AugustineAgain:


Nope, you are the fool, as I see your photo illustration of an ancient propeller aircraft of 1940 vintage.

i post photo of jet of year 2000 milleniuem, you reply with 1940 old school photo. You dey craaaaze ?

Jet radars has detection for upper hemisphere, lower hemisphere, and rear behind the jet.

Thats how jets detect enemy above, target on ground, and enemy behind. F-7 has a circa year 2005 modern generation Italian- Grifo radar.

Example :

"Phazotron N001 Zhuk coherent pulse Doppler radar with track-while-scan and look-down / shoot-down capability.
The range of the radar against 3m² targets is over 100km in the forward hemisphere and 40km in the rear hemisphere. The radar has the capacity to search, detect and track up to ten targets with automatic threat assessment and prioritisation."

As I said, it is almost impossible for Gripen at 120 km away to be behind the F-7, when the Gripen and F-7 are coming face to face from two opposite directions of each person's war zone frontline, except you are stupiid enough to think South Africa built it's air force base inside Nigerian territory so your jets take off from behind NAF air base and approach F-7 from behind.

Foolish daydreamer
.

F7 WILL NEVER DEFEAT GRIPEN, THAT WILL ONLY EXIST IN YOUR CLUELESS PEA-SIZED BRAIN.

Patchesagain:


Who said behind?


I said from the side - where you have no coverage

Clown

Radar power is just waves, it travels sideways, the waves are divergent NOT convergent.

There is no way in this world that two aircraft coming from opposite directions will not meet before one can get behind or beside the other.

Simple common sense you don't have, now put two stones on opposite ends of a straight line, start moving them close to each other, at a point they must meet before one goes off the straight line to the back of the other.

50 km range of F-7 radar waves are divergent, not convergent, it will see the Gripen even if you turn sideways at 50 km away.

Side by side ? At 50 km away the F-7 knows the Gripen is coming ahead, if you turn to the side, he too will turn to that side, he is a combat pilot NOT a fisherman like MR.Day in South African sea waters.

I am tired of talking with a man who does not know that waves diverge from a point as they emit outwards, you are a pure breed domingo
.

Msauza:



F7 WILL NEVER DEFEAT GRIPEN, THAT WILL ONLY EXIST IN YOUR CLUELESS PEA-SIZED BRAIN.

Insults don't win a war

AugustineAgain:



After the first 9 seconds, the PL-9C has closed in on the Gripen to trap the target inside the technical NO ESCAPE ZONE.....KILL ZONE !

9 seconds, that is why I said about 10 seconds. I know what I am saying, this is real combat not internet copy and paste from a website.

In that zone, even your flares and chaff will find it very difficult to save you because you are head to head with the PL-9C and your own jet speed is used against you as you are actually running straight into collision course with the PL-9C.

In that zone, if by miracle (Which will not happen anyway) you fire A-Darter to intercept the PL-9C, the two missiles will collide and explode about 5 seconds distance from the Gripen and the explosion plus fire ball splinters will hit the Gripen and blow it up or k.ill the pilot through the cockpit glass !
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-why would the Gripen pilot fly straight towards an incoming missile for a full 9 seconds after launch detection? He's busy chatting on whatsapp, and got distracted? He would make a sharp bank away from the threat. Massive Fail

- A Darter can be fired at threats directly behind Gripen. Im sure you didnt know that. Pilot has banked away from missile threat and fired A-Darter in defence. Your PL-9 cannot dodge defensive missiles. You cannot just make something up and pretend its true. Your PL-9 3rd generation IR seeker head is designed to trace the heat signature of the target aircraft, and AT BEST IGNORE other infrared heat signature it believes are decoys. Ignore, not dodge. At the very best your missile will pick up incoming A-Darter heat signature, register it as a decoy, and keep flying towards its original lock on heat signature...the Gripen. It has no ability to process the fact the A-Darter is intent on destroying it, or even dodging it at that. Your second massive fail.


- Listen to this piece of sh*t made up comment. This is a very special piece of sh*t you made up.

The missiles will explode "about 5 seconds" away from Gripen. With the fire ball/explosion blowing up the Gripen or killing the pilot.


I know you were educated under a tree, so let me make it very basic. You say the 2 missiles will collide and explode "5 seconds away" from Gripen.


Your basic lesson for the night.

*Assume Gripen is stationary/not moving/stuck in the air. Stationary target 20km away from F-7 jet.

*From 20km away you fire a PL-9 missile. It flies straight towards the stationary Gripen.

*STATIONARY Gripen fires an A-Darter in self defense. According to you they collide and explode with just 5 seconds of the PL-9's flight time left. Meaning the PL-9 flew for 13 seconds (of the 18 seconds needed to hit the stationary Gripen)

*Now. Remember I keep saying this is a stationary Gripen. It hasnt even tried to bank away and evade the PL-9 missile.. Basic question....how much further did your PL-9 missile need to travel in order to hit the Gripen?

Okay...you say it travels at 4000km/h = 1111m/s
In the first 13 seconds of un-interupted flight, your missile travelled 1111m/s × 13 = 14 443 meters (14.4km)

Meaning...PL-9 missile was 5.6km away from hitting Gripen before A-Darter blew it up. But remember YOU said this same explosion will blow up/damage Gripen in its fireball and shrapnel....im starting to laugh already


11.8kg PL-9 WARHEAD + A-DARTER WARHEAD WILL COMBINE TO FORM A SPHERICAL EXPLOSION OF DIAMETER 11.2 kilometers!!!! HAHAHAHA!!
WHAT A RE.TARD . NUCLEAR TIPPED AIR-AIR MISSILES . MILITARY RESEARCHER? WHEW



You see how its obvious to everyone you just make sh*t up without thinking? DEMOLISHED

Patchesagain:

The picture illistrates my point perfectly - it shows you radar cone and it shows you the difference between a scanning cone and a tracking cone.

Who said behind?

Clown

You said behind some minutes ago.

i just educated you about rear hemisphere radar detection. You are lost behind time and technology.

Be humble enough to say thank you Nigeria, for teaching science to South Africans in our schools and also on internet

Gratitude is a virtue, be grateful
.

AugustineAgain:

Insults don't win a war

I DOUBT EVEN THAT YOUR 2ND GENERATION F7 DETECTION RADAR CAN EVEN DETECT AN AIRCRAFT WITH A REDUCED RCS.

AugustineAgain:


Radar power is just waves, it travels sideways, the waves are divergent NOT convergent.

There is no way in this world that two aircraft coming from opposite directions will not meet before one can get behind or beside the other.

Simple common sense you don't have, now put two stones on opposite ends of a straight line, start moving them close to each other, at a point they must meet before one goes off the straight line to the back of the other.

50 km range of F-7 radar waves are divergent, not convergent, it will see the Gripen even if you turn sideways at 50 km away.

Side by side ? At 50 km away the F-7 knows the Gripen is coming ahead, if you turn to the side, he too will turn to that side, he is a combat pilot NOT a fisherman like MR.Day in South African sea waters.

I am tired of talking with a man who does not know that waves diverge from a point as they emit outwards, you are a pure breed domingo
.

Gripen detects you at 120km - F-7 pilots dont even know enemy aircraft are around at that distance.

Squadron breaks, half cut height and push off to the sides, half turn around and lure you into the trap.

You know they dont HAVE to travel in straight lines and they dont HAVE to fly straight at you.

By the time you see the half baiting the trap the other half are well outside the cone of the F-7 radar on your flanks.


Gripen maneuvers are red line
F-7 are black line.

I kept it simple so you could understand

AugustineAgain:


You said behind some minutes ago.

i just educated you about rear hemisphere radar detection. You are lost behind time and technology.

Be humble enough to say thank you Nigeria, for teaching science to South Africans in our schools and also on internet

Gratitude is a virtue, be grateful
.

Problem is that no one is talking about rear detection.

Dont talk to us about science when you cannot even read english

This is How you make a South African panic.

South Africa has many attributes that make it a worthy representative of Africa on the world stage, but is set to lose its first place.
If Nigeria plays its cards right, it could become Africa’s only global superpower. It already has the continent’s biggest economy, a huge military budget and a fair record of regional engagement.


By 2040 it will also be the fourth largest country in the world after India, China and the United States.
New research by the Institute for Security Studies (ISS) shows that out of Africa’s “Big Five” powerful countries – Nigeria, South Africa, Egypt, Algeria and Ethiopia – Nigeria is “the African country with by far the greatest capabilities” to play a global role.


The choice of the Big Five is based on the demographic, economic and military size of these countries, as well as their historical role as regional leaders, Johannesburg-based newspaper, the Mail & Guardian, quoted the ISS as stating.


South Africa is the only African member of BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) and the G20, but it is not expected to grow in power and influence internationally and in Africa.


Dr. Jakkie Cilliers, executive director of the ISS and one of the co-authors of the REPORT, says South Africans sometimes have the misguided impression that the country is a big military power and plays a major role in peacekeeping in Africa.


Spending on defence has, however, been drastically reduced, as shown in the recent defence review. It contributes fewer peacekeepers to United Nations missions than Ethiopia, Egypt and Nigeria.


“In fact, Algeria is spending the most on its military, Ethiopia is the major peacekeeper on the continent and Egypt has the biggest diplomatic power,” says Cilliers.


South Africa’s economy is not projected to grow nearly as much as the rest of Africa.
Population growths are much higher elsewhere on the continent, particularly in Nigeria, where it is projected to grow from 170 million to 320 million by 2040.


“South Africans don’t appreciate the huge size of Nigeria’s economy,” says Cilliers. Nigeria’s gross domestic product (GDP) is projected to grow from $525 billion in 2014 to $4.2 trillion by 2040.


Added to South Africa’s woes are “legitimacy problems on the continent”.
“South Africa can be heavy-handed when it comes to diplomacy and there is a sense that South Africa speaks more than it listens in Africa,” says Cilliers.


The ISS concludes that of the Big Five, South Africa and Ethiopia are “punching above their weight”, while Nigeria and Algeria are “punching below” theirs.


Egypt is punching above its weight internationally – it has a very strong voice in the Middle East – but low in Africa.
The inclusion of Ethiopia in the Big Five is controversial because it is, according to the ISS, “an authoritarian and repressive state” and in 2014 had the 11th lowest GDP per capita in Africa.


However, it is growing fast and has become “a poster child for development in Africa”. It hosts the headquarters of the African Union and is the largest African contributor to UN peace missions.


Algeria is also not living up to its potential given that it has by far the biggest military in Africa.
Nigeria, hampered largely by domestic problems of governance and insecurity, is also under-performing. Nigeria’s military spending has, for example, increased dramatically, with an additional budget of $1 billion approved last year, but this has all been earmarked for the fight against Boko Haram.


Even as last weekend’s elections in Nigeria, dubbed the most important in its history, went off smoothly, it still doesn’t mean it has made the transition to a sophisticated and mature democracy, says Cilliers.

“Nigeria is the only power with the potential to be globally significant but it does not have a coherent foreign policy and its massive security and governance issues are detracting from this potential,” he says.
South Africa, on the other hand, has made this transition and has many attributes that make it a worthy representative of Africa on the world stage, says Cilliers.


But, if the status quo prevails, South Africa will lose its place in pole position.
Angola and Morocco are important players on the continent with huge economies, but Angola is a “purely resource-driven economy” with huge inequalities and lack of democracy, while Morocco is not a member of the AU.

AGAUGU IS A LUNATIC.

TLITLITLITLI…(laughing in Xhosa)

HE DOES NOT KNOW DETECTION RANGE PLAY A VERY VITAL ROLE IN A DOGFIGHT. A FIGHTER WITH A BETTER DETECTION RANGE WILL HAVE ALMOST ADVANTAGE OF EVERYTHING, PLANNING, STRATEGISING, TAKING A FIRST SHOT, ETC.

THE F7 HAS A POOR FCR AND CAN NEVER FIRE MISSILE AT 35KM, IT WILL HAVE TO COME AS CLOSE AS 20KM IN ORDER TO TAKE OUT THE TARGET.

IT WILL NOT HELP TO ARM F7 WITH BVR OR EVEN 35 KM AAM OTHER THAN THAT OF PAKISTAN WHICH HAS FCR OF 35KM RANGE.

THE AIRFORCE CHIEFS OF NAF ARE AS DULL AS AGAUGUST WHEN IT COMES TO THINKING.

Patchesagain:


Gripen detects you at 120km - F-7 pilots dont even know enemy aircraft are around at that distance.

Squadron breaks, half cut height and push off to the sides, half turn around and lure you into the trap.

You know they dont HAVE to travel in straight lines and they dont HAVE to fly straight at you.

By the time you see the half baiting the trap the other half are well outside the cone of the F-7 radar on your flanks.


Gripen maneuvers are red line
F-7 are black line.

I kept it simple so you could understand

I have lectured you so much, but your moronic head still thinks radar is like FLIR foward looking infra red.

Radar is not light beams, it is waves that blow out and expand from emission source.

No matter how you turn aside, the F-7 is facing the Gripen, your sideways turn still enters the divergent waves coverage of the F-7 Grifo radar and at 50 km away the F-7 detects the Gripen.

I have shown you scientific sources of the known radar detection in combat, front hemisphere, lower hemisphere, upper hemisphere, rear hemisphere. The ranges are specified, Dis you see anything like range for side hemisphere ? Fool !

"The forward-facing NIIP N011M Bars (Panther) is a powerful integrated passive electronically scanned array radar. The N011M can function in air-to-air and air-to-land/sea mode simultaneously while being tied into a high-precision laser-inertial or GPS navigation system. It is equipped with a modern digital weapons control system as well as anti-jamming features. N011M has a 400 km search range and a maximum 200 km tracking range, and 60 km in the rear hemisphere.The radar can detect ground targets such as tanks at 40–50 km. The Bars radar will be replaced by Zhuk-AESA in all Su-30MKI aircraft."

No matter how you turn aside, the F-7 is facing the Gripen, your sideways turn still enters the divergent waves coverage of the F-7 Grifo radar and at 50 km away the F-7 detects the Gripen.


Stop adding the non-existent side hemisphere as radar has become an FLIR.

You live in a psycho world of imaginary day dreams different from how air combat and jets operate

Abeg am done with this foolish argument.

I sh.ot down your Gripen, you were b.uried, you want to open coffin and come out, abeg go back to your g.rave, stop wasting my time
.

saengine:


And this gentlemen is what we are dealing with. Completely clueless and desperate. You again have made this all up. Im sure you dont even understand what you just typed

Completely demolished and now desperate. This is so embarrassingly sad .

This is the part i like the most...

"So, the other case is if the PL-9C pilot manuevers his missile to evade the coming A-Darter after the first 9 seconds, the IRIS-T will follow the lock-on and pursue the PL-9C from behind, then suddenly both missiles are now heading to hit the Gripen during the last 9 seconds in the NO ESCAPE KILL ZONE....your Gripen jet pilot will be hit by two missiles in quick succession and double explosion will tear the Gripen into blinking bits and pieces you will never see the pilot's dead body for ever."

Not only has he added the ability of PL-9 to dodge defensive missiles while still tracking the target, he has also added a world 1st ability for the F-7 pilot to manually make the PL-9 dodge defensive missiles from inside the cockpit.

Wow...this is so sad.

That one is a sad case mate!

How is he going to deal with the pending order for anti-air radar guided missiles.

AugustineAgain:


I have lectured you so much, but your moronic head still thinks radar is like FLIR foward looking infra red.

Radar is not light beams, it is waves that blow out and expand from emission source.

No matter how you turn aside, the F-7 is facing the Gripen, your sideways turn still enters the divergent waves coverage of the F-7 Grifo radar and at 50 km away the F-7 detects the Gripen.

I have shown you scientific sources of the known radar detection in combat, front hemisphere, lower hemisphere, upper hemisphere, rear hemisphere. The ranges are specified, Dis you see anything like range for side hemisphere ? Fool !

"The forward-facing NIIP N011M Bars (Panther) is a powerful integrated passive electronically scanned array radar. The N011M can function in air-to-air and air-to-land/sea mode simultaneously while being tied into a high-precision laser-inertial or GPS navigation system. It is equipped with a modern digital weapons control system as well as anti-jamming features. N011M has a 400 km search range and a maximum 200 km tracking range, and 60 km in the rear hemisphere.The radar can detect ground targets such as tanks at 40–50 km. The Bars radar will be replaced by Zhuk-AESA in all Su-30MKI aircraft."

No matter how you turn aside, the F-7 is facing the Gripen, your sideways turn still enters the divergent waves coverage of the F-7 Grifo radar and at 50 km away the F-7 detects the Gripen.


Stop adding the non-existent side hemisphere as radar has become an FLIR.

You live in a psycho world of imaginary day dreams different from how air combat and jets operate

Abeg am done with this foolish argument.

I sh.ot down your Gripen, you were b.uried, you want to open coffin and come out, abeg go back to your g.rave, stop wasting my time
.

FIAR Grifo-7 mk.II radar is the weakest avionics in the world.


What I like the most is that Nigerian pilots are right and stable upstairs and will not even waste their precious time to listen to your illusion about your phantom victory of F7 over gripen. They are not going to think for a second to challenge gripens with the "FLYING COFFINS" never will they do that.

AugustineAgain:


Be humble and grateful, I just taught you air war lesson number 101....air to air combat NO ESCAPE ZONE.....KILL ZONE.

Say thank you to Nigeria....kneel down and say it....now !


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3rd Generation missile the PL-9C is.

The F-7Ni must have the target in front of it.

Msauza:


[citation needed]

scroll back 7 to 8 pages a rollback and multiple sources await you.

andrewza:


Proof for anything you said?

don't be lazy now. You are 8 pages away from your source.

jln115:

HAHAHAHAHAHA dont bull sh.t yourself, everybody knows you dont have evidence of 2000 CIA mercenaries that fought in SA, in fact no one those because its not true!

who gave you those numbers?

lezz:
who gave you those numbers?

You did!

Patchesagain:


You have the best minds?

Nigerian Nobel Prizes: 1
South African: 11

You are actually re-emphasising Agaugust's argument and the valid point made! Show us the the number of black South African intellectual Nobel winners (I'm not talking of the Peace Prize category).

NaijaPikinGidi:


You are actually re-emphasising the Agaugust's argument and valid point made! Show us the the number of black South African intellectual Nobel winners (I'm not talking of the Peace Prize category).

Why must they be black?

andrewza:


I am asking where 2000 CIA mercs where killed. We all know the CIA was in Angola. They gave UNITA Stingers but refuesed to give us since we would reverse engineering them. Probably why we kept our captured SAM systems.

circles of denial do not change facts.

I never gave a figure of CIA mercenaries that came to help you but they were there on your behalf and even dropping air supplies from American base in Zaire.

jln115:

You did!

I'm done doing petty arguments with you folks. Hence forth I shall be giving the audience piece by piece excerpts of that war. How south Africa is officially a lying country with no truth whatsoever. And you SA folks here are just as pathetic as your lying disgraced army. Enjoy the read:




[b]29 February 1988 Fifth Attack
Again when the SA attacked the Angolans suffered some losses, as every time exaggerated to 800 dead and 7 tanks destroyed.
And as ever the enemy attack was rejected, but this time for the first time, the radio stations intercepted an official military SA report that admitted 20 dead and 59 wounded only in the battle of the day.
It was now evident and infamous how the Apartheid regime informed only the more rich and prestigious families about the dead of their sons. Many South African parents, that had not many links with the dictatorship, received no information and in some case also threats, imposing silence.
The 17 March, Ernesto Chavez on his MiG-23 is shot down and killed by a South African anti-aircraft weapon, a Ystervark of 20mm. It was the only victory of the South African anti-aircraft defence.
The 19 March during a lone Recce mission the Mirage of Willie Van Coppenhagen crashed and the pilot was killed. The enemy didn’t know the cause and supposed an accident, but at real it was shot down by Angolans.
[/b]

lezz:
circles of denial do not change facts.

I never gave a figure of CIA mercenaries that came to help you but they were there on your behalf and even dropping air supplies from American base in Zaire.

lezz:
you lost with over 11,000 troops,CIA mercenaries and with logical and equipment support from American base in Zaire.
When the Angolans swept away your war planes and dominated the skies, the sandf resorted to stealing cattles for survival.

lezz:
Ah, relax patchesagain, my blush-radar is sensing your heat and blushes across this platform.

First off, the sandf had its nearest base in Namibia which it has been occupying illegally for some time. The fact that your president flew there to give a last minute moral booster for a demoralised troop is something to keep your hands full.

Your rage occasioned by the revelation of truth has knocked you onto a path of blinded banter.

You didn't deny the fact that southafrica officially attempted to rewrite her war history, no?

SANDF dabacle in Angola guaranteed the independence of Namibia, no?

That you lost that more with over 9,000 troops more than 500 tanks, aircrafts and more, no?

I didn't expect you to own up, son. There wouldn't have been this thread if you can.

Easy math: you said we lost 11000 troops and CIA mercenaries in the first post i quoted.
Then you said we lost 9000 troops in the second post i quoted.
Thus 11000=SADF+Mercenaries and 9000=SADF
Thus 11000-9000=2000 CIA Mercenaries killed!

lezz:
I'm done doing petty arguments with you folks. Hence forth I shall be giving the audience piece by piece excerpts of that war. How south Africa is officially a lying country with no truth whatsoever. And you SA folks here are just as pathetic as your lying disgraced army. Enjoy the read:




[b]29 February 1988 Fifth Attack
Again when the SA attacked the Angolans suffered some losses, as every time exaggerated to 800 dead and 7 tanks destroyed.
And as ever the enemy attack was rejected, but this time for the first time, the radio stations intercepted an official military SA report that admitted 20 dead and 59 wounded only in the battle of the day.
It was now evident and infamous how the Apartheid regime informed only the more rich and prestigious families about the dead of their sons. Many South African parents, that had not many links with the dictatorship, received no information and in some case also threats, imposing silence.
The 17 March, Ernesto Chavez on his MiG-23 is shot down and killed by a South African anti-aircraft weapon, a Ystervark of 20mm. It was the only victory of the South African anti-aircraft defence.
The 19 March during a lone Recce mission the Mirage of Willie Van Coppenhagen crashed and the pilot was killed. The enemy didn’t know the cause and supposed an accident, but at real it was shot down by Angolans.
[/b]

HAHAHAHA and you expect me to believe this kak!

overhypedsteve:
This is How you make a South African panic.

This is pure murder for the south Africans. "Punching above their weights". Exactly what this guys are doing here.

jln115:

HAHAHAHA and you expect me to believe this kak!

ebwuwleke pakakwqyuitah. I hope I conveyed my amusement well in Bantu?
I told you your military war history is written in falsehood and lies. I'm giving you the making of your Hollywood war movies.


I shall bring more excerpts for you.

jln115:







Easy math: you said we lost 11000 troops and CIA mercenaries in the first post i quoted.
Then you said we lost 9000 troops in the second post i quoted.
Thus 11000=SADF+Mercenaries and 9000=SADF
Thus 11000-9000=2000 CIA Mercenaries killed!

you are strange my boy, very strange. HERE IS A MUST-READ FOR ALL PARTICIPANT.




[b]23 March 1988 Sixth Attack
The last enemy attack, a disaster known between the South African as the Disaster of Tumpo
Again the UNITA assaults were only a carnage, while also the SA attack was very inefficient. Their propaganda claimed only one tank destroyed, while admitted that 2 tanks were almost destroyed and other 3 officially lost, because captured intact by our forces.
The capturing of intact Oliphant tanks was an interesting things, but the Cuban officers noted that despite some high technology, they were to slow and clumsy to be successful in the Cuito’s ground.
However at least 1 tank was moved to the Soviet Union to be studied.
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The outcome of the battle was considered one of the main point of the War.
Despite their efforts the enemy didn’t occupied the city, and even if later they claimed that it wasn’t their intentions, the failure of the repeated attacks was an incredible results.
The so-called superior western technology proved to be ineffective against the fighting spirit of the fighters.
Thermal Viewers and advanced systems of an heavy and almost immersed in the mud vehicle against brave African warriors that attacked them with everything they had.
The use of the Air Force stopped every successful action of the enemy, while the use of anti-aircraft weapons, that could fire an incredible amount of bullets in some seconds killed dozens of enemy at the time.
With this failure, and without the support of the United States, the South African regime had to grant everything. Their retreat from Angola and also from Namibia, and the end of their help to the terrorist counter-revolutionaries of the UNITA.
Their defeat was accompanied by rallies of ANC and other groups, as the South African Communist Party. Coloured and white people together to defeat the Racist regime.
A cruel regime, very linked with Israel, that murdered thousands of people during the years of power.
At Cuito 900 Africans were killed, among Angolans, Namibian and South African freedom fighters, and the Cubans lost 39 men. There was the material lost of 6 tanks and 4 MiG.
Probably also some half-buried tanks manned by the Angolans and used as artillery were destroyed, but surely not 24 as the South African claim, that was probably a biggest number then the real total number.
Obviously they claim 4785 Cuban and African human losses, but that’s quiet interesting, how they claim a so defined number.. 4785, not 4800 or 4600. Expressing a precise number without an ending 0 number is a typical use to make seem a fantasy claim as something of serious and scientific. A propaganda tactic used also by other countries in the past.
The UNITA losses were terrible. More then 6000 bandits were killed during the crazy human wave assaults. The SA racists used them as cannon fodder, without mercy and without caring of their allied.
At first the South Africans admitted only 31 dead, together 3000 admitted UNITA losses, and interesting to know it was the biggest number of admitted casualties during a battle.
But then they increased the count, adding other 12 soldiers of the SWATF, South African of the Occupation force in Namibia, reaching so the number of 43 killed.
A recent South African Government research, searched and counted all the families that had sons in the army, and never saw again their boys. Disappeared, missed..
Victim of their own regime, that covered the truth at people.
According to this research 715 South African were killed or disappeared around Cuito during the period of the battle.
About the material losses the enemy admitted 3 tanks, the ones captured during the last attack, and 11 armoured vehicles as lost.
That count don’t considered the hit, damaged or destroyed vehicles that the South African army succeeded to tow away from the front line.
They claimed to have repaired part of them, but at real many of them weren’t repairable and were used as spare parts or simply destroyed.
Their losses were of 24 tanks and 21 armoured vehicles, including the admitted ones.
They lost 7 aircrafts plus 7 other little Recce drones without pilots.
Also the artillery suffered great losses, some of them during the retreat were hit by the MiG-23 raids, other were abandoned on the battle field. Overall they lost 24 G-5 guns and 6 G-6 guns[/b]

@jln115 I'm not happy when you don't quote me, when you turn silent and break the flow of spontaneous response.

Take some more excerpts. Don't forget to share the good news with your fellow compatriots.




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4 May First Ambush
The first operation started when a group formed by 60 Cubans and 21 Angolans attacked the Second Company of the 101 Battalion of the SWATF. Cuban sources claim that the Angolans were all members of the Special Forces and that actually Namibians (and not Angolans) took part at the ambush with their experienced members of the explorative battalion “Tiger”.
The enemy suffered a total surprise and escaped under the fire with poor resistance, after losing 30 dead and one soldier captured, 5 Casspir vehicles were destroyed and 1 captured intact. The remains of the column were again hit and destroyed by a MiG-23 that exterminated them on the way for Lubango.
Obviously the enemy propaganda admitted only 7 dead, claiming to have killed half hundred Cubans.
It was also a Political move, to claim the only Cuban presence during this offensive

lezz:
ebwuwleke pakakwqyuitah. I hope I conveyed my amusement well in Bantu?
I told you your military war history is written in falsehood and lies. I'm giving you the making of your Hollywood war movies.


I shall bring more excerpts for you.

Bring maar jou uittreksels bra! Dis so vals that dit entilik nogal fokken snaaks is! Hope i conveyed my amusement well in Afrikaans.


"I told you your military war history is written in falsehood and lies"
So our history is written in falsehood and lies, BUT Cubas history is 100% correct and accurate, especially regarding the Border war.

Cool story bro!!

lezz:
@jln115 I'm not happy when you don't quote me, when you turn silent and break the flow of spontaneous response.

Take some more excerpts. Don't forget to share the good news with your fellow compatriots.




---------------------------------
4 May First Ambush
The first operation started when a group formed by 60 Cubans and 21 Angolans attacked the Second Company of the 101 Battalion of the SWATF. Cuban sources claim that the Angolans were all members of the Special Forces and that actually Namibians (and not Angolans) took part at the ambush with their experienced members of the explorative battalion “Tiger”.
The enemy suffered a total surprise and escaped under the fire with poor resistance, after losing 30 dead and one soldier captured, 5 Casspir vehicles were destroyed and 1 captured intact. The remains of the column were again hit and destroyed by a MiG-23 that exterminated them on the way for Lubango.
Obviously the enemy propaganda admitted only 7 dead, claiming to have killed half hundred Cubans.
It was also a Political move, to claim the only Cuban presence during this offensive

@Lezz Im actually extremely jealous of South Africa, thus i post blatant lies about South Africa to make myself feel better for being Nigerian.I do this because i know no other means of dealing with my emotions and insecurities.I am in desperate need of psychiatric help!!\

And btw you can keep posting your excerpts, they are so false that its actually funny to read!

jln115:

Bring maar jou uittreksels bra! Dis so vals that dit entilik nogal fokken snaaks is! Hope i conveyed my amusement well in Afrikaans.


"I told you your military war history is written in falsehood and lies"
So our history is written in falsehood and lies, BUT Cubas history is 100% correct and accurate, especially regarding the Border war.

Cool story bro!!

lol It's. A 100% more honest, believable and pious than yours.
And your government then had a motive for lying; the government was near pariah state with opposition and civil disturbances. The war was actually to encourage the apathied regime. Any real report of the TRUE situation on the battle ground would have been a disaster for the government.

jln115:

@Lezz Im actually extremely jealous of South Africa, thus i post blatant lies about South Africa to make myself feel better for being Nigerian.I do this because i know no other means of dealing with my emotions and insecurities.I am in desperate need of psychiatric help!!\

And btw you can keep your excerpts, they are so false that its actually funny to read!

lol I know you couldn't take it, you are too soft and weak to face truth.

I have plenty of those excerpts left for you.
But I'm going to allow you room for a little recovery then I'll come hit you with some again.

Oh......and how on earth will a Nigerian envy a south African?