By mentioning HEAVEN,what comes into the modern day christian mind is some spiritual realm beyond the clouds. But is this the bibles view about heaven? Take a look at this
Luke 19:11 says And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God(heaven) should immediately appear.
this shows that people had a wrong view about heaven in those days.
The same thing is applied to this modern day christians.
They fantasized of heaven or some realm beyond the clouds meanwhile, heaven is right inside them.
the implication of this is, they will take a lot of things on earth forgranted and wil never work hard and fight for their right

Go outside and look up, behold that's heaven.

paxonel:
By mentioning HEAVEN,what comes into the modern day christian mind is some spiritual realm beyond the clouds. But is this the bibles view about heaven? Take a look at this
Luke 19:11 says And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God(heaven) should immediately appear.
this shows that people had a wrong view about heaven in those days.
The same thing is applied to this modern day christians.
They fantasized of heaven or some realm beyond the clouds meanwhile, heaven is right inside them.
the implication of this is, they will take a lot of things on earth forgranted and wil never work hard and fight for their right

so, how is heaven inside us?
if this is true, why is there suffering. Heaven is above, we are going there. God shall wipe away our tears, there will be no suffering, that's what the bible says

flexybobo:

so, how is heaven inside us?
if this is true, why is there suffering. Heaven is above, we are going there. God shall wipe away our tears, there will be no suffering, that's what the bible says

Jesus has already wiped your tears you don't know, you are looking at suffering?

AKMoney1:
Go outside and look up, behold that's heaven.

abi
lol

@OP, you are on point, But there is heavenly heaven where will go

denisbid:
@OP, you are on point, But there is heavenly heaven where will go

No heavenly heaven but the kingdom of heaven on earth, which is Christianity.
the kingdom of God will never end
Christianity will never end, it will last forever and ever.
Christianity is on earth.
that implies that this earth will last forever and ever,
No end

paxonel:

No heavenly heaven but the kingdom of heaven on earth, which is Christianity.
the kingdom of God will never end
Christianity will never end, it will last forever and ever.
Christianity is on earth.
that implies that this earth will last forever and ever,
No end

impossible!
why then do Messages are saying repent for the kingdom of God is at hand?
and rapture is coming?

denisbid:

impossible!
why then do Messages are saying repent for the kingdom of God is at hand?
and rapture is coming?

do you want to repent because the kingdom of God is at hand or you want to repent because repentance is good on it's own?
please the kingdom of God is not at hand anymore, the kingdom of God is now

denisbid:

impossible!
why then do Messages are saying repent for the kingdom of God is at hand?
and rapture is coming?

the kingdom of heaven used to be at hand at the period Christ was about to be crucified,
it is not at hand anymore because Jesus has been crucified and he is resurrected

paxonel:

do you want to repent because the kingdom of God is at hand or you want to repent because repentance is good on it's own?
please the kingdom of God is not at hand anymore, the kingdom of God is now

it's just that, it appear as if nothing has happened.

Heaven is a planet in the celestial

twosquare:
Heaven is a planet in the celestial

you be cele?
lol

denisbid:

you be cele?
lol

funny you, I don't belong to the cele denomination, even though they are part of the body of Christ. The Adamic realm is a terrestrial world, the Angelic realm is the Celestial world. Heaven is a planet just like our earth but much more bigger than our earth in a million fold and there are layers there. It is a location even among the billions of stars in the celestial and that is where God's Kingdom is for the time being. That's what am trying to say

twosquare:
funny you, I don't belong to the cele denomination, even though they are part of the body of Christ. The Adamic realm is a terrestrial world, the Angelic realm is the Celestial world. Heaven is a planet just like our earth but much more bigger than our earth in a million fold and there are layers there. It is a location even among the billions of stars in the celestial and that is where God's Kingdom is for the time being. That's what am trying to say

ok,
i guess it should be several light years away from the milky way, because very soon, these astronomers will discover it

denisbid:

ok,
i guess it should be several light years away from the milky way, because very soon, these astronomers will discover it

No human machine can travel to that heights....even planets in the terrestrial are billions of light years away from earth, how much more the heavenly? The civilization that drives this present world of ours is too weak for such task. We pride in jets and rockets, that's too slow. Perhaps you meditate on this: light travels at a speed of 186,000 miles a second or
700 million miles an hour. And it takes like 3yrs for the light of the closest star to reach here....

Now ask yourself how many seconds does it takes an angel to transverse as far as the 3rd heaven down to earth by just mentioning the name "jesus" for aid? Imagine if it would have taken 3yrs for that angel to travel? Theirs is a superior technology that humans can't reach with the Knowledge of the Tree of Good and Evil.

twosquare:
No human machine can travel to that heights....even planets in the terrestrial are billions of light years away from earth, how much more the heavenly? The civilization that drives this present world of ours is too weak for such task. We pride in jets and rockets, that's too slow. Perhaps you meditate on this: light travels at a speed of 186,000 miles a second or
700 million miles an hour. And it takes like 3yrs for the light of the closest star to reach here....

Now ask yourself how many seconds does it takes an angel to transverse as far as the 3rd heaven down to earth by just mentioning the name "jesus" for aid? Imagine if it would have taken 3yrs for that angel to travel? Theirs is a superior technology that humans can't reach with the Knowledge of the Tree of Good and Evil.

that's true!
the rate these astronomers are discovering new things, discovery channel.
recently, with the help of infra red, certain dark matters where discovered along the course of the solar system.
they concluded that they were remains of planets that have lost their stars and have gone to extinction as a result of the BIG BANG.
Did the bible recorded big bang?
but it seems to be true

flexybobo:

that's true!
the rate these astronomers are discovering new things, discovery channel.
recently, with the help of infra red, certain dark matters where discovered along the course of the solar system.
they concluded that they were remains of planets that have lost their stars and have gone to extinction as a result of the BIG BANG.
Did the bible recorded big bang?
but it seems to be true

Even the heavens shall pass away with a shrill of noise says Peter.

paxonel:
By mentioning HEAVEN,what comes into the modern day christian mind is some spiritual realm beyond the clouds. But is this the bibles view about heaven? Take a look at this
Luke 19:11 says And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God(heaven) should immediately appear.
this shows that people had a wrong view about heaven in those days.
The same thing is applied to this modern day christians.
They fantasized of heaven or some realm beyond the clouds meanwhile, heaven is right inside them.
the implication of this is, they will take a lot of things on earth forgranted and wil never work hard and fight for their right

what is this that Paul meant to be third heaven in
2 Corinthians 12:2, I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN .
Is this third heaven not paradise, a dwelling place of God where we will go after rapture?

flexybobo:

what is this that Paul meant to be third heaven in
2 Corinthians 12:2, I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN .
Is this third heaven not paradise, a dwelling place of God where we will go after rapture?

Firstly, there is nothing like rapture in the bible, a Scripture is mistakened to be rapture by this modern day christians, but that is not what the original writter of that scripture who wrote it more than 2000 years ago intended to say, so our current day christians misinterpreted it.
secondly, some scriptures of the bible are indirect speech, they used fictions to represent true life situations.we are to take the true life situations what the fictions represent and not the fictions themselves. the fictions were meant to describe. one example is the 2 corinthians 12:2 you quoted, saying, such one caught up to the third heaven.
The true representation of THE THIRD HEAVEN their is not somewhere beyond the clouds, it represent JESUS IN YOU, so the kingdom of God is in you, here on earth.
This is what most christians don't know.
Also, all Jesus parables were fictions, including revelation of John, they all represent real life situations on earth. Jesus himself took time to explain what one of his parable represent.
So, we should go for the reprentations and not the fictions

paxonel:

Firstly, there is nothing like rapture in the bible, a Scripture is mistakened to be rapture by this modern day christians, but that is not what the original writter of that scripture who wrote it more than 2000 years ago intended to say, so our current day christians misinterpreted it.
secondly, some scriptures of the bible are indirect speech, they used fictions to represent true life situations.we are to take the true life situations what the fictions represent and not the fictions themselves. the fictions were meant to describe. one example is the 2 corinthians 12:2 you quoted, saying, such one caught up to the third heaven.
The true representation of THE THIRD HEAVEN their is not somewhere beyond the clouds, it represent JESUS IN YOU, so the kingdom of God is in you, here on earth.
This is what most christians don't know.
Also, all Jesus parables were fictions, including revelation of John, they all represent real life situations on earth. Jesus himself took time to explain what one of his parable represent.
So, we should go for the reprentations and not the fictions

i know that the kingdom of God is in us, But that does not dispute the fact that there is paradise above

flexybobo:

i know that the kingdom of God is in us, But that does not dispute the fact that there is paradise above

whether there is paradise above or not. it is of no significance to people on earth. It is not needed by men.God will not give you what you don't need.
what is needed by men on earth is you.
Your presence on earth is more important to God than that paradise above you are seeking.
Infact, Paradise is you.
Jesus says you will be with me in paradise, so you are already with him in paradise the moment he was crucified.
ok, look at the 2 Corinthians you quoted.
2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
do unspeakable unlawful words spoken in heaven? by who? angels?
i thought heaven is not a place for unrighteous and unlawful people, that unlawful words are only spoken on earth because men on earth are not righteous?
since he says unlawful words were spoken in paradise, definitely, that paradise is on this earth, and it is here with us right now

paxonel:

whether there is paradise above or not. it is of no significance to people on earth. It is not needed by men.God will not give you what you don't need.
what is needed by men on earth is you.
Your presence on earth is more important to God than that paradise above you are seeking.
Infact, Paradise is you.
Jesus says you will be with me in paradise, so you are already with him in paradise the moment he was crucified.
ok, look at the 2 Corinthians you quoted.
2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
do unspeakable unlawful words spoken in heaven? by who? angels?
i thought heaven is not a place for unrighteous and unlawful people, that unlawful words are only spoken on earth because men on earth are not righteous?
since he says unlawful words were spoken in paradise, definitely, that paradise is on this earth, and it is here with us right now

so, the third heaven is in us?

flexybobo:

so, the third heaven is in us?

not just in us, we are the third heaven ourselves. i know this truth and became free from the grip of religion and too much church going

paxonel:

not just in us, we are the third heaven ourselves. i know this truth and became free from the grip of religion and too much church going

The apostle John said something about the heavenly city
(Revelation
21:10-27). John witnessed that heaven (the
new earth) possesses the “glory of
God” (Revelation 21:11), the very presence of
God. Because heaven has no night and the
Lord Himself is the light, the sun and moon
are no longer needed (Revelation 22:5).
The city is filled with the brilliance of costly
stones and crystal clear jasper. Heaven has
twelve gates (Revelation 21:12) and twelve
foundations (Revelation 21:14).
He even says it is a place of no tears, no sorrow, Joy everywhere.
No death, and we are dying here on earth?

flexybobo:

The apostle John said something about the heavenly city
(Revelation
21:10-27). John witnessed that heaven (the
new earth) possesses the “glory of
God” (Revelation 21:11), the very presence of
God. Because heaven has no night and the
Lord Himself is the light, the sun and moon
are no longer needed (Revelation 22:5).
The city is filled with the brilliance of costly
stones and crystal clear jasper. Heaven has
twelve gates (Revelation 21:12) and twelve
foundations (Revelation 21:14).
He even says it is a place of no tears, no sorrow, Joy everywhere.
No death, and we are dying here on earth?

that thing you called death is not death, it is sleep.
Death has been defeated.
Have you read down to verse 26?
Revelation 21:26 says And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
The question is, If heaven is beyond the clouds how do the nations of the earth bring their glory into it?
they will climb ladder?
lol

paxonel:

that thing you called death is not death, it is sleep.
Death has been defeated.
Have you read down to verse 26?
Revelation 21:26 says And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
The question is, If heaven is beyond the clouds how do the nations of the earth bring their glory into it?
they will climb ladder?
lol

i am just thinking,
it's ok,

Heaven means Tranquil Society.

flexybobo:

i am just thinking,
it's ok,

You can think over this as well,
we are not here to be raptured, we are here on earth to remain on this earth and make positive impact through love

paxonel:

whether there is paradise above or not. it is of no significance to people on earth. It is not needed by men.God will not give you what you don't need.
what is needed by men on earth is you.
Your presence on earth is more important to God than that paradise above you are seeking.
Infact, Paradise is you.
Jesus says you will be with me in paradise, so you are already with him in paradise the moment he was crucified.
ok, look at the 2 Corinthians you quoted.
2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
do unspeakable unlawful words spoken in heaven? by who? angels?
i thought heaven is not a place for unrighteous and unlawful people, that unlawful words are only spoken on earth because men on earth are not righteous?
since he says unlawful words were spoken in paradise, definitely, that paradise is on this earth, and it is here with us right now

sorry to bring your attention to some things, those words John heard were not lawful to be spoken in the natural, but lawful to hear it in the Spirit. It is not meant for earthly terrain but for those who will grow into boanerges and hear the voice of the 7 thunders. I know what you're trying to preach but you got it wrong here. Not all words are expedient to be spoken in the earth because this world won't be able to take it or bear it (flexybobo). There are some things and secrets that are not lawful for this mouth to utter in the earthly realm, if you want to say it and hear it, come up hither into the realms of YHWH.


The paradise is above in the celestial, just as earth is here too and we can see it. Same with the kingdom of God...it is with Him even though there is a seed of the Kingdom in us all, the kingdom of the earth is in some people too. What makes up the kingdom of God in us are things of the right hand; so that when they are fully formed, the same authority of the Kingdom above will be channelled and extended below. As it is above, so it must be below. That when the Kingdom shall appear with the King, you will be able to reign, just as the Kings of this present age reign in this earthly Kingdom.

The reason for the seed of the Kingdom is to catch, caught and bring down His Kingdom that has been with angels for ages, that it might reside with men.

paxonel:

not just in us, we are the third heaven ourselves. i know this truth and became free from the grip of religion and too much church going

again, we are not the 3rd heaven, those places are locations in the spirit...we are not it and we can't be it...if we are to be anything and am going to say it in a figurative way, we are the World to come...but yet, even the World to come is a location that we come as this present age passes away. The third heaven belongs to another class of angels; even though there the throne of God is. (Flexybobo)

paxonel:

that thing you called death is not death, it is sleep.
Death has been defeated.
Have you read down to verse 26?
Revelation 21:26 says And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
The question is, If heaven is beyond the clouds how do the nations of the earth bring their glory into it?
they will climb ladder?
lol

that place is not even heaven but new Jerusalem. it was said to come out of HEAVEN from God(Rev 21:2). The people will walk by the light of this city and her glory, they(the kings of the earth) will bring their honour and glory into it. So, it is a location, when we talk of Kings, the scriptures here is not talking of Oba of Lagos or Obi of Onitsha or Sultan of Sokoto...kings here are in the pedigree of Enoch, Methuselah, Jared, Abel, Seth, Noah...those are kings, so many kings shall arise in latter days that shall be glorious and crown with honor and shall rule, govern the earth after they have walked by the light of this very city (flexybobo).