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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by nduchucks: 11:54am On Apr 09, 2015
@OP, as Danjuma said, if Ojukwu had been as gracious as GEJ, hundreds of thousands of Igbo lives would have not been lost. Sadly, Ojukwu himself fled in the end.

Awolowo's strategy of starvation via blockade didn't help either. May the God served by Igbos give them the spirit of forgiveness and intelligence.

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by omonnakoda: 11:58am On Apr 09, 2015
nduchucks:
@OP, as Danjuma said, if Ojukwu had been as gracious as GEJ, hundreds of thousands of Igbo lives would have not been lost. Sadly, Ojukwu himself fled in the end.

Awolowo's strategy of starvation via blockade didn't help either. May the God served by Igbos give them the spirit of forgiveness and intelligence.
Sorry but the strategy helped VERY MUCH.It was da bomb

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by nduchucks: 12:00pm On Apr 09, 2015
omonnakoda:
Sorry but the strategy helped VERY MUCH.It was da bomb

How could the starvation of hundreds of thousands of women and children been helpful to anyone? Are you evil?
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by omonnakoda: 12:05pm On Apr 09, 2015
nduchucks:


How could the starvation of hundreds of thousands of women and children been helpful to anyone? Are you evil?
First of all Let us agree that we shall not start abusing each others families.Respect is reciprocal.Let us shun silly personal remarks.
It helped to end the war though the number you state is debatable have you any evidence? Even today economic sanctions are a standard tool against intransigent evil regimes so no biggie.Only a callous leader would see the writing on the wall and persist in folly while his people perish like cockroaches.That highlights how fiendish Ojuiku was

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by IGBOSON1: 12:06pm On Apr 09, 2015
agabaI23:
Find out what US did so many years after Hiroshima.
But you talk about forgiveness if an act has stopped. £20 of all they had in the bank and there is unwritten law to make sure they do not progress. These guys fly in and out of the country but it took an Igbo aviation minister under SS president to have one international airport in the SE. She was attacked in the social media for that and idea was ridiculed. How do you talk about forgiveness when the rest of the country still see you as a rebel and sore thumb? The people inflicted this wound are around and brag with it. Check OBJ statement in Bayelsa recently. Even your president elect. Etc

I don't think about this because to me it means nothing but people should not talk as if the oppressors have stopped

^^^Ignore the fools......and that includes the slimy OP as well!

Check out the motley crew of characters 'weeping' over Ndigbo affairs and proffering suggestions! The Jews may just as well have accepted advice from Hitler, Himmler, Eichmann and Dr Mengele on how to prosper and do well as a people! wink
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by chamboy(m): 12:11pm On Apr 09, 2015
Turbocharged:
What u just mentioned now are not really the problem of the Igbo people. The Igbos has put the civil war behind them and are moving forward. I know their prpblem but due to security reasons I will not say it here.
I would love to knw
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by KingTom(m): 12:17pm On Apr 09, 2015
italo:


You miss the point. I'm not the one who hypocritically complained of name-calling.

Read the previous posts and THINK.

Think like a human being.
Please I asked you a question, can you just give me the answer without resulting to thinly veiled insults. Thank you. smiley

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by nduchucks: 12:23pm On Apr 09, 2015
omonnakoda:

First of all Let us agree that we shall not start abusing each others families.Respect is reciprocal.Let us shun silly personal remarks.
It helped to end the war though the number you state is debatable have you any evidence? Even today economic sanctions are a standard tool against intransigent evil regimes so no biggie.Only a callous leader would see the writing on the wall and persist in folly while his people perish like cockroaches.That highlights how fiendish Ojuiku was

I'm sorry sir but any policy designed to starve innocent women and children, is evil. Period.

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by QuotaSystem: 12:25pm On Apr 09, 2015
abduljabbar4:

You are an idi0t. Quotasystem is one of the most intelligent nairalanders. If not the most intelligent. That's why anytime he posts something, you can't help but to insult

No one presents insults when they have a better argument, so his insolence is permitted. Thanks for the compliments bro, still trying to lift my head from my keyboardddddddddd wink.
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by omonnakoda: 12:25pm On Apr 09, 2015
nduchucks:


I'm sorry sir but any policy designed to starve innocent women and children, is evil. Period.
That i your opinion. The fact is that the food that was being sent to those so called innocent women and children was being appropriated by Biafran Troops That had to STOP. So let us stop the emotionality and deal with reality.It was a war not inter-house sports. War is not meant to be fun so once you go to war you expect a lot of bad things to happen.

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by biafransoul: 12:30pm On Apr 09, 2015
omonnakoda:
Sorry but the strategy helped VERY MUCH.It was da bomb

Stop it!!! Show empathy for once. Imaging losing your children to starvation. Anyway,NEVER AGAIN will it happen in this country again. It belongs to our dark past and we all have to move ahead. One luv

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by IGBOSON1: 12:32pm On Apr 09, 2015
QuotaSystem:


No one presents insults when they have a better argument, so his insolence is permitted. Thanks for the compliments bro, still trying to lift my head from my keyboardddddddddd wink.

^^^Look who's talking! lipsrsealed
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by tmotmo: 12:35pm On Apr 09, 2015
nduchucks:


How could the starvation of hundreds of thousands of women and children been helpful to anyone? Are you evil?
War in its own self is evil and not the commentator

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by QuotaSystem: 12:35pm On Apr 09, 2015
IGBOSON1:


^^^Look who's talking! lipsrsealed

I didn't say anything about when invectives are enveloped within a superior argument. wink
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by Donsida: 12:37pm On Apr 09, 2015
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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by IGBOSON1: 12:39pm On Apr 09, 2015
omonnakoda:
That i your opinion. The fact is that the food that was being sent to those so called innocent women and children was being appropriated by Biafran Troops That had to STOP. So let us stop the emotionality and deal with reality.It was a war not inter-house sports. War is not meant to be fun so once you go to war you expect a lot of bad things to happen.

^^^Why didn't you evil lot suggest this for the North East then? Starve everyone there into submission; level markets, farmlands and stop supplies of food and medicine! Sure women and children would be affected, but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the pesky bokos would be affected as well!

Quick question: If the Nigerian army was all they claim it was, why couldn't they use conventional warfare to defeat the Biafran army after say just 6 to 7 months?
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by IGBOSON1: 12:42pm On Apr 09, 2015
QuotaSystem:


I didn't say anything about when invectives are enveloped within a brilliant argument, and padded with tons of reason wink.

^^^Keep on fooling yaself mate! You've couldn't make a 'brilliant contribution with tons of reason' even if your bigoted life depended on it!
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by QuotaSystem: 12:44pm On Apr 09, 2015
IGBOSON1:


[s]^^^Keep on fooling yaself mate! You've couldn't make a 'brilliant contribution with tons of reason' even if your bigoted life depended on it[/s]!

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by nduchucks: 12:45pm On Apr 09, 2015
tmotmo:

War in its own self is evil and not the commentator

Can you read? Was the commentator called evil or was he asked if he is evil?
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by omonnakoda: 12:46pm On Apr 09, 2015
biafransoul:


Stop it!!! Show empathy for once. Imaging losing your children to starvation. Anyway,NEVER AGAIN will it happen in this country again. It belongs to our dark past and we all have to move ahead. One luv
You see the difference is I am Yoruba and as you know very well we are "Cowards" .When faced with the prospect of our children starving we cooperate with the oppressor and wait for a more auspicious time.Others however,are a braver more manly bunch than we are .They think nothing of having their children starve just to prove to everyone how macho they are .To each his own but then having made their choice I do not understand the subsequent whingeing. I am confused by it all. Men don't cry so what is this all about?.

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by iamrealdeji(m): 1:29pm On Apr 09, 2015
moderatorr1:
PROBLEM OF THE IGBOS
No matter how you look at it, The Igbos have not quite recovered from the devastating loss at the Biafran war.
6 million Igbo people died.

Thats 3 times larger than the number of people in most states.
Thats 2 times larger than the number of voters APC used to Win PDP (in this case considering that most PDP voters came from the south)
These are 6 million men and women that could have by now given birth to lets say (6 million times 3 children each) making it above 20 million extra people in the east. This figure would flawlessly win any election.

These are 6 million men and women who could be senators, governors, professors holding positions all over Nigeria.
Wikipedia put the figure at 2 million. But then, that's still a very huge loss.
The rest of the survivors were thrown into abject poverty when Gowon leveled all the bank accounts of all igbos to only N20 after the war and declared that all properties owned by igbos outside Igboland have been officially abandoned.
It was a fatal blow, the problem of the Igbos is not any of the things most people mention.
So when you see that most igbos are traders, its because of that - no other alternative. Most Igbos you see today are the first persons in their family to make any cash.
When you see Igbos traveling all over the world doing all sorts of businesses, its because they are on a do or die state. No road backwards, no inheritance from the earlier generation, they were almost wiped out.
No matter how you look at it, that war was totally wrong. And should have been stopped after 6 months. Full blown out war was not the best solution at that point.
May take upwards of 100 years to recover. So when you see all these other parts of the society threatening war and violence, detonating IDEs and other shitty stuff, its because they have not seen war. They have not witnessed an entire adult population wiped out and the rest automatically rested to far below UN poverty level. Carrying guns around on camera and shooting a few people is called skirmishes and incidences, its nothing close to war.

But i don't see Igbo presidency in 2019, 2023.
In 2023, an Igbo may successfully emerge as Vice.
Then before 2030. We could have a president.
But who really cares where the president comes from if they perform well.

Source: Dave Ozoalor https://m.facebook.com/daveozoalor
The fault is on Ojukwu that refused to concede defeat,don't blame anyone but Ojukwu

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by iamrealdeji(m): 1:31pm On Apr 09, 2015
QuotaSystem:


This little boy looks like a typical Igbo boy,this is what they look like

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by jpphilips(m): 1:33pm On Apr 09, 2015
agabaI23:
Find out what US did so many years after Hiroshima.
But you talk about forgiveness if an act has stopped. £20 of all they had in the bank and there is unwritten law to make sure they do not progress. These guys fly in and out of the country but it took an Igbo aviation minister under SS president to have one international airport in the SE. She was attacked in the social media for that and idea was ridiculed. How do you talk about forgiveness when the rest of the country still see you as a rebel and sore thumb? The people inflicted this wound are around and brag with it. Check OBJ statement in Bayelsa recently. Even your president elect. Etc

I don't think about this because to me it means nothing but people should not talk as if the oppressors have stopped

I am interested in that part in bold, who is oppressing you? Ibos have not been so favored in project Nigeria but that does not in any way mean oppression, everyone who seems to be favored have one time or the other worked for project Nigeria including the Igbos.


Let me take you to the 90's so we wouldn't degenerate to viewing ourselves as ancient of days, when the Military seized absolute power, who fought for the Democratic Nigeria we are enjoying today?

please correct me if I am wrong because my history may sound rusty, they were mostly southwesterners, immediately after they wrestled power from Abacha, Ekwueme joined the movement for the formation of PDP, and still expected to be handed the presidential ticket, just like that?
Meanwhile, the Northerners adopted OBJ as a compensation for the June 12/pro democracy struggle, Alex Ekwueme ran home to cry wolf how oppressed Igbos were, forgetting that Nnamdi Azikiwe a PAN African got the presidency immediately after the struggle for independence.

Look at APC members in the SouthEast, though I am not a fan of Ngige, but when you hear Igbos who hate him, their reasons are so petty, "he joined a yoruba party" and they have consistently ensured he lost in all his recent elections.

Rochas Okorocha is suffering the same thing in Imo state, the Igbos are drunk in pettiness and bigotry nothing more, I don't see any marginalization any where, why did Igbos not work for APC to brighten their chances?

Victor Umeh's APGA held APGA so dear even when it no longer produces presidential aspirants, what kinda political calculation is that?
Today, they expect APC to be doling out positions to them after the political suicide they committed with a drowning man, whose fate has already been decided by the blood bath in the north.

Look at the Yorubas, even when they are at the fore front of APC, there were still factions working for PDP, either way it goes, it could have been a win win situation for the region.

Look at the SS jonathan they were willing to die for, even when the APC alliance was waxing stronger and tougher, treated like slaves by the so called PDP, yet they stuck with Jonathan.
Read here; https://www.nairaland.com/2166883/president-jonathan-south-east-orchestra

and tell me why any sane Igbo man will ever support Jonathan.

I think it is time for Tinubu to make it clear that Igbos should re elect Okorocha and perhaps another SE APC Governor if they want to be taken seriously by the present APC government.

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by jpphilips(m): 1:39pm On Apr 09, 2015
omonnakoda:
Sorry but the strategy helped VERY MUCH.It was da bomb

It helped Nigeria no doubt but it redirected a military conflict to a Genocide targeting defenceless women and children, any generation can choose to whip up sentiments anyday.
War!! is War!! stick to the rules of engagement, guess Awolowo doesn't know that much.
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by agabaI23(m): 1:40pm On Apr 09, 2015
IGBOSON1:


^^^Ignore the fools......and that includes the slimy OP as well!

Check out the motley crew of characters 'weeping' over Ndigbo affairs and proffering suggestions! The Jews may just as well have accepted advice from Hitler, Himmler, Eichmann and Dr Mengele on how to prosper and do well as a people! wink
lol
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by dustmalik(m): 1:52pm On Apr 09, 2015
iamrealdeji:

This little boy looks like a typical Igbo boy,this is what they look like
Lol.. I believe, that is the whole point of the picture.

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by illiad: 1:56pm On Apr 09, 2015
asala1:


If so why the bitterness and Inferiority complex. Even as Obama is the president of US, African-Americans are still bitter and feel inferior. All those anger is just a manifestation of inferiority complex.

You guys are just hurting no one really cares. You guys need to move on.

It is the height of absurdity to say or think Igbos feel inferior. Interior to who please? Yorubas or Hausas?

Lwkmd

FYI pls the average igbo man knows he/she is first before any other. Why else do you people think were proud and arrogant. Its simply because we are always confident of ourselves.
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by jpphilips(m): 1:57pm On Apr 09, 2015
omonnakoda:

First of all Let us agree that we shall not start abusing each others families.Respect is reciprocal.Let us shun silly personal remarks.
It helped to end the war though the number you state is debatable have you any evidence? Even today economic sanctions are a standard tool against intransigent evil regimes so no biggie.Only a callous leader would see the writing on the wall and persist in folly while his people perish like cockroaches.That highlights how fiendish Ojuiku was

Yes Ojukwu messed up big time, so what is your point? you still think the blockade is justified? Even Israel still ration supplies into Gaza but not completely cutting them off.
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by agabaI23(m): 1:59pm On Apr 09, 2015
jpphilips:


I am interested in that part in bold, who is oppressing you? Ibos have not been so favored in project Nigeria but that does not in any way mean oppression, everyone who seems to be favored have one time or the other worked for project Nigeria including the Igbos.


Let me take you to the 90's so we wouldn't degenerate to viewing ourselves as ancient of days, when the Military seized absolute power, who fought for the Democratic Nigeria we are enjoying today?

please correct me if I am wrong because my history may sound rusty, they were mostly southwesterners, immediately after they wrestled power from Abacha, Ekwueme joined the movement for the formation of PDP, and still expected to be handed the presidential ticket, just like that?
Meanwhile, the Northerners adopted OBJ as a compensation for the June 12/pro democracy struggle, Alex Ekwueme ran home to cry wolf how oppressed Igbos were, forgetting that Nnamdi Azikiwe a PAN African got the presidency immediately after the struggle for independence.

Look at APC members in the SouthEast, though I am not a fan of Ngige, but when you hear Igbos who hate him, their reasons are so petty, "he joined a yoruba party" and they have consistently ensured he lost in all his recent elections.

Rochas Okorocha is suffering the same thing in Imo state, the Igbos are drunk in pettiness and bigotry nothing more, I don't see any marginalization any where, why did Igbos not work for APC to brighten their chances?

Victor Umeh's APGA held APGA so dear even when it no longer produces presidential aspirants, what kinda political calculation is that?
Today, they expect APC to be doling out positions to them after the political suicide they committed with a drowning man, whose fate has already been decided by the blood bath in the north.

Look at the Yorubas, even when they are at the fore front of APC, there were still factions working for PDP, either way it goes, it could have been a win win situation for the region.

Look at the SS jonathan they were willing to die for, even when the APC alliance was waxing stronger and tougher, treated like slaves by the so called PDP, yet they stuck with Jonathan.
Read here; https://www.nairaland.com/2166883/president-jonathan-south-east-orchestra

and tell me why any sane Igbo man will ever support Jonathan.

I think it is time for Tinubu to make it clear that Igbos should re elect Okorocha and perhaps another SE APC Governor if they want to be taken seriously by the present APC government.
Bro kulu temper
1. You said "Ígbos have not been favoured in federal projects" and you said again down in your argument "I don't see any maginalisation anywhere"

This is the definition of maginalisation "The process whereby something or someone is pushed to the edge of a group and accorded lesser importance. This is predominantly a social phenomenon by which a minority or sub-group is excluded, and their needs or desires ignored".

Could this be in line with principle of giving only GBP 20 to all Igbos not minding how much they had as bank balance?

2. You want the SEasterners to shift with power? That is not politics. Politics is about ideology and principles. It is not harlotry.
I supported GEJ and I will still support him against Buhari any day because I know what he has done not because he is Igbo or from the SS. He stands for the economic liberation all Nigerians need.

i. GEJ failed because the US and the UK wanted him out,
ii. the north wanted power back such that even PDP governors in the North compromised. They either did nothing or rigged for Buhari in the North
iii. Jega was mandated to deliver Buhari by the North and the US. So he did what he had to do to disenfranchise GEJ's favoured area. He refused to authorise the use of mannual voting till late while my friend in the North told me they had no problem. They used manual accreditation from the start.

I really do not want to go into this bro.

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by MalcoImX: 2:01pm On Apr 09, 2015
And that soldier just looked at the children and passed. Wasn't there anything he could do to help?
Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by iamrealdeji(m): 2:06pm On Apr 09, 2015
dustmalik:

Lol.. I believe, that is the whole point of the picture.
Lmao,is it true that a gorilla slept with their ancestor mother that led to Ibo people looking this weird? And to them they're the best thing since sliced bread,well,its good to think one's tribe is the best,cutest,most intelligent,etc,all I can just say is that they're suffering from self esteem issue,thats why they love to hype themselves

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Re: [picture] Here Is The Real Problem Of The Igbos by illiad: 2:09pm On Apr 09, 2015
belabela:


Nice one.

First the calculation will only be true if both men and women give birth and excludes the possibility that people die from other causes apart from war. A reasonable estimate will be 2 million.

The interesting thing is that it is only in the South West of Nigeria that Igbos properties were not regarded as abandoned properties. Yorubas refused to follow that decree. Yes in the north and portharcourt especially most properties were claimed by locals as abandoned properties.

That is why I find it funny today when the Igbos in the South east are telling their kinsmen in Lagos to declare war over Obas comments as if they will win it.

Igbos could have got the chance if they played their politics well. All other major opposition parties joined APC except the "real" APGA. And now Igbos will not be senate president or even speaker of the house of reps. It's more like political suicide. Tact and planning is key to winning a battle. Just rushing to war because you feel aggrieved isn't going to solve any problem.

Now Igbos are about to marginalise themselves in Lagos. Tinubu started the appointment of non-indegenes to key positions in Lagos, many Igbos have benefited. Now Agbaje is promising Igbos that they will have a King of equal staus to the Oba of lagos and they seem to have swallowed another lie.

if APC wins how will Igbokwe be able to negotiate more things for Igbos when they are currently seen as Agabje backers. Igbos need to learn from history

I don't know where exactly you people think from, but I suspect it must be from your anus.

So we should all have joined apc?
Why not ask the national assembly to draft a resolution on making nigeria a one party state. Yorubas keep amazing me.

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