Patchesagain:


This is what the manufacturer says

agaugust:


Your source says RANGE = 20 km

My source says MAXIMUM EFFECTIVE RANGE = 35 km

The difference is that my source goes further to show maximum range, yours stopped at just range.

I posted more detailed information from a more detailed source, all these details in army recognition are not found on manufacturers website.

Your source is too scanty with skinny details, I have posted the full one below :

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Patchesagain:


Show me where a PLC-9 engaged an air-to-air target at 35km

agaugust:


Your source says RANGE = 20 km

My source says MAXIMUM EFFECTIVE RANGE = 35 km

The difference is that my source goes further to show maximum range, yours stopped at just range.

I posted more detailed information from a more detailed source, all these details in army recognition are not found on manufacturers website.

Your source is too scanty with skinny details, I have posted the full one below :

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MikeCZAR:
It is between France and the UK.

Patchesagain:


http://www.janes.com/article/50334/denel-gets-a-darter-production-contract

http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=21028

saengine:


Show us where Iris-T shot down another air to air missile in a test. Germany's Diehl is lying about Iris-T capability?

jln115:


The SANDF payed for more than half of the R& D for the mokopa, thus it basically purchased, a sh!t load of mokopa's before they even started with production.

www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13247:denels-mokopa-pgm-ready-for-market&catid=90:science-a-technology&Itemid=204

lezz:
Are you just waking up? It's everywhere; CIA backed SANDF troops got a serious beating in Angola in 1988. The Americans where dropping air supplies and men from their base in Zaire.

you don't want to take us 7 pages back now, do you?

lezz:
Are you just waking up? It's everywhere; CIA backed SANDF troops got a serious beating in Angola in 1988. The Americans where dropping air supplies and men from their base in Zaire.

you don't want to take us 7 pages back now, do you?

andrewza:


Proof for anything you said?

agaugust:


Bwahahahaha

Your own source actually confirms NO MOKOPA MISSILE FOR SANDF !


"On the other hand, SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano saw only limited short-term opportunity for Mokopa with the land services. Most armies won't use it optimally, he noted. Land-to-land targeting at 5.5km, as with Ingwe, is already a very long range for target acquisition. You cant's see much further in the dust and glare of the battlefield. With Mokopa you go over-the-horison and then your communications and command-and-control has to be very advanced.

Wessels adds the SAAF is interested in the system for Lynx “but want us to succeed somewhere else first”, as it does not have the cash on hand to pay for the integration costs. This is in line with comments made by SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano on that subject."


The whole 10km long range idea of Mokopa is actually a foolish project idea of Soweto mumus, it cannot work on battlefield, I have always said South African's noise about weapon range like artillery and etc in land battle is foolishness that will fail in battlefield realities, now South African air force chief of staff agrees with Augustine !
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SOURCE : Defenceweb news on Mokopa PGM.....your own source....thank you bro !

AugustineAgain:
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SADF used foreign mercenaries hired to help South African army in bush war.

"There was always a sprinkling of whites originating from countries like Great Britain, the old Rhodesia, Portugal and the USA amongst its leadership cadre, although in the latter stages of its existence this shrank to only a few. "

http://flecha.co.uk/[/size]

andrewza:



Wow you foolish.


Firstly the army does not see much use for it and saaf was talking about getting it for the lynx.


No 10km is limited in land use. The rooivalk can fly.

AugustineAgain:

andrewza:



There where not mercs. They where members of SADF.

andrewza:


Site has not been updated....

andrewza:


http://www.southafrica.info/business/investing/fordduratorq-020811.htm#.VSEha-BBvqB

AugustineAgain:
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Yes they were white mercenaries from Zimbabwe, Portugal, and USA.

Also, 60% of South African army in battle during Angolan Bush war, were actually black men, mostly Angolan citizens.

South Africa was hiring foreign white and black men as mercenaries for the bush war, stop claiming glory by stealing as usual, the 60% glory of SADF belongs to mercenaries most of whom were black Angolans. SADF was giving out it's army uniform freely to foreign mercenaries that saved South Africa from the young hand of an inexperienced Cuban army of teenagers and girls, beautiful young girls

"3. Contrary to popular believe, most SADF soldiers fighting the Bushwar, were non-white volunteers, with as much as 60% by the closing years of the war."

https://sites.google.com/site/sabushwarsite/interesting

See Cuban soldier girls mocking South African army of mercenaries
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AugustineAgain:


Your very own source says South Africa does ordinary ASSEMBLY not ,manufacture of Ford engines.

The assembly plant opened in 2011, Ratel IFV was built in 1980s, surely not with engines assembled in 2011

SA imports Ford engines in pieces from USA and assemble the engine parts. Stop freaking yourself out dude !
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AugustineAgain:


....because there is no new information to update
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agaugust:


Your source says RANGE = 20 km

My source says MAXIMUM EFFECTIVE RANGE = 35 km

The difference is that my source goes further to show maximum range, yours stopped at just range.

I posted more detailed information from a more detailed source, all these details in army recognition are not found on manufacturers website.

Your source is too scanty with skinny details, I have posted the full one below :

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agaugust:


Show me where A-Darter and IRIS-T engaged an air to air target at 20 km and 25 km respectively
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agaugust:


Citation needed .

India is number 4 world power, their military is many times bigger than those of UK and France.

India parades modern world class weapons of latest versions, they have even ordered 5th generation stealth jet fighters Sukhoi T-50 PAK,

France and UK, has NO SINGLE stealth jet fighter, also check out the massive number of India's tanks/artillery/guided missiles, they will overwhelm both FRance and UK combined, don't even count their infantry, Indian infantry will completely surround and swallow France and UK infantry forces.

India selected 144 units of Sukhoi PAK T-50 ultra-modern 5th Generation Stealth jet fighter

Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Russia
L: India 140 Su-30MK/Flanker FGA aircraft (2001) 2005-2014 (109) $3-5.4 b deal; Su-30MKI version; delivery probably 2005-2019

144 Sukhoi T-50 PAKFA FGA aircraft (2012) $30-35 b 'FGFA' programme for '5th generation stealth fighter' (incl production in India)

http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php
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agaugust:


NOTHING in your foolish web links to prove your claims, those stories you posted are just web pages talking about -Darter for sale.
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agaugust:


[size=13pt]Yes, it's a lie ! I don't accept lies because a white-man is the one telling the lie, you South Africans don't mind white people deceiving you, we Nigerians DO NOT take shiit from any white man, that's why they fear us and hate us.

You Soweto mumus are the horses that white men ride on their way to Shoprite

Show me in this world where Germany tested IRIS-T against another air to air missile in live fire combat simulation.

PL-9C is faster than IRIS-T, so how does a slower missile catch up in race with a faster missile ?

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agaugust:


[size=13pt]Yes, it's a lie ! I don't accept lies because a white-man is the one telling the lie, you South Africans don't mind white people deceiving you, we Nigerians DO NOT take shiit from any white man, that's why they fear us and hate us.

You Soweto mumus are the horses that white men ride on their way to Shoprite

Show me in this world where Germany tested IRIS-T against another air to air missile in live fire combat simulation.

PL-9C is faster than IRIS-T, so how does a slower missile catch up in race with a faster missile ?

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agaugust:


Bwahahahaha

Your own source actually confirms NO MOKOPA MISSILE FOR SANDF !


"On the other hand, SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano saw only limited short-term opportunity for Mokopa with the land services. Most armies won't use it optimally, he noted. Land-to-land targeting at 5.5km, as with Ingwe, is already a very long range for target acquisition. You cant's see much further in the dust and glare of the battlefield. With Mokopa you go over-the-horison and then your communications and command-and-control has to be very advanced.

Wessels adds the SAAF is interested in the system for Lynx “but want us to succeed somewhere else first”, as it does not have the cash on hand to pay for the integration costs. This is in line with comments made by SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano on that subject."


The whole 10km long range idea of Mokopa is actually a foolish project idea of Soweto mumus, it cannot work on battlefield, I have always said South African's noise about weapon range like artillery and etc in land battle is foolishness that will fail in battlefield realities, now South African air force chief of staff agrees with Augustine !
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SOURCE : Defenceweb news on Mokopa PGM.....your own source....thank you bro !

EVarn:
oh man,dont you think before you type,or are you just plain ignorant?.let me help you with the chronological order of world powers:
USA
China
UK
India
Russia{or Germany}
Germany{or Russia}
France
Canada
Israel
Brazil

AugustineAgain:


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SADF used foreign mercenaries hired to help South African army in bush war against Angola.

Southies want to take all the glory ? No way ! Foreign mercenaries COMMANDED South African troops in Angolan war !

"There was always a sprinkling of whites originating from countries like Great Britain, the old Rhodesia, Portugal and the USA amongst its leadership cadre, although in the latter stages of its existence this shrank to only a few. "

http://flecha.co.uk/

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AugustineAgain: