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Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by parisbookaddict(f): 7:47pm On Mar 27, 2015 |
Pascal's Wager is an argument in apologetic philosophy devised by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist Blaise Pascal (1623–62).[1] It posits that humans all bet with their lives either that God exists or not. Given the possibility that God actually does exist and assuming an infinite gain or loss associated with belief or unbelief in said God (as represented by an eternity in heaven or hell), a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.).[2] Pascal formulated the wager within a Christian framework. The wager was set out in section 233 of Pascal's posthumously published Pensées ("Thoughts". These previously unpublished notes were assembled to form an incomplete treatise on Christian apologetics. Historically, Pascal's Wager was groundbreaking because it charted new territory in probability theory, marked the first formal use of decision theory and anticipated future philosophies such as existentialism, pragmatism and voluntarism.[3] For more, including criticism click http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager
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Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Nobody: 8:15pm On Mar 27, 2015 |
Just a brief take on the wager 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by timmy2409(m): 8:58pm On Mar 27, 2015 |
OP, the chart you posted assumes that you have chosen the right God or religion. Here's what the chart should look like in reality. Feel free to play your odds now. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by johnydon22(m): 9:38pm On Mar 27, 2015 |
And then again you will have to put all God(s) into consideration. . If you are a christian then die and find out islam was right then you are going to get fvcked up in hell. same goes if hindhus were right, if christianity were right, if jainism was right, and so the options extends to more than 5,000 gods . . just how right can you be You are atheistic to 4,999 Gods, atheist just disbelief 1more God than you.. so u see? Your odds as a theist is 99.9% the same with that of an atheist 2 Likes |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by EvilBrain1(m): 10:16pm On Mar 27, 2015 |
Since religious people insist on regurgitating the same dead arguments over and over, I'm going to just copy and paste the same thing I posted 4 years ago. EvilBrain1: 10 Likes |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Ifeann(f): 11:17pm On Mar 27, 2015 |
EvilBrain1: My apologies evilbrain. I dont go around looking at 4 year old topics before posting. Posting Pascals wager isnt a call for u to reject ur believe but rather it proffers an interesting perspective. timmy2409 even posted an expanded version which i found verry interesting. |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Nobody: 1:21am On Mar 28, 2015 |
Pascal's Wager is for stinking hypocrites. |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by johnydon22(m): 1:26am On Mar 28, 2015 |
EnlightenedSoul:and am in love with this one |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Nobody: 3:45am On Mar 28, 2015 |
timmy2409: 'The wager' refers to the creator God. It matters not how each religion choose to identify with it. Your expanded version is just a repetition of the same thing. 1 Like |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Nobody: 3:51am On Mar 28, 2015 |
'The wager' doesn't make much sense to me cause it assumes two extremes: 1) A disbelief in God, necessarily leads one to destruction. 2) A belief in God leads one to salvation. It's not as clear-cut as that. |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by EvilBrain1(m): 7:47am On Mar 28, 2015 |
Ifeann: Fair enough. But you really should search Nairaland or the internet in general to see if what you want to post has already been debunked. You have no idea how annoying it is to have to kill the same zombie argument over and over again. It seems that because Christians cant win on logic, their strategy is to wear atheists down by spamming the section with the same copy/pasted nonsense in multiple threads and pretending each time that its a fresh idea that just occurred to them. The moment no atheist bothers to reply, they start circlejerking each other that they've "proved" god exists and "defeated" the foolish atheists. The amount of energy needed to refute bullshít is an order of magnitude more than the energy needed to produce it. And its very tiring. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by McSterling(m): 8:03am On Mar 28, 2015 |
striktlymi:But isn't a belief in God necessary for salvation? Didn't Jesus say he who believes will be saved and he who doesn't will be damned? Isn't faith and belief inextricably linked? For by grace are ye saved through faith. 1 Like |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by johnydon22(m): 8:24am On Mar 28, 2015 |
McSterling:lol same way belief in allah is necessary for salvation, same goes to krishna, wotan, thor and thousand other GOD. Chances that you chose the right God is just 0.1% (even tho God(s) are just human invention and afterlife is born of out sheer selfish wishful thinking) remember you dont believe in allah, krishna or thor and 4,999 other God(s) the only difference between you and atheist is that an atheist don't believe in 5000 God(s) that includes yours. So assuming islam was right, as a christian you will burn in hell for not believing in God, assuming vikings are right then all adherents of the other 4,999 God(s) will burn in hell for not believing in God. . . so you see? as a theist your chances of being wrong is 99.9% almost same thing with an atheist. 1 Like |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Nobody: 8:40am On Mar 28, 2015 |
McSterling: Yes you are right in a sense but it is not exactly that straightforward. If you read through Luke: 12:47-48 you may realize that the belief Jesus and the Apostles spoke about is also tied to the individual's level of exposure to what is 'true'. Not everyone is gifted with the Christian faith; and for some, whatever it is they practice, they perceive that as the truth because of their level of 'exposure'. For those who are exposed to the Christian faith, for which the Spirit has revealed the 'truth', they have a responsibility to believe. For them "belief" becomes a prerequisite for salvation. This is not applicable to those who do not have such exposure. For these category of persons, their exposure to the natural law as guided by 'right conscience' should suffice. |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by wiegraf: 9:09am On Mar 28, 2015 |
striktlymi: Because every god promises to cook you for eternity for a lack of belief in him? Since when was that part of the definition of the word 'god'? And polytheists are suddenly irrelevant? Pascal was clearly speaking of xtian god. 1 Like |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by McSterling(m): 9:15am On Mar 28, 2015 |
striktlymi:So, according to this, a Muslim who adheres to his religious text's command to kill nonbelievers would be judged by his religious text which is his own truth and could still go to heaven. Even the passage you referred to doesn't entirely preclude punishment for the ignorant. It only alluded to a lesser punishment. It even lends credence to the belief that there is a universal objective truth because there are obviously things "worthy of stripes" which he was ignorant of. If he was to be judged by his own subjective truth, why punish him at all? I concede that your view is more humanistic and less sadistic than what the Bible actually says but I think the Bible is unequivocal in letting us know that only belief in Jesus ensures salvation. Even Jesus said he's the only way to the Father. No two-way about it. This is the motivation for Christian proselytizing. |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by DeepSight(m): 9:18am On Mar 28, 2015 |
Aside the fact that a life lived as a wager absent conviction is a genuine waste; the truth is that neither belief nor unbelief of the sort depicted here renders safe passage for the soul of man upon exit from its physical garment. Only a heart full of undimmed love for all that rests in creation does. |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by wiegraf: 9:29am On Mar 28, 2015 |
DeepSight: E b like say u don iron out d details of dis ur dstism religion. What's the official name? Hire me as one of your pa$tor$ abeg 2 Likes |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Nobody: 10:16am On Mar 28, 2015 |
wiegraf: Perspectives defer, God is the same! |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Nobody: 10:45am On Mar 28, 2015 |
McSterling: That's actually news to me. I know the Quran permits killing during war of a defensive nature but the 'go kill nonbelievers' for no reason is news to me. Anyways, that's by the way... The principle would apply in the case of ignorance. One who, through no fault of his, does wrong for whatever reason and no matter how grave the wrong doing is, can't be held totally guilty for the wrong act. The Muslim, in your example, won't exactly be judged by the standarss of the Quran but by what he is she perceives as good in light with his or her right conscience, even when that is in accordance with the Quran. McSterling: If you read through chapter 8, you would realize that the individual did wrong which I choose to say are against the 'natural order'. The 'natural laws' are written in our hearts, such that no one can claim to be ignorant of them. McSterling: My view was gotten from the Bible. |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by timmy2409(m): 10:56am On Mar 28, 2015 |
striktlymi: *sigh* Please refer to EvilBrain1's reply from 4 years ago. 2 Likes |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Nobody: 10:59am On Mar 28, 2015 |
timmy2409: Nah...I will pass! |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by ooman(m): 4:26pm On Mar 28, 2015 |
striktlymi: Good point. Not all of my effort on you went to waste, apparently. 1 Like |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Nobody: 4:31pm On Mar 28, 2015 |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by wiegraf: 9:00pm On Mar 28, 2015 |
striktlymi: Years pass, folly is the same! |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Redlyn: 11:16am On Mar 29, 2015 |
striktlymi: A responsibility to believe How can one believe what just seems utterly ludicrous. How hard can it be to provide each person with the evidence they need to believe? God created me and knows what is required. He has the responsibility to supply me with the evidence that will convince my rational mind that he himself created. Me burning in hell due to his failure to convince me is all on him. 1 Like |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Nobody: 1:16pm On Mar 29, 2015 |
Redlyn: The post you quoted is simple enough; I wonder why it seems so difficult for you to understand. |
Re: Theists And Atheists What Do U Think Of Pascal's Wager. by Redlyn: 1:33pm On Mar 29, 2015 |
striktlymi: I didn't say I didnt understand it. I just dont have agree with it. I simply expressed my opinion on the matter and asked some questions. |
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