jln115:

Its ok the rest of the world thinks otherwise than your socalled umpire of world press.

"Your own press think otherwise."
Uhm....No they dont!!

lezz:
Your press coined the phrase "humiliating defeat" as a result of that war.

Henry120:


Also try using the google search right here on nairaland.

jln115:

"Your press coined the phrase "humiliating defeat" as a result of that war."
Which South African press? and when?

lezz:
https://www.nelsonmandela.org/omalley/index.php/site/q/03lv03445/04lv04015/05lv04051/06lv04056/07lv04057.htm

jln115:

Firstly mate, look at the date: JAN 11 1988
Secondly the article barley even touches on any Border War events and definitely not any ,were it says they demolished the SADF!

lezz:
An oversight.


With Cuban reinforcements, the Angolans withstood major assaults on January 23, February 25, and March 23. The South Africans were repulsed with heavy losses, and the Angolan/Cuban forces seized the initiative. For the first time since 1981, the Angolan army was able to reoccupy the area adjacent to Namibia. So confident were the Angolans and Cubans, that in the space of less than three months they built two air strips to consolidate their recapture of the southern province of Cunene. Trapped by the rainy season, bogged down by the terrain, and encircled, the South Africans made one desperate attempt to break out on June 27 and were again defeated. One South African newspaper called the defeat “a crushing humiliation.”
http://monthlyreview.org/2013/04/01/the-military-defeat-of-the-south-africans-in-angola/

andrewza:


Does that matter. Denel is state owned. All so the only defence company to show there stuff was paramount. That means those mokape belong to the SANDF.

andrewza:


Why would you think Germany though? Any case the engines are built local we even sell Ford USA engines built by Ford SA.

jln115:
Denel gets A-Darter production contract

http://www.janes.com/article/50334/denel-gets-a-darter-production-contract

EVarn:


Africa's superpower rising.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LBn2S3mgjo

agaugust:


Missile range of A-Darter is worse than IRIS-T.

SAAF A-Darter 20 km

NAF PL-9C BVR 35 km

Sorry, NAF has to shooot down all SAAF jets before you can launch any A-Darter.....Gripen/Hawk die from 35 km away
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agaugust:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LBn2S3mgjo

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Bwahahaahhahaha

South Africa had to bring a white-man, one of their apartheid masters to face Nigeria's black-man economic expert on technical issues, the black Soweto brains are so dull, their coloureds too so dumb....they always rely on the white man to save them.

Nigeria is Africa's black power !

We have the best brains, we don't get jobs by ANC type of BEE programme for putting people in top positons with their bottom level brains

Shame on you dullard blacks and cloured m.orons of South Africa....

Permanent dullards and dundee domingos
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agaugust:


Nope, SANDF does NOT get free weapons form DENEL, you make purchase order, sign contract of sale, pay cash and buy.

You guys ruined DENEL financially few years ago with poor management at DENEL lost all it's cash, almost collapsed , and government had to pay cash for bail out. DENEL cannot, CANNOT afford to give away free missiles or equipment to SANDF.

Government ownership does NOT = Charitable organization like Red Cross !

Mokopa missile is NOT wanted by SANDF according to your own SAAF Brigadier General, who gave technical reasons, I psoted the long interview here from defenseweb. NO NEED TO REPEAT SAME STORY AGAIN AND AGAIN !

Mokopa missile NOT in service.

CASE CLOSED
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agaugust:


Missile range of A-Darter is worse than IRIS-T.

[s]SAAF A-Darter 20 km

NAF PL-9C BVR 35 km

Sorry, NAF has to shooot down all SAAF jets before you can launch any A-Darter.....Gripen/Hawk die from 35 km away [/s]
.

agaugust:


You were mature enough to notice imminent defeat of your argument, and adjust your 66 years down to 25 years to avoid humiliation

We have 46 mobile air search radars with 20 km range and all are armed to destroy air or ground target detected by the radars.

SANDF has NOTHING like that, your radars have no weapons for attack.

Full Data-link is NOT a weapon, and is NOT compulsory, even SANDF does NOT have 100% data-link, you are just starting with SAAF jets, etc, your army does NOT have data-link on all equipment, no money.

Data-link exists on many Nigerian weapons individually, it's no magic wand to have datalink everywhere every platform, there are other communication equipment, ATR-42 has ELINT and superior data-link to Direct NA battles. Videos have shown that in Boko war.

66 years ? SANDF has 1980s radars according to SIPRI.....you are ahead of Lesotho NOT Nigeria, we both parade 1980s radar
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agaugust:


Mokopa missile from DENEL laboratory....NOT in service....not ordered by SAAF or SANDF
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agaugust:


Your 14 Thales air search radars are short ranged, toys on human backpack, no armour, no weapons to attack the enemy they detect. They are NOT part of SNADF datalink, they are tiny infantry radars, all 14 CANNOT kill a pigeon in the air after detecting it.

46 Nigerian Shilka and Rolands will radar detect the enemy on ground and air and kill the enemy IMMEDIATELY !

SANDF is 66 years behind Nigeria, we have ISTAR + WEAPONS integrated
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agaugust:


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According to SIPRI final authority, South Africa has 1980s old generation radars

Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments



United Kingdom

R: South Africa 12 AR-3D Air search radar 1981 (12) $64 m 'Operation Rodent' deal; officially delivered for air-traffic control
(1) S-711 Air search radar 1985 (1)


http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php

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agaugust:


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American Research Project Case Study Of Africa's Biggest War :

Nigerian army Biafra war = 250,000 soldiers without counting Nigerian navy and air force.

Biafra too has army, navy, air force.

100,000 troops died in the war.

"HIGH: full-scale civil war, the Biafran war, 1967-1970, resulted in 100,000 military casualties. However, between 500,000 and 2 million Biafran civilians died from starvation during the war.

Outnumbered and outgunned, the rebel troops had the advantage of excellent leadership and morale. However, the FMG of Nigeria invaded Owerri, an oil rich area of the Niger delta, in 1968 and increased the Nigerian army to 250,000 men. The Biafran rebels liberated Owerri. However, but a new federal offensive in the south forced the rebels into submission."

http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/biafra.htm[/size]

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agaugust:




DENEL marketing show is what you saw.

Algeria paid cash for Mokopa, Algeria ordered for it. SAAF did NOT order any Mokopa !

We have seen photos of Rooivalk firing Mokopa missile before, yet still NOT ordered !
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agaugust:


The Biafra war has the ONLY amphibious combined Navy, Army, Air force large scale assault in African history and one of the biggest in the world in jet age. The SADF Bush was just war inside dry bush and nothing more

That sea to land amphibious assault alone was a whole Division of Nigerian troops, bigger than the whole SADF army inside Angola

Yes, no comparison !
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Henry120:


You don't have them in service. It's just a mock up.

jln115:


"DENEL marketing show is what you saw."
Market to who exactly?
The Rand show is a civilian consumer exhibition(Largest in the world outside the US) not a Defence exhibition, the SANDF is a very very small part of the Rand show!

So tell me ,why would Denel market the mokopa at the Rand show?

agaugust:


Your people here said the 14 toy radars will be carried by foot soldiers inside backpacks into the bush or mountain top for hiding out of enemy view....your artillery drives with them inside the bush and climbs mountains ?

They left the open field to hide on mountains for fear of Nigerian Shilka radar + multi-barrel cannon
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agaugust:


Looking for more customers like Ageria.....simple marketing strategy os to place Mokopa beside Rooivalk.

Or you think DENEL marketing manager will stand there in the show carrying Mokopa on top of his head ? Like a statue ?
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agaugust:


Defencweb interviewed South African Brigadier General who explained that SANDF or SAAF does NOT need Mokopa missile when they have Ingwe, I posted that article here many times.....your problem not mine
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Henry120:


Nope, because IHS Janes Defence says so.

Henry120:


Done that on many occasions, last time was in December of 2014.

The SAAF has no mokopa in service.

lezz:
https://www.nelsonmandela.org/omalley/index.php/site/q/03lv03445/04lv04015/05lv04051/06lv04056/07lv04057.htm

lezz:
An oversight.


With Cuban reinforcements, the Angolans withstood major assaults on January 23, February 25, and March 23. The South Africans were repulsed with heavy losses, and the Angolan/Cuban forces seized the initiative. For the first time since 1981, the Angolan army was able to reoccupy the area adjacent to Namibia. So confident were the Angolans and Cubans, that in the space of less than three months they built two air strips to consolidate their recapture of the southern province of Cunene. Trapped by the rainy season, bogged down by the terrain, and encircled, the South Africans made one desperate attempt to break out on June 27 and were again defeated. One South African newspaper called the defeat “a crushing humiliation.”
http://monthlyreview.org/2013/04/01/the-military-defeat-of-the-south-africans-in-angola/