jln115:

"show me how SANDF bought their own in the unknown future date year 2081 to put you 66 years ahead of Nigeria "

WHAT ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Augustine Going full re.tard again as usual .

He cant comprehend that the SANDF operates systems not individual assets (like Nigeria)

Thales Ground search radars and IR camera's

Ratel based fire adjustment systems

Short and long range air search radar

All integrated into LinkZA providing an all inclusive up to the second layout of the battle space right at the commanders finger-tips.

Its one system, one organism.

agaugust:


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" ZSU 23-4 Shilka, is capable of acquiring, tracking and engaging low-flying aircraft, as well as mobile ground targets while either in place or on the move. Employed in pairs 200 meters apart, 400 meters behind battalion leading elements, it is commonly used to surpress ATGM launch sites."

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/zsu-23-4.htm

Nigeria has 30 Shilkas, they do ground radar targeting AND attack to destroy with 4 barrel 23 mm cannon.

Nigerian Shilka = Radar + Firepower 4 barrel Cannon

Show me anything like that in the whole of SANDF arsenal, Nigerian army has 30 units of them !
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If you could read you would see that is says it track and engage them - no mention of how.

It says nothing about detecting ground targets with radar.

I ask again, show us where it says the Shilka can detect ground targets with its Radar

Patchesagain:


He cant comprehend that the SANDF operates systems not individual assets (like Nigeria)

Thales Ground search radars and IR camera's

Ratel based fire adjustment systems

Short and long range air search radar

All integrated into LinkZA providing an all inclusive up to the second layout of the battle space right at the commanders finger-tips.

Its one system, one organism.

Hoe mal is Augustine?

Hy is:

Patchesagain:


No we have seen video footage of them moving them around on the back of trucks like you would a harvest of cassava

You saw video of Nigerian missiles moved around ? Where ?

You saw ordinary explosive shells, and that was in war zone, removed from storage in Nigerian army Ordnance Corps armoury, we have a whole Ordnance corp trained to international standards to store weapons ordnance and ammo
.

agaugust:


You saw video of Nigerian missiles moved around ? Where ?

You saw ordinary explosive shells, and that was in war zone, removed from storage in Nigerian army Ordnance Corps armoury, we have a whole Ordnance corp trained to international standards to store weapons ordnance and ammo
.

No.

You moved the shells around on the back of a truck - piled high

With the propellant along side them.

Like a truck load of industrial produce

Patchesagain:


Since we have actually fought a modern conventional war, we can tell you that they are.

Really ? SADF and Cuba were shooting at each other from 100 km distance apart, T-55, Olifant, Ratels, artillery guns, all were 100 km away from each other ? Fool

Biafra war was Africa's biggest conventional war, Biafra was a country recognized by France and South Africa. It has a fully established nation with a central bank, currency, university, court of law, army, navy , air force, many officers trained in British military academy and were university graduates.

Nigeria fought Africa's biggest conventional war of half a million troops on both sides
.

Patchesagain:


Citation needed

Who says its a german product?

Okay, my guess is German, but it's your country's equipment, show us the Ratel engine's source of manufacture
.

Patchesagain:


Empty response

When they say its integrated - its integrated.

You obviously no longer have an argument

You have ZERO proof of 100% data-link integration on ALL SANDF equipment. It costs money....SANDF is broke.

Wishes and paper work is NOT reality
.

agaugust:


Really ? SADF and Cuba were shooting at each other from 100 km distance apart, T-55, Olifant, Ratels, artillery guns, all were 100 km away from each other ? Fool

Biafra war was Africa's biggest conventional war, Biafra was a country recognized by France and South Africa. It has a fully established nation with a central bank, currency, university, court of law, army, navy , air force, many officers trained in British military academy and were university graduates.

Nigeria fought Africa's biggest conventional war of half a million troops on both sides
.

Biafra war involved less than 200 000 men, Biafra and Nigeria did not operate modern equipment. The wars in Angola and Congo were both twice the size.

Clown

And yes, in high mobility war, jump off points for operations can be 100's of kilometers apart.

agaugust:


You have ZERO proof of 100% data-link integration on ALL SANDF equipment. It costs money....SANDF is broke.

Wishes and paper work is NOT reality
.

We have posted links over and over and over.

SANDF says they have it - then they have it.

The burden of proof is on you now.

You are clearly desperate now - trying to trivialize the argument

agaugust:


Okay, it's your country's equipment, show us the engine's source of manufacture
.

You said its German

Show us that the engines source of manufacture is germany

Patchesagain:


[size=16pt]As usual Augubugug is up to fraud and is misquoting!!

As I said:

Nigeria is 66 years behind South Africa in ground based ISTAR and 25 years behind South Africa in ground search radar!![/size]

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Nope, you just started adding 25 years today, yesterday you said 66 years all through ! Liar ! Fraud !

We forced you to do a re-think

patches689:


We are talking about how Nigeria is 66 years behind South Africa in terms of ground surveillance.

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agaugust:


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Nope, you just started adding 25 years today, yesterday you said 66 years all through !

We forced you to do a re-think


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No data link

No mobile air search radar

= 66 years

I gave you 25 years for ground search because I am mature enough to conduct a rational argument. I wish I could say the same for you

Patchesagain:


Thales Defence Systems, theThales system integrator in South Africa, is delivering an integrated tacticalintelligence system for the South African National Defence Force (SANDF)referred to as PROJECT CYTOON. Thesystem, designed to equip an intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition and Reconnaissance (ISTAR) tactical unit, has been designed to address variousrequirements such as tactical intelligence, homeland security and boardersurveillance.
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/content/thales-reveals-project-cytoon-another-milestone-its-association-south-african-national

We have over 10 air-search radar vehicles - you have none.

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We have 46 air search radar vehicles, 30 Shilka, 16 Roland, they search air....fool !

You have ONLY 5

Your web link source does NOT say you have 10 radar vehicles. Liar ! Fraud !

@Andrewza already admitted 5 units some months ago.

Show us proof you bought another new 5 units few months ago

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Patchesagain:

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We bought our ground search systems recently between 2005-2015. Yours are ancient 1980's tech! We have posted the stats!

Thus, since you have none, our advantage is now 1000 years!! [/size]

SIPRI says you bought ALL of your mobile radars in ancient times 1980s

You are a fraud, show us how you are 66 years or 25 years ahead

SIPRI says Nigeria and South Africa are both loaded with 1980s generation 30 year old radars !


Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1980 to 2014
Note: The ÔNo. delivered/producedÕ and the ÔYear(s) of deliveriesÕ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ÔCommentsÕ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 04 April 2015


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments



United Kingdom
R: South Africa 12 AR-3D Air search radar 1981 (12) $64 m 'Operation Rodent' deal; officially delivered for air-traffic control
(1) S-711 Air search radar 1985 (1)


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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All SANDF ground based mobile radars are models from 1981 to 1985.

CASE CLOSED BY SIPRI DATABASE

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Patchesagain:


If you could read you would see that is says it track and engage them - no mention of how.

It says nothing about detecting ground targets with radar.

I ask again, show us where it says the Shilka can detect ground targets with its Radar

I just did that one hour ago, and you replied to show your defeat, so let's ridicule Patches again !


"ZSU 23-4 Shilka, is capable of acquiring, tracking and engaging low-flying aircraft, as well as mobile ground targets while either in place or on the move. Employed in pairs 200 meters apart, 400 meters behind battalion leading elements, it is commonly used to surpress ATGM launch sites."

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/zsu-23-4.htm

Shilka acquires, tracks, engage, and kill ground targets even on the move....PROVED

Go jump into river Zambezi and end your Easter there
.

Patchesagain:


Biafra war involved less than 200 000 men,

Biafra and Nigeria did not operate modern equipment. The wars in Angola and Congo were both twice the size.

Nigerian army alone was officially 250,000 troops in Biafra war, not counting air force and navy.

100,000 troops died on both sides.

We had about 30 MiG-17 jets and Delfin jets in Biafra war and artillery was modern. NNS Obuma was a modern frigate then
.

Went to the Rand Show today to view the SANDF display.

Special Forces

Tactical Intelligence

Squire Man-Portable Ground Radar (Thales) and other tactical sighting systems

EVarn:
oh i do..i understand what you are saying,and it doesnt make sense.
which port did the fishing boat leave from?,is it compulsory for a licensed private boat to embark on sail only through ports?
How are you certain that the fishing boat recieved your alert signal?

Again you show how you're not knowledgeable on maritime matters.

You think people just wake up, get to their and wonder everywhere.

Tactical Intel

Mobile (truck mounted) intel command centre. This was impressive.

agaugust:


You see Nigerian missiles outside storage scattered all over your street ? Mumu
.

An army that can't store 155mm shells and you wanna convince us these guys can store missiles for 30+ years.

agaugust:


Valour frigates are useless crap warships with inaccurate guns and incompetent gunners that cannot shot on target.

You must beg Nigerian navy to teach you how to use naval guns, we have sea war experience with NNS Obuma frigate
.

Running away?

The "ZAR" will keep humbling you.

Nigerian can't deploy her ships on long trips operating away from naval bases.

MikeCZAR:
Again you show how you're not knowledgeable on maritime matters.

You think people just wake up, get to their and wonder everywhere.

abeg,go sidon.you have nothing substantial to say.

agaugust:


Prove it, and show us how many you have
.

Keep crying cave dweller.

Enough to deploy outside our boarders.

agaugust:


Indian army is number 4 super power in the world, they use Rasit like Nigeria. 30 countries use Rasit radar. Mumu domingo
.

India is not Nigeria.

And no it is not number 4.

agaugust:


Citation needed.

Ratel engine is German product
.

Built in South Africa.

agaugust:


...standards on paper....no money to integrate 100% on every equipment. SANDF is broke
.

Then your armed forces are beyond broke.

SA Army Engineers

Bridge Deploying tank and Bomb Disposal Robot

Wire guided torpedo.

agaugust:


...standards on paper....no money to integrate 100% on every equipment. SANDF is broke
.

Tell us that when the Gripens go for their software upgrades

Ram jet powered Meteor missiles on the way

saengine:
Wire guided torpedo.

where's that imbec.ile augubugubu who claimed SAN doesn't have wire guided heavy torpedoes?