coogar:


labour won in scotland & lib dem came 3rd. the rootless SNP even polled more votes than lib dem there. nick clegg is a fool - he sold out & formed an evil alliance with cameron. both of them would be disgraced out of downing street next month.

i sincerely like gordon brown - he's another monster in politics. even when blair was in power, gordon brown was the german machine. his biggest flaw is his lack of oratory skills.

SNP owns the Scots now.

Nigel Farage is the next PM. His banners are all over pubs in Essex and the yobs are rooting for him lol. Heck, I saw his banners all over Kent when I went there on Tuesday lol. Jk jk jk.

Anyway, they all suck, including Ed "slow bucks" Milliband.

omonnakoda:
Women are always swayed by shiny things. It is said that power is an aphrodisiac
Awolowo fought for the Yorubas while Tinubu fights for himself and for Power. There is so much that taints Tinubu on a personal level and Tinubu falls into the category of "omo buruku ti o l'ojo t'ire.

If you look at Awolowo's legacy it lies not only in infrastructural development of which there is much that endures to this day bearing in mind that he did this with Cocoa money and not oil money but also human development. Much of that endures to this day of the three zones from the first republic Odua Investment company Wema Bank etc are still alive although Wema has been partially divested. Ikeja was part of the Wester Region and developed as an industrial estate by Awo. Airport Hotel in Ikeja is part of His Legacy. He did not acquire government property for himself

His Personal newspaper the Tribune still stands to this day. We must ask the question WHAT HAS TINUBU DONE FOR YORUBA ? For me I would say it is early days but the only thing I see is "bragging rights" but nothing that will endure. Human development has not moved forward.

We must ask what it is Yorubas want from Nigeria
and will we get it under the current arrangement? I am skeptical but I am happy to see the back of Jonathan. There is no comparison between Tinubu and Awo whether in terms of character or achievements for Yoruba

My sentiments

SirShymexx:


SNP owns the Scots now.

Nigel Farage is the next PM. His banners are all over pubs in Essex and the yobs are rooting for him lol. Heck, I saw his banners all over Kent when I went there on Tuesday lol. Jk jk jk.

Anyway, they all suck, including Ed "slow bucks" Milliband.

Are you having a laugh?

Nigel Farage next PM?? Cameron will still be the PM. Anything other than Cameron and Britain will suffer. Labour will return to their old ways, UKIP are too far to the right. SNP no chance in England and LIb Dem have no base.

Katsumoto:


Lib Dem is to the right of Labour. Don't let Blair deceive you, Labour is a completely socialist party. Lib Dems are more centrists.

Are you sure?

I have always looked at them as being on the extreme left. Even their manifesto adds credence to that.

Also, since Labour pushed the Unions to the side - it has been more centrist IMO.

SirShymexx:


Are you sure?

I have always looked at them as being on the extreme left. Even their manifesto adds credence to that.

Also, since Labour pushed the Unions to the side - it has been more centrist IMO.

How could Labour have pushed the Unions to the side and still have Ed Miliband as leader? If they did, David Miliband would be leader and Labour would stand a chance of beating the Tories.

Yes, I am sure - the lib dems are to the right of Labour.

Katsumoto:


Are you having a laugh?

Nigel Farage next PM?? Cameron will still be the PM. Anything other than Cameron and Britain will suffer. Labour will return to their old ways, UKIP are too far to the right. SNP no chance in England and LIb Dem have no base.

Lol. I was just messing about but his banners are everywhere out here in Essex, especially in-front of pubs. I saw the banners in Kent as well.

Hopefully, David Milliband will return to politics, after this election. I heard he is planning to come back after this election.

Sorry for derailing the thread.

Katsumoto:


Lib Dem is to the right of Labour. Don't let Blair deceive you, Labour is a completely socialist party. Lib Dems are more centrists.

Agree!

SirShymexx:

SNP owns the Scots now.
Nigel Farage is the next PM. His banners are all over pubs in Essex and the yobs are rooting for him lol. Heck, I saw his banners all over Kent when I went there on Tuesday lol. Jk jk jk.
Anyway, they all suck, including Ed "slow bucks" Milliband.

Which yeye Farage?! That dude is like the proverbial elephant being led to the slaughter house by the crafty tortoise.

omonnakoda:
Women are always swayed by shiny things. It is said that power is an aphrodisiac
Awolowo fought for the Yorubas while Tinubu fights for himself and for Power. There is so much that taints Tinubu on a personal level and Tinubu falls into the category of "omo buruku ti o l'ojo t'ire.
If you look at Awolowo's legacy it lies not only in infrastructural development of which there is much that endures to this day bearing in mind that he did this with Cocoa money and not oil money but also human development. Much of that endures to this day of the three zones from the first republic Odua Investment company Wema Bank etc are still alive although Wema has been partially divested. Ikeja was part of the Wester Region and developed as an industrial estate by Awo. Airport Hotel in Ikeja is part of His Legacy. He did not acquire government property for himself
His Personal newspaper the Tribune still stands to this day. We must ask the question WHAT HAS TINUBU DONE FOR YORUBA ? For me I would say it is early days but the only thing I see is "bragging rights" but nothing that will endure. Human development has not moved forward.
We must ask what it is Yorubas want from Nigeria
and will we get it under the current arrangement? I am skeptical but I am happy to see the back of Jonathan. There is no comparison between Tinubu and Awo whether in terms of character or achievements for Yoruba

The chance to participate at policy making, so the right decisions can be made for the development of our people, preservation of our land and heritage. I am all for one Nigeria, but there's nothing I want more than for each region to keep what it has and develop at its own pace.

On Awo, I'd much rather not comment on his shortcomings because these fingers will never denigrate Papa Awolowo, but all is not always what they seem.

Those Left Right dichotomies no longer exist at least not purely. Politicians flow with opinion polls . Everyone is embracing gay marriage,anti immigration, anti muslim and similar populist ideas these days.

Katsumoto:


How could Labour have pushed the Unions to the side and still have Ed Miliband as leader? If they did, David Miliband would be leader and Labour would stand a chance of beating the Tories.

Yes, I am sure - the lib dems are to the right of Labour.

Trust me, there is a tug-of-war between the unions and Ed. Yes, they brought him in, with the infamous coup - but he isn't having it anymore.

naijababe:






The chance to participate at policy making, so the right decisions can be made for the development of our people, preservation of our land and heritage. I am all for one Nigeria, but there's nothing I want more than for each region to keep what it has and develop at its own pace.

On Awo, I'd much rather not comment on his shortcomings because these fingers will never denigrate Papa Awolowo, but all is not always what they seem.

Awo was human not an Orisha the issue is a comparison of ACHIEVEMENTS.

Can you tell me one decision/policy you expect to come out of this arrangement that will be of particular benefit to Yorubas. JUST ONE
I imagine preservation of heritage is the domain of state governments I do not see that being influenced by the FG

omonnakoda:
Those Left Right dichotomies no longer exist at least not purely. Politicians flow with opinion polls . Everyone is embracing gay marriage,anti immigration, anti muslim and similar populist ideas these days.

Fluidity of current political times I guess.

@ Coogar, Gordon Brown is British hero, his lack of charisma and unwillingness to even try was his greatest undoing. That guy is the singular reason Britain was insulated from the European crisis and remain largely protected from Grexit!!!

One of the personality I respect on Nairaland is here...Oga Katsumoto I hail thee...You need to be more active bro, where is Dayokanu

Desola:


Onibara e n bole bo o!

What does the above mean? Looks like Hausa-Yooba.

naijababe:

I'd still argue that the Yorubas are more capitalist.
'Oko kii je ti baba tomo koma la'ala'!
It was idealism. . .

Nice one, British Awori heiress. . You don't know CAPITALISM until you've looked into the eyes of an American bureaucrat, doctor, or random social-climber, and seen dollar signs where a soul should be. The economic system that Yorubas and most Africans practice(d) is not the real, pull yourself up by your bootstrap, Darwinian, dog-eat-dog world, chattel slavery into the fourth generation, zero-wealth distribution, capitalist model.

naijababe:


Fluidity of current political times I guess.

@ Coogar, Gordon Brown is British hero, his lack of charisma and unwillingness to even try was his greatest undoing. That guy is the singular reason Britain was insulated from the European crisis and remain largely protected from Grexit!!!

i agree 100%
gordon brown has the showmanship of a doughnut.

patrickmuf:
One of the personality I respect on Nairaland is here...Oga Katsumoto I hail thee...You need to be more active bro, where is Dayokanu

Thanks bro

omonnakoda:

Awo was human not an Orisha the issue is a comparison of ACHIEVEMENTS.

Can you tell me one decision/policy you expect to come out of this arrangement that will be of particular benefit to Yorubas. JUST ONE

Oil derivation for example! We all know the Hausas won't vote for a higher derivation. The SW reps may align with the rest of the southern zones and push it through. It might mean suffering for a bit but it's a policy that in due course will jump start a regional renaissance I hope.

coogar:

i agree 100%
gordon brown has the showmanship of a doughnut.

Coogar!!!! You will not kill me.

naijababe:


Fluidity of current political times I guess.

@ Coogar, Gordon Brown is British hero, his lack of charisma and unwillingness to even try was his greatest undoing. That guy is the singular reason Britain was insulated from the European crisis and remain largely protected from Grexit!!!

I think we have very different politics . What exactly is "European" crisis and was Britain insulated??I consider Gordon a disaster as Chancellor. He sold gold reserves low and spent way beyond the means of the government. He left an empty treasury and Britain did have to contribute to the Greek bailout. To mind my there was a World Crisis affecting Global banks and Britain was as much affected though being outside the Euro meant they had a different set of problems .If he had won the election his strategy was to borrow NOT austerity!!

coogar:


i agree 100%
gordon brown has the showmanship of a doughnut.

Lol.

But what would you call Ed's showmanship? Looool.

Hero regardless, especially what he achieved as the Chancellor. The war just did them in and they destroyed what would have been a Labour era.

Anyway, Blair got the best deal out of all of them - and the millions are still pouring in loool.

omonnakoda:
I think we have very different politics . What exactly is "European" crisis and was Britain insulated??I consider Gordon a disaster as Chancellor. He sold gold reserves low and spent way beyond the means of the government. He left an empty treasury and Britain did have to contribute to the Greek bailout. To mind my there was a World Crisis affecting Global banks and Britain was as much affected though being outside the Euro meant they had a different set of problems .If he had won the election his strategy was to borrow NOT austerity!!

Damn

This man is reading my thoughts.

SirShymexx:

Lol.
But what would you call Ed's showmanship? Looool.

Hero regardless, especially what he achieved as the Chancellor. The war just did them in and they destroyed what would have been a Labour era.

Anyway, Blair got the best deal out of all of them - and the millions are still pouring in loool.

the war ruined them - it was a gamble & they lost. however, if they hadn't gone and it was true saddam had WMDs, it would have been worse for them.

tony blair is a legend!
yes - he's britain's #1 public enemy but he whooped cameron each time they clashed in prime minister question episodes. there has never been a more brilliant british PM.

omonnakoda:
I think we have very different politics . What exactly is "European" crisis and was Britain insulated??I consider Gordon a disaster as Chancellor. He sold gold reserves low and spent way beyond the means of the government. He left an empty treasury and Britain did have to contribute to the Greek bailout. To mind my there was a World Crisis affecting Global banks and Britain was as much affected though being outside the Euro meant they had a different set of problems .If he had won the election his strategy was to borrow NOT austerity!!

No doubt he sold gold reserves o and all those quangos during the boom years did not help his cause but heck Britain would have suffered as much as Germany did if they were part of the Euro. Right now, Grexit is not of the same significance to Britain as it is to the likes of Germany and France.

Katsumoto:

But Socialist and Communist areas all have/had the same concept. Most agrarian societies were structured that way regardless of whether they were communist or capitalist or socialist.

I said communal orientation, not communism. Yoruba society wouldn't have tolerated beggars in the past because everyone would have had an identifiable family lineage expected to take care of them if they fell on hard times. Even slaves and foreigners would have been attached to a household. I don't think the capitalist/socialist theorizing is appropriate for pre-industrial African societies though. On the spectrum of economic ideas, I think most large Yoruba towns/cities were closer to a market-oriented model that rewarded people based on their capacity to earn (the 'capitalist' end), and not on the basis of redistributed wealth from a central authority (the 'communist' extreme). I doubt that this would mean much to the average kola nut trader 300 years ago though.

Socialist and communist societies also produce wealthy people.

No doubt, but I don't think they get to keep much of that wealth under the communist model though. Personal accumulation of wealth is frowned upon and you're not supposed to have the ability to generate wealth for yourself or exploit resources/rent in communism.

question for you and Naijababe - The UK, Germany, & France are all prosperous nations - would you say they are capitalist nations?

Yes, I would say all three are capitalist societies with features of social democracy, like virtually every other developing society on Earth today. The U.S was 'capitalist' in the 1950s when the top tax rates were in the 90%-range, and China is "communist" today despite the rise of Jack Ma and his co-billionaires.

Capitalist societies are centered on the individual; every man for himself. Is it an every man for himself situation in Yorubaland?

Our definitions are different. Capitalism means you are responsible for earning your living and your potential income isn't limited by society. I don't think its synonymous with not having a social safety net. Would Iyalode Tinubu and Salami Agbaje consider themselves communists? I don't even know if Awo's brand of 'socialism' would qualify, being a successful newspaper owner, land investor, lawyer etc.

Again, I don't know if these are useful terms for old-school societies from before the Industrial revolution. I would definitely say Yoruba society was and is entrepreneurial, and that's the opposite of communist in my view.

I agree with everyone about the differences between the Lib Dem/Tory coalition in the UK and APC in Naija. We're talking about two parties in opportunistic alliance versus one. The differences between parliamentary and presidential systems is also too big to ignore.

Also--I don't own any books by Tinubu but I have quite a few by and about Awo. If I were looking for policy, morality or philosophy, Awolowo would get it every time. If I were looking for action, I don't see how Tinubu can be discounted. It's dangerous to turn Awolowo into an ancestor cult without looking at how to improve on his earlier efforts. He did have a tougher field in many ways--they put him in jail, which Tinubu never experienced,--but his bad luck still reduces his accomplishments in real life.

seunmsg:

Tinubu learnt that strict principles and ideology doesn't win election at the federal level. To make an impact, you must form the govt and to form the govt, you must win the election. To win federal election in this era, you must have deep pocket and be able to play dirty. PDP doesn't campaign based on ideology. They simply muscle you with security apparatus and buy willing voters with huge cash. To defeat them, you must do same. It may not sound too good but that's the politics of this era and Tinubu is a master of the game.

Exactly.

coogar:


the war ruined them - it was a gamble & they lost. however, if they hadn't gone and it was true saddam had WMDs, it would have been worse for them.

tony blair is a legend!
yes - he's britain's #1 public enemy but he whooped cameron each time they clashed in prime minister question episodes. there has never been a more brilliant british PM.

You forgot John Major, Micheal whateverhislastnamewas, Iain Duncan-Smith, William Hague and finally Davie boy

omonnakoda:
Women are always swayed by shiny things. It is said that power is an aphrodisiac
Awolowo fought for the Yorubas while Tinubu fights for himself and for Power. There is so much that taints Tinubu on a personal level and Tinubu falls into the category of "omo buruku ti o l'ojo t'ire.

If you look at Awolowo's legacy it lies not only in infrastructural development of which there is much that endures to this day bearing in mind that he did this with Cocoa money and not oil money but also human development. Much of that endures to this day of the three zones from the first republic Odua Investment company Wema Bank etc are still alive although Wema has been partially divested. Ikeja was part of the Wester Region and developed as an industrial estate by Awo. Airport Hotel in Ikeja is part of His Legacy. He did not acquire government property for himself

His Personal newspaper the Tribune still stands to this day. We must ask the question WHAT HAS TINUBU DONE FOR YORUBA ? For me I would say it is early days but the only thing I see is "bragging rights" but nothing that will endure. Human development has not moved forward.

We must ask what it is Yorubas want from Nigeria
and will we get it under the current arrangement? I am skeptical but I am happy to see the back of Jonathan. There is no comparison between Tinubu and Awo whether in terms of character or achievements for Yoruba

Dude, your opening sentence is bullsh!t! I'm not inclined to engage you after seeing that nonsense.

naijababe:


Oil derivation for example! We all know the Hausas won't vote for a higher derivation. The SW reps may align with the rest of the southern zones and push it through. It might mean suffering for a bit but it's a policy that in due course will jump start a regional renaissance I hope.



Coogar!!!! You will know kill me.

I am confused! You believe that potentially this government will change the derivation. Did they campaign on this or was it in their manifesto? I think that many are still quite giddy about the "victory". At any rate why is that more likely under Buhari than GEJ
What Yoruba needs is a strategy to reduce dependence on oil the question is if this will come from Abuja or Ibadan. Methinks Ibadan. There is a lack of clarity about how this will happen and so all I see is just better access to oil revenue for APC chieftains.There is no restructuring agenda

isalegan2:


Dude, your opening sentence is bullsh!t! I'm not inclined to engage you after seeing that nonsense.

I did not address my statement to your mother or father neither did I invite your Oloriebi to get off his wheelchair and engage me so why is your dog foaming at the mouth without a leash

omonnakoda:
I think we have very different politics . What exactly is "European" crisis and was Britain insulated??I consider Gordon a disaster as Chancellor. He sold gold reserves low and spent way beyond the means of the government. He left an empty treasury and Britain did have to contribute to the Greek bailout. To mind my there was a World Crisis affecting Global banks and Britain was as much affected though being outside the Euro meant they had a different set of problems .If he had won the election his strategy was to borrow NOT austerity!!

Yes, he sold the gold reserves - but created financial revolution in the UK, with the free-flow of Russian and Arab money. Ditto real estate.

Have you been to Canary Wharf, City, and the East End lately? You need to see all the skyscrapers littered all over London these days - and they're still building more aggressively. London should look like Hong Kong in the next 20 years.

omonnakoda:
I am confused! You believe that potentially this government will change the derivation. Did they campaign on this or was it in their manifesto? I think that many are still quite giddy about the "victory". At any rate why is that more likely under Buhari than GEJ
What Yoruba needs is a strategy to reduce dependence on oil the question is if this will come from Abuja or Ibadan. Methinks Ibadan. There is a lack of clarity about how this will happen and so all I see is just better access to oil revenue for APC chieftains.There is no restructuring agenda

Dependence will not reduce if derivation does not increase! There is nothing the SS/SE want more, if regional development is truly at the heart of the APC as we being led to believe, this is one of easiest way to make it happen in my opinion.

naijababe:


You forgot John Major, Micheal whateverhislastnamewas, Iain Duncan-Smith, William Hague and finally Davie boy

abeggi, john major is a tramp.
maybe churchill or clement attlee were better but tony blair had downing street locked down for 10 years. he was undefeated at the poll.

minus iraq wahala, we should be worshipping him. his speech? legendary! there was a time he was even accused of copying hitler's oration skills. he's the greatest political communicator i have ever seen.

coogar:

the war ruined them - it was a gamble & they lost. however, if they hadn't gone and it was true saddam had WMDs, it would have been worse for them.

tony blair is a legend!
yes - he's britain's #1 public enemy but he whooped cameron each time they clashed in prime minister question episodes. there has never been a more brilliant british PM.

The war wasn't a gamble - they had the intelligence just like the other European capitals. Blair just went to the oil.

Nigeria needs a pre-Iraq war Tony Blair - legend!

Lol. Don't compare the teacher to the student - Cameron stole everything from Blair. I believe he used to practise how to speak/act like Blair before he got to the parliament.

Where the hell is William Hague these days and his Shakespearean English? - that guy used to crack me up.

omonnakoda:
I did not address my statement to your mother or father neither did I invite your Oloriebi to get off his wheelchair and engage me so why is your dog foaming at the mouth without a leash

You show yourself for what you are. Continue.

I blame those that are wasting their time on you when you start off your post insulting women.

coogar:


abeggi, john major is a tramp.
maybe churchill or clement attlee were better but tony blair had downing street locked down for 10 years. he was undefeated at the poll.

minus iraq wahala, we should be worshipping him. his speech? legendary! there was a time he was even accused of copying hitler's oration skills. he's the greatest political communicator i have ever seen.

Courtesy Channel 4, I saw that programme! A lot of Tony's achievement were watered not by the actual act of going to war but that dodgy dossier and obviously playing second fiddle to Bush after the war! I think many might have forgiven him if the the dossier had not been 'sexed up'

@ Shymexx, William Hague is doing his thing as Foreign Secretary. I think he is doing a good job, unlike Theresa May