidity, 14 is 100% base, btw 11 and 13 is strong base and 7 is neutral. When your alkalinity reads btw 1 and 3, you have a strong acid and when it reads 0, it is pure acid, pure, 100%. Therefore, if I produce a base, I automatically produce an acid. You can also use it from the stand point of acid or say they are independent, but I think my point is established that you don't necessarily have to create evil, because evil itself is self-existent with good, because evil itself is good in its zero state. God created evil because He created good.

Yahweh is no God. Yahweh himself was created.

gatiano:
I do understand what you meant. Both good and evil is present in GOD. GOD had experienced good for trillions upon trillions of years. Yet he knew there was also evil present in Him, He brought the evil out by suppressing the good, this took a period of 44,000 years; After which he was able to bring that recessive trait gene out of Himself, this took 666 years (thus the number of the beast, which is also the number of Man). GOD has both dominant and recessive trait gene.
The recessive trait character is weak and susceptible to doing wickedness and evil without conscience or remorse.
The dominant and recessive trait character has a lot of conscience and he is bent towards doing what is righteous.
However; according to a chapter in the books of kings in the bible it says "when the devil teaches the children of GOD evil, the children of GOD become twice as wicked than the devil himself" i did not quote that word for word.

According to GOD's way, "to know is to be" and "to learn about something is to be that thing".

Do you think it is a magic or miracle to build the universe and everything in it? It took "countless of trillions" of years through supreme wisdom, knowledge , experience, life amongst many which covers all areas of sciences,mathematics and humanities and much more which our mind is yet to conceive.

Could you pls give me the chapter and verse you've just quoted? Your post is quite puzzling, sad as it may. I just need a line of summary so as to reply you appropriately, thanks.

ifeness:
Yahweh is no God. Yahweh himself was created.

I understand you, but let us hold other issues constant and discuss this vital issue. Do you agree with the points made above?

Matthew 23:15
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

I can't recall the place exactly in kings, when i do, i'd sure post it.

From the character traits of both the dominant and recessive genes came the characters trait of the recessive genes.

Acts 17:26- and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, OR

26 And He hath made of one blood all nations of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation,

So check the races of this world, who has both the dominant and the recessive genes
and who has only the recessive?
this is not to divide, it is to establish the truth, it is simply knowledge.

Misogynist2014:
Could you pls give me the chapter and verse you've just quoted? Your post is quite puzzling, sad as it may. I just need a line of summary so as to reply you appropriately, thanks.

See long post, op take this una copy and paste easy naaa

Am i supposed to read all that.?

oya summarize it to me make we start?

He didn't know they'd sin.

That'd be stup1d and a waste of time.

They chose to sin, because guess what; they're not robots.

He knew everything they would do and even what they think before they actually do it. When GOD made devil, he made plans for the devil's destruction too. He actually made the devil's destruction before He made the devil. Thus devil saw and knew of his own destruction from his very beginning, he (devil) didn't just know how.

MzNelly:
He didn't know they'd sin.

That'd be stup1d and a waste of time.

They chose to sin, because guess what; they're not robots.

gatiano:
He knew everything they would do and even what they think before they actually do it. When GOD made devil, he made plans for the devil's destruction too. He actually made the devil's destruction before He made the devil. Thus devil saw and knew of his own destruction from his very beginning, he (devil) didn't just know how.

So na action movie God plan?

This makes a whole lotta sense to you?

crystan clear than ever before. it makes all the sense to me, to those who undertand and to those who are open minded and ofcourse the brave.

MzNelly:


So na action movie God plan?

This makes a whole lotta sense to you?

gatiano:
crystan clear than ever before. it makes all the sense to me, to those who undertand and to those who are open minded and ofcourse the brave.

Okay Sir

MzNelly:


So na action movie God plan?

This makes a whole lotta sense to you?

In an action movie, each actor is to do as it is written of him in the script given to him, he has no freewill in decision making, but God in his most wise counsel allowed everything that came to pass to be, such that everything went on in a way that matches His own will. Will repeat the thread on Sunday. I found it on the internet and saw it makes a lot of sense.

johnydon22:
See long post, op take this una copy and paste easy naaa

Am i supposed to read all that.?

oya summarize it to me make we start?

In an action movie, each actor is to do as it is written of him in the script given to him,
he has no freewill in decision making, but God in his most wise counsel allowed
everything that came to pass to be, such that everything went on in a way that matches
His own will. Will repeat the thread on Sunday. I found it on the internet and saw it
makes a lot of sense.

Misogynist2014:
What happens when you have 0% happiness? Let us say happiness can be detected like alkalinity, the lower your alkalinity, the more your acidity, 14 is 100% base, btw 11 and 13 is strong base and 7 is neutral. When your alkalinity reads btw 1 and 3, you have a strong acid and when it reads 0, it is pure acid, pure, 100%. Therefore, if I produce a base, I automatically produce an acid. You can also use it from the stand point of acid or say they are independent, but I think my point is established that you don't necessarily have to create evil, because evil itself is self-existent with good, because evil itself is good in its zero state. God created evil because He created good.

Let me summarize by saying Light is called light and appreciated because there's darkness, good health is appreciated because of sickness, positives in general are appreciated because there are negatives.
so who'd appreciate, worship, revere God IF there's no Satan?
In all, two things are always involved, just think of it.

gatiano:
Matthew 23:15
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

I can't recall the place exactly in kings, when i do, i'd sure post it.

From the character traits of both the dominant and recessive genes came the characters trait of the recessive genes.

Acts 17:26- and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, OR

26 And He hath made of one blood all nations of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation,

So check the races of this world, who has both the dominant and the recessive genes
and who has only the recessive?
this is not to divide, it is to establish the truth, it is simply knowledge.

Stop trying to lock horns, I used pH scale in my explanation, not genes.
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 John 4:8 ►

AdeniyiA:

Let me summarize by saying Light is called light and appreciated because there's darkness, good health is appreciated because of sickness, positives in general are appreciated because there are negatives.
so who'd appreciate, worship, revere God IF there's no Satan?
In all, two things are always involved, just think of it.

You have made a very good point, like I always say, if you don't fast, you'll never know the worth of food, if you don't get blindfolded, you'll never know the value of sight.

Misogynist2014:
In an action movie, each actor is to do as it is written of him in the script given to him,
he has no freewill in decision making, but God in his most wise counsel allowed
everything that came to pass to be, such that everything went on in a way that matches
His own will. Will repeat the thread on Sunday. I found it on the internet and saw it
makes a lot of sense.

that means that god do not have fore-knowledge of whatever anybody is going to do right?