agaugust:


Show proof, you have ONLY ONE Ratel until proved.

Nigeria has :

2 units RASIT.....40 km range

30 units Shilka.... 20 km range

16 units Roland.... 18 km range

Dozens of Toyota TV surveillance

We have over 70 vehicles for surveillance. You can NEVER match that number ! We rule battle space !
.

You do know we build radars. We built the Ratel observer so please we have as any as we need.

[size=20pt]I love how Augugbugugug has conceded that Nigeria is 66 years behind South Africa in Ground search radar!!

See how quickly he changed the topic!![/size]

agaugust:


14 toy radars that have no armour or self mobility....and no defensive weapon.

You try go near a Shilka or RASIT and see fire
.

14 radars that can be flown where needed in a helicopter or driven there In a APC. Once in locastion it can be concealed and operate with out fear. That's why they manportable.

jln115:

HAHAHAHAHAH your quite a story teller aren't you?

What about a few citations to back up these fantasy tails.

you southafricans are diminishing the relevance of sources here. Do you really require source to sweeten your dish of denial? You ask for source on facts that has become a byword for the SANDF?

here are your sources, you really know so little about your own country's millitary engagements. Your only motive in this thread is your obvious love for Nigerians.


http://monthlyreview.org/2013/04/01/the-military-defeat-of-the-south-africans-in-angola/

andrewza:

1 frigate and 1 submarine

oh oh....doesnt both frigate and submarine have surveillance installations to detect what was a target drone and what wasnt?

EVarn:
oh oh....doesnt both frigate and submarine have surveillance installations to detect what was a target drone and what wasnt?

At night small boats look like small boats. You struggle to identify a specific boat. Sure they can find a boat but you struggle to say what it is.

EVarn:
lol.I really do enjoy your punchlines....hehehehe

I tell you, I am beginning to like these stubborn southies here. Their strong headedness reminds me of time I used to sweet-talk those stubborn chicks in school until they started draining my phone batteries with date requests. And then I had to improvise to deal with the pressure........ I had to start cancelling dates-lol




Come to think of it, the Angola vs South Africa war was the biggest conventional war in Africa yet. AND South Africa LOST, BIG TIME!!!


The boko haram terrorist insurgent war is the biggest and deadliest in Africa still.
And the Nigerian Military came out tops in an unprecedented military campaign in African history.
This just add to our rich military records in Africa, Europe and on home soil.

The comparison between the SANF and the NA is nothing but a literary exercise for boredom's sake.

lezz:
you southafricans are diminishing the relevance of sources here. Do you really require source to sweeten your dish of denial? You ask for source on facts that has become a byword for the SANDF?

here are your sources, you really know so little about your own country's millitary engagements. Your only motive in this thread is your obvious love for Nigerians.


http://monthlyreview.org/2013/04/01/the-military-defeat-of-the-south-africans-in-angola/

Heres your source, now do me a favour and go read it.
https://sites.google.com/site/sabushwarsite/interesting

agaugust:


You have ONLY one such vehicle.....that's a big problem for large battle space the size of Scotland like in Boko Haram war.

Nigeria has over 50 armoured vehicles all with radars, range from 20 km to 40 km, plus dozens of TV surveillance Toyotas, we spread battlefield surveillance everywhere.....land space as big as Scotland. Your SANDF will cover only one town alone, Mandela's village
.

"You have ONLY one such vehicle"

jln115:


Heres your source, now do me a favour and go read it.
https://sites.google.com/site/sabushwarsite/interesting

I have been waiting for you,
waiting for the moment you bring forth your source written by SANDF military consultants.

And now I, Leslie, will slaughter you with a source which is the SOURCE of all your(all SouthAfricans on this thread) sources.

This source shows how Southafrica officially, with help from the assist. secretary of state of the Donald Reagan administration by name of Chester Crocker, attempted to rewrite south African war history for the sake of the neo-colonialists.

I present you now with this source for my pleasure and your horror.
Please pay attention to the first paragraph with a subtitle.

it's still weekend and you should be paying for my beer; I just gave you an education your history teachers had no clue of.

.........oh! almost forgot the link http://www.pambazuka.net/en/category.php/features/48547

lezz:
I have been waiting for you,
waiting for the moment you bring forth your source written by SANDF military consultants.

And now I, Leslie, will slaughter you with a source which is the SOURCE of all your(all SouthAfricans on this thread) sources.

This source shows how Southafrica officially with help from the assist. secretary of state of the Donald Reagan administration by name of Chester Crocker attempted to rewrite south African war history for the sake of the neo-colonialists.

I present you now with this source for my pleasure and your horror.
Please pay attention to the first paragraph with a subtitle.

it's still weekend and you should be paying for my beer; I just gave you an education your history teachers had no clue of.

.........oh! almost forgot the link http://www.pambazuka.net/en/category.php/features/48547

DUDE!!!! the fact that you dont read your sources before posting them is really embarrassing, if you read your second source you wouldve seen that its exactly the same as your first source, thus you have yet to provide more than one source to support your claims.

Here are some more sources for you:
Steenkamp, Willem (1989). South Africa's border war, 1966-1989. Gibraltar: Ashanti Pub. ISBN 0620139676.
Scholtz, Leopold (2013). The SADF in the Border War 1966-1989. Cape Town: Tafelberg. ISBN 978-0-624-05410-8.

lezz:
I tell you,I am beginning to like these stubborn southies here.Their strong headedness reminds me of time I used to sweet-talk those stubborn chicks in school until they started draining my phone batteries with date requests.And then I had to improvise to deal with the pressure........I had to start cancelling dates-lol
Come to think of it,the Angola vs South Africa war was the biggest conventional war in Africa yet.AND South Africa LOST,BIG TIME!!!
The boko haram terrorist insurgent war is the biggest and deadliest in Africa still.
And the Nigerian Military came out tops in an unprecedented military campaign in African history.
This just add to our rich military records in Africa,Europe and on home soil.
The comparison between the SANF and the NA is nothing but a literary exercise for boredom's sake.

lol.i can only imagine the drama that will happen{or that happened} on your wedding day,you and your bride getting mobbed by a shrieking bunch of frantic ex-girlfriends..eh.

lezz:
I have been waiting for you,
waiting for the moment you bring forth your source written by SANDF military consultants.

And now I, Leslie, will slaughter you with a source which is the SOURCE of all your(all SouthAfricans on this thread) sources.

This source shows how Southafrica officially, with help from the assist. secretary of state of the Donald Reagan administration by name of Chester Crocker, attempted to rewrite south African war history for the sake of the neo-colonialists.

I present you now with this source for my pleasure and your horror.
Please pay attention to the first paragraph with a subtitle.

it's still weekend and you should be paying for my beer; I just gave you an education your history teachers had no clue of.

.........oh! almost forgot the link http://www.pambazuka.net/en/category.php/features/48547

hahahaha

what a load of sh1t

Where are the "heavy" casualties they claim?

During the entire 23 year bush war South Africa suffered only 1791 casualties.

Thats around 80 men per year

How did we attack Quito with a river between us and the town? As augbuggub says we are a "dry land only army". Lets take it one step further - if our plan was to capture the town, why did we attack in such a way that puts the river between us and the town? There were multiple axis's of advance that would not have a river obstacle!

Also, if we planned on capturing the town, why did we wait until the Cubans had masses a freaking armored brigade there? Why didnt we attack earlyer or just wait until the Cubans sent their Brigade east against UNITA and then attack?

Why did Castro have the Cuban General commanding the operation executed?

Why were the Cubans unable to launch one single offensive against us? 60 000 men and not once did they try to directly attack us!

More blithering nonsense from some deluded clown.

andrewza:
At night small boats look like small boats. You struggle to identify a specific boat. Sure they can find a boat but you struggle to say what it is.

how can a frigate or submarine "struggle" to identify a fishing boat from a target drone?,what are all its radars and surveillance installations meant for?,cooking soup for sailors?
There is absolutely no excuse for the SAN's gross incompetence.if you cant even shoot straight at a fishing boat{thank God for that},how then will you defend your vast coastal region from the staggering explosion of pirate activities in the south african region?

Patchesagain:


hahahaha

what a load of sh1t

Where are the "heavy" casualties they claim?

During the entire 23 year bush war South Africa suffered only 1791 casualties.

Thats around 80 men per year

How did we attack Quito with a river between us and the town? As augbuggub says we are a "dry land only army". Lets take it one step further - if our plan was to capture the town, why did we attack in such a way that puts the river between us and the town? There were multiple axis's of advance that would not have a river obstacle!

Also, if we planned on capturing the town, why did we wait until the Cubans had masses a freaking armored brigade there? Why didnt we attack earlyer or just wait until the Cubans sent their Brigade east against UNITA and then attack?

Why did Castro have the Cuban General commanding the operation executed?

Why were the Cubans unable to launch one single offensive against us? 60 000 men and not once did they try to directly attack us!

More blithering nonsense from some deluded clown.

Ah, relax patchesagain, my blush-radar is sensing your heat and blushes across this platform.

First off, the sandf had its nearest base in Namibia which it has been occupying illegally for some time. The fact that your president flew there to give a last minute moral booster for a demoralised troop is something to keep your hands full.

Your rage occasioned by the revelation of truth has knocked you onto a path of blinded banter.

You didn't deny the fact that southafrica officially attempted to rewrite her war history, no?

SANDF dabacle in Angola guaranteed the independence of Namibia, no?

That you lost that more with over 9,000 troops more than 500 tanks, aircrafts and more, no?

I didn't expect you to own up, son. There wouldn't have been this thread if you can.

jln115:

DUDE!!!! the fact that you dont read your sources before posting them is really embarrassing, if you read your second source you wouldve seen that its exactly the same as your first source, thus you have yet to provide more than one source to support your claims.

Here are some more sources for you:
Steenkamp, Willem (1989). South Africa's border war, 1966-1989. Gibraltar: Ashanti Pub. ISBN 0620139676.
Scholtz, Leopold (2013). The SADF in the Border War 1966-1989. Cape Town: Tafelberg. ISBN 978-0-624-05410-8.

where art thy honour, oh children of south Africa?

From whence wilst thy grace come?
Thither and hither have I searched and found no grace or honour amongst you. Lol.

Both sources are clearly diffrent in origin and in details. The only thing they have in common is your staggering defeat and humiliation.

And for what it is worth, our chit chat here is irrelevant in the archive of history which has forever condemned you to the section of military losers.

Zuma visiting the site in 2008 is a clearer message than your denial of shame. Hehehehe.

lezz:
Ah, relax patchesagain, my blush-radar is sensing your heat and blushes across this platform.

First off, the sandf had its nearest base in Namibia which it has been occupying illegally for some time. The fact that your president flew there to give a last minute moral booster for a demoralised troop is something to keep your hands full.

Your rage occasioned by the revelation of truth has knocked you onto a path of blinded banter.

You didn't deny the fact that southafrica officially attempted to rewrite her war history, no?

SANDF dabacle in Angola guaranteed the independence of Namibia, no?

That you lost that more with over 9,000 troops more than 500 tanks, aircrafts and more, no?

I didn't expect you to own up, son. There wouldn't have been this thread if you can.

The president did not fly in to do any such thing

South Africa is not re-writing history - it is certain elements within the black community who are desperatly trying to cover up the fact that their liberation movements posed no military threat and were nothing more than targets to be shot for the SADF. Confirmed by the fact that the ANC leaves the history about SADF involvement in Angola untouched - they have enough dignity to provide respect where respect is due.

South Africa offered Namibian independance in the mid-1970's - provided the Cubans meet our terms and withdraw from Angola (which they ended up doing anyway)

9000 men and 500 tanks? Are you high? We only lost 1791 men in the entire 23 year war.

Lezz, you are so utterly ridiculous, inferior even to augugbaby.

lezz:
where art thy honour, oh children of south Africa?

From whence wilst thy grace come?
Thither and hither have I searched and found no grace or honour amongst you. Lol.

Both sources are clearly diffrent in origin and in details. The only thing they have in common is your staggering defeat and humiliation.

And for what it is worth, our chit chat here is irrelevant in the archive of history which has forever condemned you to the section of military losers.

Zuma visiting the site in 2008 is a clearer message than your denial of shame. Hehehehe.

Zuma's visit is nothing but statesmanship.

History of the border war remains untouched - and considering the way it is taught in South Africa, under ANC governemnt, I would say that our version is pretty accurate.

lezz:
where art thy honour, oh children of south Africa?

From whence wilst thy grace come?
Thither and hither have I searched and found no grace or honour amongst you. Lol.

Both sources are clearly diffrent in origin and in details. The only thing they have in common is your staggering defeat and humiliation.

And for what it is worth, our chit chat here is irrelevant in the archive of history which has forever condemned you to the section of military losers.

Zuma visiting the site in 2008 is a clearer message than your denial of shame. Hehehehe.

"Both sources are clearly diffrent in origin and in details."
Uhm....NO!!!! they are exactly the same!

http://monthlyreview.org/2013/04/01/the-military-defeat-of-the-south-africans-in-angola/

"Between October 1987 and June 1988, in the fiercest conventional battles on African soil since Erwin Rommel was defeated at El Amien, the South African Defence Forces (SADF) fought pitched tank and artillery battles with the Angolan army (FAPLA, the People’s Armed Forces for the Liberation of Angola) and its Cuban supporters at Cuito Cuanavale. This small base located in southeastern Angola became important in the military history of Africa, for there the South African army, supposedly the best on the continent, was trapped with its tanks and artillery and held down more than 300 miles from its bases in Namibia.

Failing to take Cuito Cuanavale with over 9,000 soldiers, even after announcing that it had done so, losing air superiority, and faced with mutinies among black troops and a high casualty rate among whites, the South Africans reached such a desperate situation that President Botha had to fly to the war zone when the operational command of the SADF broke down."


"With Cuban reinforcements, the Angolans withstood major assaults on January 23, February 25, and March 23. The South Africans were repulsed with heavy losses, and the Angolan/Cuban forces seized the initiative. For the first time since 1981, the Angolan army was able to reoccupy the area adjacent to Namibia. So confident were the Angolans and Cubans, that in the space of less than three months they built two air strips to consolidate their recapture of the southern province of Cunene. Trapped by the rainy season, bogged down by the terrain, and encircled, the South Africans made one desperate attempt to break out on June 27 and were again defeated. One South African newspaper called the defeat “a crushing humiliation.”"


"The First Defeat of South Africa, 1975–1976

The anticolonial struggle in Angola, which led to the 1974 coup in Portugal, was a turning point for Southern Africa. South Africa intervened with CIA support by land, sea, and air to stop the MPLA from coming to power. The Angolans asked for Cuban help to defeat the invasion led by South Africans, Zairian regulars, and CIA mercenaries. "

http://www.pambazuka.net/en/category.php/features/48547

"Between October 1987 and June 1988, in one of the fiercest conventional battles fought on African soil, the troops of the South African Defence Forces (SADF) fought pitched tank and artillery battles with the Angolan army (FAPLA) and her Cuban supporters at Cuito Cuanavale. This small base located in Southeastern Angola (in the province of Cuando Cubango) became important in the military history of Africa, for the South African apartheid army, supposedly one of the better equipped armies in Africa was trapped more than three hundred miles from its bases in Namibia, a territory which it was illegally occupying.

Failing to take Cuito Cuanavale with over 9,000 soldiers even after announcing to the world that Cuito Cuanavale had fallen; losing its superiority in the air; and faced with mutinies from the black troops of the pressed ganged battalions, the operational command of the SADF broke down."

"With Cuban reinforcements, the Angolan fighters withstood major assaults by the South African military on January 23, 1988, February 25 and finally on March 23. The South Africans were repulsed with heavy losses as the Angolan/Cuban forces seized the military initiative. The Angolan army, for the first time since Operation Protea (the code name for the conventional attack by the SADF) in 1981, was able to reoccupy the area of Southern Angola adjacent to the Namibian border. In the space of less than three months the engineering units and construction workers of the Angolan/Cuban forces were able to build two airstrips defended with anti aircraft weapons to consolidate their recapture of the Southern province of Cunene. Bogged down with their conventional weapons by the terrain and rainy season, the South African army made one desperate attempt to break the encirclement on June 27, 1988. They were once again trounced, with the Angolan pilots in firm in control of Angolan airspace."

"THE FIRST DEFEAT OF THE APARTHEID ARMY

Once Portuguese fascism collapsed in April 1974 the forces of US imperialism and the army of apartheid had to come out in full force if they were to perpetuate external control over Angola. The apartheid South African army intervened militarily in 1975 to stop the MPLA from coming to power after the poor of Sambizanga routed the FLNA forces allied with the army of Mobutu. At this point, the Angolans invited the Cubans to help defeat the invading apartheid, the Zairian army regulars, and the mercenaries employed by the CIA."




Your proving yourself a bigger id1ot i ever could of imagined!!

EVarn:
how can a frigate or submarine "struggle" to identify a fishing boat from a target drone?,what are all its radars and surveillance installations meant for?,cooking soup for sailors?
There is absolutely no excuse for the SAN's gross incompetence.if you cant even shoot straight at a fishing boat{thank God for that},how then will you defend your vast coastal region from the staggering explosion of pirate activities in the south african region?

Again at night small boat looks like small boat. So before speaking join the navy or even become a fisherman.

lezz:
Ah, relax patchesagain, my blush-radar is sensing your heat and blushes across this platform.

First off, the sandf had its nearest base in Namibia which it has been occupying illegally for some time. The fact that your president flew there to give a last minute moral booster for a demoralised troop is something to keep your hands full.

Your rage occasioned by the revelation of truth has knocked you onto a path of blinded banter.

You didn't deny the fact that southafrica officially attempted to rewrite her war history, no?

SANDF dabacle in Angola guaranteed the independence of Namibia, no?

That you lost that more with over 9,000 troops more than 500 tanks, aircrafts and more, no?

I didn't expect you to own up, son. There wouldn't have been this thread if you can.

500 tanks and aircraft. We don't have that many tanks and aircraft.

andrewza:



500 tanks and aircraft. We don't have that many tanks and aircraft.

NO NO!!!! we lost all 250 olifant tank, + more 250 olifant tank, thus simple math, SANDF has now 250-500 = -250 tank, Nigeria are having 1000 T72 tank , Nigeria will wipe SANDF of face of earth with 1000 T72 tank vs -250 olifant tank.

All photo provided by us of olifant are photoshop, SANDF has only -250 olifant tank, thus common sens tells us SANDF must build 250 olifants ,then only will South Africa have 0 tanks, because -250+250 = 0 !!!

Thus South Africa must build 251 tank to have only 1 tank!!!!!!!!!!!!

jln115:

"Both sources are clearly diffrent in origin and in details."
Uhm....NO!!!! they are exactly the same!

http://monthlyreview.org/2013/04/01/the-military-defeat-of-the-south-africans-in-angola/

"Between October 1987 and June 1988, in the fiercest conventional battles on African soil since Erwin Rommel was defeated at El Amien, the South African Defence Forces (SADF) fought pitched tank and artillery battles with the Angolan army (FAPLA, the People’s Armed Forces for the Liberation of Angola) and its Cuban supporters at Cuito Cuanavale. This small base located in southeastern Angola became important in the military history of Africa, for there the South African army, supposedly the best on the continent, was trapped with its tanks and artillery and held down more than 300 miles from its bases in Namibia.

Failing to take Cuito Cuanavale with over 9,000 soldiers, even after announcing that it had done so, losing air superiority, and faced with mutinies among black troops and a high casualty rate among whites, the South Africans reached such a desperate situation that President Botha had to fly to the war zone when the operational command of the SADF broke down."


"With Cuban reinforcements, the Angolans withstood major assaults on January 23, February 25, and March 23. The South Africans were repulsed with heavy losses, and the Angolan/Cuban forces seized the initiative. For the first time since 1981, the Angolan army was able to reoccupy the area adjacent to Namibia. So confident were the Angolans and Cubans, that in the space of less than three months they built two air strips to consolidate their recapture of the southern province of Cunene. Trapped by the rainy season, bogged down by the terrain, and encircled, the South Africans made one desperate attempt to break out on June 27 and were again defeated. One South African newspaper called the defeat “a crushing humiliation.”"


"The First Defeat of South Africa, 1975–1976

The anticolonial struggle in Angola, which led to the 1974 coup in Portugal, was a turning point for Southern Africa. South Africa intervened with CIA support by land, sea, and air to stop the MPLA from coming to power. The Angolans asked for Cuban help to defeat the invasion led by South Africans, Zairian regulars, and CIA mercenaries. "

http://www.pambazuka.net/en/category.php/features/48547

"Between October 1987 and June 1988, in one of the fiercest conventional battles fought on African soil, the troops of the South African Defence Forces (SADF) fought pitched tank and artillery battles with the Angolan army (FAPLA) and her Cuban supporters at Cuito Cuanavale. This small base located in Southeastern Angola (in the province of Cuando Cubango) became important in the military history of Africa, for the South African apartheid army, supposedly one of the better equipped armies in Africa was trapped more than three hundred miles from its bases in Namibia, a territory which it was illegally occupying.

Failing to take Cuito Cuanavale with over 9,000 soldiers even after announcing to the world that Cuito Cuanavale had fallen; losing its superiority in the air; and faced with mutinies from the black troops of the pressed ganged battalions, the operational command of the SADF broke down."

"With Cuban reinforcements, the Angolan fighters withstood major assaults by the South African military on January 23, 1988, February 25 and finally on March 23. The South Africans were repulsed with heavy losses as the Angolan/Cuban forces seized the military initiative. The Angolan army, for the first time since Operation Protea (the code name for the conventional attack by the SADF) in 1981, was able to reoccupy the area of Southern Angola adjacent to the Namibian border. In the space of less than three months the engineering units and construction workers of the Angolan/Cuban forces were able to build two airstrips defended with anti aircraft weapons to consolidate their recapture of the Southern province of Cunene. Bogged down with their conventional weapons by the terrain and rainy season, the South African army made one desperate attempt to break the encirclement on June 27, 1988. They were once again trounced, with the Angolan pilots in firm in control of Angolan airspace."

"THE FIRST DEFEAT OF THE APARTHEID ARMY

Once Portuguese fascism collapsed in April 1974 the forces of US imperialism and the army of apartheid had to come out in full force if they were to perpetuate external control over Angola. The apartheid South African army intervened militarily in 1975 to stop the MPLA from coming to power after the poor of Sambizanga routed the FLNA forces allied with the army of Mobutu. At this point, the Angolans invited the Cubans to help defeat the invading apartheid, the Zairian army regulars, and the mercenaries employed by the CIA."




Your proving yourself a bigger id1ot i ever could of imagined!!

I soon am going to create a thread entitled "what is wrong with south Africans"

That a portion of both sources have similar details makes them the same?

Did the first source mentioned about president Zuma's visit with a high level parliament delegation?

Did the first source mention the lack of knowledge of south africa's youth about the war, which is one of the reasons you have been showcasing your idiocy and lack of formal education here?


Did the first source point to the fact that Chester Crocker attempted, together with military writers in Pretoria to deceive the press by claiming the sandf pulled out due to peace talk when in fact the angolans broke their communication link and command and had them under siege?

If the sandf pulled out for peace talk, then can you kindly tell us what they got in return ?

Because Angola bleeped your military and ordered the independence of Namibia!!!

What did south Africa get?

You are just a Soweto baboon who is undergoing the faintest semblance of formal education right here on the internet.

andrewza:



500 tanks and aircraft. We don't have that many tanks and aircraft.

thanks for the "correction"

Patchesagain:


Zuma's visit is nothing but statesmanship.

History of the border war remains untouched - and considering the way it is taught in South Africa, under ANC governemnt, I would say that our version is pretty accurate.

the word humiliating +defeat was coined by your own press men after the Angolan slaughter.

Who accepts a death sentence when he could break free?

That war till date remains the biggest conventional war fought in Africa and it forever changed the course of all the the countries of southern Africa because Angola triumphed over SA.

You can't deny this war, that you lost glaringly!!! The evidence of your loss of that war is in the way your own country , South Africa is structured today.

Let's have some effortless dispaly of grace please.

andrewza:
Again at night small boat looks like small boat. So before speaking join the navy or even become a fisherman.

lol.naija's navy is one of the best in the world,and one of the most advanced on the continent,if i were to join the navy,it would be a great honour,especially being part of the SBS;which takes great amount of skill and training.Unlike the incompetent SAN that cannot shoot at a stationary target,much less a speeding gunboat.
Accept it my man,your navy is a ragtag police force.i win!

lezz:
I soon am going to create a thread entitled "what is wrong with south Africans"

That a portion of both sources have similar details makes them the same?

Did the first source mentioned about president Zuma's visit with a high level parliament delegation?

Did the first source mention the lack of knowledge of south africa's youth about the war, which is one of the reasons you have been showcasing your idiocy and lack of formal education here?


Did the first source point to the fact that Chester Crocker attempted, together with military writers in Pretoria to deceive the press by claiming the sandf pulled out due to piece talk when in fact the angolans broke their communication link and command and had them under siege?

If the sandf pulled out for piece talk, then can you kindly tell us what they got in return ?

Because Angola bleeped your military and ordered the independence of Namibia!!!

What did south Africa get?

You are just a Soweto baboon who is undergoing the faintest semblance of formal education right here on the internet.

"That a portion of both sources have similar details makes them the same?"

Dude both sources are exactly the same!!! Even the wording and sentences are exactly the same!!

"then can you kindly tell us what they got in return"

Our objective was to stop communism in Southern Africa!
Is Angola a communist state?
Is Namibia a communist state?
Is South Africa communist state?

If your answer is NO to all three questions then you have your answer if the SANDF/SADF succeeded or not!

BTW we were a stone through away from Luanda, if it wasnt for the US Angola wouldve been a South African colony!

EVarn:
lol.naija's navy is one of the best in the world,and one of the most advanced on the continent,if i were to join the navy,it would be a great honour,especially being part of the SBS;which takes great amount of skill and training.Unlike the incompetent SAN that cannot shoot at a stationary target,much less a speeding gunboat.
Accept it my man,your navy is a ragtag police force.i win!

Citastion needed.

Patchesagain:


The president did not fly in to do any such thing

South Africa is not re-writing history - it is certain elements within the black community who are desperatly trying to cover up the fact that their liberation movements posed no military threat and were nothing more than targets to be shot for the SADF. Confirmed by the fact that the ANC leaves the history about SADF involvement in Angola untouched - they have enough dignity to provide respect where respect is due.

South Africa offered Namibian independance in the mid-1970's - provided the Cubans meet our terms and withdraw from Angola (which they ended up doing anyway)

9000 men and 500 tanks? Are you high? We only lost 1791 men in the entire 23 year war.

Lezz, you are so utterly ridiculous, inferior even to augugbaby.

your denial is as simplistic as your brain cells.


Are you telling us Botha didn't fly to Angola after they broke your communication lines?


Are you telling us that the source which indicted President Donald Reagan's government should be jettisoned? A source that when as far as implicating a high level government official in the name of Chester Crocker should be ignored and your theory of ANC scheme should be taken?

You're a joke!
An obsessive internet clown alien to grace and incapaple of honesty.


going by your moniker, your personality could make do with some real patching up.


Oh, and talking about agaugust, since I've been monitoring this thread, he has turned you into a Lazarus. You only rise from the dead anytime you recharge your internet fee.


Porridge brain.

Nigerian troops have seized the town of alagarno in southern borno from the deadly boko haram terrorist sect.Alagarno is widely known as a village that was transformed into a formidable and dangerous fortress by boko haram fighters: the town boasted a sizable slice of boko haram's huge armoury,including attillery guns,tanks,armoured fighting vehicles,heavily weaponized hilux vans etc...but was overpowered by the nigerian army's highly superior firepower after being significantly softened up by ceaseless airstrikes.Boko haram's grand sheik,Abu-Bakr Shekau who was formally located in the town is now confirmed to be on the run from the nigerian military merciless onslaught.
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http://www.naij.com/415392-boko-haram-stronghold-taken-over-nigerian-troops.html
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This is how a war is fought!
not by losing to cuban lollipop boys or firing at civilian fishing boats.

agaugust:


Difference between your Surface to surface missile and our own is only 1 km, Ingwe is not better than Swingfire, smoke kills Ingwe laser guidance system and makes it useless .

In real combat, 4 km range is even too far, you cannot I.D. targets easily with human eye. Ingwe 5 km is a waste.

Swingfire 4 km range is more than enough.
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Nigeria lacks the communications capability to guide a missile out of line of sight.

agaugust:


All aircraft launched projectiles require maintenance, rockets will fail if not well maintained, a missile is just a guided rocket. Simple.

A army that can't store and transport 155mm shells, you wanna tell us that army can maintain missiles for 30 years?