Rooivalk nose mounted sighting system and 20mm cannon. Mokopa anti-tank also on display.

agaugust:


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We have 46 air search radar vehicles, 30 Shilka, 16 Roland, they search air....fool !

You have ONLY 5

Your web link source does NOT say you have 10 radar vehicles. Liar ! Fraud !

@Andrewza already admitted 5 units some months ago.

Show us proof you bought another new 5 units few months ago

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Web link proves that the Thales Ground search radar forms part of a ground based ISTAR capability SANDF has and that Nigeria does not.Are you too st.upid to even keep up with the argument?

Your 50 air search radars are short range and they are nodes - they only see what is in their area - they cannot transmit information to the force commander they cannot co-ordinate defences.

He cannot use them as early warning of air attacks meaning that you lose valuable minutes scrambling your F-7's - SANDF Gripen will be over your airbases before you can defend yourself, JDAMS and glide bombs will rain down on you

SANDF has superior range mobile radar systems and they are intergrated meaning that all info is sent to central command and control centers in real time, while the complete air-picture allows the CRAM and Starstreak systems launch co-ordinated defence of instillations as well as earlyer scrambling of Gripen and Hawks to intercept. When GBADS is complete the Uhmkonto will slot into that to form the most advanced air defence network in Africa

So, even despite the fact that you have changed the argument from ground search to air search - you still lose!

saengine:
Wire guided torpedo.

Did you mean wire guided Torpedo D.!.L.D.O?

agaugust:


SIPRI says you bought ALL of your mobile radars in ancient times 1980s

You are a fraud, show us how you are 66 years or 25 years ahead

SIPRI says Nigeria and South Africa are both loaded with 1980s generation 30 year old radars !


Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1980 to 2014
Note: The ÔNo. delivered/producedÕ and the ÔYear(s) of deliveriesÕ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ÔCommentsÕ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 04 April 2015


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments



United Kingdom
R: South Africa 12 AR-3D Air search radar 1981 (12) $64 m 'Operation Rodent' deal; officially delivered for air-traffic control
(1) S-711 Air search radar 1985 (1)


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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All SANDF ground based mobile radars are models from 1981 to 1985.

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SIPRI does not record domestic upgrades to the System which were performed under Project Rossma while we developed our own mobile radar the Kameelperd under Project Bioskoop - all completed in the mid 2000's onwards.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-6479/

Also, well done on confirming we have 12 of that model.

We are talking about ground search radars

You are talking about air search radars - which is weird since you have none in this category

So, all our mobile air-search radar was upgraded or built in the 2000's and our ground search radar is from 2010 onwards.

You have ground search purchased in 1980, Shilka purchased in 1980 and Roland purchased in 1980

[size=20pt]So, in terms of mobile air-search radar we are 66 years ahead of you (since you have none), in terms of mobile ground-search radar we are exactly 35 years ahead of you. Final figures compared by SIPRI[/size]

Found this interesting. Mobile (trailer mounted) satellite communication system with 1 Signal Regiment. There is a 2m (approximately) satellite dish just above this. Operator said wherever his commanders need satellite comms, they can deploy the system. Said the system has been in service for about 4 years. Took a chance, asked him which satellites it communicates with....of course he said thats classified. System comes with secure/encrypted comms equipment in another trailer next to it.

agaugust:


I just did that one hour ago, and you replied to show your defeat, so let's ridicule Patches again !


"ZSU 23-4 Shilka, is capable of acquiring, tracking and engaging low-flying aircraft, as well as mobile ground targets while either in place or on the move. Employed in pairs 200 meters apart, 400 meters behind battalion leading elements, it is commonly used to surpress ATGM launch sites."

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/zsu-23-4.htm

Shilka acquires, tracks, engage, and kill ground targets even on the move....PROVED

Go jump into river Zambezi and end your Easter there
.

Where does it say it does so with Radar?

You know the shilka has optical sights right?

Show us where it says shilka can use its radar for ground search!!

agaugust:


Nigerian army alone was officially 250,000 troops in Biafra war, not counting air force and navy.

100,000 troops died on both sides.

We has about 30 MiG-17 jets and Delfin jets in Biafra war and artillery was modern. NNS Obuma was a modern frigate then
.

Your Migs were destroyed on the ground by Biafran civilian Cessna's with rockets strapped to them

Total size of forces involved:

Nigerian Army: 120,000
Biafran Army: 30,000
http://www.litencyc.com/theliterarymagazine/biafra.php

You filthly liar.

saengine:
Rooivalk nose mounted sighting system and 20mm cannon. Mokopa anti-tank also on display.

Finally - case closed

saengine:
Found this interesting. Mobile (trailer mounted) satellite communication system with 1 Signal Regiment. There is a 2m (approximately) satellite dish just above this. Operator said wherever his commanders need satellite comms, they can deploy the system. Said the system has been in service for about 4 years. Took a chance, asked him which satellites it communicates with....of course he said thats classified. System comes with secure/encrypted comms equipment in another trailer next to it.

Love the pics!!!Keep them coming!!

Kameelperd Mobile Radar (Project Bioskoop)

When standing next to it, its hard to believe it all folds up onto the back of a truck. Quite intimidating.

patches689:


South Africans will win quickly

But nigerians will keep trying to fight - they are too stu.pid to know that they have been defeated.

LMAO!!

jln115:

Love the pics!!!Keep them coming!!

Thanks. But the rest of the pics are of systems we all know. Rooikat etc etc. Dont want to overflood the forum. Was looking for specialised equipment we dont really see....e.g the bomb disposal robot. Need to meet a friend around Nasrec on monday, so might pop in for more pics i missed.

Although i did see Goodluck Jonathan....now that he has more time on his hands.

saengine:


Thanks. But the rest of the pics are of systems we all know. Rooikat etc etc. Dont want to overflood the forum. Was looking for specialised equipment we dont really see....e.g the bomb disposal robot. Need to meet a friend around Nasrec on monday, so might pop in for more pics i missed.

Although i did see Goodluck Jonathan....now that he has more time on his hands.

saengine:


Thanks. But the rest of the pics are of systems we all know. Rooikat etc etc. Dont want to overflood the forum. Was looking for specialised equipment we dont really see....e.g the bomb disposal robot. Need to meet a friend around Nasrec on monday, so might pop in for more pics i missed.

Although i did see Goodluck Jonathan....now that he has more time on his hands.

Awesome!!
I was at the Rand show last year, this year it looks even better!!!!

I was also at the Rand show in 2011, that year they had the electronic target range, i will never forget the loud mouth claiming he was ex SADF SFs ,yet my mother scored higher at target shooting.

saengine:
Kameelperd Mobile Radar (Project Bioskoop)

When standing next to it, its hard to believe it all folds up onto the back of a truck. Quite intimidating.

Soon likely to be joined by the DBRXL RSR 320 under the GBADS programme.

jln115:

Awesome!!
I was at the Rand show last year, this year it looks even better!!!!

I was also at the Rand show in 2011, that year they had the electronic target range, i will never forget the loud mouth claiming he was ex SADF SFs ,yet my mother scored higher at target shooting.

Little high schooler going to exhibitions with his mom.
What did the guy say after he lost?

jln115:

Awesome!!
I was at the Rand show last year, this year it looks even better!!!!

I was also at the Rand show in 2011, that year they had the electronic target range, i will never forget the loud mouth claiming he was ex SADF SFs ,yet my mother scored higher at target shooting.

Yep. 2016 wil be ever more interesting, with new systems coming online. Yeah there were guys like that today...acting as if they know more about the systems than the actual operators.

saengine:
Went to the Rand Show today to view the SANDF display.

Special Forces

Cool pics Bro..It looks like this years gear is way cooler than what they were showing last year. Is the Badger there cause i read somewhere that it would be there. And did you check out the Parabat Facility?

Centrifude:


Cool pics Bro..It looks like this years gear is way cooler than what they were showing last year. Is the Badger there cause i read somewhere that it would be there. And did you check out the Parabat Facility?

Nope. Didnt see Badger. But Defenceweb stated it would be there. Took all these pics in about 10 minutes, so missed a bit. Was actually there to watch the air force capability display....which was quite nice and loud. Low flying Rooivalk, Oryx dropping/extracting troops , Augusta, and low high speed passes by Gripen. Infantry also put on a nice show in the small space available.

saengine:


Nope. Didnt see Badger. But Defenceweb stated it would be there. Took all these pics in about 10 minutes, so missed a bit. Was actually there to watch the air force capability display....which was quite nice and loud. Low flying Rooivalk, Oryx dropping/extracting troops , Augusta, and low high speed passes by Gripen. Infantry also put on a nice show in the small space available.

Ahh man this sucks I can't believe I missed out on another Air Force Capability display, writing exams sucks... Is the entrance fee still R100 bucks cause some of us are on a Student Budget (.___.)

charlos14:

Little high schooler going to exhibitions with his mom.
What did the guy say after he lost?

"Little high schooler going to exhibitions with his mom."
Jap ,with my mom and the rest of my Family, and yes i was in Gr11 in 2011

"What did the guy say after he lost?"
Said the rifle wasnt sighted properly(possible),i on the other hand had no problem with the sights though.

saengine:


Yep. 2016 wil be ever more interesting, with new systems coming online. Yeah there were guys like that today...acting as if they know more about the systems than the actual operators.

"Yeah there were guys like that today...acting as if they know more about the systems than the actual operators."

Ironic thing is, 99% of those guys were never actually in the military.

Centrifude:


Ahh man this sucks I can't believe I missed out on another Air Force Capability display, writing exams sucks... Is the entrance fee still R100 bucks cause some of us are on a Student Budget (.___.)

Lol. R120

Centrifude:


Ahh man this sucks I can't believe I missed out on another Air Force Capability display, writing exams sucks... Is the entrance fee still R100 bucks cause some of us are on a Student Budget (.___.)

"some of us are on a Student Budget"

I know the pain bro!!!

saengine:
SA Army Engineers

Bridge Deploying tank and Bomb Disposal Robot

Wow I didn't know we had Bridge deploying *TANKs* (O_o)

I remember last year when I was talking to an Intelligence Operative and a Parabat, and the Parabat was complaining about how they are the ones who always get shot at and killed while the Intelligence guys never do sh1t and that they just hide in the bushes and trees busy taking pictures and talking on their radios.

jln115:

"some of us are on a Student Budget"

I know the pain bro!!!

Eish Bruh!! And that extra R20 is making me not wana go there tomorrow ey.

Centrifude:


Eish Bruh!! And that extra R20 is making me not wana go there tomorrow ey.

Hahaha sure it will be worth it!
Just dont eat or drink anything while you're there, the food and drinks are even more expensive than the entrance fee.

MikeCZAR:
India is not Nigeria.
And no it is not number 4.

number 4 superpower,doesnt mean number 4 military power.sulu gambari.

Patchesagain:


No data link

No mobile air search radar

= 66 years

I gave you 25 years for ground search because I am mature enough to conduct a rational argument. I wish I could say the same for you

You were mature enough to notice imminent defeat of your argument, and adjust your 66 years down to 25 years to avoid humiliation

We have 46 mobile air search radars with 20 km range and all are armed to destroy air or ground target detected by the radars.

SANDF has NOTHING like that, your radars have no weapons for attack.

Full Data-link is NOT a weapon, and is NOT compulsory, even SANDF does NOT have 100% data-link, you are just starting with SAAF jets, etc, your army does NOT have data-link on all equipment, no money.

Data-link exists on many Nigerian weapons individually, it's no magic wand to have datalink everywhere every platform, there are other communication equipment, ATR-42 has ELINT and superior data-link to Direct NA battles. Videos have shown that in Boko war.

66 years ? SANDF has 1980s radars according to SIPRI.....you are ahead of Lesotho NOT Nigeria, we both parade 1980s radar
.

saengine:
Rooivalk nose mounted sighting system and 20mm cannon. Mokopa anti-tank also on display.

Mokopa missile from DENEL laboratory....NOT in service....not ordered by SAAF or SANDF
.

Patchesagain:


Your 50 air search radars are short range and they are nodes - they only see what is in their area - they cannot transmit information to the force commander they cannot co-ordinate defences.

Your 14 Thales air search radars are short ranged, toys on human backpack, no armour, no weapons to attack the enemy they detect. They are NOT part of SNADF datalink, they are tiny infantry radars, all 14 CANNOT kill a pigeon in the air after detecting it.

46 Nigerian Shilka and Rolands will radar detect the enemy on ground and air and kill the enemy IMMEDIATELY !

SANDF is 66 years behind Nigeria, we have ISTAR + WEAPONS integrated
.

Patchesagain:


SIPRI does not record domestic upgrades to the System which were performed under Project Rossma while we developed our own mobile radar the Kameelperd under Project Bioskoop - all completed in the mid 2000's onwards.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-6479/

Also, well done on confirming we have 12 of that model.

We are talking about ground search radars

You are talking about air search radars - which is weird since you have none in this category

So, all our mobile air-search radar was upgraded or built in the 2000's and our ground search radar is from 2010 onwards.

You have ground search purchased in 1980, Shilka purchased in 1980 and Roland purchased in 1980

[size=13pt]So, in terms of mobile air-search radar we are 66 years ahead of you (since you have none), in terms of mobile ground-search radar we are exactly 35 years ahead of you. Final figures compared by SIPRI[/size]

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According to SIPRI final authority, South Africa has 1980s old generation radars

Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments



United Kingdom

R: South Africa 12 AR-3D Air search radar 1981 (12) $64 m 'Operation Rodent' deal; officially delivered for air-traffic control
(1) S-711 Air search radar 1985 (1)


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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