agaugust:


The two warships with longest trip ranges in Africa are Nigerian navy's NNS Thunder and NNS Okpabana.

South Africa's blue water navy cannot compare to Nigeria's blue water range at sea....and we shoot straight
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They can't go on long trips.

You must beg for food and supplies a long the wa.

Second hand useless cutters!

andrewza:


Citastion needed.

hehehehe....i have smoked you out like dried crayfish,now you are subtly pleading for mercy!.dont worry,i will stay my hand from striking the killing blow,afterall,i'm a nice guy,aint i?.hehehehe....
citation indeed,i simply stated a fact,no citation needed.again,i win!

EVarn:
Who made it a restricted zone?,the area is a public zone,the fishermen were probably frequent visitors of that area,they probably visited that area everyday to scout for fish.you cant just wake up one morning,label the area a 'restricted zone' and expect them to go hungry simply because you want to impress a bunch of german sailors with your amateur naval skills!
The SAN should have stationed patrol boats at the outer perimeter to prevent unwanted intrusion,that is how proffesional navies operate.

The navy posted a coastal warning.

All vessels were required to keep out of the area.

No navy does that rubbish.

Nigerian troops have seized the town of alagarno in southern borno from the deadly boko haram islamic terrorist sect.Alagarno is widely known as a village that was transformed into a formidable and dangerous fortress by boko haram fighters: the town boasted a sizable slice of boko haram's huge armoury,including attillery guns,tanks,armoured fighting vehicles,heavily weaponized hilux vans etc...but was overpowered by the nigerian army's highly superior firepower after being significantly softened up by ceaseless airstrikes.Boko haram's grand sheik,Abu-Bakr Shekau who was formally located in the town is now confirmed to be on the run from the nigerian military merciless onslaught.
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http://www.naij.com/415392-boko-haram-stronghold-taken-over-nigerian-troops.html
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This is how a war is fought!
not by losing to cuban lollipop boys or firing at civilian fishing boats.

EVarn:
hehehehe....i have smoked you out like dried crayfish,now you are subtly pleading for mercy!.dont worry,i will stay my hand from striking the killing blow,afterall,i'm a nice guy,aint i?.hehehehe....
citation indeed,i simply stated a fact,no citation needed.again,i win!

You have made non stops unastupuated claims and I am the one being smocked out?

stillchris:


and you are too slow to list them?

you have a problem. that's for sure

A problem of spotting rebel behaviour and soldiers undermining basic military discipline.

jln115:

"That a portion of both sources have similar details makes them the same?"

Dude both sources are exactly the same!!! Even the wording and sentences are exactly the same!!

"then can you kindly tell us what they got in return"

Our objective was to stop communism in Southern Africa!
Is Angola a communist state?
Is Namibia a communist state?
Is South Africa communist state?

If your answer is NO to all three questions then you have your answer if the SANDF/SADF succeeded or not!

BTW we were a stone through away from Luanda, if it wasnt for the US Angola wouldve been a South African colony!

you really have wasted your schooling years!!!

South Africa's intervention in Angola, Namibia and co was to suppress anti apartheid voices.

South africa went to war to encourage apartheid rule when anti apartheid movement was getting stronger and stronger. That was the beginning of the militarization of south African streets.


Just to show you as a stupid, tactless lier not worth my effort of response, you claimed both my sources are EXACTLY the same yet the first source says botha went to Angola when your communication lines broke to give your troops moral booster.


Second source says Botha went after communication lines broke and your military high command was debating whether to use tactical nuclear with defeat starring them in the face , and botha had to decide against nuclear because south Africa was near a pariah state.

Clearly both sources are completely different.

You are a confirmed wizard!!!!!

Should you have me translate the source to Zulu for you?

MikeCZAR:
The navy posted a coastal warning.
All vessels were required to keep out of the area.
No navy does that rubbish.

lol.not all fishing boats have functional radionic system to receive such flippant alerts and signals....dont you think that if the fishermen had recieved such warning,they would have stirred clear of the area?.
Yes,many standard navies when performing risky naval exercises and maneovers,always post a few patrol boats to seal off the area from wandering civilians,sometimes even red flares and fireworks are usually used,are you dead yet?...hehehehe....what is the iron oath again?..aha....that what is dead may never die.

Patchesagain:


2 fixed, 2 deployable
http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/-and-logistics-wizards-the-saafs-mobile-deployment-wing-2012-04-13

Deployable is NOT = Self Mobile.

All ground radars in this world are deployable by carrying them from city to city by heavy duty truck or aircraft transport.

Nigeria too has many 500 km range radars fixed anjd deployable like your own.

Show me photo of SANDF 500 km radar self mobile on it's own factory install vehicle like a RASIT radar
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andrewza:

You have made non stops unastupuated claims and I am the one being smocked out?

where did i make "unastupuated" claims?,you were unveiling your usual lunchbox of carefully scripted lies,while i was using fact and sensible lyrics to denounce your falsehood,it wont kill you to admit that i won,will it?

agaugust:


Show proof, you have ONLY ONE Ratel until proved.

Nigeria has :

2 units RASIT.....40 km range

30 units Shilka.... 20 km range

16 units Roland.... 18 km range

Dozens of Toyota TV surveillance

We have over 70 vehicles for surveillance. You can NEVER match that number ! We rule battle space !
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The Umlindi 3D radar has range of 500km+.

The Thutlwa 2D radar has range of 120km+.

You can't even defend a single state with your 40km radar.

agaugust:


14 toy radars that have no armour or self mobility....and no defensive weapon.

You try go near a Shilka or RASIT and see fire
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Man portable.

The scouts can deploy them for surveillance anywhere.

That Rasit radar is useless now.

Patchesagain:


Those 50 are not ground search.

What are the combined radiu's of each system? Break it down for us, show us how you came to your conclusion.

That 70364 sq km is just the Air-Ground search of our 14 Thales Squire Systems.

Do you want me to work out the combined total of our air-search systems?

Also, without a data-link and without systems fusion you cannot accuratly moniter across all systems - you cannot see the entire airspace at once.

With our data-link every single system is intergrated - a commander can see the whole airspace on one screen.

Hey dude, SANDF does NOT have data-link integrated on 100% of equipment. Gripen jet, etc ....yes....all radars and equipment...NO !

Prove it !

We don't need to climb hills to use radar, we have vehicle mounted radars that detect ground targets.

Shilka picks flat ground targets from 7 km to 20 km, and all elevated target on hills and buildings from 1km to 20 km.

Yes, a shilka will detect land enemy, it is uses as a ground combat weapon my many countries today, shilkas fire on ground target.

We will use shilka radar to detect your 14 toy radars hiding in bushes and hills and we will turn 4 barrel 23 mm cannon fire on them with devastating consequences, ALL your SANDF radars will be destroyed because they have ZERO armour and ZERO guns to defend themselves.

GAME OVER !
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agaugust:


SANDF 500 km range radar is NOT mobile, I proved that months ago from defence web, it's a fixed ground radar in your city
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The Umlindi 3D radar.

Mobile radar.

Can be deployed by trucks and air planes.

EVarn:
how can a frigate or submarine "struggle" to identify a fishing boat from a target drone?,what are all its radars and surveillance installations meant for?,cooking soup for sailors?
There is absolutely no excuse for the SAN's gross incompetence.if you cant even shoot straight at a fishing boat{thank God for that},how then will you defend your vast coastal region from the staggering explosion of pirate activities in the south african region?

You should engaged in things you're knowledgeable in.

lezz:
you really have wasted your schooling years!!!

South Africa's intervention in Angola, Namibia and co was to suppress anti apartheid voices.

South africa went to war to encourage apartheid rule when anti apartheid movement was getting stronger and stronger. That was the beginning of the militarization of south African streets.


Just to show you as a stupid, tactless lier not worth my effort of response, you claimed both my sources are EXACTLY the same yet the first source says botha went to Angola when your communication lines broke to give your troops moral booster.


Second source says Botha went after communication lines broke and your military high command was debating whether to use tactical nuclear with defeat starring them in the face , and botha had to decide against nuclear because south Africa was near a pariah state.

Clearly both sources are completely different.

You are a confirmed wizard!!!!!

Should you have me translate the source to Zulu for you?

20 months

"Clearly both sources are completely different."

Word for Word, sentence for sentence, paragraph for paragraph, they are exactly the same!!!!!!

"South africa went to war to encourage apartheid rule"
WHY??there were no whites in Angola, why the hell would we encourage apartheid in Angola??

South Africa went to war for the same reason all the other countries went to war during the Cold War, TO STOP COMMUNISM!!!
And we succeeded!

"Should you have me translate the source to Zulu for you?"

Naa.... Dont understand Zulu fully yet, still learning!
You could translate it to Afrikaans if you really want to.

andrewza:


You do know we build radars. We built the Ratel observer so please we have as any as we need.

Like you have ZERO Mokopa in service ?

You do not have unlimited supply of equipment, Ratel engine is imported from Europe, you DO NOT build it.

Europe stopped DENEL from building any Rooivalk helicopter for a new customer by refusing to export vital components to DENEL, and the contract of sale was lost by South Africa. That led to the final closure of Rooivalk helicopter production factory FOREVER !

You build a few, you have limited capacity, you cannot build ALL YOU NEED....Europe controls South African weapons production with their supply of engines, ammunition, and electronics.

You have ONLY ONE RATEL WITH SEARCH TV CAMERA.....finish !
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MikeCZAR:
You should engaged in things you're knowledgeable in.

hehehehe..why are you sweating and blattering like a chrismas goat?,answer the question i posted,if you cant,then move on instead of typing out of desperation..heheh

agaugust:


Like you have ZERO Mokopa in service ?

You do not have unlimited supply of equipment, Ratel engine is imported from Europe, you DO NOT build it.

Europe stopped DENEL from building any Rooivalk helicopter for a new customer by refusing to export vital components to DENEL, and the contract of sale was lost by South Africa. That led to the final closure of Rooivalk helicopter production factory FOREVER !

You build a few, you have limited capacity, you cannot build ALL YOU NEED....Europe controls South African weapons production with their supply of engines, ammunition, and electronics.

You have ONLY ONE RATEL WITH SEARCH TV CAMERA.....finish !
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"You have ONLY ONE RATEL WITH SEARCH TV CAMERA.....finish !"

Nigeria only has 3 land cruisers Finished !!

Patchesagain:
[size=14pt]I love how Augugbugugug has conceded that Nigeria is 66 years behind South Africa in Ground search radar!!

See how quickly he changed the topic!![/size]

[size=16pt] How ?

We have RASIT ground surveillance radar and is modern

We have telescopic TV battlefield cameras, 2015 purchase and modern

We have Shilka that detect ground target.

Show me an SANDF equipment with radars to match our 46 units of Roland and Shikas.

Show me dozens of SANDF ground surveillance telescopic mast cameras to match our own ultra-modern 2015 versions.

Don't turn arguments into a joke and comedy when you lose, be bold and accept defeat like a man
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EVarn:
lol.not all fishing boats have functional radionic system to receive such flippant alerts and signals....dont you think that if the fishermen had recieved such warning,they would have stirred clear of the area?.
Yes,many standard navies when performing risky naval exercises and maneovers,always post a few patrol boats to seal off the area from wandering civilians,sometimes even red flares and fireworks are usually used,are you dead yet?...hehehehe....what is the iron oath again?..aha....that what is dead may never die.

You don't understand what I'm telling you.

That is nothing he must have known when leaving port.

Again it seems you don't understand how radar works.

agaugust:


Like you have ZERO Mokopa in service ?

You do not have unlimited supply of equipment, Ratel engine is imported from Europe, you DO NOT build it.

Europe stopped DENEL from building any Rooivalk helicopter for a new customer by refusing to export vital components to DENEL, and the contract of sale was lost by South Africa. That led to the final closure of Rooivalk helicopter production factory FOREVER !

You build a few, you have limited capacity, you cannot build ALL YOU NEED....Europe controls South African weapons production with their supply of engines, ammunition, and electronics.

You have ONLY ONE RATEL WITH SEARCH TV CAMERA.....finish !
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The Ratel engines were built in South Africa.

Limited capacity of building more than 1000+ Ratels?

Limited capacity but systems are always delivered on time?

andrewza:


14 radars that can be flown where needed in a helicopter or driven there In a APC. Once in locastion it can be concealed and operate with out fear. That's why they manportable.

You will conceal them without fear in Sahara desert or bare mountain tops ?

Hide radar ? When you turn it on, a Shilka radar will detect the emission interference of enemy radar from your 14 toys and Nigeria will open fire on your radar men with Shilka 4 barrel 23 mm cannon and k.ill everything called South African inside the bush
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Rand Show 2015:
Pics supplied by Defenweb:

agaugust:


Hey dude, SANDF does NOT have data-link integrated on 100% of equipment. Gripen jet, etc ....yes....all radars and equipment...NO !

Prove it !

We don't need to climb hills to use radar, we have vehicle mounted radars that detect ground targets.

Shilka picks flat ground targets from 7 km to 20 km, and all elevated target on hills and buildings from 1km to 20 km.

Yes, a shilka will detect land enemy, it is uses as a ground combat weapon my many countries today, shilkas fire on ground target.

We will use shilka radar to detect your 14 toy radars hiding in bushes and hills and we will turn 4 barrel 23 mm cannon fire on them with devastating consequences, ALL your SANDF radars will be destroyed because they have ZERO armour and ZERO guns to defend themselves.

GAME OVER !
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The data link is part of the SANDF communications standards.

andrewza:


14 radars that can be flown where needed in a helicopter or driven there In a APC. .

Nigeria can use helicopters to fly our telescopic battlefield TV Cameras around locations, or the Toyota just drives anywhere.
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agaugust:


Deployable is NOT = Self Mobile.

All ground radars in this world are deployable by carrying them from city to city by heavy duty truck or aircraft transport.

Nigeria too has many 500 km range radars fixed anjd deployable like your own.

Show me photo of SANDF 500 km radar self mobile on it's own factory install vehicle like a RASIT radar
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First you have to show me these mobile Nigerian radars that are deployable like ours.

lezz:


you south africans are diminishing the relevance of sources here. Do you really require source to sweeten your dish of denial? You ask for source on facts that has become a byword for the SANDF?

here are your sources, you really know so little about your own country's millitary engagements. Your only motive in this thread is your obvious love for Nigerians.

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http://monthlyreview.org/2013/04/01/the-military-defeat-of-the-south-africans-in-angola/[/size]

You want to spoil their Easter party this weekend in Soweto
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MikeCZAR:
You don't understand what I'm telling you.
That is nothing he must have known when leaving port.
Again it seems you don't understand how radar works.

oh i do..i understand what you are saying,and it doesnt make sense.
which port did the fishing boat leave from?,is it compulsory for a licensed private boat to embark on sail only through ports?
How are you certain that the fishing boat recieved your alert signal?

agaugust:


Hey dude, SANDF does NOT have data-link integrated on 100% of equipment. Gripen jet, etc ....yes....all radars and equipment...NO !

Prove it !

We don't need to climb hills to use radar, we have vehicle mounted radars that detect ground targets.

Shilka picks flat ground targets from 7 km to 20 km, and all elevated target on hills and buildings from 1km to 20 km.

Yes, a shilka will detect land enemy, it is uses as a ground combat weapon my many countries today, shilkas fire on ground target.

We will use shilka radar to detect your 14 toy radars hiding in bushes and hills and we will turn 4 barrel 23 mm cannon fire on them with devastating consequences, ALL your SANDF radars will be destroyed because they have ZERO armour and ZERO guns to defend themselves.

GAME OVER !
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First show us where it says the Shilka can detect ground targets

Then show us that it can be used for ground surveilance

Then we will talk

FYI:

- Intergration of Project Cytoon, Project Klooster and the Radar systems is well documented in the links i have posted
- The Thales systems are largely undetectable according to the sources I have posted

agaugust:


Like you have ZERO Mokopa in service ?

You do not have unlimited supply of equipment, Ratel engine is imported from Europe, you DO NOT build it.

Europe stopped DENEL from building any Rooivalk helicopter for a new customer by refusing to export vital components to DENEL, and the contract of sale was lost by South Africa. That led to the final closure of Rooivalk helicopter production factory FOREVER !

You build a few, you have limited capacity, you cannot build ALL YOU NEED....Europe controls South African weapons production with their supply of engines, ammunition, and electronics.

You have ONLY ONE RATEL WITH SEARCH TV CAMERA.....finish !
.

The sale of the Rooivalk to Turkey was stopped as Turkey does not enter into military contracts with france - Rooivalk has french components.

South Africa was completely self sufficient during the arms embargoes when we were building Ratels and Rooikats. We can do it again if we so choose.

agaugust:


[size=16pt] How ?

We have RASIT ground surveillance radar and is modern

We have telescopic TV battlefield cameras, 2015 purchase and modern

We have Shilka that detect ground target.

Show me an SANDF equipment with radars to match our 46 units of Roland and Shikas.

Show me dozens of SANDF ground surveillance telescopic mast cameras to match our own ultra-modern 2015 versions.

Don't turn arguments into a joke and comedy when you lose, be bold and accept defeat like a man
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[size=20pt]You have 2 Rasit systems bought in the 1980s- ancient technology

You cannot post any stats for your TV camera's strapped to your civilian vehicals - for all we know they are as powerfull as the camera on my iphone.

Where does it say the Shilka can detect ground targets?

We have dozens of vastly superior ground search radars as well as the Ratel observation systems - whos abilities are well documented

Nigeria is 66 years behind South Africa in ground based ISTAR and 25 years behind South Africa in ground search radar!! [/size]