saengine:


Lmao!! He did exactly what i said he would do....he developed a whole new capability for PL-9 missile .

This is one of your most pathetic posts...which says a lot. Lets pretend you have 35km range missiles...

1. You just pulled the 10 second incoming missile time detection completely out of your a.ss. You just blatently made something up....infront of everyone. How embarrassing . What must the Gripen pilot do to detect a missile? Boil water, slaughter a goat while looking out the window with binoculors? System is completely automatic, high end electronic processors. Argument demolished.

2. Minimum distance you can fire at us is 20km. At "4000km/h" it takes 18 seconds to travel that distance. Again showing you are making sh*t up with "10 seconds". You're telling us in 2015 with it takes a 4th generation fighter more than 18 seconds to detect threats? Making sh*t up. Argument demolished.

You know I am always one step ahead of you in this game, yes 18 seconds to travel from F-7 to Gripen, but about half of that time to kill the Gripen.....first 9 seconds of PL-9C flight is not deadly, it's the time wasted to suck the target into the NO ESCAPE ZONE of air to air dogfight.

After the first 9 seconds, the PL-9C has closed in on the Gripen to trap the target inside the technical NO ESCAPE ZONE.....KILL ZONE !

9 seconds, that is why I said about 10 seconds. I know what I am saying, this is real combat not internet copy and paste from a website.

In that zone, even your flares and chaff will find it very difficult to save you because you are head to head with the PL-9C and your own jet speed is used against you as you are actually running straight into collision course with the PL-9C.

In that zone, if by miracle (Which will not happen anyway) you fire A-Darter to intercept the PL-9C, the two missiles will collide and explode about 5 seconds distance from the Gripen and the explosion plus fire ball splinters will hit the Gripen and blow it up or k.ill the pilot through the cockpit glass !

So, the other case is if the PL-9C pilot manuevers his missile to evade the coming A-Darter after the first 9 seconds, the IRIS-T will follow the lock-on and pursue the PL-9C from behind, then suddenly both missiles are now heading to hit the Gripen during the last 9 seconds in the NO ESCAPE KILL ZONE....your Gripen jet pilot will be hit by two missiles in quick succession and double explosion will tear the Gripen into blinking bits and pieces you will never see the pilot's dead body for ever.

SAAF will bury an empty coffin with the flag of the Repuiblic of South Africa covering it, no corpse inside.

That is war in reality, that is how jet fighters fight, you won't find that to copy and paste from internet.

A Nigerian pilot will always think one step ahead of a South African pilot. 9 or 10 seconds to death in the NO ESCAPE KILL ZONE.

GAME OVER !
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Patchesagain:


2015 pictoral evidance says otherwise

Why would the SANDF display equipment it does not have?

To advertise it for DENEL as usual, like this marketing promo....
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lezz:
Are you just waking up? It's everywhere; CIA backed SANDF troops got a serious beating in Angola in 1988. The Americans where dropping air supplies and men from their base in Zaire.

you don't want to take us 7 pages back now, do you?

[citation needed]

Patchesagain:


2015 pictoral evidance says otherwise

Why would the SANDF display equipment it does not have?

Actual evidence says you have no money.

Marketing for Denel, nothing new.

AugustineAgain:


....marketing it for DENEL as usual, like this....

MOKOPA ATGM IS FINALLY IN SERVICE AT SAAF. INFACT IT WAS IN SERVICE FROM THE FIRST DAY IT WAS DEVELOPED BECAUSE DENEL BELONGS TO SANDF.

Henry120:


Actual evidence says you have no money.

Marketing for Denel, nothing new.

ACTUAL EVIDENCE SAYS SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENT ALLOCATED A NEW BUDGET FOR 2015 TO EVERY DEPARTMENT.

Msauza:


ACTUAL EVIDENCE SAYS SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENT ALLOCATED A NEW BUDGET FOR 2015 TO EVERY DEPARTMENT.

Yes to pay workers salaries
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AugustineAgain:


To advertise it for DENEL as usual, like this marketing promo....
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Those pics shows Mokopa that was still in development undergoing testing

Patchesagain:


One battalion of an army of over 200 000?

SADF had only 4,000 soldiers on Angolan battlefront. South Africa did not and does NOT have any 200,000 man army from 1970s till today, or you making Xerox photo-copies of human being ?
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AugustineAgain:


You know I am always one step ahead of you in this game, yes 18 seconds to travel from F-7 to Gripen, but about half of that time to kill the Gripen.....first 9 seconds of PL-9C flight is not deadly, it's the time wasted to suck the target into the NO ESCAPE ZONE of air to air dogfight.

After the first 9 seconds, the PL-9C has closed in on the Gripen to trap the target inside the technical NO ESCAPE ZONE.....KILL ZONE !

9 seconds, that is why I said about 10 seconds. I know what I am saying, this is real combat not internet copy and paste from a website.

In that zone, even your flares and chaff will find it very difficult to save you because you are head to head with the PL-9C and your own jet speed is used against you as you are actually running straight into collision course with the PL-9C.

In that zone, if by miracle (Which will not happen anyway) you fire A-Darter to intercept the PL-9C, the two missiles will collide and explode about 5 seconds distance from the Gripen and the explosion plus fire ball splinters will hit the Gripen and blow it up or k.ill the pilot through the cockpit glass !

So, the other case is if the PL-9C pilot manuevers his missile to evade the coming A-Darter after the first 9 seconds, the IRIS-T will follow the lock-on and pursue the PL-9C from behind, then suddenly both missiles are now heading to hit the Gripen during the last 9 seconds in the NO ESCAPE KILL ZONE....your Gripen jet pilot will be hit by two missiles in quick succession and double explosion will tear the Gripen into blinking bits and pieces you will never see the pilot's dead body for ever.

SAAF will bury an empty coffin with the flag of the Repuiblic of South Africa covering it, no corpse inside.

That is war in reality, that is how jet fighters fight, you won't find that to copy and paste from internet.

A Nigerian pilot will always think one step ahead of a South African pilot. 9 or 10 seconds to death in the NO ESCAPE KILL ZONE.

GAME OVER !
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Augustus

The Gripen will detect the F-7 from 120km out - it will be ready long before the F-7 even knows there are other Jets around.

The Gripen will start evasive maneuvers as soon as it detects missile launch from the F-7 - turning away from it and deploying Chaff and EW to jam it.

The time is a total of 18 seconds, this is final.

The PLC-9 cannot out maneuver the A-darter and it is not advanced enough to do so (not advanced enough to detect, identify and create an evasion forumla and a targeting solution for the aircraft) - the A-darter will hit it straight on and obliterate it.

What you are talking about is not how jets fight - it is a delusion that you have created so that in your tiny mind a 3rd generation F-7 with 2nd gen missiles can take on a 4th Generation Gripen with 3rd generation missiles

In reality the Gripen will see you first, maneuver outside your F-7's forward facing radar cone and drop altitude so that it gets added stealth from ground clutter, other Gripen then go on and get the F-7 to chase them (but making sure to stay out of missile range), when your pilots change their radars form air-search to track they will lose all situation awareness as their radar's will be focused on a 40 degree cone around the gripen they are chasing. At this point the other gripen strike- it will deploy missiles first and kill first.

Yo

AugustineAgain:


To advertise it for DENEL as usual, like this marketing promo....
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Why is Denel advertising at a civilian fun-fair?

To sell the Smiths from round the corner cutting edge ATGM's for when someone parks in their spot at the supermarket?

Get a hold of yourself.

Henry120:


Actual evidence says you have no money.

Marketing for Denel, nothing new.

Actual evidence says we are getting 6 new vessels, MPA's as well as new transports, as well as heavyweight torpedoes.

We have money brah

AugustineAgain:


Yes to pay workers salaries
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DOD has a special human resource directorate for the salaries of members and is directly linked to SA department of public service and administration which is the central HR department of the government.

Their salaries couldn't be $4.8 billion.

AugustineAgain:


SADF had only 4,000 soldiers on Angolan battlefront. South Africa did not and does NOT have any 200,000 man army from 1970s till today, or you making Xerox photo-copies of human being ?
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In 1987 we have 13 000 men on the battlefront
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/21/world/angola-war-south-africa-presses-role.html

SADF was 500 000 strong during apartheid
https://books.google.co/books?id=7XTgSQ4bUOkC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=Apartheid+army,+size&source=bl&ots=aos8RDbNJe&sig=mIK7QUchleo5RI-1decNn9x6L-Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rHMhVdaeN4Xq8AXN1IHICg&ved=0CD4Q6AEwCDgK#v=onepage&q=Apartheid%20army%2C%20size&f=false

THE F7 NI CANNOT USE BVR OR AAM WITH A RANGE OF 35KM BECAUSE IT WONT BENEFIT IT AT ALL. THE F7 CAN ONLY SHOT AT TARGET FROM THE MAXIMUM OF 22 KM AWAY. IT HAS A POOR DETECTION RANGE BECAUSE IF IT RELEASES AAM AT 35KM, THE MISSILE WILL GO ASTRAY. IT WONT BE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK AND CONTROL OF THE MISSILE.

AGAUGAU, SANDF USED TO HIRE MANY BLACK AND COLOURED SOLDIERS THROUGH VOLUNTARY MILITARY SERVICE AND COMPULSORY MILITARY SERVICE WHICH APPLIED TO WHITES. THEY HAD A STRENGTH OF MORE THAN DOUBLE THE NUMBER OF NAF TODAY

Patchesagain:


Why is Denel advertising at a civilian fun-fair?

So that people like us in far away America can see it on internet.

All standard military shows are civilian fun far, the buyers are civilians from government ministries of defence.

See Dubai air show of jet fighters OVERFLOWING WITH CIVILAINS....Fool


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyHhAZDtJjQ
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AugustineAgain:


To advertise it for DENEL as usual, like this marketing promo....
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Again!!! Why would Denel market its missiles at a consumer exhibition.

This is the Rand show:
Now tell me!!!, does this look like an exhibition were foreign militaries will come to by weapons?

AugustineAgain:


So that people like us in far away America can see it on internet.

All standard military shows are civilian fun far, the buyers are civilians from government ministries of defence.

See Dubai air show of jet fighters OVERFLOWING WITH CIVILAINS....Fool


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyHhAZDtJjQ
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"All standard military shows are civilian fun far"

The Rand show isnt even remotely close to a military show, do you even know what the word CONSUMER means?

AugustineAgain:


So that people like us in far away America can see it on internet.

All standard military shows are civilian fun far, the buyers are civilians from government ministries of defence.

See Dubai air show of jet fighters OVERFLOWING WITH CIVILAINS....Fool


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyHhAZDtJjQ
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Hey jackass.

The Rand show is not an arms expo, not an airshow. Its a civilian festival.

Get it into your head.

AugustineAgain:


SADF had only 4,000 soldiers on Angolan battlefront. South Africa did not and does NOT have any 200,000 man army from 1970s till today, or you making Xerox photo-copies of human being ?
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You're confused.

South African forces operated in Angola for like 20+ years, SA troops in Namibia were rotated.

20 SA brigade which fought in 87-88 had less than 3900 men.

Patchesagain:


Augustus

The Gripen will detect the F-7 from 120km out - it will be ready long before the F-7 even knows there are other Jets around.

The Gripen will start evasive maneuvers as soon as it detects missile launch from the F-7 - turning away from it and deploying Chaff and EW to jam it.

At 120 km away, the Gripen 20 km missile is TOTALLY useless.

At 50 km away, F-7 detects the Gripen, if the Gripen has managed (Hard to do, both jets are coming face to face from opposite front lines, unless the SAAF base is stupiidly imagined to be built inside Nigerian land) to it's back to approach from behind, the F-7 simply banks, simply turns and becomes face to face with the Gripen in few seconds.....the simplest aircraft maneuver in the world I could say

You are just posting crap, you know NOTHING about air to air dogfight. Go sit down men !

You guys are not even ashamed, 5 Southies Vs 1 Naija....are you so dull you need 5 Soweto heads to challenge 1 Lagos head ?

CASE CLOSED
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AugustineAgain:


So that people like us in far away America can see it on internet.

All standard military shows are civilian fun far, the buyers are civilians from government ministries of defence.

See Dubai air show of jet fighters OVERFLOWING WITH CIVILAINS....Fool


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyHhAZDtJjQ
.

Agaugau, the RAND SHOW is not the platform to advertise weapons. The SANDF attended this year rand show to exhibit their arsenal to civilians including the simulation of warfare tactics.

AugustineAgain:


At 120 km away, the Gripen 20 km missile is TOTALLY useless.

At 50 km away, F-7 detects the Gripen, if the Gripen has turned to it's back to approach from behind, the F-7 simply banks, simply turns and becomes face to face with the Gripen in few seconds.....the simplest aircraft maneuver in the world I could say

Your just posting crap, you know NOTHING about air to air dogfight. Go sit down men !

CASE CLOSED
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How is the F-7 going to detect the Gripen?

AugustineAgain:


You know I am always one step ahead of you in this game, yes 18 seconds to travel from F-7 to Gripen, but about half of that time to kill the Gripen.....first 9 seconds of PL-9C flight is not deadly, it's the time wasted to suck the target into the NO ESCAPE ZONE of air to air dogfight.

After the first 9 seconds, the PL-9C has closed in on the Gripen to trap the target inside the technical NO ESCAPE ZONE.....KILL ZONE !

9 seconds, that is why I said about 10 seconds. I know what I am saying, this is real combat not internet copy and paste from a website.

In that zone, even your flares and chaff will find it very difficult to save you because you are head to head with the PL-9C and your own jet speed is used against you as you are actually running straight into collision course with the PL-9C.

In that zone, if by miracle (Which will not happen anyway) you fire A-Darter to intercept the PL-9C, the two missiles will collide and explode about 5 seconds distance from the Gripen and the explosion plus fire ball splinters will hit the Gripen and blow it up or k.ill the pilot through the cockpit glass !

So, the other case is if the PL-9C pilot manuevers his missile to evade the coming A-Darter after the first 9 seconds, the IRIS-T will follow the lock-on and pursue the PL-9C from behind, then suddenly both missiles are now heading to hit the Gripen during the last 9 seconds in the NO ESCAPE KILL ZONE....your Gripen jet pilot will be hit by two missiles in quick succession and double explosion will tear the Gripen into blinking bits and pieces you will never see the pilot's dead body for ever.

SAAF will bury an empty coffin with the flag of the Repuiblic of South Africa covering it, no corpse inside.

That is war in reality, that is how jet fighters fight, you won't find that to copy and paste from internet.

A Nigerian pilot will always think one step ahead of a South African pilot. 9 or 10 seconds to death in the NO ESCAPE KILL ZONE.

GAME OVER !
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And this gentlemen is what we are dealing with. Completely clueless and desperate. You again have made this all up. Im sure you dont even understand what you just typed

Completely demolished and now desperate. This is so embarrassingly sad .

This is the part i like the most...

"So, the other case is if the PL-9C pilot manuevers his missile to evade the coming A-Darter after the first 9 seconds, the IRIS-T will follow the lock-on and pursue the PL-9C from behind, then suddenly both missiles are now heading to hit the Gripen during the last 9 seconds in the NO ESCAPE KILL ZONE....your Gripen jet pilot will be hit by two missiles in quick succession and double explosion will tear the Gripen into blinking bits and pieces you will never see the pilot's dead body for ever."

Not only has he added the ability of PL-9 to dodge defensive missiles while still tracking the target, he has also added a world 1st ability for the F-7 pilot to manually make the PL-9 dodge defensive missiles from inside the cockpit.

Wow...this is so sad.

AugustineAgain:


At 120 km away, the Gripen 20 km missile is TOTALLY useless.

At 50 km away, F-7 detects the Gripen, if the Gripen has turned to it's back to approach from behind, the F-7 simply banks, simply turns and becomes face to face with the Gripen in few seconds.....the simplest aircraft maneuver in the world I could say

Your just posting crap, you know NOTHING about air to air dogfight. Go sit down men !

CASE CLOSED
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At 120km Gripen can start maneuvers to shorten your F-7's detection range

Your F-7's radar points forwards not sidways and backwards.

Gripen drops low and uses radar clutter to lesson the chance of detection

Gripen approaches from the side outside of the F-7's radar cone

Gripen fires missile with its targeting radar turned off - targetting data is fed to it by LinkZA from Gripen sitting outside of F-7 missile range. This prevents your F-7 pilots receiving targeting warning (but i doubt F-7 even has those capabilities)

The first time your pilot realizes there is even a Gripen there is when an A-darter turns him into pink mist

This fukken fool things Aircraft have a perfect 360 degree bubble of radar?

Hahaha - joker, this joker wants us to beleive he is a military analyst!!

AugustineAgain:


At 120 km away, the Gripen 20 km missile is TOTALLY useless.

At 50 km away, F-7 detects the Gripen, if the Gripen has turned to it's back to approach from behind, the F-7 simply banks, simply turns and becomes face to face with the Gripen in few seconds.....the simplest aircraft maneuver in the world I could say

Your just posting crap, you know NOTHING about air to air dogfight. Go sit down men !

CASE CLOSED
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AT 50KM THE F7 WILL STILL NOT BE ABLE TO DETECT THE GRIPEN. THE F 7 HAS A VERY POOR DETECTION RADAR. THE GRIPEN WILL DETECT IT FROM 120 KM AWAY AND FROM THERE IT WILL PLAN ITS ATTACK FROM THE WEAKEST LINK OF F7 JET. EVEN THOUGH THE GRIPEN WAS NOT BUILT AS A STEALTH FIGHTER, IT ENCOMPASSES ALL THE FEATURES OF A STEALTH FIGHTER BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT AT THE TIME WHEN THE FIRST STEALTH FIGHTERS ENTERED SERVICE AND LUCKILY IT INCORPORATED ALL STEALTH FIGHTERS FEATURES.

THE F7 WILL NOT STAND A CHANCE AGAINST THE GRIPEN, I BET WITH MY LIFE.



At the time of its inception, the JAS 39
Gripen was the most advanced fighter anywhere in
the world since supplanted by the "5th Generation"
Lockheed F-22 Raptor and similar types. While not
a "stealth" fighter per se, engineers ensured the
Gripen delivered a reduced radar signature due to
its inherent design and construction features when
compared to similar aircraft types.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=67

Patchesagain:


At 120km Gripen can start maneuvers to shorten your F-7's detection range

Your F-7's radar points forwards not sidways and backwards.

Gripen drops low and uses radar clutter to lesson the chance of detection

Gripen approaches from the side outside of the F-7's radar cone

The first time your pilot realizes there is even a Gripen there is when an A-darter turns him into pink mist

This fukken fool things Aircraft have a perfect 360 degree bubble of radar?

Hahaha - joker, this joker wants us to beleive he is a military analyst!!

Nope, you are the fool, as I see your photo illustration of an ancient propeller aircraft of 1940 vintage.

i post photo of jet of year 2000 milleniuem, you reply with 1940 old school photo. You dey craaaaze ?

Jet radars has detection for upper hemisphere, lower hemisphere, and rear behind the jet.

Thats how jets detect enemy above, target on ground, and enemy behind. F-7 has a circa year 2005 modern generation Italian- Grifo radar.

Example :

"Phazotron N001 Zhuk coherent pulse Doppler radar with track-while-scan and look-down / shoot-down capability.
The range of the radar against 3m² targets is over 100km in the forward hemisphere and 40km in the rear hemisphere. The radar has the capacity to search, detect and track up to ten targets with automatic threat assessment and prioritisation."

As I said, it is almost impossible for Gripen at 120 km away to be behind the F-7, when the Gripen and F-7 are coming face to face from two opposite directions of each person's war zone frontline, except you are stupiid enough to think South Africa built it's air force base inside Nigerian territory so your jets take off from behind NAF air base and approach F-7 from behind.

Foolish daydreamer
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AugustineAgain:


Nope, you are the fool.

Jet radars has detection for upper hemisphere, lower hemisphere, and rear behind the jet.

Thats how jets detect enemy above, target on ground, and enemy behind. F-7 has a circa year 2005 modern generation Italian- Grifo radar.

Example :

"Phazotron N001 Zhuk coherent pulse Doppler radar with track-while-scan and look-down / shoot-down capability.
The range of the radar against 3m² targets is over 100km in the forward hemisphere and 40km in the rear hemisphere. The radar has the capacity to search, detect and track up to ten targets with automatic threat assessment and prioritisation."

As I said, it is almost impossible for Gripen at 120 km away to be behind the F-7, when the Gripen and F-7 are coming face to face from two opposite directions of each person's war zone frontline, except you are stupiid enough to think South Africa built it's air force base inside Nigerian territory so your jets take off from behind NAF air base and approach F-7 from behind.

Foolish daydreamer
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The picture illistrates my point perfectly - it shows you radar cone and it shows you the difference between a scanning cone and a tracking cone.

Who said behind?

I said from the side - where you have no coverage

Clown

saengine:


And this gentlemen is what we are dealing with. Completely clueless and desperate. You again have made this all up. Im sure you dont even understand what you just typed

Completely demolished and now desperate. This is so embarrassingly sad .

Be humble and grateful, I just taught you air war lesson number 101....air to air combat NO ESCAPE ZONE.....KILL ZONE.

Say thank you to Nigeria....kneel down and say it....now !


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AugustineAgain:


Be humble and grateful, I just taught you air war lesson number 101....air to air combat NO ESCAPE ZONE.....KILL ZONE.

Say thank you to Nigeria....kneel down and say it....now !


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I just showed you how Gripen will wipe out all 9 of your F-7's before they know they are there.

AugustineAgain:


Be humble and grateful, I just taught you air war lesson number 101....air to air combat NO ESCAPE ZONE.....KILL ZONE.

Say thank you to Nigeria....kneel down and say it....now !


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You havent got the slightest clue of what you just typed. No clue at all